As I reread the book, knowing the ending, I am finding a surprising amount of death clues. For instance, in POA Trelawney said that when a group of 13 gathers, the first to leave would be the first to die. In DH, after Mad-Eyes death, a group of 13 gathers at the Burrow to drink butterbeer, Lupin "drowns" his and leaves first to find Mad-Eyes body. He was the first of the 13 to die. Fred leaves second, he is the second to die. Anyone notice a pattern?

Has anyone else spotted some death clues???????????????????????????????????????????????

That is very interesting...

I can't believe you thought of that! I would never have thought of that... I think JK may have done that on purpose with Lupin, but I don't think it matters about Fred, since he wasn't first up, I think I will re-read and try and find some clues about Moody and Fred

I would have never picked that up! I guess Trelawney knew her stuff after all haha.
It does make sense though. I don't even remember that particular part in PoA.


I think it does matter about Fred. I may be wrong though.

hey ! so i was watching the third movie the other day and i was thinking about what trewlawney says to harry when she gets her 'vision'
"HE WILL RETURN TONIGHT. TONIGHT HE WHO BETRAYED HIS FRIENDS, WHOSE HEART ROTS WITH MURDER SHALL BREAK FREE. INNOCENT BLOOD SHALL BE SPILT AND SERVANT AND MASTER SHALL BE REUNITED ONCE MORE..."
(PoA movie)


and although it does make sense for the third movie the "he will return tonight" part

the "innocent blood shall be spilt and servant and master shall be united once more"
(now this i guess is a bit of a stretch ) that part could also be said for cedric diggory in GOF

after remus made harry the godfather of his son, i was definitely certain that he will be gone before the end of the book. actually at the beginning of the book there were a lot of signs already that he will not last. it's sad that all of the marauders were gone by the end of the series.

I am amazed. How did you think of that? Maybe J.k. rowling put it like purposely, or maybe not.
I also thought it was sad that at the end of the series all the marauders die. All of them helped harry someway too before they died.

Also, rereading the series Harry and Ron and a few other characters say little comments and more than once they've come true.

None come to mind at the moment but i know for a fact there's a few in PoA and GoF.

Interesting about the prediction with Trawlenly (Sp?) i never would have picked up on that!

All Marauders Dead!

-ginny

well actually, Lupin wasn't originally supposed to die. he was one of the two characters who died in the place of Arthur Weasely (he was the one who got the reprieve, he was supposed to die in the 5th book from the snake, but jkr couldnt bring herself to kill him so she just had him hurt badly), so any death clues about lupin from book 1-6 are coincidences.The stuff from book 7 however...yeah, im pretty sure JKR put the table thing in there on purpose.

Wow Felix 2090 I have no idea who you realized that. I don't think anything Trelawny said stuck to me. But next time I read it, I'm going to pay attention and look for death clues.

But I'm pretty sure JkR put that in there on purpose. But it wouldn't matter that Fred left second, I don't think.

i knew one of the twins was going to die from mrs weasleys boggart when there in headquaters...harry finds her crying and the boggart changes to every member of the family + harry dead but it only changes to one of the twins so i kind of expected one of them to die from this

Well, I don't know if it's worth much, but I heard once when I was little that the guy who shows pictures of his wife and kids before a battle is always the one that dies right after that, and that was true for Lupin. ( )

That's weird! The picture thing. Creepy! You think JK was thinking of that?
And C.P, I never really thought of that. Did it only show one twin? That's really smart.

wow...nice findings...

i can only think of the 'last laugh' connection...if i am not mistaken, sirius and bellatrix both were laughing before their deaths, right?

and then Fred Weasley died, having laughed to Percy's (of all ppl) joke.

yeah i know it's not a clue, but i'm just stating it out hehe

Not entirely sure, but I think that Fred's death hint came when George's ear was cursed off.
Also, in book 5, the *Crack* Dead twins, sort of gave it away as well. Everyone was always associating Fred and George together, one of them had to go.

I also knew that when Arthur was bitten by the snake and did not die, that he would not die in the series. I disagree, If Arthur was given a reprieve and Lupin and Tonks were to take his place, then clues about Lupins death would have come as early as book 5, no?

Not that this is a death clue or anything (or maybe it is )I noticed that all the Marauders died in reverse order: Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot, and Prongs. James (Prongs) died first, obviously, when Voldemort was trying to kill Harry as a child. Sirius (Padfoot) died second, in the 5th book through the veil. Peter (Wormtail) died third, killing himself with his silver hand in the Malfoy manor, and Lupin (Moony) died fourth, in the battle of Hogwarts. Yes, i know that Lupin wasnt originally gunna die, but either way, he would have died last! I personally find this interesting, and a little weird, but awesome!! Wat do you guys think? It's sad that they are gone

LONG LIVE THE MARAUDER'S!!! (minus Peter lol) (jk) (maybe)

P.S. i also find it funny that Lupin, who was a werewolf and had to struggle with that...erm... for lack of a better word..."problem" was the one who lived the longest out of all his perfectly "normal" healthy friends!

Actually, re-reading DH, I discovered that Kingsley was the first to leave out of the thirteen gatherers. He lived, didn't he? I think.

I see what your saying slytherin_locket, but Kingsley left before they drank the firewhisky. He said "I should have been at Downing Street an hour ago" and disapparated before they drank the firewhisky. Although Lupin mentioned Kingsley before he left, so I see what you meant.

By the way, I made a mistake. As I was rereading the book again, I discovered that Bill was the second to leave, not Fred, meaning the second to leave doesn't matter, because Bill lived through the book.

JKR would of had to plan all of this out very carefully. To make sure that things she said in one book wouldnt mess it up in the next one. I never noticed that Trelawny pointed that out,jeez,you have a good eye. I cant pick out anymore clues,like ones about why or when Tonks dies,hmm..

Oooh, creepy! As absolutely freaking mortified I am at the number of deaths (poor Lupin! What the...!), the whole clue thing is still pretty cool. I think some of those 'hints' were deliberate, but maybe she didn't really think of actively assembling them into some kind of followable pattern. (Except with the Marauders, that's just...whoa...).

This ties in with what many other people have said. Throughout the series, the twins are sometimes referred to separately, but a time where you can really tell this is when they do "Potterwatch." When they listened to it, they could immediately tell that it was Fred, and not George, that was reporting. This foreshadowed the event of one of the twins being left without the other.

C.P said before that a hint for the death of fred was the boggart mrs weasley saw and it was just one twin...but thats not true...it definetly says "Crack. Dead twins."
so it isnt just one of them she sees but both
or did you mean something else?
if so I am sorry and forget about my post

JKR seems to have a habit of using this kind of foreshadowing...

In book four, Mr. Diggory says to his son (just before he enters the third task and, eventually, dies), "That's something to tell your grandchildren, Ced!" Of course, we all know Cedric's fate later on.

And in book seven, this is evident too. Fred says once, during the wedding: "When I get married, I'm not going to put up with all this rubbish..." or something like that. And of course we find out later on that Fred's never going to get married, because he dies later.

oh my goooosh
you are absolutely right! her main stylistic device for letting somebody die is the using of objective irony!!! How didnt i notice that?
its full of it Lol...and thinking of it...In POA Sirius asks Harry to live with him what will never happen as well as we know because he dies before he can even regain his good reputation...
it is actually so strinking that I want to kick myself right now because I didnt notice!!!
thanks a tons writer101 I seriously owe you

I think all these clues are cool. I didn't really notice how before some characters die they make a comment about the future. That was good writer101. I also think that the table thing might have been a foreshadow to a future event, but at the table we are not sure who stands up first, Harry or Ron. Though we can probably assume it was Harry since he does die, well kinda in DH. But with the Burrow scene I think she leaves it open again because it just says in the book that "Lupin and Bill said goodbye and left." It doesn't actually say which one exited first. But the specific mention of thirteen glasses on the previous page tells you it has to mean something. I think she may have left them open for debate to give her some leeway when writing the story. She could change the one who dies or make both of them die if she wanted.

Wow writer101, I can't believe you noticed that!! I never realized that about the future, but now that I think about it, it's true!!!!! When Sirius planned to live with Harry, when Lupin made Harry the godfather of Teddy, what Cedric's dad tells Cedric, all are very true!!! I can't think of a good one right now, but I'm sure I'll come up with something!

Whoa, just whoa. Man I would enver have thought of that! Your a genius lol. I guess looking back things will start coming together ae. Man I was so gutted when I ended the book. Simply because that meant there were going to be no more Harry Potter books, ever!

This is such a great topic; it's really interesting when you fine something you never realised before and it just fits. There are quite a few about Sirius (very good ones too, you'll kick for not noticing them before) but I don't know if I'm allowed to say them because it wasn't me who noticed them, and i got them from other websites.
But, if you think about the things Trelawney has said - and we've just dismissed them as being utter rubbish - she does predict a lot of stuff: Hermione leaving, Lavender's rabbit dying, and Neville breaking his plate etc. The one that sticks out though, is in Half-Blood Prince where she's reading her tarot cards and she mentions calamity and disaster in the LIGHTENING STRUCK TOWER where Dumbledore dies, only a few chapters later.

How 'bout this: I noticed it after Sirius died, and I wondered what would happen:
the Marauders died in backwards order... instead of Moony Wormtail Padfoot Prongs, it was Prongs first, then Padfoot then Wormtail and then Moony.
Also--in OoP when Arthur was in St Mungo's, the location of his room was this: Creature (induced injuries), Dangerous (bites), Dai (Llywn Ward), Serious (injury)...something like that, I might have messed up where it has injury or bites, but it doesn't matter, because take the words and spell them wrong... Kreacher Dangerous, Die Sirius!
how 'bout that?

Yeah, I think we had already discussed the Marauder thing.

WOW! I can't believe that you thought of that. It's very clever to think about the little details like that. It makes you wonder if that one was intentional, because both things are revealed in that same book, Kreacher is ''Dangerous" and Sirius dies.

oh man thats really a very good theory 17ginny17
I think its possible that Rowling did that on purpose...but its definetly a big deal to figure that out...wow..
and yes it was very good done by Rowling to give us the impression that Trelawney is actually rubbish in her job and a not very skilled seer...we all thought..oh well whatever she says has just a comical effect thats it...then DD said she had just made 2 right prophecies...so we thought whenever she is in trance she is really seeing...so we didnt really take her serious apart from that...therefore we missed also death clues made by her...the lightening struck tower...
(and by the way: she told Lavender to be aware of a red haired man-> Ron and her not so nice ending relation ship with him..)

yes that's the one i was unsure of whether I'm allowed to say - I've read it on other websites , and i believe it was deliberate. Since you've mentioned it I'll just say the other one.

It wasn't me who noticed it though, and technically it's not a death clue , but I thought I'd add it anyway. Sirius tells Harry at the end of POA that his vault number is 711, which in the British version of OOTP is the page number of when Sirius dies.

I'm sure there are others, I'll write down more when i think of it.

Now, I think this is right but im not sure: In the 5th one Fred says somthing like "Percy wouldn't know a joke if it danced naked infront of him wearing Mrs. Blacks teacozy." (IM not sure if it is Mrs. Black and Im not sure if it's the 5th one but I'll check) And then, when he dies Percy is joking and Fred is laughing at the joke...

Well, I think thats ironic. I mean, Fred died doing the thing that he said could never happen, that's just weird.

As for the whole tea cozy thing, you're right, it was the 5th one. But I think it was actually Dobby's tea cozy, because he had been getting all of those clothes/hats that Hermione was using to free the house elves. I'm not sure though.

What are you talking about? Neither Remus nor Tonks are dead They're just sleeping!



Well while I live in denial I have to say one thing "Do NOT give your kid a friggin' godfather!!! You're dooming yourself" obviously.

OH MY GOD! you guys could so work for CSI! this whole covo is really reminding me of Final Destintions...theres someone walking behind you....creepy!.
i would never, in a million years had figures that out 17ginny17. Congrats to you and Felix2090 for being so smart and observive!
but do you think its all coincinedence or JK reallt thought it through THAT much?

SOme of these things are so well thought out. I found clues at the end of the 6th book to show DD isn't dead, but they turned out wrong. I knew that ALl the marauders were going to die after Sirius went, because of the Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs backwards thing (Prongs died first, Padfoot second, so on, so forth).

I honestly am not one of the people that notices those things, but it thats what happened then thats what heppened. I think that if she did make nay clues she made them very discreet. Like you could only find them if you really payed attention.

--Fleur

wow that is realy interesting i didnt know that you realy found such a good clue i think thats good that lol well done

I always knew Lupin was going to die, because I was sure that Wormtail was going to die to fulfill his life-debt to Harry, and as it turned out, I was right. If Wormtail died, I figured it would make sense if all four Marauders died.

I also figured that if Lupin died, Tonks would probably die too. I was right.

I knew Snape was going to die. I was sure he was on Dumbledore's side for months before DH was released, and I was sure that his death would be linked to that.

The deaths which surprised me most, however, were Dobby and Fred. Dobby wasn't as huge of a surprise as the other, because we all have always known that Dobby would do anything for Harry. But Fred surprised me. I had actually said for a long time that I thought that one of the twins was the least likely among the Weasleys to die, but I knew at least one of the Weasleys would. I was betting on Arthur or Percy.

I don't know if anyone brought up this point already because I didn't have time to read through all of the posts but after reading the first one about Trelawny's table prediction I wondered how many people were sitting at the table in Gimmauld Place the night Sirius and Molly fought about how much to tell Harry? Technically Sirius was the first to rise (out of anger) but then Lupin said "Sirius sit down!" Then we know of course Sirius died by the end of the book.