Hello everyone. I'd like to welcome you all to my new society. It has been approved by MODS i promise you.

Here is where we will get a society on the Death eaters and our views on them and our opinons will be discussed and expresed here.

Here are the rules. - (That are generally next to the MODS rules.)

We will be talking in a safe environment. It's for supporters of the Death eaters only! In other words thosse who are willing to discuss the Death eaters traits in a good and calm way. And thosse that are willing to show genuine intrest to the topic. So they'll be no " I hate Bellatrix." etc. It's just our safe views on them.
An also quite important. While we acknowledge that Snape was a death eater. Discussion of him will be limited here as to the fact. There is allready S.O.S.S, to discuss Snape. We don't want it dipping it into to much Snape terriotory. All though discussion on him isn't exactly band we are keeping it limited. And we all know politeness. And if you want to join D.A.R.N. Just put a little thing about it in your signature please. Just so we can identify members easier.

So now down to bussiness...

Death Eaters and Voldemort. There the villians of the HP series and i beleive they deserve some credit. For after all no villains no story. So to start off i'll ask 3 questions.

In your opinon.

Which Death Eater do you like the description of. Which one in your eyes seems the most to be feared among the wizarding community. By this i don't mean Voldemort strictly the Death eaters.

If Voldemort had friends which Death Eater/s. Who would he become closer to?

Out of all the Death Eaters crimes which you can remember which one do you think is the worst? And how do you think they can make up for what they did? Or is there no way at all?


Here is an list of all the Death Eaters. If there are more please do tell me.

Avery,
Regulus Black, Antonin Dolohov, Bellatrix Lestrange, Lucius Malfoy,
Alecto Carrow, Gibbon, Rabastan Lestrange, Mulciber,
Amycus Carrow, Goyle Sr, Rodolphus Lestrange,Nott Sr,
Crabbe Sr, Jugson, Walden Macnair, Peter Pettigrew,
Barty Crouch Junior,Igor Karkaroff, Draco Malfoy Augustus Rookwood,

Evan Rosier, Travers,
Thorfinn Rowle, Yaxley,
Selwyn. Wilkes,
Severus Snape.

So i'll answer my questions when i've seen some of your replies. Please do enjoy.

Also beware of Deathly Hallows SPOILERS.

And one post is all it takes to join as a member!

Hello Seriouslysirius,
I am welcoming myself as the very first member.
Glad that I was the first to post in here. Didn’t realize that there was no such society exists yet.

Which Death Eater do you like the description of. Which one in your eyes seems the most to be feared among the wizarding community.

Of course none other than Bellatrix. As she is a Black, she has the beauty and glamour, though Azkaban doesn’t suit her. I especially like the heavily lidded eye, and her maniac laugh when torturing her victims.

If Voldemort had friends which Death Eater/s. Who would he become closer to?

None as I believe he will trust no one but himself. But I believe he gave some credits as to keeping guard of one of his horcrux like the cup of Hufflepuff to Bellatrix though I believe that she doesn’t know to what extent the cup is and later with the safeguarding of the Gryffindor Sword.

of all the Death Eaters crimes which you can remember which one do you think is the worst? And how do you think they can make up for what they did? Or is there no way at all?

All I can remember is the Cruciatus curse of Bellatrix torturing Hermione, as it was in the latest book, but wouldn’t say it the worst. As for the following questions I’ll answer them the next time.

Welcome annesches!! I agree with you on some many points.

So i'll answer my own questions now.

Which Death Eater do you like the description of. Which one in your eyes seems the most to be feared among the wizarding community.

I at first would say Bellatrix as you state annesches the heavily lidded eyes. The darknees about her. She is defiently like an assasian. Sort like a bad version of " Elektra." Thats a film and Elektra is an assasian. But she has a good heart. Not like Bellatrix she kills and tortures for the fun of it.
But i suppose there is always Fenir Greyback. Though he isn't an offical death Eater. I mark him one. As he is as evil as any other death eater. Stationing himself next to people to bite them to become a werewolf. It's foul really. As Lupin said.
" I even felt pity for him, thinking that he had no control, knowing by then how it felt to transform. But Greyback is not like that." I think it's a horrible thoguht and how somone could be so cruel.

So if anyone disagees with me about the whole Fenrir coudl be calssed as a Death Eater thing please do let me know.

If Voldemort had friends which Death Eater/s. Who would he become closer to?

We are asuming he had friends. Which of course enver happened. Well i would say what you said annesches Bellatrix and her husband. As he trusted them with the cup. So i would say he woulb be more closer to them. As Bellatrix shares the evil connection that Voldemort so has.

of all the Death Eaters crimes which you can remember which one do you think is the worst? And how do you think they can make up for what they did? Or is there no way at all?

I think one of the worst. Was the torture of Frank and Alice Longbottom. It was an act of hatred that drove the poor couple into a sort of state of living death. It ripped the Longbottom family apart. And i beleive that nothing can make up for what they did.

As I’ve already said, Seriouslysirius, what a fantastic idea for a thread! Personally, being a pacifist, I’m not a supporter of the Death Eaters, neither of the Dark Arts. But on the other hand, I must admit that these are fascinating characters and matters. In the words of Mr. Ollivander:

And this basically summaries my opinion of the Dark Arts.

Which Death Eater do you like the description of. Which one in your eyes seems the most to be feared among the wizarding community.
Are we talking here about physical description? If so, then Lucius Malfoy and Severus Snape. No, wait, in the reversed order. I know, they are complete opposites in their appearance, but both of them are so much distinguished and I would say very attractive men.

As for the second question, again, I will say Severus, as he is known to be a very powerful wizard and people actually think that he is a Death Eater and thus are afraid of him accordingly.

If Voldemort had friends which Death Eater/s. Who would he become closer to?
I agree with annesches that Bellatrix was definitely trusted once by the Dark Lord, but then so was Lucius with another Horcrux – the diary. I think the Dark Lord ever becoming a friend with any of his followers is not a question of loyalty but of equality. And though I’m sure the Dark Lord never sees anyone as his equal, I think Severus can be seen as close to being the Dark Lord's equal as possible; at least in the Dark Lord's eyes. I think the Dark Lord is obsessed with power and knowledge that leads to getting this power. And he perceives Severus as powerful and also possessing great knowledge, thus I can imagine the two of them become close.

Oh, poor Severus actually. He was a Death Eater such a long time ago and hasn’t been one ever since, and still, I’m talking about him in such a context. Really, shame on me.

Of all the Death Eaters crimes which you can remember which one do you think is the worst?
I would say all of their crimes are equally evil and despicable. But if I were to choose one, I remember being particularly outraged by their behavior at the Quidditch World Cup. I think it is first such a demonstration of their actions. What was particularly horrible about it was that they performed the deeds on Muggles and only for the pure fun of it.

And how do you think they can make up for what they did? Or is there no way at all?
On this point I will be rather radical and say that there is no way at all, in my opinion. Majority of them have already had their chances for redemption, right when the first war ended. But they haven’t learnt anything from their experience and at the very next opportunity joined the Dark Lord again. Thus I think, sad as it is, Azkaban is the only solution.

And just a simple PS: is Peter Pettigrew actually a real Death Eater? I know there is an independent forum on this matter, but still, do we count him in, considering his cowardice? I’m not sure if the Dark Lord would brand him with the mark.

I’m so glad this thread exists as I have the impression that we actually do not learn much about the Death Eaters from the novels, or at least I don’t remember much, so I’m looking forward to learning new things here.

I wish you good luck with the club, Dan, and I’m so much eager for other people’s comments.

Edit: As for counting Fenrir Greyback among the Death Eaters, I'm not quite sure about that, Dan. We know that apart from werewolves there were also various other creatures fighting for the Dark Lord's side, such as Inferi, giants and others. But this fact doesn’t make Death Eaters out of them, so I don’t think Fenrir Greyback can be one either. Though I totally agree with you on the point that he is downright evil.

I think there are certain criteria that distinguish a witch or wizard as a Death Eater. And we can even discuss these as some of our next questions, (which would be much interesting; or even how a person become a Death Eater etc.). I would say that primarily the person must be a witch/wizard and not any other creature. Although the Dark Lord uses other creatures to fight for him, the Death Eaters are a sort of elite into which he wouldn't count any, in his eyes, inferior beings. And second, I think a Death Eater is branded by the Dark Mark. So in other words, I think Fenrir Greyback is not a Death Eater. Which doesn't change anything about him being totally evil. How does that sound?

~Jana

Welcome Potions Mistress.

Now on the matter of Peter Pettigrew.



He is branded with the mark as he used Peters Dark mark, to summon thosse Death eaters in the graveyard. In the Goblet of fire. He is offically a Death Eater but not a very good one. I suppose this in sense is a good think. One less threat for Harry eh.

I to am not fanatic about the Dark arts but like you say there are much things to be learnt about them.

And Fenrir yes he isn't an offical death eater. AI agree with you that he can't offically be counted as one. But i suppose for the purposes of the discussion you can say that he was the closest to being a Death eater than an actual Death eater. If that makes sense. I mean he was more of like a liutenant to the death eaters. So i suppose Fenrir is not going to be on the list. Ahh but if i do remember now he does wear Death eater robes. He just doesn't have the mark.

I look forward to more people joining up. Then we can get into bigger discusions.

Hi Dan, I see people are queueing up to join you society!

Anyway, I thought it only fair of me to support you with your thread. I have to admit that I agree with Jana. I don't agree with the whole Death Eater way of life, but they are fascinating characters and because of that I will join in the discussion.

Which Death Eater do you like the description of. Which one in your eyes seems the most to be feared among the wizarding community. By this i don't mean Voldemort strictly the Death eaters.

Up until Voldemort disappeared, pressumed to be destroyed, I doubt that any Death Eater was feared or singled out as feared any more than another. But with his return, I expect anyone of them showing their faces on the street would have put the fear of God into the wizarding community and because of this, I'm going to go along with Lucius Malfoy no make that Bellatrix no, maybe who was the big blond one, he seemed pretty intimidating, but..oh, I can't choose!lol!

If Voldemort had friends which Death Eater/s. Who would he become closer to?

I would think probably Lucius. He is quite a cold self centred chap, they could talk about themselves to each other ! Can you imagine the converstaion..."No I'm the most concieted and arrogant"...."NO, I think you'll find it's me"!



Out of all the Death Eaters crimes which you can remember which one do you think is the worst? And how do you think they can make up for what they did? Or is there no way at all?

The most heinous of crimes that sticks out is the torture of the Longbottoms. The fact that the Lestranges allowed them to live after to going through all that is the worst thing. I think they'd have rather died.

The muggle bating at the Quidditch World Cup comes in a close second though.

I expect there is someone out there kind enough to forgive, but with the Lestranges crimes...no remorse, no forgiveness!



Absolutely, one such thing to me would be a degree of subservience in the persons personality. That must be something that Voldemort would easily recognise in his 'recruits'. Someone like Greyback however, would never succumb totally to another master, he'd only hang around to see what was in it for him.

But I digress, That could spark a whole off-topic converstaion and I don't want that to happen. So, ignore me peeps and answer the questions!

Criteria to become a Death Eater:
The first and foremost rule must be a pureblood witch/wizard, although the Dark Lord himself is not. They of course should be fascinated in the dark arts and in Lord Voldemort himself. Then they must be of value to Voldemort. Like Pettrigrew, even he seems to be of no value but still Voldemort broke into the Fidelius Charm as he was the secret keeper, then he was also the one that help Voldemort return to his body though reluctantly.

As for Fenrir Greyback,
I think that he was not branded the dark mark because he is a werewolf. Voldemort only uses him to command the werewolves to become his allies, because he needed them to fight for him and not against him. Voldemort uses them to terrorized wizards, but he will never let them be part of his death eaters circle.

Any thoughts?

This intresting guys. Keep it up. And feel free to ask questions yourselfs.

Criteria to become a Death Eater

Of course first things first. You have to like the dark arts and i suppose admire Voldemort. You have to be pure blood or pretend your pure blood. They have to please Lord Voldemort. They would have to give Voldemort information. For we know from all the books he values that highly. Quite obviously the Dark mark. Which we have now ruled out Fenrir Greyback as he does not have one.

I am always wondering. As you do in gangs. We've all heard of thosse stories out there. Of people being forced to do something to join a gang.

So...

What do we think Voldemort would ask a willing Death Eater to do for an initation?

Be imaginative with that question but don't delve into anything that might upset people.

Hey Dan!!! great idea, I hope this doesn't mean you wont have any time to post in WAW

As Elaine said, I don't support the death eater's methods at all, but the characters themselves are very interesting.. if not exactly likable

Which Death Eater do you like the description of. Which one in your eyes seems the most to be feared among the wizarding community.
I of course love the description of Bellatrix.. She has the insanity.. a huge contrast with the beauty and glamour.. she seems to have no sane reason for doing things, yet she still does them with surprising efficiency and effectiveness.
She was feared because of her insane streak.. she didn't need a reason to kill you, and she would certainly enjoy it. She's not a nice person... I detest people that have no reason for doing what they do, and unnecessary violence? nope. So saying she's not nice is a huge understatement.. but she is still a great character- described perfectly!
Severus Snape would of course be feared, though in a very different way to Bellatrix. People feared her for her outright cruelty, people feared Severus because they believed he was a traitor.. they believed he had wriggled his way to Dumbledore's right hand, and was slowly but surely killing off those that would oppose Voldemort.
Complete gobbledygook, of course, but he was feared.
As was Lucius Malfoy. How could I not mention him. He always did strike me as a strange one... was he loyal to Voldemort? or was he only out for himself?
He was feared by those who knew what he was capable of.. which i suppose would be mainly death eaters and people that had displeased him.
I have no doubt that 'underground', away from day-to-day life, he was extremely feared.
Malfoy was powerful, ruthless and completely self obsessed.
He was also feared by those who knew that he put the 'corrupt' in Government People who knew what he was doing, but could not act against him, for fear of the entire Ministry tumbling down on them.. yes, he was feared.

If Voldemort had friends which Death Eater/s. Who would he become closer to?
Yes.. he didn't have friends did he.. 'friends', suggests those of equal status.. nobody could possibly be equal to Voldemort.. however.. for argument's sake, he would probably spend more time with Bellatrix and Lucius- they were his most trusted death eaters (Severus is arguable, of course) and they would bow down at his feet, offering him praise and the likes, until he got bored of it, and they rushed off with apologetic bows...

hehe, however hilarious that would be... I have a feeling one of them would end up dead if that happened.. and It wouldn't be Voldemort

of all the Death Eaters crimes which you can remember which one do you think is the worst? And how do you think they can make up for what they did? Or is there no way at all?
I definitely agree with the Lestranges torturing the Longbottoms being the worst that we know of, though don't forget, I'm sure the death eaters were capable of much worse than JK wrote about. Anyway.. Pain... especially the pain of seeing your loved one tortured alongside you, can be so much more unbearable than death. That is why I think that sometimes the Imperious and Cruciatus curses can be so much worse than the killing curse.
As for redemption.. I think It depends on the individual. The Lestranges knew what they were doing was evil, and they did it anyway, more than that, they enjoyed it.
That pair were beyond redemption.
however.. some people.. who were brainwashed into doing what they did, and if given an alternative would chose to stop.. I think they can redeem themselves. I know ignorance is no excuse, I'm certainly not making excuses for them.. just separating them from the truly evil.


-A werewolf is like a halfblood.. a creature not of one 'race' but not of another. They are dirty, disgusting creatures. To be destroyed if possible.- These were Voldemort's thoughts. Don't forget, he hated the idea of 'impurity'. Werewolves were a useful ally- and a dangerous enemy, but could never be seen as equals, and certainly not 'worthy' of the dark mark.

Of course, we know that this is a load of rubbish, look at Remus Lupin! One of the nicest characters in the whole series, and still with huge amounts of power and strength!

What do we think Voldemort would ask a willing Death Eater to do for an initiation?
Voldemort demanded complete and unconditional loyalty. I think there would probably be two or three parts.. one where the initiate would have do do something to hurt somebody else- whether kill them, torture them, something that would show if they had any compassion or not. Another part would be to do something to themselves. Maybe aim a spell at themselves, or drink a poison, or deadly potion, in the trust that Voldemort would get them out of it.. that could link to the third point- a testing of skills.. they may have to drink a potion- to show loyalty and 'trust' then brew their own antidote (discovering the poison looking at their symptoms) to show skill..
there would be different tests depending on which area the death eater 'specialised' in.. and different levels of difficulty depending on which level the DE would be working at. It would flush out most of those who didn't have the skill, or the loyalty. It would also be a good chance to get rid of those who you didn't want in your service.. you know, give them a poison with no antidote...

*hmhm*.. I wasn't enjoying that.. honestly!! I just got a little carried away with the whole testing thing.. what can I say.. I did a Hermione

OK... I'm guessing the post is probably long enough now

Once again, great Idea Dan!!

Clara}~

ah!! Daniel my dear cousin!! i see you went ahead and made the thread. good on you! again.... and well done on the name DARN its so hard to make a name for a thread that actually makes a word!

well i'm not about to say that Death Eaters are great... beacause they are not but wehat story would Harry POtter be without them! there's got to be some characters in a book that you just love to hate and to discuss.

Which Death Eater do you like the description of. Which one in your eyes seems the most to be feared among the wizarding community. By this i don't mean Voldemort strictly the Death eaters.
physical apperance - Bella
mental effect - Bella
she is extremly well... Azkaban sent her mad with rage and a lust for torture and killing...even more so. i have always thought that she was the sacriest and most itimidating...
okay remember deathly hallows when hermione is bella ... everyone was ten feet away from her! it's fantastic... erm i mean well basically she has that effect on people.

If Voldemort had friends which Death Eater/s. Who would he become closer to?
again i think he trusted Bella the most but i guess he would have trusted Lucius quite a lot too. erm.... lol

Out of all the Death Eaters crimes which you can remember which one do you think is the worst? And how do you think they can make up for what they did? Or is there no way at all?
the torture of the Longbottoms!! evil... it was a fate worse than death in my opinion..they were tortured to insanity and Neville had to live with seeing them like that ...
i can't imagine any crime done by a death eater that could be forgiven... hmmm i don't think so... i'll think...

hi everyone by the way! lol
keeping this short and sweet i'm afraid....cheerio!

clara - welcome



No no of course you weren't enjoying it Clara. Well the idea of torture and all that. Of course no one would enjoy it. But there intresting to talk aobut. As i've allready said " Know your enemy."

Yoour 3 stage intiation is what i fele is the guide line that i would follow. Voldemort finds all the qualities that he needs in that person. In doing so and if they are... unsatisfactory. He might just eliminate them from the proccedings. So to speak.

I wont forget WAW. No need to worry Clara.

K.Lupin_werewolf Welcome jade



I see your point. Bellatrix not to be respected but to be feared.

I do agree Longbottom's as you say a fate worse than death.


Thank you all for joining. Keep posting and have fun.

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yes exactly! lol now why did i not just say that?

basically a lot of people can control us right? now you haven't got to respect them but you fear them because of what they can do or a re capable of e.g like some people at school. they think that they are better than everyone else and they can get what they want from you but you don't respect them...you just don't want them to start spreading rumours about you. it's the same with the death eaters... you do what they want because they can kill your family and well you don't want that...
i guess in a sense fear is a fantastic tool of power... it can control very well... lol

i think Bella is a great example of this. she is below respect but above it at the same time as you respect the fact she has power over you and the ability to destroy what you hold dear yet you do not respect who she is in the sense that she is a murderer and a follower of that dark lord... that is what you fear....lol

Oh, Dan, you are right with Peter Pettigrew. I don’t know what I was thinking forgetting such a thing as his Dark Mark and the graveyard. This only proves that I must go and reread the books again.

Elaine, I love your Voldemort-Lucius dialogue. I can well image the two of them in such a debate. It's really hilarious!

But then, it seems to me, particularly in the last book, that the Dark Lord trusts Severus much, whereas he rather makes fun of the Malfoys. Personally, I think that he sees Lucius lower in the whole Death Eater hierarchy than Severus. In other words, I still think that the Dark Lord might regard Severus closer to himself than any other Death Eater. But so far, I seem to be in a minority with such an opinion.

And back to the criteria for becoming a Death Eater. If that is not much a digression; I hope, I’m not watering down your threat, Dan.

annesches, when you talk about the pure blood as one of the criteria, I don’t think it is the first and foremost thing, as for example Severus is not a pureblood but still is warmly accepted and trusted by the Dark Lord. And, Dan, when you say that you must at least pretend to be a pure blood, does that mean that Severus has been pretending all those years his blood status to the Dark Lord?

As for our next question:
What do we think Voldemort would ask a willing Death Eater to do for an initiation?
Clara, though you didn’t enjoy writing out the testing part, I think it is a very interesting idea. I have never thought about recruiting the Death Eaters in such a way but I guess you are right. The Dark Lord must have tested his followers’ skills, loyalty and ability to be cruel enough, so to speak.

To be honest, I have never imagined any initiation processes for the prospective Death Eaters. What I rather thought is that the Dark Lord, though rather picky in his approach, might allow anyone into his circle should the person prove to be somehow valuable to him. annesches, you seem to make the same point. I actually wouldn’t think that the Dark Lord was interested in his followers’ skills. Well, if they don’t possess particular knowledge of magic, in his eyes, it is their fault when they get killed carrying out their Master’s orders.

What I see as initiation, is sending a prospective Death Eater on a mission, so to speak. If they succeed they are in, if not well, bad luck, it’s their fault. Something similar to when Severus hears the prophecy and then carries the message back to the Dark Lord. Or when Peter Pettigrew persuades Lily and James to become their Secret Keeper. Something valuable and useful for the Dark Lord himself. I see the initiation not only as a test for tests’ sake but something useful and practical that might help the Dark Lord with his gathering of powers and strengths.

It’s nice to see that the discussion is getting started.

~Jana

hello Potions Mistress,

I think so, because as we know he was pretending more than half his life on being a death eater, and as pretending to be a pureblood is only but natural for Snape, as he is an accomplished occlumens. There was also something mentioned by Harry telling those death eaters about their dark lord being half-blood and yet they seemed not to know or if they did they were too scared of Voldemort or they won’t admit it as they too were against impurity. Blood status is still the most important one, as Voldemort himself is campaigning all the while he is alive. During his speech in the first chapter of deathly hallows about pruning those bad ones and of becoming a laughing stock when they have any relatives that are not purebloods among the death eaters. But still I think Voldemort will grant anyone of real value to him the dark mark.

They also used the dark mark as a way of recognizing each other and as a key or password when they set up barriers where only their lot can enter. This was shown during the hbp,the invisible barrier cast by the death eaters to block the stairs going up the lightning struck tower and also in the front gate of the Malfoy’s manor. The ones branded with the dark mark were let through as if there was no barrier.

I think I'm rambling here.

Yep. Like annesches said. He is good at pretending.

And can i remind everyone not to go to near Severus just in case. We have to remember S.O.S.S, Not a big problem yet though but just thought i'd mention it.


Blood status

It was really one of the main points that formed Deathly Hallows. It's the thing Death Eaters value most highly. I think it's important to go into detail about Blood status because Death Eaters consider it.

I think there may be a few other Death Eaters that are Half Bloods. I know Voldemort is no fool and could detect them out easily with Legimency. (Is that how we say it?) But it's more to the point that how usefu;l a Death Eater is. If they are a valuable servant i think Voldemort would ignore it. Afterall he is a half blood. Yet if they do something wrong he would prehaps use it agansit them before exacting his revenge on them.
I honestly think a Death eater is so wrapped up in there pure blood mania. They kid themselves into thinking that they are pure blood.

So everyone delve into Blood Status and your opinons on it. Like i say i think it's an important subject to go over.

Hello annesches.

Reading your arguments, you’ve totally persuaded me on the pure blood issues. You are right that the Dark Lord accentuates pure blood very much and thus it must be one of the prerequisites of any potential Death Eater. If they are really eager to become a member of this elite circle, they must be of pureblood origin. But then, on the other hand, I don’t think there were any prospective Death Eaters of mixed blood. I suppose everyone who wanted to join the Dark Lord must have cherished the same ideas as he himself did, and so they all must have been worshipers of the pureblood ideology. Which means, they must have been of pureblood decent themselves, otherwise they wouldn’t promote such ideas.

Ok, ok, and it seems that both of you, annesches and Dan, are also right on the point of Severus’s pretending. If he has been able to pretend to be on the Dark Lord’s side for so many years, why couldn’t he pretend being pureblood, right?

I hope I’m not interfering with S.O.S.S. issues now; I wouldn't like that, so I’ll try to be careful. My question concerns Severus at the time when he was still a Death Eater so I think it fits the discussion. We can easily agree on that he has been pretending to be a pureblood as well as working for the Dark Lord while actually working for Dumbledore. There are no doubts about his Occlumency skills, of course. But then, there was a time when he was eager to join the Death Eaters circles, when he overheard the prophecy and carried it to the Dark Lord – right at the beginning of his Death Eater career. And thus I’m wondering if he was pretending even then to be a pureblood. I see a slight discrepancy between what he actually was (a half-blood) and between the ideology he believed in (pureblood). And thank you, Dan, for reminding me about not talking about Severus much. I’m finished. Promise.


Actually, I’m convinced that this is what the whole pureblood business is about. The wizards actually kid themselves, as you rightly point out. I don’t know who says it in the books - maybe Sirius - that there is no such a thing as pure blood anymore. That all the wizards are just pretending to be of pure origins, but in reality this isn’t true because of all the intermarriages throughout the ages. So we may say that pure blood is actually non-existent as a real thing but only as an imaginary concept.

~Jana

PS: I think the word is Legilimency.

Edit: We're on the second page! It seems D.a.r.n. is actually making it. Hurray!

OK, just to get the mod thing out of the way first!



I know that it's quite hard not to bring Severus Snape into the discussion about Death Eaters, but one of the prerequisites for Dan opening this thread was that it didn't become another Snapefest!

But, since you mention his occlumency skills, he must have been very powerful in this area indeed because he managed to keep Voldemort out of his mind and thus prevented him from discovering his true blood status (if in fact he was claiming pure bloodedness) and his allegience to Dumbledore.

On the other hand while Severus claimed pureblood status to be included in the with the DE's ( the reason I believe because he didn't fit in elsewhere), Voldemorts obsession with blood only came from his being in denial about haeing half-blood himself. When in fact the only true 'dirty-blood' would be those born from the families who insisted on pureblood marriages or liaison, Voldemort himself being the descendant of a family that was so inbred the result was the Gaunts.

There are also those that may have been accepted amongst the fold despite not being pureblood, for instance if they denied their background in the same way as Voldemort did. I'm nor saying for a minute that he would have sympathies with these people, but it could be seen as a sign of their belief in the cause.

hello guys,

I agree etphonehome about those that renounced their impurity and rather advocate the pure blood mania of Voldemort. Now come to think of it , what the death eaters really don’t accept were not the half-bloods but the “mudbloods” sorry to use the word. The muggle-born registration commission was created to eliminate those not of any wizard blood, they think that they stole what they have, being able to do magic. Any muggle born that doesn’t prove any blood relation to a wizard or witch was fed to dementors right away. Also, as the pure bloods were so few in numbers, if they don’t accept and killed even the half-bloods they were going to be extinct in a matter of time.



He is a half-blood and I think that he was proud of being one as we saw what he claimed to be in his potion book. He only went with the way of the death eaters as he manifested his desire to join them, he must go with the flow. On what he believed, I think that with regards to this, we saw that blood status to him is not relevant. He even regretted the time he used the unforgivable word, I know it was because of the end of his friendship with Lily, but I believed that when he was so infatuated with the dark arts and in joining Voldemort he goes with way they were. Ok I’ll stop here as I may have gone too awry.

In my earlier post here I mentioned about the dark mark, any thoughts about the symbol that Lord Voldemort used to distinguished his death eaters and also about the privileges of having branded with it?

Well i've been on VTM a year today! What a year.



If i where a death eater. Or a supporter of Voldemort. I'd rather not have the mark. As we saw in the Deathly Hallows. When a Death Eater summons Voldemort and they have done so without what there master wants. He will punish them. So the Dark Mark really i think is something to be feared as well as honoured in the Death eater ranks.

Ok hopefully by my next post. Sabrina_Rose_Snape will have posted. She has told me she will. And she asked me something which i have checked with he MODS. We are aloud a memeber of the month and i know SRS, Is willing to make Death Eater ones. So whoever wins memeber of the month may be aloud an icon as anacknowledgement of thier achievement so to speak.

This discussion is really getting good.

So when you post SRS - ( lauren) thanks for your help.

Hi everyone!

Once again for the blood status, if I may. What you point out, annesches, about the so-called pure blood wizarding families campaigning against the Muggle-borns and not against those of mixed origin is actually true. Oh, how many times will I have to admit to my mistakes again? Never mind, one is learning all the time, right?

From Deathly Hallows we learn that when the Muggle-born person was able to provide a piece of evidence of a witch or wizard in the family, even some generations back, he or she did not have to face the registration commission. In other words, in these cases the mixed blood was what saved the people from being send to Azkaban.


As for the symbol itself, I think the iconography is rather obvious, the skull standing for the death and the snake being a symbol of (Salazar) Slytherin. Or am I confusing it with the Dark Mark conjured over a place of a recent murder? I guess the symbols are similar in both of the marks, though I’m not sure whether the marks are totally identical. I know that in the movies they are two different images, and honestly I don't know how about in the books. But it would make sense if they were the same. After all, it is the Death Eaters trademark of sorts.

I’m actually wondering what kind of magic the Dark Mark on the Death Eaters’ forearms is. We know that all kinds of magic fade away eventually, but the Dark Mark seems to stay on its bearers’ arms for so many years and actually, when the Dark Lord rises again, it gets even darker. When I was having a peek in GoF at the weekend, I noticed that the mark is dark red and not black as portrayed in the movies.

I agree with Dan on that though the Mark is rather a prestigious matter in that it allows direct communication with the Dark Lord, it might also cause inconveniences to its bearer if abused to the Dark Lord’s displeasure. As for the direct communication, I am convinced that this was the original purpose of the mark.

And if I may ask a question of my own, how were the Death Eaters ever founded, for lack of better word? Do you have any ideas? Or is it somewhere in the books and as usual I’ve simply overlooked/forgotten it?

From what I remember the group was forming in Hogwarts around the time Severus and the Marauders were studying there, recruiting their members from Slytherin only, I suppose. But who might have come up with the idea or the name and what was the purpose of the group? I know we’ve agreed that the Death Eaters are the Dark Lord’s followers, a kind of an elite group. But did they form on their own as a sort of a club while still at Hogwarts and then they joined the Dark Lord as a group, or did the first impulse for creation come from him?

One of the hints we may follow is in Deathly Hallows,

This would mean that they called themselves the Death Eaters even while still at school, I guess.

Sorry, Elaine, I’m really not making a Snapefest out of this thread. It’s just one of the scarce clues we have, I think, so thus I included it.

~Jana

PS: Congratulations on your VTMday, Dan!

I like your idea and explanation of the dark mark’s symbol. I’ll add mine when I post my view on my own question.

Actually the dark mark conjured after a murder by the death eaters was the same as the mark brander on their arms. It was a permanent mark that glows vivid and hot when one of them summons their dark lord and vice versa.



The death eaters were founded long before the time of snape and the marauders. The forerunners of the death eaters were the classmates of Lord Voldemort when he was at Hogwarts. The exact date of when the first death eaters being branded the dark mark was not clear. The recruitment process I think were started by those fathers (the forerunners - Avery, Lestrange) to their children and to their children’s classmates. As these forerunners and their children were from the Slytherin House, it was most likely that those recruited came from the same house as they have almost the same characteristics, ambitions, and as they can determine their classmates desire of really wanting to join them because they stay almost all the time together. The aspirants when at Hogwarts can show to those children of the death eaters their devotion to the dark arts and their willingness to serve the dark lord.



They may well call themselves whatever they like to be called but they became officially a death eater when they were branded the dark mark on their left forearms.

p.s. happy anniversary Seriouslysirius and nice thread, hope we can get others to join. recruitment is on!!!

Ok guys. You can tell me off but i haven't read all your posts. Just some relevatant information. I know i'm sorry.



Well they where founded sometime Tom Riddle was at school. We know this from the Half Blood Prince. I think it might have started out like any normal gang. Where people might habe been daring to jink people. You know silly little pranks stuff like that. Then Tom Riddle gets involved but he's good at not getting into trouble. And the would be death eaters. Would admire hiom for that. He probably teached them stuff concealed away from the teachers. Then they strt having prober mettings. Sort of like the formation of the good guys. - Dumbledore Army. I see it starting from there.

And by the way just as a side note i don't think we have to have spoiler tags any more Potions Mistress.

Thanks for wishing me a good anniversay guys.

Now i want to metnion this. I want to set a little sort of task. If you like. I was wondering if anyone would be intresting in doing a Fan fiction on the Death Eaters. Can be as long as short as you want. And on any death eater EXCEPT snape.

Just thought it would be nice to see if any would like to rise to the challenge.

Now more on the formation of the Death Eaters.

We seem confident that the teachers didn't know about Tom Riddles plottings. With the exception of Dumbledore. Do you think any of the students might have been aware of the Death Eaters. By the way i'm talking about the time when they first started up. Before Snapes time.

Because it's a big thing to think about. If someone knew something a didn't say anythin. COULD? It have prevented the formation of the Death Eaters?

Yeah! I’m glad DARN is up an running Dan, I thought it was a great idea when you came up with it

Right then...well obviously I want to join So I will answer the questions but I not in a very explaining mood My answers might not be that great…but they could be

Which Death Eater do you like the description of? Which one in your eyes seems the most to be feared among the wizarding community.
Well I love the description of Bella, she is described with long black hair, with a skull like face and I think her appearance is intriguing. I also agree with the dark heavy lidded eyes as a good part of her description. As for who is feared the most in the wizarding community I think that would have to be Snape. I think this because he was (even through it was an act) one of Voldemort’s most trust worthy Death Eaters and I think many may have feared him because they knew that Voldemort trusted him so well.

If Voldemort had friends which Death Eater/s. Who would he become closer to?
Well I can’t really see Voldemort becoming great friends with anyone of his Death Eaters but without a doubt there are elements of trust with some of his most faithful servants. Like some of you have said, he trusted Bella and her husband with the cup and it is obvious that he trusted Snape with many of his secrets. If I was possible for Voldemort to become friends with any of his Death Eaters then I think that Bella would be most likely to be that friend. They both share desire for inflicting pain upon others and both have a huge quenching thirst for the Dark Arts and not to mention Bella loved Voldemort (Did I read that in an interview?) so she would have done anything Voldemort wanted her to do. I don’t however think that Snape and Voldemort could have ever become friends and that is because Snape would have never let that happen as he killed Lily his one and only ever love.

Out of all the Death Eaters crimes which you can remember which one do you think is the worst? And how do you think they can make up for what they did? Or is there no way at all?
Well I think that joining Voldemort in a way is a crime therefore all the Death Eaters are as bad as each other but in saying that I realize that things that some did were far greater and darker then others, for example the torturing of Frank and Alice Longbottom was darker then simply causing mayhem at the Quidditch World Cup. But as for who in particular committed the worse crime I would have to say Bella like many of you have said. Again for the same reason that you guys have said. And I think that she can never my forgiven and its not like she can ask for forgiveness because she is dead now.

Well I didn’t post then but I have now and thank-you MODs and you Daniel for asking I’ll look forward to it.

And your welcome

Which Death Eater do you like the description of. Which one in your eyes seems the most to be feared among the wizarding community.
I think Bellatrix is very dangerous, because she will do anything for Voldemort. Malfoy is also a very powerful wizard, but I think he isn't that obsessed as Bellatrix is.

If Voldemort had friends which Death Eater/s. Who would he become closer to?
I have to say Bellatrix again. She is so devoted to Voldemort that he will trust her sooner than the others. She has been trough a lot for Voldemort and still she's the most loyal Death Eater, I think. I think she's the one Voldemort could even love, if he was capable of loving an other person besides himself.

Out of all the Death Eaters crimes which you can remember which one do you think is the worst? And how do you think they can make up for what they did? Or is there no way at all?Bellatrix, again I guess I don't really like her What she did to Neville's parents, that's one of the worst crimes. James and Lily Potter were dead, just like that, they didn't suffer, but Neville's parents have been through so much pain, they became insane. That's so terrible, I can't even start to explain how worse I think that is. And there's no way to make up for what they did. You would want them to die for their behaviour, but that would be too easy for the Death Eaters than a lifetime in Azkaban. They have to suffer as they made their victims suffer.

Welcome Sabrina_Rose_Snape and Vontsje. It's nice to see more people joining.

I must say you two don't like Bellatrix to you? Though i agree with you. Bellatirx as a lust to kill and kill if it pleases her master. Honestly it makes you wonder if Voldemort told Bellatrix to jump off a clif to please him, she'd do it. She's devoted to her master in an inhuman way.

And i'm just putting up this question again. I mentioned eariler.




I will answer this now.

I think if someone had something... I don't think actually that it would make much difference. Dumbledore wasn't headmaster at the time and he wouldn't have the power to stop it. And we know how much Armando Dippet loved Tom Riddle. If someone had blabbed aobut what they had seen. I think they should fear for themselves. As Tom Riddle would get rid of them. Literally. Dumbledore knew but i think that he didn't realise the true exstent of Tom's goings on untill to late. By which time the Death Eaters had formed.

And by the way everyone. I'm going to be away for 2 weeks! Next Satruday i'll be off to Florida. So i'm looking for a deputy to keep charge of the thread while i'm away.

There job would be to make sure no one goes off topic. Eg. Snape. - This is not a Snapefest as we know. So we do have to becareful.

And to come up with things. eg. Questions to keep the thread discussing.

So i'm watching.

hi again guys
sorry i won't be able to stay long but i'll try and catch up a little bit.


my guessing are that the group was created by Voldamort and that in the days when Snape was a boy the death eaters were already in pratice. and as his house was always asscociated with the dark side people who were sorted into that house often wished to join the death eaters and often said that they were one to scare others. of course no one becamse a real death eater until they were branded with the drak mark. i think


ooooo dan i would love too! but how should it be about? i'm torn. i'm torn between bella and Lucius...what do you guys think?

blood status - here's my two cents: basically i beilieve that "pure" blood status was highly thought of when you wanted to become a death eater and i'm pretty sure that it was proabably a must to get in. i just find it terriably ironic that Voldamort was a half-blood! ha ha! how ironic.


i would say no. because tom was very powerful and he was well dead-set on what he wanted to do. he stuck with what he wanted to achieve and didn't let anything get in the way. i don't think that they could have been stopped and if i'm honest i don't really care. no story can exist without that evil element, without the "baddies" so for that reason i love the death eaters lol and would never think that it could have been another way...

I think that the teachers don’t know of the reason on the group of Tom Riddle, as he was an intelligent an smart boy in his time at Hogwarts, classmates being always with is just ordinary and they wouldn’t be suspicious of them. Tom Riddle in his days at Hogwarts was an orphan boy that came from poverty, and yet he was a charming, intelligent and a model student, this was the mask that he wore in front of the teachers and school staff. While inside the Slytherin common room, where he was himself, nobody dared to complain or fight with him as he was smart enough to scare them and that any incidents of misdemeanour by them never reached the teachers. Also the Slytherins of his time were proud of being just with him as he was a descendant of Salazar Slytherin, as they were also obsess with blood status. So probably anyone that noticed something with Tom Riddle and his gang would be afraid of telling the teachers, as Voldemort was good at scaring them and as they were afraid of things happening on themselves they chose to shut their mouth.

p.s. a nice welcome to Sabrina_Rose_Snape and Vontsje

Now where on the Tom Riddle subject. I think we should go more deeper into it.

Voldemort as we know has control over Death Eaters. He spreads fear amongst the ranks. To keep them in line i suppose. But how do you suppose Voldemort would deal with a Death Eater rebellion? Because we know Voldemort is powerful but can he deal with so many death eaters?

I presonally think this situation would never break out. Espically with Bellatrix on his side. She would never betray him and she can cut down any man. Plus Voldemort is extremely powerful. But suppose it did. How strong is Voldemort really. He is human no matter how twisted he is.

It's all a matter of opinon really of course and i can't wait to see your answers.

Oh and who do you think out of the death eaters. Is most likely to start a rebellion?



I'd like to see a Bella one.

who do you think out of the death eaters. Is most likely to start a rebellion? how do you suppose Voldemort would deal with a Death Eater rebellion? can he deal with so many death eaters?

Nice questions here Seriouslysirius.

With so much fear of Voldemort, death eaters on the rise of rebellion is almost impossible and on what reasons would they be plotting the rebellion as they were of the same goals, advocates of purification of blood and controlling and putting the entire wizarding community at their feet. Even the wizarding community and their ministry were fighting a losing battle. A rebellion within their circle is more than unlikely.
But for the sake of discussion. . .
Which of the death eater is the most likely to start up a rebellion, there should be motives, Severus Snape, vengeance for Lily, Lucius Malfoy, a desire to be freed of humiliation and control, Regulus Black, his conscience.
Snape did his rebellion his way, by leaving Voldemort completely and siding with Dumbledore and together they plan their ways of fighting the dark lord. Black did his rebellion on trying to destroy one of the horcrux of Voldemort, but failed to do so. Narcissa Malfoy, inadvertently became the one that did the rebellion for his husband instead.
As to how Voldemort would deal in case of rebellion, I think that a cruciatus curse would suffice to stop the rebellion, and with Bellatrix at his side, there is no doubt they could stop it. All can start any rebellion but Bellatrix is the most unlikely to start a rebellion, as she love and worship him. She is the most faithful death eater without a doubt.
Voldemort will order one of the rebels to cast the cruciatus curse on their comrades and threatening them to be the one suffering if they don’t do it. The way he used Draco to torture those useless death eaters or those that defy him. The cruciatus curse would suffice to drive anyone into madness. This I think would be his way of punishing rebels and putting a stop to the rebellion, if the rebellion was on its early stage. But if the rebellion was already on a later stage, I think that he would immediately kill those traitors that were unworthy of the dark mark branded on their forearms.

Thank you for welcoming me here to DARN Seriouslysirius and annesches

Oh is that a new question a see…? Yes it is

Who do you think out of the death eaters, is most likely to start a rebellion? How do you suppose Voldemort would deal with a Death Eater rebellion? Can he deal with so many death eaters?
A tricky set of questions my dear cousin…well…I firstly want to state that all who severe the Dark Lord are at least partly his servants to save themselves and most likely many joined him out of fear. I guess to explain what I am saying I’ll have to quote Bennie from ‘The Mummy’:
“It is better to be the right hand of the Devil then in his path. As long as I serve him, I am immune.”
I think that many of his Death Eaters see the reason for joining him as the quote says. And I think after some time of being with him and seeing his powers they wouldn’t dare leave his command because they are to say the least to scared to do so. Fear can stop many things as well as start them and the fear which the Death Eaters (I’m not saying all as there are some exceptions) hide behind their masks stops them from ever leaving or rebel against their leader.

However there are some Death Eaters such as Bella who do not hold such fear towards the Dark Lord but I’m certain she would not rebel against him because she is in love with him and completely hypnotized, if you like, by his actions and his power and his way of driving fear into anyone. But back onto the actual question…

I think that out of all the Death Eaters Luicus Malfoy is more likely to rebel against him. He has motivations for it as the Dark Lord embarrassed him however having in saying that I think Luicus wouldn’t in order to stay in the Dark Lord’s ‘good books’ to protect his family. I basically think that Malfoy is the most likely Death Eater to rebel but only by a tiny percentage I would say that 10-15% of him could rebel and the other 90-85% is smart enough to realize what would have if he did rebel against Voldemort.

Now another way to answer this question is to suggest that Snape would rebel against Voldemort however in my opinion Snape is not a ‘real’ Death Eater as Harry said so himself near the end of book seven:
“Severus Snape wasn’t yours,”
That quote was Harry talking to Voldemort saying that basically Snape wasn’t on the ‘evil’ side. The reasons if Snape did rebel against the Dark Lord are, to me, obvious. He would do so in revenge for Lily but having in said that he may have got over the wanting for revenge because he knew that Voldemort would most likely kill him if he rebelled therefore he agreed to be on Dumbledore side at destroy Voldemort in the long/more likely to work run.

As for how Voldemort would react to a rebellion from his Death Eaters, I think is simple. I think that Voldemort would start by saying something like:
“Any fool who wishes to challenge me, speak now.” And that would be what he’d do however if any should actually stand up to him then he would threaten that Death Eater with their family’s welfare and if that should not work then he would without thought kill them and then say to the rest of his followers:
“And let that be a warning of what is to come should to try and defy me. And if you do then you will lose…everything.”I do think that he could deal with a lot of Death Eaters rebelling to him because the most strongest such Bella are his most loyal servants and he is without a doubt a strong and powerful wizard who would stop at nothing to achieve what he wants.

Phew…that’s enough from me. Great question again

Woah like thosse answers i really do.

To answer my question.

Who do you think out of the death eaters, is most likely to start a rebellion? How do you suppose Voldemort would deal with a Death Eater rebellion? Can he deal with so many death eaters?

My first thought when i was writing this question. Was Wormtail but the thought went as soon as it came. Peter is a coward and would not have enough strength to rebel aganist Voldemort.
I sort of feel sorry for him. I mean he did everything for Voldemort and in repayment he gets abuse. I'm sure Wormtail has thoughts of rebeling but hides it from Voldemort as much as he can because of legimency. But i don't think Voldemort is blind he knows it. But Wormtail is not much of a threat to him.

Well as to who actual would rebel i believe that Lucious Malfoy would. For the facts that you have all stated. Though Lucious is no fool either. But i think Voldemort could overpower him easily. He has leverage over Lucious after all. His son Draco. He has only to threaten him and Lucious will obey Voldemort. Faster than a click of a finger.


Keep posting guys.

Hello guys,
I think we’re slowing down so I came up with the new questions for discussions.

How did Wormtail join the Dark Lord and why did he become a death eater?

In what circumstances did the Longbottoms defied the Dark Lord that led to their torture from the death eaters headed by Bellatrix after the Dark Lord’s first downfall.

keep posting

Right well this is it's my last post here for 2 weeks. Florida is waiting.

So I thought I'd best leave a note here of who is going to take my place help running the thread until I return.

annesches - Well done I want you to take my place. Generally is to keep the thread running with new and exciting ideas. You have contributed to D.A.R.N massively so well done.

And a message to Sabrina_Rose_Snape. If you could start making some icons in any free time available that would fantastic. No rush though.

I'll answer this one question from annesches I only have time for one I'm sorry.

How did Wormtail join the Dark Lord and why did he become a death eater?

If I remember right it was very similar to Snape. I think Peter was tempted by Voldemort's ideas. Like Snape as we know he and Wormtail. Helped plot against Lilly + James and Harry. Though of course Wormtail was the true one with the evil intentions. Since then he fled when he heard news of Voldemort's defeat. He through cowardice believed his master to be dead. Or maybe he had a change of heart and wished not to be a Death Eater anymore it is possible he regretted his actions. As to the fact of his last actions in DH.
I think like Dumbledore he began to think of a possibility of Wizards ruling muggles. Though unlike Dumbledore he allowed this ideas develop and over take him. Soon joining Voldemort. But towards the end he obviously began to realise this was not the way. But he was all ready roped into it.

Phew.

This is goodbye then.


So keep posting guys and I'll be back in 2 weeks or so.

ok there's no replies i better answer myself as they don't love us anymore

just kidding love yah guys

here's mine:

How did Wormtail join the Dark Lord and why did he become a death eater?

Wormtail was a coward and a traitor. He was a person that chose his wall, indeed a stronger side for him to lean on, there’s nothing he wouldn’t do to ensure his survival. Thus becoming a death eater would be natural, as the dark lord is ascending, it’s better to become an ally rather than an obstruction in his path. The ultimate assurance of his membership is to divulge his knowledge of the hiding place of the Potters and what lucky chance he just had; he was the secret keeper.

In what circumstances did the Longbottoms defied the Dark Lord that led to their torture from the death eaters headed by Bellatrix after the Dark Lord’s first downfall.

Rather hard to speculate. They were both aurors, as their job was to catch dark wizards; crossing path with the dark lord and his death eaters was inevitable. In any of the event that they met the dark lord their initial reaction was to flee as they were husband and wife, they most often put their escape of the other first, not because of escaping but because they wanted to protect the other to survive as they have a child. The couple might be lucky to escape the dark lord three times but unfortunately they didn’t escape the hands of Bellatrix and the other the death eaters’ torture. After the fall of the Dark Lord his very supporters were having their revenge, they were vindictive, and if they can not bring their dark lord back at least continue his spread of power to domineer the wizarding world. The Longbottoms were tortured to insanity, a much worst punishment than to be killed, and such brutality of torture and such cruelty of living. What a constant agony for the survivors to see them in such state and a waste to such lives of a wonderful couple.

come on guys let keep this thread moving

Well, what the heck, I'll jump in!

How did Wormtail join the Dark Lord and why did he become a death eater?
My own thoughts on this are that Wormtail would have been considered a weaker wizard. He was riding on the coattails of those more talented and powerful than he was when he was in school. The Dark side would have held a lot of lure for someone like Wormtail -- the promise of great power alone would have made him twitchy to join. It makes sense that he would have viewed Voldemort as another powerful wizard who could "escort him" through dark and trying times. Also, Wormtail was a bit of a coward -- if you can't beat 'em, join 'em, right?
I can see that Voldemort would have seen Wormtail's usefulness too. Once Voldemort had made the decision that the prophecy was about the Potters, who best to use to get close to them than one of their "best" friends?

In what circumstances did the Longbottoms defied the Dark Lord that led to their torture from the death eaters headed by Bellatrix after the Dark Lord’s first downfall.
Well, I can't come up with any specific scenario's that would have been the three times they defied Voldemort. Along the lines of what Annesches said, they were both Aurors, and from what I can gather from the books, they were very skilled and brave. (I can't remember which book it was mentioned in, but Frank Longbottom was one of the best Aurors in the Ministry). Given that Frank and Alice were well-known, they may have been targets, and may have been intentionally confronted and attacked. The act of fighting back, escaping and thus defying the Dark Lord may have been enough to provoke their torture. Here's a though though -- do we know if Voldemort may have tried to get the Longbottoms on his side? I'm not sure about Alice, but Frank was a pureblood wizard (who was very powerful). Maybe they turned down an offer to become Death Eaters, and it brought them under fire? What do you think?

I know you want see this for a while Dan but have I great time

Again I know you wont see this for a while, I will try to start it while you are gone

Right now for the questions…actually because of time I’ll just answer the first one for now.

How did Wormtail join the Dark Lord and why did he become a death eater?
Well I suppose that Wormtail was one of the people I suggested in my last post that would have joined the Dark Lord out of fear. And I quoted a line from a film, here it is again:
“It is better to be the right hand of the Devil then in his path. As long as I serve him, I am immune.” (Bennie from ‘The Mummy’)
I can imagine that Wormtail would have thought along these lines. And I agree with the fact that the Dark Lord would have seen him as useful because of his links with the Potter family which was of course key to Voldemort’s plans. I imagine Peter came to the Dark Lord with information of the Potters whereabouts and the information that he gave him was so great and well worthy of Peter becoming a Death Eater, a helpful servant to Voldemort.

First of all welcome to Belladawna and feel free to join the discussions here hope you’ll enjoy posting here.

It’s more than a week now that nobody posted, maybe all were busy especially with the yuletide season coming in soon, exams and office works. Anyway hope to see this thread going on.

If you are a death eater what will your stand be at the final Hogwarts battle and what will you do to prove your stand?

Hope this question will have some responses.

Keep posting guys!!!

After an inexcusably long pause, hello everyone again! And welcome Belladawna. The more members the better. Hopefully the discussion will start rolling again.

A will get to the most recent question by annesches, but while I was catching up reading the older posts I noted down some things I wanted to comment on too. I hope it’s ok, then, to return to some less recent questions.

Who do you think out of the death eaters is most likely to start a rebellion?
All of you were arguing that any rebellion is virtually impossible because the loyal Death Eaters share their beliefs and opinions with the Dark Lord. Yet, I think a rebellion needn’t spring up only as a result of a clash of opinions, but say, over the question of power. I can very easily imagine the Death Eaters being rather fed up with the Dark Lord bossing them around all the time and them realizing that they too can have some power in the world. In other words, some of the Death Eaters might want to usurp the leading position the Dark Lord has. After all, they are his faithful servants but have to live in a constant fear of him and what’s more, even the wizarding world perceives only the Dark Lord as the one truly powerful wizard, whereas the Death Eaters are looked down to as mere servants or mediocre figures.

When you mention Severus or Regulus Black as the initiators of the rebellion, such rebellion would have to be based on an ideological basis, i.e. a disagreement over the validity of the assumption that the Death Eaters can rule other wizards, for example. But if the rebellion turns to be over the power, I believe Lucius may become the leading figure. After all, despite his faithful service, he has had to endure a lot of ridicule from the Dark Lord. So, I would see his rebellion as a means of getting revenge and gaining power for himself.

I wanted to comment just on this particular part out of the whole complex rebellion question Dan posed, so I’ll move on.

How did Wormtail join the Dark Lord and why did he become a death eater?
First, good question, annesches. Before answering, I would like to ask for clarification, though. What house was Pettigrew in? Was he a Gryffindor? This would make sense because he was able to spend most of his time with the Marauders, which otherwise would be rather difficult to achieve. But I think his personality traits do not correspond to those of a Gryffindor. Or was his sorting again an example of Dumbledore’s “You know, I sometimes think we sort too soon?”

I think that realizing his average magical skills and maybe even being aware of his disloyal character, it was only natural that Pettigrew sought for a company and potential protection of someone stronger. While still being at Hogwarts the protection was provided by the friendship with the Marauders. But once the school was over, he was left alone, unprotected and vulnerable. And who was the most powerful wizard other wizards feared, by far more powerful than the Marauders? The Dark Lord himself. I imagine this being the motivations behind Pettigrew’s actions and desires to join the Dark Lord.

As for the deed that actually pulled him among the Death Eaters’ ranks, I agree with the rest of you that it was the revelation of the Potters’ hiding place. After realizing the things about himself I have outlined above, it was easy for him to prepare and consequently carry out the plan, I guess.

And finally for the last question:
If you are a Death Eater what will your stand be at the final Hogwarts battle and what will you do to prove your stand?
Actually, I’m not sure if I understand the question right. The final battle was, after all, between the good (the Order, Dumbledore’s Army etc.) and the evil (the Death Eaters and the Dark Lord himself). So I somehow don’t know if the Death Eaters had to prove their stand in any way. Everyone knew who was on the Death Eaters’ side, so I would say the things were quite clear from the beginning.

Or is this question along a more personal line and are you asking about our personal preferences what we would do in the Death Eaters’ places? I’m sorry I got confused.

Take care all of you and keep posting.

~Jana

PS: I have a hunch our president is back from Florida so we might expect him here soon.

Hi there everybody i'm back!!! Flordia was fantastic.

And welcome to Belladawna have a great time here!

Now i see D.A.R.N'S moved but not as much as i'd hoped. But don't worry all school and work stuff gets to you.


Now this question.

If you are a death eater what will your stand be at the final Hogwarts battle and what will you do to prove your stand?

I do am not exactly sure i know what you mean annesches. Though do you mean possilby your fighting ability how far you will go for the Dark Lord in the battle. If so i imagine if Voldemort aloows you take place in the battle. You must have proved yourself allready to be capable of dealing with the perils of battle.

I'm leaving it open for now untill annesches get's back to us. Sorry annesches i bet it's a great question. But i have slight trouble in understanding it. I just don't want to add more in case i'm wrong.

I have a new question.

Out of all the Death Eaters which do you think we know so little of. But should know more about?

This could be for example if you liked the death eater in question. His or her description etc.

Keep posting guys.

hello seriouslysirius. i want to be a member of ur little club it sounds cool.

Hello welcome back Seriouslysirius,

Sorry guys if my question isn’t that clear.
If you are a death eater what will be your choice, what side will you help as this is the final battle will you still be at your master’s side and fight until you can for what he and you believed or you will abandon your master and join Harry Potter instead and fight until you can for their cause? Where your loyalty lies?

Like what Bellatrix did, she fight until the end of her life for her master or like Lucius did, he chose to abandon the battle. Hope this is clearer than my question before.

As for your question I’ll answer on my next post, got to go.

Hello missmalfoy welcome to darn and I think that all you need to do is just keep posting here. Enjoy!

Thanks for the warm welcomes, everyone! I'm glad to be here. And welcome back, SeriouslySirius -- hope you had a great time in Florida!

Out of all the Death Eaters which do you think we know so little of, but should know more about?
Good question!! Personally, I think we should know more about Rodolphus Lestrange (Bellatrix's husband). Bellatrix is a formidable woman whom we know a lot about. I would dearly love to know more about the man she married and their relationship. Let's face it, we usually see Bellatrix on her own. Where is Rodolphus? Are they close? Is he similar in drive and determination, or does Bellatrix dominate him in their marriage? Was it love that brought them together, or the need for a pureblood union? What was he like growing up? Is he as loyal to Voldemort as Bellatrix?

If you are a death eater what will be your choice, what side will you help as this is the final battle will you still be at your master’s side and fight until you can for what he and you believed or you will abandon your master and join Harry Potter instead and fight until you can for their cause? Where your loyalty lies?
Tricky... IF I was a Death Eater, and had sworn my loyalty to Voldemort and truly shared the same beliefs, I would fight for Voldemort till the death. However, I couldn't see myself swearing loyalty to Voldemort and the Death Eaters, for the simple reason that I couldn't dedicate myself to their cause. For myself, I'd be fighting with Harry and the OOTP. I hope that makes some sense!!

Yeah let's get this thread going again guys. Well done.

Now Belladawna you make a good point about Rodolphus i'd like to know more about him. As to there relationship, i regard it as nothing much. Bellatrix was in love Voldemort truely. In question i think the reason J.K told us little of there relationship. Was because Bellatrix must have regarded it as little.

This is wikipeida's information aobut Rodolphus.

Rodolphus Lestrange - Male - Participated in the torture and the permanent incapacitation of Frank and Alice Longbottom using the Cruciatus Curse. Escaped prison fourteen years later to rejoin Voldemort. Participated at the break-in at the Department of Mysteries, and escaped from Azkaban again after being arrested in the latter crime.

No mention on there relationship. Maybe one od them did it to get in with the Death Eaters prehaps. Rodolphus? This has got me thinking i'm not to sure.

Ahhhh... annesches now i understand.

Well i wouldn't never join the Death Eaters. Order all the way. But if my mind had been wawrped into floowing Voldemort. I would probably follow my Master... Prehaps in fear. It's hard to say as i've never come close to a situation like that.

Ok guys i thought time for some fun!

Just a little game if you like. And it involves some thinking.

Pick a Death Eater, any Death eater. And come up for a quote for them. It could be something that has allready been said by someone. Or it could be your very own quote.
I'll start off with Bellatrix.

" Hall hath no fury like a woman scroned." In Malfoy Manor she went mad to get he way. I think it suits her in a evil way. So let your imagination role guys.

And a message to Sabrina_Rose_Snape. Though i see it unlikely.. with erm stuff going on. But none the less. I ask your progress on the Death Eater icons. As November is drawing to an end. And some one must win Dark markerof the month. ( what do you guys think of the name?)

Oh and welcome missmalfoy. Have fun here!!!!

I'll choose Lucius Malfoy, and I give him the saying, "what goes up, must come down" *grin*

Lucius Malfoy was very talented in worming his way out of bad situations. When Voldemort fell the first time, he used the excuse that he was under the Imperius curse to get out of punishment for his actions. After that, we know that he was on the Board of Govenors for Hogwarts (COS), and that he was respected at the Ministry of Magic for making large donations to different causes (or so Cornelius Fudge tells us at the end of GOF). Lucius managed to become reasonably well-respected -- and then managed to land himself in Azkaban after the battle in the Department of Mysteries in OOTP. After that, he lost credibility with the Ministry (he was revealed as a Death Eater) and Voldemort (he lost the prophecy).

Hello again!

I’m sorry, being way behind posting, with my imagination not working properly today, I will just answer annesches' question for the time being.

If you are a death eater what will your stand be at the final Hogwarts battle and what will you do to prove your stand?

I, personally, will not a priori deny associating myself with the Death Eaters. You can never know what the life will bring to you. So, I think, if it brought me under the protective wings of the Dark Lord himself, and I joined the ranks of his most faithful servants, I would definitely fight for him till my last breath. That is, if I was single, without any commitments and this decision was totally up to me. But if I had a family like Narcissa I would have to take this into consideration and act accordingly, like she did. But being free and single I would devote my whole being to the Dark Lord. I’m not a coward who changes sides.

Although this might seem that I adore the Dark Lord, it is not it. It’s just that I think one should be consistent in one’s beliefs. Be them of a Death Eater's or Order's nature.

~Jana

Well... Well... It's the end of the month now. Can you believe how fast time flies. But it's time for me to decide who is Dark marker of the month.

It was a hard decision but....

But that person is... annesches for keeping the thread alive in my absence and for actively posting.

Well done!!! annesches.

Belladawna I love your quote for Lucious. You are right no matter how money we win. At some point we must stop winning and start giving. Which Lucious failed to do for the right reasons. He should have seen sense when Voldemort fell and he would never have to go up and down.

Right a question.

Do you think all Death Eaters deserve a second chance? Or just a select few?

My warmest congratulations, annesches, on becoming our first Dark Marker of the Month. Is it the correct name of the honor, Dan? You know, Dark Marker sounds slightly like the thing I’m using for writing on white boards while teaching. But this doesn’t belittle annesches’ status in the least. You surely deserve it!

Now for your question:

Do you think all Death Eaters deserve a second chance? Or just a select few?

I think this is a tricky question. But if we take into consideration some notions of justice, law, and crime and punishment, I think everyone should be measured in the same way. Thus, we cannot single out anyone and make some selected few.

I’ve already written it in one of my very first posts here in this thread. I think none of the Death Eaters deserves any second chance. This might sound too harsh but majority of them already had had their second chances. It was after the first war when they claimed that they had acted only under the Dark Lord’s Imperius Curse. And the wizarding society believed them then and accepted them back. So in a way, all the time till the second war, they have already been living their second chances.

And the Death Eaters' joining the Dark Lord for the second war only means that their behavior is irredeemable, no matter how many chances they get from the society.

~Jana

How is it that I've never posted in DARN? I'm so dissapointed in myself! Well, better late than never, right?

Congratulations to annesches for Dark Marker of the Month! Some people might frown upon being good in the Dark Arts, personally I find it the most worthy thing to grin about!

I'll go ahead and jump in with the latest question.

Do you think all Death Eaters deserve a second chance? Or just a select few?

I would say that only a select few deserve a second chance. It all depends on how much remorse they show on what they're involved in. That sounds so unrealistic... asking a DE if they are remorseful.

Great thread, Seriouslysirius!


Ashley

First of all, congrats annesches! Not only are you Dark Marker of the Month, but you're the FIRST Dark Marker of the Month You've made history!

Do you think all Death Eaters deserve a second chance? Or just a select few?

Actually, Jana took the words right out of my mouth (or mind) for this. By the time the second war rolled around, most of these Death Eaters were already on their second chances. Do I think we should give them another opportunity to take advantage of people's forgiving natures? Nope. I'm all for giving a person a second chance, but when that person turns around and deliberately does the same thing again, it demonstrates a lack of desire to change.

Well we can overlook the white boards thingy. Hopefully... That's in my head now.



You're right there Belladawna.

And welcome workaholic_1231!! So great to have you here.
To answer my own question.

Do you think all Death Eaters deserve a second chance? Or just a select few?

I don't think they do personally. As you first mentioned, Potions Mistress they outlived they're second chance when they rejoined Voldemort in the graveyard. I suppose though you can see there argument. Oh but i was terrified that the Dark Lord would come and kill all my family. If i didn't come to him. None the less. They could have seeked protection from Dumbledore. Who is a forgiving man and is after all. " The only one her ever feared."
Second chances are deadly things because if you give them to the wrong people. You may pay. And I think that when an act like the Death Eaters commited has been done. A third chance is fatal.


Ahh. December 1st I love christmas don't you guys? So just for fun i thought prehaps. Each day if your the first to post ask a Christmas Death Eater related question. It could be anything really. Don't feel worried to post it. If you're the first person here on each day of December.

Like say if Voldemort ever did enjoy Christmas. Just once perhaps in the orphanage. What do you think he would have done? Would he have joined in the celebrations, toasting and eating turkey perhaps? Or been quiet about it, and secretly enjoying it? Have fun with that question.

That will be today's first question. So I thought we could do this because it gives everybody a chance to post a question. And have some fun about it. After all it is the season of good will... Or perhaps for the Death Eaters... A time of good will power.

~Dan~