I was just thinking and i am getting more nervous about the final movie. What if the wrtiters of the movies don't want to kill some of the characters that die in the books. This would hurt the books.

I think that, if they don't want to kill a character off, they just won't include them at all. Colin Creevy for example, they probably won't even bother to include him. But there aren't that many deaths, if anything, it would be easier to kill off all that die rather than leave them on and try to incoorporate them into the storyline.

i think that the seventh movie is just going to suck in general and they probably will totally screw up the story line but some deaths...like fred and lupins i doubt they'll include because too many people are in love with them and they want to "give the audience what it wants"

I disagree with you MISIA. I think that, if they get the right people doing it, it will be a great movie. I think they will include the deaths of Fred and Lupin, because even though people do like them, it is a natural part of history that they die. After all, they killed Sirius off in the movies even though everybody loved him. That is the style of these movies, to be serious and dark.

I think that the script writer(s) have a tough time deciding who and what should and shouldn't be kept in. They will not decide for instance that Lupin will live, becasue they know as well as we do that he doesn't survive, and that would make the movies makers lose credibility. They wouldn't want that to happen. I agree that the 'minor' deaths may be cut by just not mentioning it at all, but they wouldn't change a major one.

Misia, you say that too many people are in love with Fred and Lupin and for that reason they won't include their deaths and give the audience what they want. I think and this is just my opinion here. The fans of those characters actually wanted Ms Rowlingf to keep them alive, so no matter what the movie makers do, book fans will know the truth, but like I said, they won't mess with major happenings in the book. Rest assured, Fred, Lupin, Dobby et al will meet their makers as they did in the book.

I'm going to have to agree with etphonehome here. The script writers can't decide who lives and dies because that is already decided, but they will get to decide if it is in the movie or not. Major/somewhat major characters are almost definitely going to be mentioned at some point or another. I don't think it would do the movie or the books justice if they didn't mention them. However, minor characters can easily be overlooked with thinking twice.

I think Hedwig (Harry's faithful pet throughout the entire series and movies), Lupin, Dobby (because I don't see how they will be able to do the great escape from Malfoy manor without him), and Fred are major deaths that should, and I think most definitely will, be mentioned.

It doesn't have anything to do with trying to make the movie more popular or not. I think by going against the books would cause more of an uproar from fans. If the script writers really want to give the audience what they want, they will keep it by the book.

I must say I totally agree with etphonehome and LittleRed7771 on everything they said.

Making movies isn't easy and they might probably find it easier to just put a randow character shouting "Look -insert name here- is dead!" and then point the camera at someone laying on the floor, than actually going over to the death sequence. Potterwatch might be another way to anounce the deaths, but they won't change what was written by JKR's murderous pen.

As LittleRed7771 said, and I believe she's totally right, people will be furious if they don't stick to the books' deaths. The movies would then become book spinoffs, which might enrage the fans.

My contribution to thread, however, is to remember what just happened with Dumbledore: the writers were assignning him a girl for a love interest, and Jo quickly intervened: ejem, ejem, that couldn't have happened, because he's gay.

I believe Jo still has a final word on the matter, and she wouldn't allow her characters to live in the movies if she chose a different destiny for them in the books, which is, after all, her work.

I just hope that they include Dobby's death, i of course love the other characters, but i think that they need to include Dobby, he wasn't really put into the movies and i think they at least need to include his death.

I don't know whether they will include Dobby's death scene as he's been cut out the previous two movies. They may mention that alas the faithful elf has died. But I don't know... he's pretty important I must admit, no matter how much I dislike him... *ducks as things are thrown at her* I know I'm sorry! But I think that it will look a bit weird that he's just suddenly appeared again... i guess he could say something like 'Dobby has been working at Hogwarts Mr Harry Potter sir, for many years now.' Or something equally annoying (kidding )

But misa, I reckon that the fans would be more annoyed if their beloved character doesn't get a death scene in the film. Part of what upset me the most about Lupin (who I love) dying was that it wasn't written. We don't know how he died, what his last words were etc... all we know is that it was Dolohov. So i think that the film writers will put as many as they possibley can it, lest run the risk of blood on the streets

I doubt that including every death is quite impossible and in a way a little boring. I mean they cant just show how everyone of them is knocked off one by one..which is indeed happening like that in the Batte of Hogwarts for instance...
but there are indeed deaths that are too dramatic to left out or too neccessary for the polt.

Mad- Eye for example..has to be shown...I dont know why his death should be a problem to be shown...he is the first to die and its quite..dramatic..and..significant
dobby...I agree with Ygraine..well said.. ( I actually think you are the first person who doesnt like Dobby...who reminds me on Gollum..lol..anyway.)

and Freds death is a must too...way too dramatic...its the weasleys...its just so..emotional...seeing how his brothers try to still protect him and..how the family cries...(which could be cut out)
but unfortunately..the significance of Lupins death..or Tonks..is way too low in the book that it will be maybe mentioned by the way..and thats it...no more...IF it is mentioned..god knows..maybe they will add it also up when they show Teddy..and be like.."oh well he is well over their deaths" or anything...*sighs*

In my opiniun, this is the worst thing, the writers could do to the book. They better include all the major and semi-major deaths...The movie will be horrible if the following's deaths arn't included)

*Mad-eye Moody (they should show it, even a 5 second shot would do good)

*Hedwig (it wouldn't take much effort to include this)

*Dobby (I know he hasn't been in the past movies, but this is a very important death, and to me...one of the most emotional..he can be added, this is the one I think is most likely to get cut....but it better not!

*Peter Pettigrew (if the actor's in, then he will probably die..it's not reeeaaaly important, but should stay in.

*Bellatrix Lestrange (This was a sweet death..they should show actual footage..I can't quite remember if it's shown in the book, but even if it isn't..this should be included.)

*Vincent Crabbe (Since this is when they get a horcrux, then his death will probably be included)

*Fred Weasley (most likely, this will stay in)

*Snape (No doubt, this will stay in)

*Remus Lupin (this is an important death, even though it wasn't shown in the book, this should defiantly be shown in the movie, dieing, fighting side by side with his wife.)

*Nymphadora Tonks (this is an important death, even though it wasn't shown in the book, this should defiantly be shown in the movie, dieing, fighting side by side with her husband.)

Among the other deaths such as Colin Creevey, and Rufus Scrimiger..I don't think they have to be included due to the minor cause it has to the story. (Rufus's can be mentioned though)

i really think if they were to compres this movie as much as the fourth and fifth all deaths but the really really vital ones'll be out...even though they shouldn't

mad-eye and hedwig- depends on how they make the chase scene, probably kill off hedwig so they don't have to worry about her in the rest of the movie but mad-eye might not even be in it at all.

dobby- hasn't been played in the movie as much as he should so either they bring him back or find a way to help harry escape without him

peter- depends on how they make the ma,foy manor scene...if they include it.

bellatrix- dpends on how much time they leave for the final battle, but everyone loved that so they'll probably include it.

crabbe- definatley not, and it'll probably be malfoy who makes the fiendfyre altogether.

fred-i doubt it he'll probably still be there in the end laughing about it and percy'll probably never amke a comeback

snape- depends on how they set up HBP but probably they'll make him die taking an avada kedrava for harry in the very end after the whole story came out.

lupin- yeah so he can be in the reunited scene

tonks- i doubt they'll include her as such a major charachter, they'll probably not even make the ship so if she dies, it won't be as important

harry- they'll probably change that scene so much it won't make any sense

voldermort- usles they try to do they creepy i'm-not-really-dead kind of thing i doubt they'll include it

and other deaths that didn't happen in the book might happen in the movei like one of the malfoys, kreacher and maybe even neville

I'm sure that, like most other movies, they will definitely ignore at least on death. The one that seems most likely to me, is Colin Creevey. I don't think they would cast him again just to show him dead, really! Crabbe I don't think either. Dobby... it's hard to tell. Again, it depends if they have the Malfoy Manor scene or not, same for Peter. Percy, again it's hard to know. If he's not in the movie, I doubt he'll be killed off (surprise!), but I remember reading that he wanted to come back for the 7th movie... and if he does all he has to do is look at his dad and come back to fight.

I would kill someone at Warner Bros. if they didn't include an important death. I think we can skim over the Creevy-like deaths, but the ones lilke Lupin and Fred and b Bellatrix and Snape and Tonks should not be missed. And I think it would make fans sadder if they left them out. For example, Lupin is my favourite, I cried so much. But if they leave out his death then...*evil eyes*

I hope they do that. There should have been a death scene for him!


Not sure 'bout Dobby. Really not sure. Peter is quite likely, though...he messed up everyone's lives, basically...we need to see what he deserves...

I think that most of the deaths are going to be included. I dont think there gonna show when Hedwig dies, only because i dont think there gonna show the part when Harry and Hagrid are on the motorbike and stuff. But they should show most of the deaths in the book, as most of them are very important.

Well, I don't think they will include Dobby's death. Up until this point I have, but now I do not. If you don't know, Toby Jones, the actor who voiced Dobby in CoS, was interviewed by MTV. (As I don't know how to create a link, I will just say that this article was on the VTM front page today, November 26, 2007.) He said that nobody has approached him about returning to voice Dobby in any movies. This worries me, because as all casting for HBP is complete, that means he will not be returning for it. So don't you think it would be a little strange if all of a sudden Dobby shows up to help Harry after 5 movies of not being mentioned? I think so, which is why I think they will cut Dobby out of the movie, but leave all the rest of the deaths in it.

I don't see how they can leave out Dobby though because he was the one that saves them all. I guess it is possible, but I will be disappointed if they do.

J.K.Rowling just wouldn't let it happen. She can only say so far but the script writers should and most likely will. Include something if J.K asks. I think they'll include all the deaths except colin Creevy as he wont have such a major impact on the auidence. Well i mean thosse who haven''t read the books.

I am getting worried about Dobby though. As he hasn't been in the films since the 2nd one. They will need to include Dobby because Malfoy Manor was a really exciting and emotional chapter. Dobby was sort of at the center of it. So they should include it as i can't see they can get round it anyway.

If they took out some of the deaths. The film would not live up to my standard. For certain.


I like Dobby, Ygraine but i completley agree with you. It is going to look wierd now. I don't think he is in HBP. So it's going to feel wierd, having him turn out the blue, like you say. Though none the less i really want that scene in there.

That would be bad to not honr who dies but, I think they will put as many as possible without making it too hard. I hope they show Lupin and Tonks and Colin fighting and dying.

If some deaths aren't included? That will be awesome.

It's bad enough reading it. I don't want to see it on screen, too! I don't see why anyone would. You already know it happens. The stupid thing would be if they showed them again in the movie after the character should have been dead. I mean, don't show it, but don't keep a dead character alive. Just don't mention the character again during the movie. The exception is Bellatrix. We gotta see that. And that Voldemort guy. But they should shorten Harry's and his little speech. They'll have to, so people don't have to go home, shower and eat and then come back.

Don't show Dobby and the knife and everything, just his grave and "Here lies Dobby, a free elf". They won't be able to include everything, or there will be pauses actually made into the movie script every few hours for bathroom breaks and stuff.

It'll be terrible if they cut out loads of deaths. They are so major to the plot, it'll just be completely ruined if they missed a load of them out.

I don't think they'll have Charity Burbage's - I think they'll skip that chapter completely.
Hedwig - yes, she's been a major part of Harry's life. But still, I'm not sure if they'll cut th part of the story or not.
Scrimgeour - well we won't see it (obviously), but that's the whole reason why they flee, so they need to have that it really.
Dobby - I doubt it. Althought I'd like that to be in, they've already cut him from HBP.
Colin - Nope, he hasn't been in the last couple of films, so they'll probably kill the Nigel kid instead.
Peter/Crabbe - I'm not too sure about these, they could be, but they might not.

The rest, I think, will definately be included. I really don't think they should cut any deaths at ll, but they probably will with the minor characters.

~Amy <3

Okay I absolutely love Dobby and was in tears when he died, but I do not think his death will be included in the film, even though it should. I don't think Colin Creevy's death will be included, he was in one film. I think Wormtail's death should be in the film, but who knows. Crabbe's death might be in the film, it kind of depends on how long the writers and director want it to be. Scrimgeour's death will be mentioned when the ministry falls. I think that they should include Hedwig's death, I know that she wasn't an extremely important character, but it would be kind of weird if there is just no Hedwig in the last film. And if they cut some of the major deaths like Fred and Bellatrix, I will cry.

I think they really need to have these three deaths, and of course Lupin and Tonks. Dobby's death is not only is very sad but it also brings about the Trio getting help from the Golbin's, since he sees Harry digging Dobby's grave. That is a pivotal moment of the book, and brings about Harry getting the horcrux.

As for Fred's death, as much as I hated that Fred died, if he is still alive at the end of the movie their will be an uproar from the fans. I just don't see how they can keep him alive, when we all know that he dies, other then not including the twins in the movie. And I just do not see how they could not include the twins in this movie. However, I think if they wanted to that they could not have Percy. It seems like the only reason Percy returns is so that he can be there when Fred dies, I think they could change this and make it so George is with him when it happens. I never understood why the twins were not together when it happens. It still makes me mad, that we were shown Percy's grief for Fred and Not George's. So basically I think if they do make any changes to Fred's death, it should be to put his twin with him, since not only would it make it way more dramatic but it would also be a hundred times sadder. Then again seeing George stumbling across the Great Hall to get to Fred's corpse makes me tear up as well.

Snape needs to be killed the exact way that he was died in the book, his death was so cruel in the sense that he was basically cast aside by Volty, and I well for a brief moment I felt vindicated in my new found hate of Snape but the moment that Harry saw that memory and realized what had really happened, I was devested that he had lost Snape as well. Thus I think having Snape's death playing out actually like it does will not only be dramatic but very heart wenching.

I also hope that we see Tonks and Lupin die, I felt cheated that they were just deposited their without a proper death scence, but I am not sure if they will actually give them one.

I would be very shocked if they just dropped Dobby back into the series in the last movie. At this point it's really too late anyways, as much of the emotion would be lost (in the context of the movies at least) because he has not been present and there has been no build up with his character for those who have only seen the movies.

In the end I think it will hurt the movie, as I felt it was one of the more emotional moments of the book. Hopefully they will be able to make up for it somehow.

As for the problem of escaping Malfoy Manor, if the movies follow the suit of their predecessors, then it will be Neville that gets Harry's message and comes to the rescue...hehe.

They definitely need to keep the major-character deaths in there. Moody, Hedwig, Wormtail, Fred, Snape, Tonks, Lupin, Bella...Voldemort. Derka derka.

I think the only way Dobby will make it in there is if they put him in the sixth film. Personally, I think they should put him back in there since he and Kreacher are featured more than once. They kept Kreacher, so I just don't understand why they can't throw Dobby back in the mix. It won't be hard. It may not be as touching on screen, but if he's in the movies, it would add more.

The smaller characters will probably only get mentions or camera scans. Crabbe may be an easy death to do since all they have to do is lose him in the RoR. I would rather them not keep characters alive though. For instance, I do not want to see Tonks and Lupin alive at the end of the movie. As much as I love them, they need to be dead. And I hope they portray the deaths well. I was disappointed with what they did with Sirius. (And I seemed to be the only one.)

If some deaths aren't included in the movie David Yates is going to get quite the 'strongly worded letter' (inside joke ). I think that they need to keep all of the important deaths in the movie because there's alot of favorite charecters (Fred )who die. I think that they really should have Tonks, Lupin, Dobby, Hedwig, Fred, Snape, Wormtail, and Bell and Voldi. I also think that they should include Crabbe. Also there should be a couple seconds of morning for Collin too.

I really hope they don't change too much, especialy the significant things. As much as I didn't like some of the deaths in the books I would still want to see the films staying as true to them as possible.

Lupin, Tonks, Snape, Fred. I can't imagine their deaths being left out.

When Hedwig and Dobby died I was really upset. Their deaths probably upset me most. Where the death of Tonks made me angry with her. If they leave out Dobby's death I'm going to be so angry. I'll probably plan to boycott the DH movie, but then not have the nerve to do it. lol

I agree with you on the Dobby point. I'll be very upset. But so far in the movie series, they have left off on house elves. They didn't even have spew! So it's likely they won't have Dobby's death. Actually, I think they might use Kreacher instead. They make you love him, save harry and his friends, then kill him. Perfect!

Mad-eyes death is the most important death in the book (besides voldemorts). When mad-eye died, "it" really hit Harry and made him realize how dangerous the journey is and that it actually begun. This is one of the deaths that i feeel MUST be included in the movie.

To be honest I think they will include all the deaths. The deaths are important to the storyline. I deffienatly do not want Dobby, Hedwig, Lupin, Wealsey or Voldemorts death to be left out. I know they cannot leave out voldemort i just thought i would put it in there just in case they are thinking about it.

Now that i really think about it they may leave out some deaths but include their bodies in the line at the end, because to be honest we dont actually see many deaths at the end, we just here about them.

omg i dont want to see dobby die, or snape. god i love snape, will we see his memories? i do hope so.

If Fred doesn't die that will make me never watch another HP movie again... It's PART OF THE BOOK plus people know who he is which makes it impossible to just include him in the opening scene and not the rest of the movie without knowing what happened. Lupin is a little different because his death was so quiet in the book but then again, since they are doing the epilogue, you will have to know why his son is on his own....

I won't take the last movie seriously if they don't have all the deaths in it because each and every death is a crucial part of the series

If they don't involve all of the deaths, some people may not really feel the full effect of the evil in Voldemort. The deaths are a heart wrenching time in the final book, and since they left out so many things in the Half Blood Prince, they should have the dignity to include the major parts of the last film. If there is as much missing in the Hallows as the Prince, I will lose all respect that I had for the directors and writers because theyu just let it all fall to pieces! They better show every single death to demonstrate the shock for the families of the deceased and the viewers of the movie!

i dont think that dobby's death will be in the movie... come on he has to be in other movies before this could happen.... he is just not important enough for ppl that dont read the books to really care about. and even some would not even understand what been a free elf is all about... any way all the other deaths should be in the movie because all those characters have been in most of the others if not all.... but hey this is just my option

never fear, dobby's death will most likely be in the movie, because dobby is confirmed to return for DH. And Fred, Lupin, Tonks, Hedwig, Grindelwald, Moody, Voldemort (obviously), Bellatrix, and Snape all have to be in there. Maybe Colin Creevey's won't, but oh well. As long as the others are.

The death has been filmed, there was an article in The Sun i few months ago. It looks like it will be as sad as the book

The link contains pictures of hermione carrying Dobby and Harry digging his grave

It's here

that is too sad. it is way worse actually seeing it. but it looks like the movie will live up to its expectations. Poor Dobby. Dobby and Hedwig were the deaths that absolutely killed me. no pun intended lol.

I think they should try to stick to as many deaths as possible. The biggest and most emotional one for them to show would be hedwig's death. they also should mention moody's, Lupins, and Tonks, since you never see themdie all they have to do is mention it and show lupin back with the resurection stone. The other two deaths they need to show is one dobby's. His will beanother emotional blow for Harry. The other one is Freds. his comes at an interesting time since Percy has just come back. The one i most want to see is Snape's. I cant wait to see when Snape shows Harry hes always been Dumbledores! It will be interesting to see how they handle all the deaths in DH.

Yeah well I want them to actually show Lupin and Tonks's deaths. I thought that JK underdramatized those, mainly because she didnt intend to kill them off in the first place. It would be good if they were shown.

I hope they include all of the deaths, it wouldnt be the same if they took some of them out. Because most of these people have been in the story line a lot and not having them die, would make the movie not as good for me. I hope that they include all of them because if their making the movie in 2 parts there should be enough time to include all of the deaths.

If you think about it though most of the deaths are at key plot points which will most likely be in the film: Dobby(Malfoy manor), Fred(battle) Hedwig(The Seven Potters) etc

Strange question but what does everyone think about Colin Creevey's death, because he hasn't been in the films since COS, but obviously has been mentioned in the books so would it not be really random if he suddenly just died?

Maybe they'll cut Voldemort's death, just to shake things up

I think that all of the Major deaths will be included in the movie (Mad-eye, Hedwig, Dobby, Fred, Lupin, Tonks) because otherwise I think it would cause to much of an uproar and I dont think that they are going to want to deal with that. But they will probably keep out some of the minor ones.