I like this question a lot. I like it so much that a few posts back this is what I thought Severus' boggart would be. His fear of failing. This was such a tall order for him to fulfill. His reasons were his own of course. He didn't want to let Lily down; he really didn't care for Harry all that much. He also learned to trust Dumbledore in a way that no one else ever did. For Severus, Dumbldore was his lifeline. He was the one Snape turned to when he felt there was no hope. For Severus to fail, would not only meant failing Lily...again, but failing Dumbledore-the only one who believed in him completely.
Honestly, I think on his deathbed Snape didn't feel like he failed. I think that he realized how capable Harry was, even for the mediocre wizard he believed him to be. When Harry got into the castle and by his mere presence stirred up the students to rebel against the Death Eaters, I think it was at that moment Severus knew as long as he got the information to Harry, as long as Harry understood Dumbledore's plan and Snapes part in it, that Harry would succeed. I think that is why instead of trying to bombard Harry with lessons, or helpful hints on defeating Voldemort, Severus was confident in Harry's skill and problem solving abilities that he rested securly knowing that he could leave this earth looking into the eyes of the women he loved through her son.

Oh my gosh where is everyone?

I was just curious as to what everyone thought Severus' preferred more; Potions or the Dark Arts?

We all know that he was completely obssessed with the Dark Arts because Lupin told us so in Prisioner of Azkaban. He said that Snape knew more about the Dark Arts as a new student then any other student there.

But from Half Blood Prince, we know that Severus improved upon several if not all of the Potions in his Advanced Potions Book. Why would he bother doing that unless he really liked Potions? I wonder if Severus had a bit of over achiever in him as does Hermione...perhaps he just felt like he needed to be the best in each subject and thus improving upon the Potions was just a way to give him an edge over the other students, particularly James Potter.

Okay so lets get this thread going again and give Ashley something to read when she has time to get back to VTM. Besides, she still needs to name a Snape Devotee so lets give her a head start on April

Hello, Snapettes!

I know a few of you were aware, but for the sake of reiterating... My computer had crashed in the past week or so, which is why I was unable to come and post in SOSS. It is back up and running now, but I have lost all of my programs, including the one which I used to make icons. This poses a question for the upcoming SOSS Devotee, but I'll get to that in a second. First of all, I'll make the announcement.



From this post, you've given so much great insight that I personally enjoyed to hear, as I'm sure others did. Congratulations on Devotee!

As I started to say earlier, I am currently limited with my icon-making abilities, and therefore I would like to know whether you Snapettes would like me to ask another person to make the Devotee icons, or whether you'd like me to try with this other program I have, but they won't have the Harry Potter fonts. I'll be curious for your feedback. Thank you.

Now for some questions.

Here are the ones that were asked previously that are still awaiting answers:

• Throughout his job of protecting Harry did Snape ever fear failing this task? In his dieing moments did he think he had failed?

• I was just curious as to what everyone thought Severus' preferred more; Potions or the Dark Arts?

And here are a few more for you all to ponder:

• Pretend that Severus was never killed in Deathly Hallows. In fact, the Order came on top and everyone lived (well, not the Dark Lord obviously). Where do you see Severus ten years down the road? Twenty? Fifty? Use those imaginations!
• Who on the Hogwarts staff do you see Severus fighting with more than any other, and why? What do they fight over?

Also, I will be gone next Tuesday the 22nd until that Friday on a school trip to Chicago, so activity will be limited from me. I will do what I can to get on as much before then though, so lets attack these questions!

Ashley

Hi all thankyou Ashley so much for chosing me as Devotee for the month! I've never been one before so I'm very excited - it made my horribly miserable day actually, I cried because I rearranged my room and I have 2 collectible replica wands a DD one and a Voldie one and they were on my top shelf and in the process of moving them the DD one fell and snapped and I was so sad, it lit up and everything now it'll never work again

Anyhoo my computer is playing up severly and it took me ages to even get onto this page and then I thought I couldn't reply but it's all good I'm here...I personally am fine with your icon making abilities, and I do like the HP font alot but if you feel the pressure is too much feel free to pass it on, but if it's a question of quality I think your suffice quite nicely as I looked at Anneche's devotee one and I really like it!

I was just curious as to what everyone thought Severus' preferred more; Potions or the Dark Arts?
Ooomy immediate reaction is that Potions is a subject he enjoys, it's what he really loves truly, and naturally he has a talent or it. However I see the dark arts as being his resort to "fit in." He may have an incling for a bad streak but seeing how he behaved with Lily his love for the dark arts only streamed from his need to fit ni and have friends. He had to like it, fall in with the right (well in his mind) crowd, I believe at the start he would have hated it but it's a choice between being apart of it or being the victim of it I believe, he chose to be apart of it and got caught up. He may enjoy it now for the true benefits of it, and the chance to rekindle the skills he learnt as opposed to the horrible things he probably did whereas potions is his natural talent. Like Harry likes DADA but his talent is Quidditch. He wanted to teach dark arts to possibly protect Harry as he promised to do who knows but it also may have been to easy for him to slip back into his old ways, go back to what was comfortable for so long, yet he needed to change, he wasn't that person anymore imagine longing for a subject that lead to the murder of the one person he loved, the subject that could be the corruption of so many others. That must have been horrible to have that internal battle. So I'll say potions his true talent and enjoyment.

Just one I'll come back for my own...oops...and the other one

Who on the Hogwarts staff do you see Severus fighting with more than any other, and why? What do they fight over?
Haha I have a couple, but I still like to think Sev is a softy deep down, and in any severe circumstance unless in the presence of Voldie being forced to watch him kill a teacher I believe he wouldn't do any serious damage to someone. But for some odd reason I can just see him exploding at Filch, I have no idea why, just many years of listening to his complaining and rules I can just see him snapping! Or Trelawney, though not sure why, maybe to get the rest of the prophecy out of her? Perhaps it would be an angry fight not directly aimed at her but rather the situation he was in when she was giving the prophecy, she was involved so he may take his anger out on her?

That's all for me now it's past middnight here so it's bed time but thanks again Ashley for my devoteeness And come back everyone where are you all???

EDIT: Oh and Ashley in my rush before I didn't read your post properly so sad that your computer crashed, ok now I get why you're going to have issues making icons, ah I understand well if no one else volunteers I'm patient I can wait

Hello everyone (or whomever is lurking in the shadows)!

I'm back from my trip, and I must admit that I'm shocked that nothing has changed since I left... Where are all of the Snapettes? We're all busy-bodies I guess.

There were only three entries in the entire month of April. This provides a problem for Devotee of the Month when the two people that aren't the president have both recently received the Devotee award. Therefore, for April there will be no Devotee award.

I do however intend on being able to congratulate a member for May, so let's get to posting everyone!

Oh no! A broken wand, you say, drinotonks? That would upset me too. I'm glad that the Devotee Award made you feel better though!

There are four wonderful questions awaiting members two posts above mine. Let's get the conversation going again by posting, eh?

Ashley

Hi,
This is Priya and am new in this club...

I will try to give anwers to your questions, Ashley.

* Throughout his job of protecting Harry did Snape ever fear failing this task? In his dieing moments did he think he had failed?

I dont think Snape ever failed in protecting Harry in any way. He was doing it for Lily, so no chance that he failed to protect him, eventhough he saw him only as James s son more than Lily s. And when he learned eventually, from Dumbledore that Harry had to die, he did ask Dumbledore that all these years, it was to save her son.

* I was just curious as to what everyone thought Severus' preferred more; Potions or the Dark Arts?

I dont think he prefered Dark Arts more than potions, but he prefered DADA more than potions. He always kept in mind the fact that lily hated Dark Arts. Although, I wondered why he just didnt stick to potions (where Lily was a natural) and asked Dumbledore to get him a post of DADA?


* Pretend that Severus was never killed in Deathly Hallows. In fact, the Order came on top and everyone lived (well, not the Dark Lord obviously). Where do you see Severus ten years down the road? Twenty? Fifty? Use those imaginations!

After ten years, he would be the same Professor Snape who taught potions at hogwards or maybe perhaps, DADA. Harry would, obviously ensure that everyone knew the truth about how Snape worked for Dumbleodre and was always on the order s side (perhaps, excluding Snape s love for Lily).
After 30-50 years, I think he might replace Professore MacGonagal as the Headmaster of Hogwards.

* Who on the Hogwarts staff do you see Severus fighting with more than any other, and why? What do they fight over?

I dont think Snape ever had a fight with hogwards teachers, expect with MacGonagal while the battle was on, otherwise he looks like a very quiet person, on his own. Although he may have a row with Pomfry, MacGonagal or Flintwik (miss spelled) about giving unnecesarry detensions to students

~Welcome Priya to the SOSS! We are not usually this slow but most everyone is busy with exams and work and then the virus that infected VTM slowed us all down but we should pick up soon

I unfortunately have to disagree with you on which he preferred. I think Snape adored the Dark Arts. I think they held a fascination for him that was almost like an addiction. We know from Remus Lupin in Prisoner of Azkaban that Snape arrived at Hogwarts with more knowledge about the Dark ARts then anyone else in that year. He took his own time time improve upon and create Dark Magic Spells. I think the difference between that and his potions ability was that he was just really good at potions and he liked it well enough but it didn't tingle his toes the way the Dark Arts did.
To say that he always kept in mind that Lily hated the dark arts was the thing that kept Severus in check from getting too far immersed in them is inacurate. Severus effectually chose the Dark Arts over Lily when he continued his association with the friends he had and called her 'mudblood'. Severus had at least five years to, like Sirius, see that the dark arts were bad news despite the pressure he must have been feeling being a Slytherin and yet he made the choice to lose Lily instead.
We must also remember that when he applied at Hogwarts many years ago, he applied for the Defense agaisnt the Dark Arts position and Dumbledore would not give it too him because Dumbledore knew that Severus liked them too much. He thought perhaps that he would have a relapse into the Dark Arts. So instead, he got the potions position which he was a natural at in ability as well.

On another subject, I adore SEverus don't get me wrong but I think that people don't get him. Yes, he ended up being on the side of the Order and being loyal to Dumbledore but I somehow think that it wasn't as simple as Severus suddenly discovering what a monster Voldemort was. I think part of the charm of Severus' character is that he was quite self serving. I think that he would have faithfully continued to serve Voldemort as long as those activities stayed far away from Lily. Remember when Snape first sought that meeting with Dumbledore to ask for protection for Lily when he found out Voldemort though baby Harry was the boy of the prophecy? He cared not if James or Harry were murdered...just as long as Dumbledore protected Lily. Only after Dumbledore called Severus on his double standard in that area did he consent...reluctantly to all of the Potters being hidden.
What do you guys think? I mean don't we love Severus because he truly is a bad boy too?

I cant help but to agree with you, nevillesgirl.

you turned my whole point of view, and for the good, of course.
you are right, he entered Hogwards carring a knowledge about Dark Arts and he was proud of being called Death Eater back at hogwards.. I thought that after calling Lily mudblood and after her not talking to him made him realise the dark arts are worthless. But then he did turn out to be a Death Eater in the near future. Yes, and he did made the choice to loose Lily instead. And then, there s this Sectempsempra, that proves he was obssed with dark arts.. But I still think he had an ability in potions beacause of Lily but that doent explain the instructions in the old book of potions which Harry laid his hands on.... Could it be because of Lily that he too tried hard to be perfect in potions?

I don't know that Severus' motivation to be outstanding in Potions was Lily. I mean, I tend to see Severus' character as one who was internally intelligent. What I mean by this is when comparing him to like Sirius or James who were flaunting their intelligence and athletic grace and social skill through out the school, SEverus did not. He kept his knowledge to himself, developing and improving upon potions and spells. I think Severus had the desire to be less then ordinary. He aspired for greatness and because of this desire, he was sorted into Slytherin and did his best to excel in subjects he thought important. Notice we don't hear about his charms or divination abilities.

I still think that while he was practically flawless in Potions, his great love (other then Lily) was the Dark Arts.

Maybe, you are right... maybe he did have an internal intelligence... but I still stand by my words...anyways, We better not argue about it, its against the rules... And, I am now convinced (as I mentioned earlier) that he was interested in Drak Arts.

anyways, do you agree with my other answers?

* Pretend that Severus was never killed in Deathly Hallows. In fact, the Order came on top and everyone lived (well, not the Dark Lord obviously). Where do you see Severus ten years down the road? Twenty? Fifty? Use those imaginations!

You know, I think it is possible that Severus may have continued at Hogwarts simply because it was a comfort zone for him. He was used to the post there for over fourteen years but somehow I think he may not have wanted that. Being around the school would mean being constantly reminded of Dumbledore and that life he was forced to take. And let's be honest shall we? Severus is like one of those teachers who teach simply to get the summer vacations off and paid. He never really enjoyed teaching or kids for that matter. I think he would want some solitude after all the drama of war was over. I think he has had enough of the limelight and would want to quietly fade from the picture. We all know that it would take a long time for the wizarding world to admit that he wasn't the monster they thought him to be. We can only imagine how Harry got the wizengamot and Ministry of Magic to exonorate him from crimes they thought Severus was guilty of.
My fondest wish is that Severus would let go of the past and the loves of the past and open up his heart and mind to the possibility of new love...Perhaps with Hermione.
Yes, I had to sneak that one in there as it is my favorite "ship"


~ We aren't arguing...we just have a differing opinion on something. The truth is Severus was brilliant at both Potions and the Dark Arts. And it is possible that his motivation for doing so well in Potions was Lily...I just don't happen to think it is and you do. That's okay. Believe me, if we were arguing...the Mods would definatly let us know.

Yes, you might be true about Snape fade up of teaching but where would he be if he left the school? And, yes, I can think that he would have willingly left the job because he didnt like the students.. Would he ever join the ministry? as an auror? I think he might end up in ministry...but not as an Auror..



I would never have thought of that....

Most people don't ever think about Snape and Hermione together...there is a fantastic ship thread and some great fanfiction out there concerning this pairing.

Somehow I don't think Severus would end up at the ministry. They are not his style. Also as for where he would go, Severus is a very capable wizard. I think he wouldn't want to be found. I think he would settle in a small villiage and finish out his life in seclusion and privacy.

ya, he is a man who would really want some peace and privacy but what about his living? how would he survive without galleons? or would he have saved enough?

Something tells me that Severus has wealth. He grew up poor and knew what it was like to struggle so I figure that once he graduated from Hogwarts and became an employee of the school, he saved his paycheck. He had room and board and food. He isn't like the Malfoys who prized themselves on material things so I don't see him spending his money frivolously. I think the only things I see him spending his money on are potion ingredients. So he would have 14 years of savings to live off of.

I think if Severus were to work, it would be doing something privately. I read a fanfic somewhere where he was a researcher for a potions company and that company provided him anonymity.

*Hides head in shame* I'm back, finally. My mind has been so crazy I haven't thought about sneeking over to VTM in forever. Well, here I am again after a long time.


Pretend that Severus was never killed in Deathly Hallows. In fact, the Order came on top and everyone lived (well, not the Dark Lord obviously). Where do you see Severus ten years down the road? Twenty? Fifty? Use those imaginations!

*looks side to side* Am I supposed to say this..? But acually, when I finally post chapter one, my fanfic "Dear Snape" is based off what I think would happen if Snape lived after DH. But my answer: Ten years, maybe even up to fifty, I can see him at Hogwarts teaching, because it was a place he seemed at home and really enjoyed. (Minus teaching snotty Gryffindors ) Snape really seemed to be at home when he was teaching at Hogwarts, and he had memories with Lily at Hogwarts also.
For the main reason of remembering, I think Snape would still be at Hogwarts after the war was over. Lily had been there, Dumbledore had been there, their spirits both were still there with Snape, and though he may not like teaching students, he was used to Hogwarts, it was his "home away from home". He has a senestive side I believe, and I think he's a "softy" when it comes to Hogwarts.
Besides where Snape would be phyiscally, I believe Snape would be a little different. Example: If Snape had still been bitten by Voldemort's snake, and lived, I think Severus would have those memories of laying there in the Shrieking Shack, bleeding, close to death. He might have nightmares of how close to death he acually came, and may become even more reclusive than he already had been. Snape already had so many bad memories that clouded his thoughts, and if he had come close to death, it would be one more thing that clouded his thoughts.
Maybe after a few years, the thoughts would gradually begin disinigrate, and he wouldn't think about it so often, and gradually his life would go to back to the routine he had before.
Fifty years later, Snape would finally find his place in the world, because his entire life he battled whether or not he was on the "good" side or the "bad" side- he never really knew where he stood in life, and after the memories finally began to fade, and he began to find himself after so many years, he may die alone, by himself, at Hogwarts, but he'd finally be happy, and know why he was put in the world.

Where'd everybody go!?

nevillesgirl,
yes, he might have saved some... whoever wrote that fanfic. awesome way to express his knowledge in potions..

HarryPotterIsLife,
yes, I too think the same way.. he found hogwards as his home, so, he would keep teaching at hogwards.

Yeah, I totally agree with both above posts.

Snape was one of those cases mentioned often in the series, where the individual finds his home at Hogwarts. This was one of the similarities shared by Harry Potter, Lord Voldemort, and Severus Snape. I feel he in fact relates to Voldemort even more than I first thought.

I feel that Snape would want to pass on his knowledge (preferably DADA but Potions as well) to the students, hoping that they would gain from his knowledge and become masters in that subject. Voldemort wanted to do basically the same thing, however he wanted those students to then join his cause. So I feel because of the rough nature of Snape and how similarly he feels about Hogwarts, he would teach there for a very long time.

However, I don't think he would change his ways at all...I still think he would be just as formidable as he always was.

Ya, he would definately not change his ways of teaching and in our words, "harrasing" the students...

but I don't think he would like to be pass on his knowldge to students just because he wished the students would gain knowledge... He would teach there because he considered Hogwards as his home and would like to spent his life there...



Here's my question( I just thought of it): If Severus Snape was alive after the death of Lord Voldemort and if everyone knew the truth about him(leaving the Lily part away), what do you think, will his altitude change? Will he be kinder towards the students, or Lupin or Harry?

I wondered about Snape's boggart also. I think he most fears weakness or vulnerability(his own) and I don't know how that would be portrayed as a boggart. I never thought of it being a dead Harry....maybe.


If Severus lived after Voldemort died, I don't think that much would change for him. I think his attitude and demeanor were shaped by many aspects of his life.....his sad childhood, lonely adolescence, unrequited love, mistakes of his past along with his connection to Voldemort. I think taking Voldemort out of the picture would provide him with a sigh of relief to no longer be in grave danger working as a double agent, he still would be an unhappy man. I don't think he would treat Harry or Lupin any different.

welcome, moxi0206!

I think his boggort would the sence about him and Lily going apart or James and Lily togather..like Ron had a vision of Harry and Hermione..

and I, too think that he would treat Harry any different.. he always saw Harry as James's son than Lily's...only he helped him as a devotion to Lily.

~Welcome to SOSS moxi0206! We are a bit slow around here at the moment but we have the most amazing members...once they pop in after their lives let them go for a bit of fun.

I don't know about Snape's boggart being a fear of weakness. I always imagined him hating being teased or being thought a coward. I think his boggart would take the form of himself cowering in a corner either as a child or adult with either his father or James and Sirius picking on him or perhaps someone he respected, such as Dumbledore calling him a coward.
One of my favorite scenes in the books are when Harry is in persuit of Snape and Malfoy in Half Blood Prince and Harry is shouting at Snape "Coward!" and Snape responds with venom in his voice, "Don't call me coward!"

I think Severus feeling the way he did and knowing what he knew about his own precarious position as spy/Death Eater hated the fact that so many though he was scared to fight or pick a side.

Thanks for the welcomes! I'm realtively new to HP world. I just recently finished reading thel 7 books in rapid sucession.
I'm a big Snape fan.

I also think you may be right about the coward thing.

I think that Severus Snape definately deserved a second chance. To the careful reader, his true colors shined brightly through the long hair and the dark mark.

Pretend that Severus was never killed in Deathly Hallows. In fact, the Order came on top and everyone lived (well, not the Dark Lord obviously). Where do you see Severus ten years down the road? Twenty? Fifty? Use those imaginations!

I believe that Snape's death was a low blow. Complete and total unfairness if you ask me. Anywho if he had lived, I see him becoming a man of great power. He would re-start his life, probably go back to teaching. Find himself someone to grow old with. I don't know why but I get the vague impression that he would have changed his ways. Which brings about this question:

If Severus Snape was alive after the death of Lord Voldemort and if everyone knew the truth about him(leaving the Lily part away), what do you think, will his altitude change? Will he be kinder towards the students, or Lupin or Harry?

As I said I definately think, that given that much deserved second chance, he would definately have been kinder and more sincere, less of a shady sort of character. Harry knew, from Snape's memory that James had never been very nice to him. We can't blame Severus for doing anything except having a rough childhood. Can we blame him? How do we know that it wasn't his suffering that led him to become a Death Eater?

Everyone knows that all Sev ever really needed was a hug
~Veritaserum14~

I too think, Sev opted for becoming a death eater because of this dark past... he was hated by his father, his mom was a bit stern and James and Sirius always harrassed him.. and maybe that's the reson why he lothed the children...but we have to admit, it must have took a great deal out of him to turn as a spy on Lord Voldemort.....changing our ways to live life is very difficult..

It's been ages since I've posted in here, and I miss it!

If Severus Snape was alive after the death of Lord Voldemort and if everyone knew the truth about him(leaving the Lily part away), what do you think, will his altitude change? Will he be kinder towards the students, or Lupin or Harry? Nope, he wouldn't change his attitude. Snape is Snape, and whether people heralded him as a sort of hero or not wouldn't change the manner of the man. He would still harbor those same resentments and prejudices that make him who he is - and he would treat the students as he always had, favoring the Slytherins.

We can't forget that however much James et al tormented Severus, Severus was equally trying to curse and torment them when he could. We just didn't see him in action because those would have been, not some of his worst memories, but some of his best. I truly believe that Severus was a Death Eater for the sense of family that that particular group granted him; and I think he wouldn't have ended up as a Death Eater if he had not been places in Slytherin. As Dumbledore said, perhaps they sort too soon. His friends, their twisted ideologies, shaped his attitude - and though he later regretted his involvement; his remorse was not for all of the wrong he had committed as a Death Eater or for even becoming one. His remorse was that Voldemort killed Lily when Snape had pleaded with him not to do so. Years after that, with Dumbledore's help, he certainly saw his past wrongs - but I don't believe that this changed who he was. And I'm glad for it.

Hmm. That was rambly and probably nonsensical. Sorry.


Pretend that Severus was never killed in Deathly Hallows. In fact, the Order came on top and everyone lived (well, not the Dark Lord obviously). Where do you see Severus ten years down the road? Twenty? Fifty? Use those imaginations! I think he would be happy with a little recognition for his part, but I don't honestly see him changing that much. I think he would like to be headmaster of Hogwarts legitimately, though, and perhaps he would go back to that position. I don't see him finding anyone else, unlike Veritaserum14, for no one on Earth could ever live up to his idealized memories of perfect Lily Evans. He wouldn't give anyone the chance. He would remain devoted to her till death; no matter when his death occurred.


I like what Neville's girl said about Snape's boggart, and she's probably right on the money! I would be willing to bet that his boggart used to involve the death of Lily, but after that unthinkable thing occurred - it must have been something else. I have theories, but I'm too tired to type them. They probably won't make sense anyways!

okay, I got one question..

What do you think, that made Snape loath the students and treat all (expect Slytherines) as if they were all scums?

this question has always bothered me... but it keeps coming back that it was because o his own dark childhood..what do you all think?

My goodness. I really should've taken a moment or two to put schoolwork aside long enough to post... Regardless, it's summertime now and I plan on being a real leader of this wonderful thread now, which I definitely have been lacking in lately.

First off, we have a new Devotee for the month of May...



Your participation in upholding the conversation has been tremendous during the past few weeks, and I thoroughly thank you for that! That is exactly what this thread needs to keep everyone motivated to post.

Now, how about some questions. The first one is one that our Devotee just asked, but for the sake of reitterating...

What do you think made Snape loath the students and treat all (except Slytherins) as if they were all scum?

It can be universally acknoweldged that Snape has a bit of a temper and not-so-sunny disposition. Do you think there was ever a time where he wasn't like that?

If you could give young Severus one bit of advice for the future, what would it be?

Thank you all for putting up with me and my busy schedule. I will be going camping for the weekend, leaving tomorrow, and then soon after I'll be spending a week up in Chicago, but I should be able to post during that weekend.

Until next time...
Ashley

Thank you! Thank you very much! I cannot express my feelings of hw happy I am, it was my dream to contribute my whole and soul here, in Harry Potter disscussion.



It can be universally acknoweldged that Snape has a bit of a temper and not-so-sunny disposition. Do you think there was ever a time where he wasn't like that?

I think when he was in Hogwards as a headmaster, in DH! I came to this conclusion because he he gave Ginny, Neville and others not severe detensions but detensions with Hagrid, maybe he was concerned about them and so, tried to be as soft as possible..

If you could give young Severus one bit of advice for the future, what would it be?

Same as Lily's: not to wonder about with ?Macnair, Avery and his other "Death Eater" friends... and to put his thought about Lily in front of her..

Congratulations, Radcliffefreek!

And yippee for new questions!

What do you think made Snape loath the students and treat all (except Slytherins) as if they were all scum? Snape doesn't tolerate idiocy. And he doesn't suffer eagerness. He prefers the quiet and calculated genius over the ungifted. And he just harbors a lot of hatred of Gryffindors based on his experiences as a student. He hated to see the Gryffindors win the house cup because he never wanted that house to be honored above Slytherin - which is more of a Slytherin quality than necessarily just a Snape thing. I think we get to see the worst of his treatment of students as it relates to James Potter's son to really drive home how much he hated James and how big of a grudge that man could hold!

It can be universally acknoweldged that Snape has a bit of a temper and not-so-sunny disposition. Do you think there was ever a time where he wasn't like that? I think he must have been softer when he first met Lily. I think that temper and disposition were always there for him but not so profound until later. I don't think Lily would have considered him a best friend if he had been like that when she first got to know him. I don't think he was less intimidating when he was headmaster, though. I think he would have had more of a temper during that stressful time.

If you could give young Severus one bit of advice for the future, what would it be? Dude. Let it go! That's what I would have told him!

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What do you think made Snape loath the students and treat all (except Slytherins) as if they were all scum?
I believe it to have been the way that he was raised, that and the fact that he was in Slytherin himself. I believe that his more nursed and most profound hate was for the Gryffindors, he hated them the moment that he met James Potter and the future Marauders. I stand by it though, that this would most likely be becuase of the ideas that his mother taught him as well as everything that both parents put him through. Basically, when he was given the same treatment from other houses as a child, he then decided to return the favor to the future generations. He really didn't have much other choice.

It can be universally acknoweldged that Snape has a bit of a temper and not-so-sunny disposition. Do you think there was ever a time where he wasn't like that?
Probably, but I can't just come right out and say it, as there is no real or particular answer. What can be debated is that he, at one time in his life, was not quite so 'evil'. I wouldn't bargain on it being during his childhood, until, i guess he met Lily. It was she that brought out the inner beuty and hidden character that was the young and loving Snape. Although after his humiliation in front of her, he wanted nothing more to do with Mr. Nice Snape.

If you could give young Severus one bit of advice for the future, what would it be?
"Take care of yourself, watch your back. Don't let your friends be your destruction. Lighten up. There's no harm in a bit of honest kindness, once in a while. Smile." That's my advice for him.

Snape I think needed someone/thing loving and caring with him. Someone/thing that could make him feel the way Lily did....loved.

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Thanks..

yes, that upside-down incident was humiliating.. I think that was the end of Snape's good-manners. After that Lily also stopped talking to him plus, no wonder he was furious on James and Sirius.. yes, that indeed stopped him being nice to everyone..

yes, I would advice him to smile too.. and yes, he definately needed someone who loved him..

*sings* Where oh were have all the Snape fans gone? Where oh were can they be? This thread gets so lonely. I'll answer some questions, see if anyone comes back. I'll make cookies too, maybe the smell of food will have everyone running back!


What do you think made Snape loath the students and treat all (except Slytherins) as if they were all scum?
Hmm, mostly in the way he was raised I think, and also a major fact was that he was treated so horribly by the Maudrers while he was in school, that he just held a grudge against him. Plus, Harry was James and Lily's son, so again- he just had a grudge against him. I also think he just didn't like Gryffindors "I'm-so-brave" attitude. (Think- Harry's acual personality.) He was more conservative person, not one to go out and flaunt how brave and smart he was. I don't see many Slytherins (Except the Malfoys) doing much of that.


It can be universally acknoweldged that Snape has a bit of a temper and not-so-sunny disposition. Do you think there was ever a time where he wasn't like that?
As passerby said, probably the early time of he and Lily's friendship. If he was always such a rain cloud when he first met Lily, I don't think that she would have wanted to know him. I don't think he was as dark as he was in his older years when he was younger, but going through the tourture of the Maudrers, Lily leaving him and having to spy for both Voldemort and Dumbledore made him more short-fused.


If you could give young Severus one bit of advice for the future, what would it be?
"Don't live in the past, realize who the real you is, and don't let people run your life anymore." I'd tell the old git to move on with life, too. And if that didn't work, I'd just hex him

*I finished making cookies, now come on Snapettes, come back!!*

Guess what? One of the Snapetes is back! ... me!

Althought I myslef couldnt visit VTM, no one really replied here since ages, wak up guys.. and thank you, HarryPotterIsLife for making cookies...come on guys, smell them!

Anyways,


HarryPotterIsLife, you correctly mentioned the griffindor part, but what about students of other houses?



lol.. please dont hex him!

Well, I mentioned the Gryffindors mainly because they are such polar oppisite of Slytherins in some sence. I think someone has mentioned before, was it Janet? that he doesn't tolerate idoicy. For some reason, I see that Ravenclaws were second best to Slytherins, because they are classified as "book smart". What the Sorting Hat said in what I think was book one:



Overall, I think Snape was just so miserable most of his life, he needed someone to take it out on. I do believe though, that he might have been crued to some Slytherins, just not as much. I do love our dear old crabby Snape though.

And it wouldn't be a mean hex, just one to tell him to move on in life, and have him realize how many people (Like us!) do love him!


Sam

What do you think made Snape loath the students and treat all (except Slytherins) as if they were all scum?
I guess it had to do with his childhood and how he was hated by everyone except his Slytherin friends. And I believe he treats the Gryffindors way worse than Hufflepuffs and Ravenclaws because it was mostly because of them that he was so miserable ( due to James and his friends ).

It can be universally acknoweldged that Snape has a bit of a temper and not-so-sunny disposition. Do you think there was ever a time where he wasn't like that?
Yes. I think that when he was younger and talked a lot to Lily he didn't have such a temper and was happy all the time like most people who are in love. Then, when he called her a Mudblood in front of a crowd of people, she hated him, and he felt bad. The fact that Lily went out with James and eventually married him would also have made Snape bitter, since he would have to live with the knowledge that his one true love ended up with his worst enemy.

If you could give young Severus one bit of advice for the future, what would it be?
Don't ever call Lily a Mudblood and don't become a Death Eater.

It can be universally acknoweldged that Snape has a bit of a temper and not-so-sunny disposition. Do you think there was ever a time where he wasn't like that?
I think the only time Severus would have had that happiness was when he was when he was still an embryo. I mean his childhood was torture and it was that way before Lily entered his life. While Lily may have given Severus a break from the protective fence he built around his heart and life due to his nasty father, I don't think he was ever sunny with her. I think she always saw this surly person but based on the conversations of ease they had as children, she knew there must be an emotional being in his make-up somewhere. Unfortunately, Severus often hid that from Lily as well.

If you could give young Severus one bit of advice for the future, what would it be?
To make up his own mind and follow his heart no matter what the consequence or cost. Nothing could be worse then being alienated for being on the side of Death. Better to be alienated because he loved more deeply then any of the Death Eaters will ever know.


That's Snape alright! Hermione, the eager beaver was definitely not hight on Snape's list of favorite students. Part of this could be the whole mudblood thing that has been drilled into his brain since he was a student but somehow I think the years of loving Lily has mellowed that part of him. I think Snape has issues with show-offs. He not only hates it when Hermione does it but also when Harry does well in Quidditch. I think he is permanently scarred by the flaunting of James and Sirius and just sees Harry as an extension of that. I was thinking about Neville and why Severus seems to pick on him thoroughly as well. I think this has something to do with Snape being intolorant of anyone lacking common sense or grace. I think perhaps he sees a bit of himself in Neville and it hurts him to see it.

Yes yes, I do agree with you nevillesgirl, with basically everything you said.

And I also wanted to comment that I love your phrase of answering the first question...



a very humorous way of putting and I quite agree! based on our flashbacks into Snape's past, he really has always been shunned upon by muggles and (my guess) witches alike...and this was before Hogwarts. Once he came to Hogwarts we all know he wasn't the most popular or best liked. So I think that right from the start he was ill-tempered and not very socially outgoing.

If I could give him a piece of advice, it would to be your own person. Just because his father (and possibly mother) is nasty does not mean he has to follow suit. He should strive to be unique and develop his own personality. Begin to favor "mudbloods" and steer away from DA and lean towards DADA. Be your own person Severus! That's what I would tell him.

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What do you think made Snape loath the students and treat all (except Slytherins) as if they were all scum?

I myself believe that Snape was fired to treat all students (minus the Slytherins) badly and hate them due to his own childhood. He was treated badly as a kid, and the only time he could ever really be happy was when he was around Lily.

Another thing is that he himself was probably hated by other students (Moony, Padfoot, and Prongs included) and was always an outsider. He was not probably favored by teachers, either, because of his dark ways. Who would favor a kid (besides Voldemort, of course) who would dabble in the Dark Arts and say that it was all in good fun (even after hurting someone.)? I sure wouldn't.

I also know that Snape personally hated Harry because of his father, and that he was the son of the woman he loved and his childhood enemy. When you look at it another way, would Snape really want to favor Harry when he is being a double agent for Dumbledore? He has to make the Dark Lord think that he hates Harry's guts (like he already does...)

When did Severus ever say that his obsession with the Dark Arts was all in good fun? When did he ever hurt someone using the Dark Arts and consider it fun? I don't think this was Snapes disposition at all. I think he found the Dark Arts facinating and just drew a natural course to collecting as much knowledge about them as he could. Dumbledore did the same thing.

I also would like to think that the teachers found Severus brilliant if lacking in social skill a bit.

I was also thinking that if I were to not use his childhood as an excuse why would Severus be nasty to the student body except for Slytherin? Perhaps it was because of what he saw when he attended Hogwarts. Everyone loved Gryffindor. Everyone revered Ravenclaw and everyone gave Hufflepuffs the benefit of the doubt. What did everyone do to Slytherins? They gave them a hard time? They blamed them for every little thing from cheating to someone getting hurt in the halls. Perhaps the reason Severus was nasty to everyone else when he became a teacher was to dish out a bit of what he saw when he was a student upon the houses that did the most dishing? Does that make any sense?

Yes it makes sense and I agree. I also think that Severus became a teacher to excercise power over others. Not always in a bad way and not in a cruel way (when compared to other teachers, maybe a little). But more to fix his childhood. He was so used to being pushed around that he most likely was looking forward to being able not to be pushed around by people. A teacher is one of those people so this power that comes with being a teacher probably attracted the position to him (as well as other reasons).

Yeah, Severus never did Dark Arts for good fun. It was more out of morbid curiosity and love for the subject. He was absolutely fascinated by it and couldn't get enough. Did it lead him to LV? Yes, but was LV the reason why he loved the Dark Arts? No. And I can't ever remember Severus physically hurting someone (besides maybe James and/or Harry), can anyone else? If I'm not mistaken, i think he was all about the theory of Dark Arts and the complexness of it.

One of the things I love about Severus is that he went further then just theorize about the Dark Arts. I love that he invented spells. I think the complexness about the subject is what provided the challenge that captivated his mind. You know the old saying about the way to a man's heart is through his stomach? Well is Severus' case, I think the way to his heart was through his mind.

To reply to nevillesgirl, I was just giving my opinion. The reply I got back seemed a little offended or something of the sort. If you look in the 7th book when Harry sees Snape's memories, Lily is saying to Snape something about his friends being just evil (and also something about hurting a girl in some way) and Snape replies that they didn't mean it and that they were just kidding around. Not his exact words, but pretty close.

Yup, you jsut went one step further than I did and I agree. He loved the theory of the Dark Arts and how complex it was. He loved it so much that he dedicated his life to it; as early as school (when he invented spells). He was just an amazing student who really was passionate about the Dark Arts. He was a really cool character as well because in his later years he enver really hurt anyone (opposite of LV) but still open our minds into the Dark Arts. And what a fascinating world it can be.

Thank you Nick. I agree that Severus was an amazing student whose passion for the Dark Arts is what captivated my attention for him. I like what you said about how in later years he never really hurt anyone (unless he was trying to save them or protect Harry, I think of George's ear at this point) and it was through him that we got to really see the potential of arming ones self with the Dark Arts knowledge.

Does anyone think that Severus would have been such a focused student without his obsession of the Dark Arts?

In regards to Severus' disposition, I just want to say that I don't think I came across as offending and if I did, I apologize. I looked up the point of reference in Deathly Hallows and I want to quote it if that's okay.

Pg. 673 Deathly Hallows.

"...thought we were supposed to be friends?" Snape was saying.
"Best friends?"

We are, Sev, but I don't like some of the people you're hanging roung with! I'm sorry, but I detest Avery and Mulciber! Mulciber! What do you see in him, Sev, he's creepy! D'you know what he tried to do to Mary Macdonald the other day?"

Lily had reached a pillar and leaned against it, looking up into the thin, sallow face.

"That was nothing," said Snape. "It was a laugh, that's all-"

"It was Dark Magic, and if you think that's funny-"
**Then they go on to talk about Potter and the Whomping Willow incident where Severus was almost killed by Remus the werewolf. Then she talks about Avery and Mulciber again on page 674.

"...But Mulciber's and Avery's idea of humor is just evil. Evil, Sev. I don't understand how you can be friends with them."



This passage says exactly what the reference was saying above. Severus was defending his friends. The passage never said that he was performing Dark Magic on Mary Macdonald, just defending Avery and Mulciber. I don't recall anywhere in the books where Severus was performing Dark Magic just for a laugh. He always seemed to be quietly inventing spells or defending himself against James and Sirius who were picking on him...for laughs. Lily sees the "softer" side of Severus and doesn't understand why he has chosen to be friends with such evil people. Severus' disposition was not to go around torturing and hurting people like Tom Riddle or his school friends. Severus learned about the dark arts. He was facinated by them. I think that most of the teachers saw a brilliant student in Severus, not someone of a threat or someone they were going to deduct points from just because he was a student of the dark arts.

Yeah, Snape was just defending his friends and trying to make it sound as if it were nothing to Lily. His interests at that point in the conversation were to please Lily and defend his friends at the same time. So he tried putting it off as a joke of some sort.



Yeah, I agree. He never did hurt anyone unless by accident and that was when he was supposed to have "pledged his true colors as a death eater." And I'm in the same boat. I like how he explored the...good side of knowing about the Dark Arts.

To answer your bolded question. I don't think he would have. If I remember correctly, his parents used to fight lot (or their was some complication with his parents and him). And I know what that can be like when trying toa ttend school and focus. So I think the Dark Arts was a place where he could excel, which was a starting point for his excellence in academics. Without the Dark Arts, he could ahve easily slipped into that crack where some people fall when they go off to school with an unstable situation at home.

I'm thinking I need to make more cookies, S.O.S.S is back up and running!

Now to answer nevillesgirl's question in one of her posts: Does anyone think that Severus would have been such a focused student without his obsession of the Dark Arts?
Yes, I think he would have been a more focused student while at Hogwarts without his obession. He is a brilliant man, and I believe his teachers knew this, but his lack of interest in other classes made them possibly say "Snape is brilliant, with a lack of effort." or something else along those lines.
Also, I don't think the Dark Arts the only thing that affected Snape's focus on school. He was bullied, hexed and picked on all the time by James and Sirius, and obvisouly every person has feelings, and being picked on most likely made him want to stay in bed all day and never go to his classes, because he wouldn't have to endure the tourture from the Mauderers. Even while he had his friendship with Lily, that almost dimished shortly after it began.
Like with anyone who has many problems during their life, Snape had a lot to think about during the day, and even with his obession, he obvisouly did very well while at Hogwarts, because he went on to become a long-lasting Potions/DADA teacher at Hogwarts, invented spells and potions, and became a very intelligent wizard.

Oh, and on a side note: I think his obession helped him become the intelligent wizard he is today, because he invented some very complex spells (Example:sectumsempra).

Sam

I'd have to agree with HarryPotterIsLife. I think that maybe he would've made a great student in all classes, but he just had a severe lack of interest. I also think that his personal life effected his studies more than his obession with the dark arts. On a more positive not, just think of how well Snape did in DADA and Potions. He also became an accomplished spell-maker! (Ex. Sectumsempra. Is that how you spell it?)