Anyone miss me? I missed you guys and the thread.

I haven’t been on S.O.S.S since Jan 9 2008, that’s page 6! I beg your forgiveness, please…Everything has been so busy and I haven’t had much time for myself. But…I’m back now

Firstly, welcome anyone and everyone who is new to S.O.S.S. And hello to all members.

Because I have missed so much, I have looked through the thread and picked out the questions I would like to answer so my post might be long but I‘m not feeling to ‘in-depth‘ right now (not feeling well). Here I go…

In the upcoming Half Blood Prince movie, what scene are you most looking forward to seeing Alan portray?
Without a doubt, for me it’s the scene in which he has to kill Dumbledore. I’m craving to see the emotion in his face and eyes when he carries out the deed.

Who on the Hogwarts staff do you see Severus fighting with more than any other, and why? What do they fight over?
I can see Snape fighting mainly with Professor Minerva McGonagall. I don’t think that McGonagall fully understood Dumbledore’s trust in Snape until the end perhaps. I think Dumbledore trusted Snape so much that sometimes what Minerva thought was cast aside as Dumbledore agreed with Snape. I think Snape and McGonagall constantly have different opinions which contrast one another and they are fighting over Dumbledore’s agreement/approval, sometimes…maybe.

What to you, fellow Snapettes, admire in Severus the most?
I suppose I admire his unstoppable ability to love one person until the day he dies regardless of what happens. His unconditional love for Lily is something I admire about Snape.

What do you think was Severus' greatest weakness? Who do you think brought it out in him the most? How?
His greatest weakness, I think, was his bitterness. If he wasn’t so bitter maybe he would have meet someone but I think that is highly unlikely as I believe Lily was the only love of his. Also if he wasn’t so bitter Harry may have trusted him or not have hated him so strongly.

Why did Snape’s Patronus take the form of a doe? I know it’s obvious, but why do you think it was a doe, is it because he sees the Patronus of Lily being a doe also, any elaborations?
I think Lily’s Patrouns was a doe because a doe is the female version of a deer and another name for deer (male) is stag. James’ Patrouns was stag so I think that is why Lily’s was a Doe because they were together. Snape’s Patrouns took the form of Lily’s because he cared so much about her. Patrouns is Latin for ‘protector’ perhaps Snape saw Lily as his guardian angel, his protector if you like and so his Patrouns was the same as Lily’s.

We know about Severus’ patronus already but what do you think was Severus’ greatest fear and what would be his boggart?
Good question. Erm, I think that his boggart would be something like watching Lily dieing again and again. Watching her die would kill him inside, he never wanted to lose her and that was his greatest fear.

-Scenario: Severus acquires a Time Turner; what does he do with it? Does he go back to fix mistakes that he's made(knowing how that could affect the future)? Use your imagination!
How would he get one? They were all destroyed, weren’t they? In the Order of Phoenix if I remember…but anyway it is a ‘what if’ question. Well, he loved Lily so maybe he would stop her being killed, how I don’t know. But I think he would go back and try and stop it but realize that Lily’s death has to happen, that it was meant to be. So instead he might use the time turner as a sort of pensive and visit memories he may have forgotten.

It’s not much guys but I will post again soon

Hello, everyone.. Soooo, sorry I couldnt reply all these days..actually my college has started and I leave in hostel so no acess to net except for the weekends..

I have missed a lot, but I will try to reply to most of your posts, forgive me if I skip a few, I have had a birds eye view on all post..

ok.. firstly, Hello, Sabrina_Rose_Snape.



I agree to this completly, Nevillesgirl... Severus never tried to use darks arts to harm anyone..not even on james and sirius..



yes, it makes sence, Nevillesgirl. Its the only other valid reason. Everythng fits..

now, your question...

Does anyone think that Severus would have been such a focused student without his obsession of the Dark Arts?

I dont think that would have made any differnece in his being sincere in studies.. As discribed in OOTP, during OWLS he looked very intense in his exam and all.. But as someone mentioned earlier (sorry couldnt recall who) that the behaviour of James and Sirius and his love for Lily might have made a difference in his studies. Being humiliated by fellow students in front of half the school is no joke, nor is the fact that you cannot tell your feelings to the one you love soo dearly...

ohh, yes.. and that Snape being evil thing, like Nevillesgirl pointed out, he was just defending his friends and not promoting the idea of evilism..

Hello there, Radcliffefreek

Here are another two questions that I would really like to answer…

Pretend that Severus was never killed in Deathly Hallows. In fact, the Order came on top and everyone lived (well, not the Dark Lord obviously). Where do you see Severus ten years down the road? Twenty? Fifty? Use those imaginations!
Erm…I see him still working at Hogwarts in ten years time if he had not died. Perhaps within that time he and Harry would come to some sort acknowledgement with each other allowing Harry to finally understand Snape’s motives. Harry would respect him but I don’t think Snape would completely welcome that with open arms. I think that if Snape survived then he may be touched within ten to twenty years as Harry names a son after him (well the middle name) but I do wonder if Harry would still have done that if he didn’t die. I feel that Snape would work at Hogwarts until ‘retirement’ (if wizards retire) with his name cleared of killing Dumbledore and maybe he would become headmaster one day (again). After all, Dumbledore did trust Snape so much so maybe Dumbledore would in-trust him with the school. Snape did show qualities of both houses Gryffindor and Slytherin so who better to run the school. My answer’s not really that imaginative but that’s the best I can do.

Do you think that there are any circumstances where Snape could have forgiven himself for his part in Lily's death and moved on? What would it have taken? Would he have ever truly moved on or would he have always remained "always"?
‘Always’ meaning forever, for all time, for eternity and I think that he really meant it. I don’t think he would ever have forgiven himself, I don’t think there was ever a time when that was possible. He was grieving so much it wasn’t possible. If he ever could though it would have taken Lily to rise from the grave and speak to him or Harry to find out his motives by himself and say something to Snape like ‘Thank-you’ or ‘I understand’. But I really don’t think he would ever move on, I think he would remain ‘always’ and he did until his death and I believe that wherever he is now (maybe sitting with Dumbledore in the Sky) he still remains ‘always’.

That’s all for now I will answer some more soon.

Does anyone think that Severus would have been such a focused student without his obsession of the Dark Arts?

I think that he would still have been focused, (I mean poor guy, what else could he do?) but probably not as focused, he did love DADA, and he did want to teach it. He was a good student I think, but his obsession (or lack thereof) may well have made the difference for him. I do not think that the stories in "The Prince's Tale" and "Snape's Worst Memory" would have been very gratifying or as deeply descriptive if he had been a different Snape. To be quite honest, I think that he actually (call me crazy) deserved to have such a strong obseession; after all, it's what makes his character so interesting.

~Veritaserum14~

Wow! It's so nice to come back from vacation to see some discussion on the questions I posed in my previous post! I would like to welcome our new members, and I hope that you stick around in the time to come to participate in our discussions over Severus! I would also like to welcome back some older members who, like me, have been caught up a bit lately (Hi Sam and Lauren!!)!

Now, I will go ahead an apologize now for the length of this post. I plan on making up for all of missed time these past couple of months what with school and school and... school. For the record, I had a great time on vacation and I actually managed to relax!


Like Janet said, Snape doesn't tolerate idiocy, but at the same time, I feel like there is more to it. Severus was aware that he had low tolerance for his students because their level of intellect was never quite good enough for him, however, I feel that maybe part of his budding hatred was sparked by envy. I feel that Severus would be ignorrant to the idea of unconsiously wishing that he was more like some of his students. He would wish that he had friends like his students did to lean on, for instance. Maybe I'm over-reaching it, but feel that there's more than meets the eye.


I would have to agree with many of your answers to this one. Severus' time spent with Lily were probably the softest moments. Another possibility is the time he spend with his mother trying to ease her tension from his father.


Grow from your experiences. Remember that there is much more to learn from loss and downfalls than remorse. Carry what you learn with you, and build from it.


I do actually. I would think that since Severus had such a hard home-life, and was caught in a world where he was expected to be one way (and surrounded by others who probably pressured him), but he felt different inside. Severus isn't violent and wouldn't wish terrible deaths on other wizards/witches just because of their heritage, and if he did it would be hypocritical. It's all this that makes me think that he would participate his hardest in school, because that was the one thing that was certain and stable.

Now, I would like to announce our new Devotee of the Month!



For upholding the discussion and answering questions between multiple members, you defitely earned the devotee spot this month. I would also like to thank you for posting so many insightful answers and responses.

Now, I was thinking that maybe we could channel the discussion around the upcoming movie a bit. Maybe see what ideas we can toss around to predict what we may be seeing in a few months?

Since there are many new members, I'm going to repost this question:
-In the upcoming Half Blood Prince movie, what scene are you most looking forward to seeing Alan portray?
-Is there any character interraction in particular with Snape that you're looking forward to seeing?

Great to be back, and I hope that since I don't have anything else planned for the summer that I will be able to post much more.

Ashley

Hi everyone!!! Boy, it's been a while since I've been in here. Please forgive my absence.

In the upcoming Half Blood Prince movie, what scene are you most looking forward to seeing Alan portray?
I'm looking forward to seeing the lightning struck tower. To see the look in his eyes, that I'm sure will hold self-loathing for what he has promised to do (he is much too hard on himself!), along with a respect and apology that only Dumbledore will be able to see. To the rest it will seem like hatred toward the Headmaster.


Is there any character interraction in particular with Snape that you're looking forward to seeing?
I don't know if it will be in the movie or not, but one of my favorite parts in HBP is when Snape is trying to teach the students non-verbal spells. I want to see his interaction with Harry when Harry tells him that there is no need to call him 'Sir'. heehee. That part always makes me giggle.

~Dayna

Well, I haven't been on in a while, but I just have time to answer one question.

In the upcoming Half Blood Prince movie, what scene are you most looking forward to seeing Alan portray?

I want to see how well Alan portrays the hate that Snape is supposed to show during the scene where Dumbledore dies. It would take a talented actor, but Alan Rickman is just that. I also want to see the scene where he is teaching Harry non-verbal spells. That always makes me laugh...

Hola! I've been watching you all from afar, and laughing at the spectactular posts you have made. I, too, am an obsessed Snape fan, but I'm sure that most of you are way more obsessed than me!

All of my friends, when we get together during the summer to go to the beach, always joke about how obsessed I am, but after copying and pasting some of your works, they were sure not to mention Snape in my presence (sorry about my spelling errors ) again!
Thanks for a wonderful read, and I'm very excited (and it appears that you are too) about the upcoming Half Blood Prince movie, coming to theaters this November 21st.

Though I would simply love to be concidered Snape devotee of the month, I know that I will first have to prove my devotion for a few more monthes (or even a year ) before I would be...well...up there in Snape heaven with the rest of you. It appears that Potions Mistress and I are the most alike. Hey, our birthdays are on the same day! March 28th (or for you British people, the 28th of March ).

Anyways, hope you accept Snapeworshipper, (that's me!) as a totally obsessed fanatic, who just wants to fit in with the crowd. By the way, how do I join the club? Please PM me the answer, 'cause I really have a lot of business to attend to with my own fan club and website...here're the answers to the questions you guys posted:

In the upcoming Half Blood Prince movie, what scene are you most looking forward to seeing Alan portray?

Well, I'd have to say....gosh....there's a lot I'm looking forward to....well. Probaby the scene in Spinner's End, (if they include it ) where Narcissa is begging our beloved Severus for Draco's protection. While I read that, I had to laugh at her, because the way I saw it, she was tugging at her hair and rolling around the floor in his house. Though I'm sure he probably didn't, I always picture Severus rolling his eyes at her foolishness. I'm wondering what Rickman will do if Rowling decides to keep this scene in the movie (and if there's eye rollage, I totally called it! )! Thanks!

Is there any character interraction in particular with Snape that you're looking forward to seeing?

Um....I believe I answered that one above, but like zwillo, who posted above, I too am looking forward to the non-verbal spells Snape was 'trying' to teach to Harry's class. Glad he finally got the job he wanted before his departure in book 7. *sigh* If Rowling doesn't start writing more Snape stuff for charity, then I think I'll have a heart attack soon! The suspense is killing me...

Thanks again for your time! Keep 'Snapeing', everyone!

~*~Your Illustrious and seemingly Ludicrous Snape Worshipper~*~

- signing out - *bleep* (that's me signing out)

In the upcoming Half Blood Prince movie, what scene are you most looking forward to seeing Alan portray?


I am really looking forward to the first scene when he is making the unbreakable vow with Narcissa Malfoy. I really think this will be a great scene where we can see the other side of Snape. We'll finally be introduced to the Snape outside of DD...I can't wait!! And I also want to see the new Bellatrix Lestrange actress so if she's in that scene...it'll be any better.


Also, I can't wait to see the last scene when Snape kills DD. I think it'll be one of the most powerful scenes in the series and I really hope that the look on DD and Snape's face comes through the movie very well. I can't wait to see what happens...It should be phenomenal. Also the chase scene afterwards will be great!


Is there any character interraction in particular with Snape that you're looking forward to seeing?


Same, I can't wait to see Snape teaching the class nonverbal spells...in fact I can't wait to see Snape teaching DADA classes....it should bbe a good time!

Also, I really want to see the interaction between Snape and Harry after Snape kills DD. It will be so emotionally cocmplex for both characters and should provide for a phenomenal interaction on screen between the two characters, if done correctly...especially when Snape stops and shouts at Harry. Gonna be great!

Alan Rickman should do a phenomenal job so really any scene with him in it will be spectacular. Can't wait till the movie comes out!

~HJP~

Before I answer questions, I have a little side question: Why is there a new Bellatrix actress? From what I've heard Helena Bohnam Carter is still playing her. She's my favourite actress, and I thought she did an exellent job portraying Bella in OotP.

Now, on to the questions!

the upcoming Half Blood Prince movie, what scene are you most looking forward to seeing Alan portray?
After he kills Dumbledore, at the entrance gates with Harry. If I remember correctly, he admits that he is the Half Blood Prince, and his emotions change so fast throughout the scence. To me, admitting to Harry that he (Harry) had been worshiping a man who had just killed his mentor is so powerful, and I know Alan will do a fantasic job!


Is there any character interraction in particular with Snape that you're looking forward to seeing?
I'm not sure if they will put it in the movie, because it was such a sort scene, but when Malfoy is caught by Filch sneaking around Slughorns party near, I believe it was Christmas, and Malfoy admits to Snape he doesn't know what he's doing with his task Voldemort had given him and Harry spies on him would be such a great scene. It is such a sort scene, because Snape leaves suddenly, but to see him (in his own way) mentoring Malfoy would be a different side of Snape completly.

I'm going to see the fifteen second trailer next weekend! I'm so exicted, but yet disapointed that it's only fifteen seconds. But to be optomistic: It's fifteen seconds less of the movie I have to wait for!

Hello everyone,

My apologies for having been away for a long time. Do anyone out there miss me?

Anyway just a quick post. . .

In the upcoming Half Blood Prince movie, what scene are you most looking forward to seeing Alan portray?
Is there any character interraction in particular with Snape that you're looking forward to seeing?


Actually I am most looking forward to see HBP because of Severus Snape and any scene with him would be awww. . . seeing him on screen again would mean my feeling of missing him a great deal would resurface. The memory of him was always a mixture of bittersweet.

Anything with Alan Rickman in HBP would be haven. . .

Welcome to all the new members.

See you guys around soon.

Happy posting!!!

EDIT: Oh... My... Goodness.. Ok I just saw how long this post is.. please forgive me!!


*Pokes head in gingerly*.... Hello everyone!!

Ok.. so I've been away for far too long, so long in fact that I can't actually find my last post.. which is, you know... appalling.
Anyway, I missed you all so much (plus my severus addiction is growing at an alarming rate now that I'm free from real life for a while) that I just had to come back..

In the upcoming Half Blood Prince movie, what scene are you most looking forward to seeing Alan portray?
Well, as annesches said- any scence with Alan is one that I'm looking forward to, but in particular... Of course, there is the astronomy tower scene; I can't wait to see that look in Severus/Alan's eye- now that we know that he isn't a traitor (as we did all along) there's the idea of seeing a different kind of emotion there. It's hate, as described in the book, but will Alan direct that hate fully at Dumbledore, or will he add his own distinct Rickman-ness into it? I just want to see the layers of emotion that Alan achieves every time he acts.
I'd also like to see the scene in the girls bathroom, after Harry has slashed Draco's face open. Again, Its an angry scene, but because it was one of Severus' own curses, I want to see if there's any confusion from Severus in the film...
There were a few others, but I keep forgetting what happened in which book- in fact I keep forgetting that they're books at all, considering at the moment I seem to be spending more time talking about them than doing anything else what was I saying...? Oh yes, I just hope that they don't/haven't cut out too much [any] of Severus' bits... and I really hope he gets some classic Severus sarcasm in there!
Oh, one more- I'd quite like to see the look on his face when Harry and Ron realise that Snape has them for DADA

Is there any character interraction in particular with Snape that you're looking forward to seeing?
I'm looking forward to his interaction with Narcissa- I guess that should probably come under the scene question as it's only once.. I just think that's a very complicated relationship, and I'd like to see how the pair are together.
The other is Severus and Draco. I hope they don't cut out too many of these scenes, as they show both Draco and Severus going through a range of emotions that we don't often see from them; they both, especially Draco, change a lot throughout the course of the book, and I'd like to see how they deal with that transformation together.
Ohh and since I'm rambling as it is, I may as well add Slughorn into the mix. Mainly because Slughorn's a new character and he and Severus have a fair few scenes together...
Ok I give up trying to pick out specific bits.. Im looking forward to the whole thing


What?? There's a new actress? But... buttt...
The thing is, Helena Bohnam carter doesn't just play Bellatrix, she is Bellatrix (And I don't mean to say that she's an insane phsychopath). I really like her and It will seem strange if she's not there- as it always is when they replace an actor. Where did you here that there was a new Bellatrix by the way..? - before I have a breakdown...

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Hmm.. I was going to go, but I just can't leave yet.. so I may have to answer the questions that Ashely answered in her last post:

What do you think made Snape loath the students and treat all (except Slytherins) as if they were all scum?
I agree that he just couldn't tolerate idiocy, and he enforces this by even treating members of Slytherin harshly if they make silly mistakes, or act without thinking things through. One of the reasons he can't stand stupidity so much, is that he has had to think for every secong of his life for the past.. however many years. He has had to maintain severak facades, teach, deal with his own lonliness, and often be the sole confident of Dumbledore- as well, of course, as worrying constantly about the threat of Voldemort and the horcruxes. Because he has to think, and plan- plan out every action before he makes it, and the fact that he can't afford to slip up, means that he's extremely impatient with those who don't use their brains even at the most simple of times.
I also agree that it is more than this. As Ashley said {Hi by the way, missed you!}, he was capable of being very jealous. He was always an outsider- he dealt with it, but he was never really happy. To see people with such strong friendships would be hard for him- especially as it probably reminded him of the group of friends that picked on him throughout his school years. I also believe it has something to do with the fact that he has always had so much to deal with, and whilst he doesn't want pity, he knows that he's fighting a battle, so that those young, happy, carefree students can have a future- and a life he never had.

It can be universally acknoweldged that Snape has a bit of a temper and not-so-sunny disposition. Do you think there was ever a time where he wasn't like that?
Yep, as you've said the time spent with Lily and his mother- the people whom he cared about and who cared about him, were his calmest times. The thing is, growing up with a father who believed anger and violence were the solutions to his problems, how could he not pick up a slight temper? And couple that with the fact that he was bullied for years- and was considered to be weak if he didn't fight back, how could he not? Besides, can you imagine Severus stopping, counting to ten, and then talking to the trio calmly..? Who are you and what have you done with Severus snape??

If you could give young Severus one bit of advice for the future, what would it be?
Yes.. again, as Ashley said- grow from past experiences and apply what you learn in the future. Either that, or- remember the things that you truely value. Its all good fighting for life, or power, but If those things aren't what you want, aren't what make you happy- then change what you're fighting for. Maybe the way you fight won't change, but your motivation will, if you know that the end result is something that you truely believe in.

Does anyone think that Severus would have been such a focused student without his obsession of the Dark Arts?
I think he would have found something else to focus on, or become 'obsessed' with. He always wanted to prove himself, as a powerful and great wizard; he needed challange, and he never would have been one to lay around and do nothing. He's the type of person that would take an opportunity just because he could; partly to proove that he could, and partly because he didn't want to regret not taking that opportunity.
Because of this, whatever the circumstances, Severus would always find something to focu on, at school and in the rest of his life. And most of the time im pretty certain he would succeed.


Ok I'll stop now.. My eyes are starting to go all blurry and I can't type properly...
Take care everybody!!

Clara}~


ps... I forgot how much I missed you guys!!!

~Awww, I just got this! Thank you so much for my Snape Devotee for June. As you know I am soooo devoted




I think most everyone agrees that the Lightning Struck Tower is the scene that has everyone excited with Alan's magnificent acting abilities. I think to combine this with the next question I am really looking forward to Severus interacting with Bella. I can just see the smugness, loathing and confidence in his voice and demeanor jumping off the screen. I also liked what someone else said about when Severus was escaping with Draco and he turns and has that little confrontation with Harry. I imagine that part to be chalk full of emotion and it will be so interesting to see how Yates manages to portray the mutual hate between Harry and Snape

Hey fellow members of SOSS...I'm not liking the silence of this thread so I thought I'd break it up witha new question...

If Severus didn't fall in love with Lily. Would he have ever left Lord Voldemort? If so, what would be that reason? (As in allegiance, not physically leave)

Another question...

How devoted of a Death Eater do you think Severus was before Lily was killed? Did he torture and kill, or did he marvel in the Dark Arts and leave muggles alone?





Personally, I can't see Severus ever completely loyal to Lord Voldemort, even without Lily. I think eventually, he would have come to realize that he is in lvoe with the Dark Arts and not muggle killing. So would he have ever left Lord Voldemort? Yes. Why? Because he would've come to the realization that he loves the Dark Arts and not Lord Voldemort's killing sprees.


The next question I had to think about for a bit, and I've come to the conclusion that he was the theory Death Eater of the lot. I just can't see Severus killing and torturing muggles for the fun of it. I think he was the Death Eater that, when a question needed to be answered, Severus was there. Also, he was probably amazing at curses and hexes but didn't like killing. I just can't see Severus killing a bunch of muggles...I bet I'm wrong, but I jsut can't...

If Severus didn't fall in love with Lily. Would he have ever left Lord Voldemort? If so, what would be that reason? (As in allegiance, not physically leave)

I cant see the reason why he would leave the Dark Lord if he never loved Lily.. the reason he left the Drak lord's league was to save Lily's son and to fulfill her last wish.. If there was no Lily Evans in his life he would have opted to become a Death Eater as influenced by his fellow Slytherines... So, I'll disagree with you, Harry James Potter.

How devoted of a Death Eater do you think Severus was before Lily was killed? Did he torture and kill, or did he marvel in the Dark Arts and leave muggles alone?

Before Lily was killed, he would be devoted as it is shown in Dumbledore's memory about his meeting with Sybill Trelawney.. He was highly influenced by Mulciber, MacNair and others..
So, I think he was devoted but to some extend, he would have chosen to ill-treat the muggles, because he had a cruel experience with his father, who was a muggle.

In the upcoming Half Blood Prince movie, what scene are you most looking forward to seeing Alan portray?

I want to see the sence in Spinner's End.. I was so convinced by Snape's explaination to Bellatrix, and I know, Alan being a nice actor can give it full justice.. He shows that calmness, with which Snape soo allegently lied.. And I also want to see Harry chasing Severus and Malfoy on hogwards grounds..

clara morgue, I have to agree with you on the HBC bit. I have been a huge fan of hers for awhile now, and when her first scene in OotP came, I knew she was perfect for the part. All the online HBP sites say she's still playing Bella, but another VTM member a few posts back said she'd like to see the new Bella actress.

Oh, I got way off track. Oops.




If Severus didn't fall in love with Lily. Would he have ever left Lord Voldemort? If so, what would be that reason? (As in allegiance, not physically leave)

Personally, I don't think he would have left the Dark Lord if he never fell in love with Lily. Harry was the last piece of Lily he had, and he wanted to keep him safe, which is what Radcliffefreek said. Lily was the first and only person who showed any compassion towards Severus, and if he had never had met her, and she didn't somewhat plant that his fellow Slytherins were evil, he would have continued with his obession, and I believe he would have become one of the most feared Death Eaters.

How devoted of a Death Eater do you think Severus was before Lily was killed? Did he torture and kill, or did he marvel in the Dark Arts and leave muggles alone?

Snape was devoted, because if you were not devoted to Voldemorte you were killed or tourtured, which until book seven Snape wasn't. Lily brought out the softer side in Snape, but didn't change his ways. We never saw Snape become friends with the Mauderers, so I believe he was devoted while Lily was alive. I'm sure he did torture and kill muggles, he was mistreated as a child, and if Voldemort gave him an order to kill a family of Muggles, he couldn't disobey.

Sorry I haven't posted in almost two weeks, my Mum got rid of the computer at her house because it was broken beyond repair, and my dad's had a nasty virius, but all is well at my dad's now, so I should be on a little more often for the next few days!

If Severus didn't fall in love with Lily. Would he have ever left Lord Voldemort? If so, what would be that reason? (As in allegiance, not physically leave)
~I think that Severus was already fighting that allegiance even though he already loved Lily. I don't think his love for her had anything to do with his loyalty to the Dark Lord. He chose to be a part of his organization even though he loved Lily and I think the only reason he went to Dumbledore that night to ask for his help was simply to make sure that Lily was protected. If you all remember, he wasn't originally asking for protection for James and Harry...just Lily. After Dumbledore gave him that look of disgust only then did he consent to Dumbledore protecting all of the Potters. What pushed him over the edge, I think is that no matter what he did after Lily's death, he realized it was ultimately his fault that she was killed. He gave the information to Voldemort and although he had tried to rectify the situation...Severus realized that Voldemort would do what he wished to whom ever he wished. It was as if he was declaring revenge against Voldemort.
It makes sense in my head but I am not sure it is coming out the way I am thinking about it.


How devoted of a Death Eater do you think Severus was before Lily was killed? Did he torture and kill, or did he marvel in the Dark Arts and leave muggles alone?
~I think Severus was a most devoted Death Eater. I think that he did his Master's bidding whatever that may have been. I also think the possibility of him murdering someone is very real because Dumbledore would not have asked someone to kill him and compromise his soul unless his soul had already been compromised at one point. I think the only muggle that Severus would have left alone is Lily. I think he had a gross double standard where she was concerned...almost as if he kept ignoring the fact that she was a mudblood, that she would indeed not be one.

So a new question for the SOSS thread...
What/how do you think Snape felt when he killed Dumbledore?

I ask this because we all know that Snape was doing Dumbledore's bidding but have we ever really looked at how Severus felt when he killed Dumbledore?

Have we ever truly asked ourselves what he was thinking during that stare at Dumbledore before delivering the last blow? If so, it was some time ago...

Among many feelings, I would like to pay homage to one feeling in specific, freedom. Now it may just be me, but I think he felt just a little bit of freedom. Basically his whole life since joining forces with Dumbledore, he has been Dumbledore's puppet, doing whatever is asked of him. When Dumbledore was killed, although it was probably a small feeling (if it occurred at all), he felt a little bit of freedom.


-Nick
HJP

I am going to wholly disagree. I don't think Severus felt any sense of freedom when he was obligated to kill Dumbledore. I think he felt as trapped as ever because he was losing the one person that totally believed in him, his only supporter. I also think that he knew by doing that he was giving the impression of choosing a side with Voldemort and we all know that Voldemort gives no one freedom. It was suggested that since joining forces with Dumbledore, he was only a puppet, however Severus was a puppet for Voldemort for years. He has never been free. I think Severus was honorable enough to know that even though Dumbleodore was gone, he was still chained to completing the task of ensuring Harry succeedeed.

I definitely see what your saying and I agree with it, which is why I put (or I think I put) a very small part of Severus was feeling somewhat free. And I wasn't meaning free, as in free of Harry and his role in the rest of Harry Potter. I was going more basic than that. I just feel like when Dumbledore dies...yes his allegiance (for now) is with the Dark Lord, but now he is free of Death Eaters questioning his loyalty to the Dark Lord. I should have clarified more, sorry about that

-Nick
HJP


P.S.- But what does SOSS think Severus felt?

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What/how do you think Snape felt when he killed Dumbledore?
Snape, I think felt trapped, confused, awful, a mixture of emotions. He was losing the one person who always believed in him, as nevillesgirl said, and he was also helping out a fellow Death Eater's son. He knew what he had to do, Dumbledore knew what he had to do, but I don't believe he wanted to kill him.
Dumbledore was the one person Severus knew would never misjudge him, and would never once think that he was unfaithful to him. Now that he was handed the task of killing his one companion, all the emotions ranging from anger(for having to kill his mentor) to utter confusion(possibly, why did he ever make the unbreakable vow) were going through his head. I'm sure when he looked Dumbledore in the eye, they had an un-spoken conversation, and they connected. They both knew why he had to do it, and that's all that mattered to him.
Severus felt most likely morbid for days after he fled Hogwarts. If you really look at it, Dumbledore was more than a collegue to Severus, he was really a mentor, or even a father to him. The night Lily was murdered, he went to Dumbledore, and admitted to him he loved her. Dumbledore knew the most inner emotions of Severus, and I'm sure from the night he killed him to the knight Voldemorte murdered him, he felt some sort of regret for killing the closest thing he had to a good father, even if he had to.


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If Severus didn't fall in love with Lily. Would he have ever left Lord Voldemort? If so, what would be that reason? (As in allegiance, not physically leave)

I am going to totally agree with the last couple of posts here on this one. Though I don't agree that Severus's love for Lily had nothing to do with becoming a Death Eater. Maybe when he was turned down by Lily at the Gryffindor portrait he was on the verge of deciding? Maybe the upset and lonley feeling he got from being denied his love made him decide that his only true friends were Death Eaters. Severus did not recieve the love that pretty much all of us recieved at an early age from both of our parents. Even if his mother did dearly love him, he looked almost exactly like his father. I think that he chose to befriend Lily at a young age like he did Dumbledore when he met him, only because he was lacking that sort of love and emotional support. Lily was like the sister he never had, and Dumbledore like his father.
I believe that JK Rowling was asked a similar question to the one you guys aked above? I'm pretty sure she said something of the kind...well, anyways...I'll do some research and report back in a few days(or a few seconds ) I think I saw it in an interview...

How devoted of a Death Eater do you think Severus was before Lily was killed? Did he torture and kill, or did he marvel in the Dark Arts and leave muggles alone?

Severus did not torture and kill. If you have memerized all the parts with Severus in the book like me, then you will remember the part in "The Prince's Tale", when Severus was talking to Dumbledore in Dumbledore's office.



HAH! THERE! Did I get it all, 'cause I think I may have missed something?

What/how do you think Snape felt when he killed Dumbledore?

I agree with you all, and since my post is already way too long, I'll just be as brief on this subject as I can be:

He felt trapped like a bird inside of a cage. I believe that the 'anger and hatred etched along the harsh lines of his face' was at the terrible task that he was forced, not by Dumbledore, but by his own actions, and the Dark Lord, to do. Poor Severus was killing Dumbledore, the only man who had ever loved and cared for him. He had to; all because of:
1. The Dark Lord would discover his true aligance. (Snape's fought for joining him.)
2. To stay alive and protect Harry, and in turn save the world. (The world's fought for needing to be saved.)
3. 'Cause he's Dumbledore's 'meat puppet', and Dumbledore told him too. (Why I hate Dumbledore right now. )

...and finally...(ready?)

4. To not let Draco fail, to kill Dumbledore, so Snape wouldn't have to break the unbreakable vow, and drop dead right on the spot. Then, Snape could help Harry, so Harry could learn to keep his mind closed, so he could finally learn Occlumency, so Harry could be slow and let Snape die a lonely death, so Snape wouldn't have to figure out what he would do nineteen years later when Harry names a kid after him....phew!

So, if you were Snape, how would you feel?

Holy Crow! Please don't hurt me; I know I've been away for a while so I will try to make up for it; her e goes:

If Severus didn't fall in love with Lily. Would he have ever left Lord Voldemort? If so, what would be that reason? (As in allegiance, not physically leave)
I think that sooner or later (hopefully sooner) he would have realized his mistake in joining and try to get away. I can really tell that Severus admired Dumbledore, so perhaps, he would have been his reason. Although, I do think that Snape was noble enough to know that what he was helping the 'Dark Lord' to do was something wrong and sickening. So perhaps, since he joined; he knew that he had gotten himself into something that nobody particularly enjoyed. But maybe he joined the Death Eaters in the first place, because of Lilly. I know it sounds unlikely but as we all know, he had an attraction to her since they were kids, maybe her rejection (in combination with James and his friends' humiliating treatment of him); he felt himself an outcast and so joined himself with a group of outcasts who saught protection or power or both. Question: What was Severus' reason for joining the Death Eaters or 'the outcasts'?

How devoted of a Death Eater do you think Severus was before Lily was killed? Did he torture and kill, or did he marvel in the Dark Arts and leave muggles alone?
I believe that he was more in it for his obsession with the Dark Arts. Complicated magic that had always fascinated him. I think that before Lilly, his alliance to Voldy was based more upon his need to be around his favorite kind of magic.

What/how do you think Snape felt when he killed Dumbledore?
I think that his feelings for Dumbledore may have been more than admiration, confusion, and respect. He saw Dumbledore as his beacon, his safety net. We all know how surprised he was when they arranged for him to do the job. I think that at that moment, his most pulling emotions were: fear and failure. He felt that he failed Dumbledore by getting rid of him (thus making it easier for Voldy) and fear because he was unsure of what to do next. Where would he be without Dumbledore's calm guidance. He probably felt insecure, though he didn't show it.

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What/how do you think Snape felt when he killed Dumbledore?

HJP, I am shocked to hear about your freedom theory, anyways, everyone have his/her views..

I think he felt the deepest regret while doing it.. In the years after Lily died, I think Severus was emotionally attached to Dumbeldore.. he came to respect DD for what he was and thus, he would have really regreted it.. Moreover, he was shocked that DD wanted him to kill DD instead of draco, owing to the reason that that will destroy draco's soul.. maybe he was hurt that Severus's soul didnt matter much to DD, he did mention it to DD... So, I think he was worried about that too..by in the end, he knew he had to kill DD to be able to reamin as a spy on Voldemort and also to fulfill the unbreakable vow with Narcissa...


P.S. I know I have mixed things up here, but I hope I made my two points clear..

Umm, no need for shouting or anger.

Lately implies that it is a recent event. Torture vs. watching someone die are also two very different things. It is possible to torture without watching someone die. You stated that Severus did not torture and kill. You say it with such certainty and really that is just an opinion.

One thing is certain. Voldemort is not used to someone not following his orders. If he gave a Death Eater a task of torturing or killing someone, he expected that order to be followed and if it wasn't followed to his specifications, Voldemort went after that Death Eater and let him know his displeasure. With Severus feeling trapped by his lifestyle, I think that he may have felt like he had no choice. Whether he liked torture and death or not, Severus would have carried out the orders and gave the impression of a totally committed Death Eater. If he wasn't pretending, he still would have had to carry out the orders only he would have enjoyed it more.

I suppose my point is that there is only one man who was able to fake devotion to the Dark Lord and that was Severus. His reason was his own selfish heartache. Before the death of Lily, I think his devotion was real. He was looking for a way to distinguish himself from the other Death Eaters and thus was very eager to inform his Master about the prophecy he overheard Trelawney predict to Dumbledore. Loyalty at that point.

I don't think there was any anger implied, just excitement.


But onto the topic at hand...

I definitely agree with you nevillesgirl. The Dark Lord would not have let one of his Death Eaters get away with not following instructions; so if he told Severus to kill someone, then Severus would have had to kill that person. But what I want to discuss is pre- and post-war Severus, and the motivation behind killing/torturing.


Pre-Lily's Death

Now we know that he joined up with Lord Voldemort, but for what reason? I personally think that it is because of his obsession with the Dark Arts. I find it hard to believe that he joined because he wanted to kill, torture, and rid the wizarding world of muggleborn witches and wizards (whew, almost quoted the 'm' word). Was he upset to do these things 'pr-ld' I don't think so, but I think the motivation behind joining the Death Eaters was purely material based (as in the subject, Dark Arts). So when he killed and tortured for Lord Voldemort 'pr-ld' I think he didn't mind to kill/torture (especially since that kept him alive), but out of love for the Dark Arts and not because he purely wanted to, such as Lucius Malfoy.


Post-Lily's Death

After Lily's death, we know he went to Dumbledore and pledged loyalty because he loved Lily and as good as killed her. But he still was a Death Eater, even if we only remember him as a teacher at Hogwarts. So as a 'p-ld' Death Eater, did he kill and torture? Yes, I believe he did; however, I do not believe he did those things willingly anymore. He was still obsessed with Dark Arts, no questions asked. But, his heart was broken and ever since Lily's Death, he was never truly loyal to Lord Voldemort, as we all know. So when he killed or tortured, I think it was strictly on the basis of staying on Voldemort's good side, as to not be killed himself.


In conclusion...


I feel that Severus did torture and kill during his tenure as a Death Eater, both 'pr-ld' and 'p-ld'. However, I feel as if the motivation behind those actions change during those two time periods. Before, he killed because of his devotion to the Dark Lord; after, he killed because he did not want to die or get exposed as a spy.


I hope I made sense, it is very late here....if not I'll be happy to try and clear my points up another time


-Nick
HJP

Like both HJP and nevillesgirl I have to disagree with you snapeworshipper that Snape didn't tourture or kill any innocent people.



Exactly. For example, if Snape was Bellatrix, and was ordered to tourture the Longbottoms and refused, we would never have met the Potions Master, because I am certain he would never have become a teacher, because Voldemort would have gotten the worst of him.

Yes, after Lily's death, Snape was certainly confused on his loyality a bit, because he was still so fastinated in the Dark Arts, but yet he wanted to get out of this lifestyle, because it was what left him heartbroken, when Lily stopped talking to him while at Hogwarts, and eventually leading up to her death, which in some sence was his fault.

So, overall he was a commited Death Eater in the beginning, but after Lily's death, and his obession with her (and yes, I do believe in some ways he is, and always will be a bit obessed with her), his devotion as a Death Eater plumented a bit. Plus, with hearing the prophecy he knew he needed to keep the last part of Lily alive.

- Sam

Okay, this is my first time posting here, so...

If Severus didn't fall in love with Lily. Would he have ever left Lord Voldemort? If so, what would be that reason? (As in allegiance, not physically leave)Yes, I think he would have. Eventually he would realize what he was doing, and go move to someplace like Australia, where Voldy couldn't find him.

How devoted of a Death Eater do you think Severus was before Lily was killed? Did he torture and kill, or did he marvel in the Dark Arts and leave muggles alone? I don't think Snape ever really wanted to be evil, but he joined the Death Eaters because of his interest in the Dark Arts. I seriously doubt that he ever tortured or killed people, but he would go alongwith it like he was a real muggle-torture person.

What/how do you think Snape felt when he killed Dumbledore?I think that when Snape killed Dumbledore, he knew he did what Dumbledore wanted, but he also realized what he had done, and was angry with himself. I think he also knew that since DD was gone, Harry had no protection and decided to kind of trail him, like with the patronus.

What/how do you think Snape felt when he killed Dumbledore?

I think that Snape felt alone and scared. When Dumbledore was alive, he was pretty much the only one who understood Snape. Now no one did, and no one knew the truth. He was in huge danger of dying, as what he was doing was so dangerous.

Wow, i haven't posted here in like a year- literally! i gotta catch up! i loveee sev!

If Severus didn't fall in love with Lily. Would he have ever left Lord Voldemort? If so, what would be that reason? (As in allegiance, not physically leave)
I'm actually not entirely sure. I think that if he did leave it would be for the same reason Regulus left, because he realize what horrible things the Dark Lord was doing and he wanted to put a stop to it, but i'm not sure if Snape would have understood it. If he didn't leave i think it would be because he loves the Dark Arts and, just like Voldemort, would want to educate himself more in the dark arts.


How devoted of a Death Eater do you think Severus was before Lily was killed? Did he torture and kill, or did he marvel in the Dark Arts and leave muggles alone?
As much as i would like to believe that Severus would never do that i unfortunately think he did. Obviously as a young and new death eater Snape would want to try and prove himself loyal and devoted. If he was willing to tell Voldemort the prophecy even though he knew innocent people would be killed including a child, I don't think he would mind a little killing and torturing of his own just to prove his devotion. Plus, you must also take into consideration that he had indecent parents who probably never taught him right and wrong because they were always arguing, so he really had no encouragement to not join the Death Eaters and maybe he thought he would make friends

What/how do you think Snape felt when he killed Dumbledore?
Snape most likely felt that now he was truly on his own and was more determined than ever to make sure that Harry completed his mission so that he could give Harry his memory so that Harry wouldn't think he killed Dumbledore on voldemort's orders.


~Kate

Yay, new posts! First off, welcome snapestinks**winkwink** and welcome back padfootx3 !

First off, I have to disagree with you snapestinks**winkwink**, about how he would leave Voldemort. Like I said in my answer, Lily was the one person to plant the idea that some of his fellow Slytherins were just pure evil, and Lily didn't like the idea of Sev hanging around with them. And, I highly doubt that Severus could just pack up and hide anywhere with the Dark Lord tailing him,because if Voldemort was after him, he'd definetly find him, regardless of where he was hiding.

But, I have to agree with padfootx3 about Severus having indecent parents, and never learning right from wrong. He grew up without any love or support, so most likely he did whatever he wanted, is that what you're saying? Dumbledore was the closest thing he had to a stable "parent", but I do have to agree he thought he would make friends as being a Death Eater. I believe it was just mereley his obession with the Dark Arts that led him to Voldemort, and he just got a little in over his head at first.

- Sam

yes, after his friendship broke with Lily he turned loyal to Voldemort and he might have turned a bit evil as well, to cover up for his heart-break..

and as you mentoned, HJP, he really practised the dark arts because he loved to do them and not merely to keep the pure-blood trend on. As long as I understand, there isn't a mention about Snape wanted the superiority of pure-bloods, because he always, boast around as "Half Blood Prince"

After, Lily's death, I think he thought it was the dark arts that have killed Lily and so, stopped practicing them and joined Dumbledore's league..

Hey guys.

I have a quick question concerning Severus...

What was his blood. As in, was he a pureblood, half-blood? If memory serves me correctly, I thought he was a pureblood, but I honestly cannot remember to save the life of me.


-Nick
HJP

Hi!
Definitely, he was a half-blood due to his paternal ancestry. Tobias Snape was a Muggle. Would you read my fic about the Snape family dynamics? it's in my signature.

So how are you all? I am deeply sorry for having neglected the SOSS site... I have some free time to make some updates. Ash would you let me know?

What/how do you think Snape felt when he killed Dumbledore?

I think he felt towards this act exactly what JKR wrote: repulsion. He was a good friend for Albus after all.

I have also some considerations:

Don't you think that after the 7th book the overall vision of Snape has been sweetened to an excessive grade? I mean, do you feel satisfied about how people see him NOW? do you think his character has improved or worsened its quality?

Another side of Snape which is usually neglected is his ability to heal. A healer is not only a technician, but there are lots of emotional and human aspects involved in the healing act.
What do you think?

Clara )O(

What/how do you think Snape felt when he killed Dumbledore?

I think Snape felt regret most of all. I don't think there was one ounce of him that wanted to kill Dumbledore; but knew that he had to for the greater good. I don't think he felt freedom at all (he would still have been under Voldemort's control and under the heartbreak of Lily), Snape would have never felt freedom. He was under lock and key in many many different ways. I think a part of Snape probably felt betrayal and fear. To have to murder someone you felt was a friend, maybe even a mentor and to know you'd have to feel the wrath of Harry afterward, I'd be scared too!!

If Severus didn't fall in love with Lily. Would he have ever left Lord Voldemort? If so, what would be that reason? (As in allegiance, not physically leave)

If Snape had never fallen in love with Lily, then no I don't think he would have left Voldemort. He was with that allegiance for a reason in the first place. The only reason he did leave was because of Lily. So if there was never a Lily to contend with in the first place, I think he would have stayed on the path he was headed down in the first place.

How devoted of a Death Eater do you think Severus was before Lily was killed? Did he torture and kill, or did he marvel in the Dark Arts and leave muggles alone?

I don't think Severus was ever a devoted Death Eater to begin with. I think a part of him, and I think it was a huge part was devoted to Lily, therefore he could never fully give himself to the Dark Lord. I can't say whether or not he tortured and killed before Lily's death. It seems to me there were many times he wanted to do both of those things to Harry!! many times! So we know he has it in him to want to those things, but as to actually following through. I can' say, because I know the Snape JKR gave us, and he didn't torture or kill (besides DD). But since your asking my opinion, if he had it his way, he would have stayed away from the muggles and obssessed in the dark arts. If Volde told him to do something of that nature than he would have done it probably against his will.

Thanks Clara. My mind went completely blank when I tried to think about it, I hate when that happens.



As for your first consideration- I think that his character definitely didn't worsen in quality. And I think that that only happened because of the way JKR wrote the ending of DH. She explained to the reader how he was Dumbledore's since Lily's death, but she does so by showing us other memories that establish Severus as the character that we've known throughout the series. She also made sure to get across the point that Severus loved Lily still and that's why he was doing all of this. For example, as he dies he looks into Harry's eyes picturing Lily's eyes. So I don't think his quality was diminished. I think it became more pronounced.


Second consideration- Yeah, he was like a mini healer wasn't he. I think that he did his work mainly because Dumbledore asked him to every time. But he still probably felt some adult responsibility and professorship responsibility to heal those that are hurt within the castle.



-Nick
HJP

Clara, I really like the point you made about how the overall vision of Snape definetly changed.

I've always thought Severus was on Dumbledore's side, or at least protecting Harry since book 3, when he saved the trio from Lupin when he turned into a warewolf. And now, since Jo Rowling had the chapter of Snape's memory after he died, everyone knows he was innocent.

Before Deathly Hallows, most readers thought Snape to be a git, untrustworthy, evil. Even a large majority of the characters from the series thought Severus to be evil, except Dumbledore. So, after DH was released, to answer your question Clara, was yes: I'm glad everyone now knows the true Snape, because I always thought him on the good side, and now that Harry found that memory, everyone will know the true him.

And to answer your other consideration, I think in some ways he was a healer. If what you mean is by helping out others in the castle, then I don't really believe so. He was a bit of a reclusive person inside the castle towards his other colleques, except for Dumbledore. The one time he actually showed any compassion towards another colleque was when he made the potion for Remus Lupin in Year 3, for the full moon.
Like Nick said, he felt some professional respsonsibility to help the others out- he was a potions professor. But I believe, the way JKR showed his character- sometimes he didn't want to help others out, or acted like he didn't.

- Sam

Don't you think that after the 7th book the overall vision of Snape has been sweetened to an excessive grade? I mean, do you feel satisfied about how people see him NOW? do you think his character has improved or worsened its quality?
Good point. After I read the 6th book i was in complete shock, then i simply refused to believe it! I put in my profile i trust snape until the 7th book came out I think it did make every one have a softer spot for snape in their fictional heart and i was very pleased with the way JKR had planned this out. I think it improved his quality because it showed how brave Snape was and how amazinglyyy amazingg he was!!!

Another side of Snape which is usually neglected is his ability to heal. A healer is not only a technician, but there are lots of emotional and human aspects involved in the healing act.
What do you think?
I guess you could say that he's a healer because he's been able to heal dumbledore's wound... i'm not really sure if that's what you mean...

~Kate

Oh my goodness. . . it's Clara!!! I miss you lady.

I am going to have to dissect your post because there are just so many good points and thought provoking questions.

I agree that Severus felt repulsed at the idea of killing Dumbledore. He wouldn't even have a feeling of 'it's for the greater good' because Dumbledore was probably the only person who really knew Snape; who saw him grow into the trustworthy man he was. Severus absolutely must have hated the fact that he was about to lose the only friend who knew his true intentions.

Don't you think that after the 7th book the overall vision of Snape has been sweetened to an excessive grade? I mean, do you feel satisfied about how people see him NOW? do you think his character has improved or worsened its quality?

This is a point of contention with me. Part of what I love about Severus' character is that he is such a great villian. He has this inert evilness to him that when you read about the kind of man he was, his personality, he is not supposed to be loveable. He is the kind of hero that is hard to like because everything about him from his greasy hair to his snide comments are not supposed to endear others to him. I remember getting so grouchy after the release of Deathly Hallows when all of a sudden everyone was all gooey over Snape and saying he was "misunderstood". I think there were lots of us who understood who he was perfectly. I think the type of death that JKR gave him did a lot to disappoint me. I thought this was a weak death for his character. In my opinion, Severus is the strongest character she created. She made him even more powerful than her villan Voldemort and then she killed him so weakly, without a fight and whining that I think people almost felt sorry for him after they read the Princes Tale chapter. I was so mad that I threw the book across the room and then again after I read the Princes Tale.

Another side of Snape which is usually neglected is his ability to heal. A healer is not only a technician, but there are lots of emotional and human aspects involved in the healing act.

This is a fantastic question. I think that it is evident that Snape was a superb healer. He healed Malfoy when Harry threw that Sectumsempra curse and slashed his face all up. He slowed the progression of the curse that would have spread and killed DD a lot faster then it did. I even wrote in one of my stories (and I can't remember which of the three it is ) about the healing possibilities of Severus.
I remember when reading about the Sectumsempra countercurse and just feeling incredibly relieved and then realizing that Snape was talented beyond what I imagined. I also got the feeling that he took pride and felt satisfaction at being able to heal Draco at that moment. After all if he invented the actual curse, then he was brilliant enough to invent the countercurse, it must have taken a great emotional investment on his part. In order to be able to heal and create, Severus must have had an aspect of depth to his human emotions that JKR refused to let us see. It is very implied but if one reads between the lines it is there.

Don't you think that after the 7th book the overall vision of Snape has been sweetened to an excessive grade? I mean, do you feel satisfied about how people see him NOW? do you think his character has improved or worsened its quality?
For me, I thought it was weakened. I felt he was entombed with the past and the haunting echo of ‘what if’s’ in his mind. DD was no help! He was just as possessed! They had this bizarre old man club where neither one could go forward. It was a friendship based on their mutual miseries.

Another side of Snape which is usually neglected is his ability to heal. A healer is not only a technician, but there are lots of emotional and human aspects involved in the healing act.
What do you think?
I think it was difficult for him to be a healer since he was still wounded emotionally. When you’re raw like that it you might find yourself either lashing out, or becoming more detached from others. I think Snape had demonstrated both.

I know, I know, I’ve been away ~ but I do think about y’all a lot. It makes me smile.

Hi, hi ! I'm new in these parts, I was a little wary to come in and read about Snape because he's such a widely loved character and the questions would be rather thought out and interesting. I didn't want to use my brainpower (it's still summer, okay?!). So, please take care of me and I hope I can contribute to the discussion without making myself look too much like a fool.

Don't you think that after the 7th book the overall vision of Snape has been sweetened to an excessive grade? I mean, do you feel satisfied about how people see him NOW? Do you think his character has improved or worsened its quality?

Personally, I don't think it was sweetened to an excessive grade. Snape is a Penguin ~ he only shows the side of himself he wants others to see~ We never knew the real Snape because it was not beneficial to either him or the order and therefore the Snape we've know was not all of him. I don't know if I'm satisfied with how others see him now, but I know I am satisfied with how I see him. Severus is still human; we had to wonder throughout the series WHY was Snape part of the order; what made him want to join the good side, it can't be because he wants to be on the good side. He's still very much a Slytherin, but love is powerful (as we've seen displayed throughout the series!) and I find it a very plausable reason for Snape being with the Order and the good side. Am I even making sense or answering this? Haha. I don't think it has worsened or improved. He's just Severus Snape - and I've always loved him. My sister doesn't really like Snape much - even after finding out about his past - she wasn't a fan before or after. I, however, have always loved him, and I don't find myself liking him any less or more because of what I have found out. A true Snape-fan will love him no matter what !

~ Vortext: I laughed something aweful at the 'Bizarre old man club, with friendships based on mutual misery.' It's very true. I bet they both wore nothing but robes (nothing underneath; it's manditory :x) with woolen socks on !

Another side of Snape which is usually neglected is his ability to heal. A healer is not only a technician, but there are lots of emotional and human aspects involved in the healing act.
What do you think?

I think Snape definitely has a lot of emotional and human aspects, even if he doesn't show any but annoyance and anger. I don't believe he has to show these qualities while healing, and they may actually help in the acts of healing - having all of these emotions. However, it could cause it to be difficult to perform if he is emotionally unstable, but I don't see him as unstable, especially for all of the grief and torment he has endured over the years. I didn't know he had the ability to heal though; I knew he made potions that could do so, but... Yeah. I don't really know where I am going with this. He is detached like vortex said, but that could be helpful during healing - he won't get attached and he can view it strictly as a professional.

~ihkny

Um...I'm sure you've read all of the books, but just in case I get into trouble for not mentioning this; spoilers ahead:

Don't you think that after the 7th book the overall vision of Snape has been sweetened to an excessive grade? I mean, do you feel satisfied about how people see him NOW? Do you think his character has improved or worsened its quality?

I think that Snape's image has definetly improved. He went from being a 'side character', I suppose, to being very important in the main parts of book seven. That's pretty good!
By 'side character', I mean't like when Rowling pulled poor Snape out of the vault to have him sneeze in Chamber of Secrets. No, he wasn't in Lockhart's place, traveling down to the Chamber to battle the basilisk, but instead he was used....to sneeze.
I was talking to someone the other day, whom I had just met, and they said something like this: "Snape? Yeah, he was a good guy, right?"
Okay, so that's not the best it could've been, but I suppose it was better than after the 6th book: "SNAPE?!? What? I hate him! He killed Dumbledore!" as my other friend pointed out when I said he was my favorite. (What she didn't know. )



Exactly! Me too! Yes! So after 6th book: Killing Dumbledore, and still my favourite!
Oh, and just a side note: Even though all he did was sneeze, I was cheering, just happy he was himself, and in the book at all!

Another side of Snape, which is usually neglected, is his ability to heal. A healer is not only a technician, but there are lots of emotional and human aspects involved in the healing act. What do you think?

Hhmm...I don't know... Snape definetly healed Draco after the sectumsempra accident. He also sort-of healed Dumbledore's hand curse, and did it very well. Oh! I got it! In a way, Snape has been helping Harry emotionally. Yeah, sure, he was the mean teacher in Harry's life, but his comments kept Harry in line. Just think: If Snape hadn't have been giving Harry snide comments all his life, then this boy might've actually turned out to become the 'Quidditch star' James Potter Jr. he looks so much like.
Harry might've started bullying some Slytherins like James bullyed Severus. You could say that Harry has his mother in him too, but who knows what someone would do with too much fame or power, like Rita Skeeter (though she's just mean to Harry), or Dolores Umbridge (watch out for those centaurs! ). Oh, and though Severus is a fantasy character, I think that it's true: he is also a human fantasy character, so he can't be perfect....or can he?

Hope it's not too lengthy, and that I don't sound stupid or offend anyone,

~ Liz

Oh, and by the way, it may not mean too much to you, ihkny, but welcome!!!

I'm so glad to see this forum back up and running again. Woo!



Nevillesgirl, I totally have to agree with you on this. I don't know how well I described the way I percieved Snape, but I think I mentioned how others saw him. I loved the greasy, git Snape nobody loved- or some (Like you and I) loved to hate. He is such a great villian, such a complex character- and that's what made me love him so much. He was such a mystery to everyone, I could just imagine everything about him. "Everyone was all gooey over Snape and saying he was 'misunderstood'." ... Exactly what your post said- some of us knew exactly who he was- I always said he was a git, greasy and a grouch- but he was on our side. And like you, I thought his death was too weak for his character. Though the scene was emotional, I thought it was a rather disapointing death for his character. Maybe Jo thought he endured enough throughout his life he needed to die in a less-publisized way? ... But still. Acually, I don't think he should have died at all, but I can't tell Jo what to write.

snapeworshipper, I really can see how Snape kept Harry in line. By healing Harry- I don't see it so much as healing, but more as looking after him, because of Lily. Severus despised James, but he loved Lily, so by keeping Harry in check with his lovely remarks, I do believe he kept Harry in line. Like you said, without those remarks, I'm sure he would have become the cocky big-shot student, which in some sence I think he was anyways. Like Ron said, "he has a saving-people-thing" ...

I'm off track. I guess I'll stop here.

- Sam

PS- Welcome ihkny to S.O.S.S! I abseloutely love your Bella icon in your signature, also!

Thank you !

~I definitely agree that Snape was killed in an extremely unsatisfying way. It didn't have to be something overly dramatized but... killed by Nagini is just disappointing. I can't say I ever got "gooey" over Snape, lol, maybe over Alan Rickman ! I didn't get angry and throw my book though, haha. I liked that we got to see the reasons behind his actions; however selfish and dispiscable they really were. Misunderstood - difinitely not - he wanted to be seen the way he was, that was how he was, how he always was. Just because he loved Lily didn't mean he cared a thing about James and Harry.

~~ Snape did keep Harry in line, but I hardly doubt that was a conscious decision in respects to Lily. He was just being his snarky, witty self. Probably saw James in him and couldn't keep himself from hating the boy and couldn't pass up the chance to give him a good verbal lashing.

~~~ Thank you HarryPotterIsLife ! I love that icon too. I can imagine the words "And I will dominate you" after it.

~~~~ihkny

nevillesgirl i also agree with you on that one. I dont think Snape's death did his character any justice especially after reading The Princes Tale but Im worried I may go off topic if i start rambling now..

Don't you think that after the 7th book the overall vision of Snape has been sweetened to an excessive grade? I mean, do you feel satisfied about how people see him NOW? Do you think his character has improved or worsened its quality?
Hmm I dont think it has been sweetened to an excessive grade, personally I was left with a satisfying feeling of knowing that Snape was a 'good guy' all along even though we were led to believe otherwise. I would have been a lot more dissapointed if he had been on Voldemort's side and this was his reason for killing Dumbledore
I think finding out about his past explained why he acted the way he did and for me it just made him a bit more human, so personally I think it needed to be 'sweetened'

so yea i agree with that basically - Im happy with the way i see him now, it has only made me like his character a lot more

Another side of Snape, which is usually neglected, is his ability to heal. A healer is not only a technician, but there are lots of emotional and human aspects involved in the healing act. What do you think?
I dont quite get if you mean physically or emotionally but i guess it could mean both?
I think physically Snape has been quite a good healer, if like people have mentioned we take the healing of Malfoy after sectumsempra - the fact that Snape had even made a counter curse in the first place meant that he was prepared to 'undo' any damage caused

As for emotionally I think Snape personally never really healed - his feelings for Lily and the hurt he felt is something i believe he never quite got over and thats why he treated Harry the way he did for so long

Hey Snape-ettes! I hope everyone is doing good? I'm so glad to see the conversation budding around the thread. It makes me so happy to see all of the fans of Severus participating again!

I come bearing good, bad and great news. So, we'll start out with the good, shall we?

Time to announce July's Devotee of the Month!



For ongoing participation in the thread on top of very detailed responses and discussions, I think that the Devotee rightfully belongs to you, Nick. I wish I could've been around more to tell you how great I think your feedback is, so this is my way of showing you. I will be sending you your icon straight away (I just finished it), and thanks again for your participation! Congratulations!
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Now for the not-so-good news.

A few days ago I talked to Janet (Passerby) via PM and told her that I feel that it's time for me to retire my position as the S.O.S.S. President. Between school starting on Monday, tennis starting, all of the school publications getting started and me just getting a job (as of Tuesday), I feel like I won't be able to devote as much time to the thread as it rightfully deserves. Actually, I feel like I've been slacking at that already.

I also came to her [Janet] with a suggestion of who I though would make a great new President, and after consulting with this person, I would like to give you the great news!



I can't wait to join in the discussions as soon as things settle down here!


Ashley

Awe yay!! Thank you so very much Ashley It means a ton to me to know that I'm a valued member of SOSS and I hope I can continue to contribute as much as possible to make this thread and club an amazing one here at VTM.



I'm very sorry to hear that you are stepping down from your position as President of SOSS. But I wish you all the luck in school, tennis, and your job. But at least your living up to your name You've done a phenomenal job and I'm sure we'll see you posting in here a bunch.

Finally...




Congratulations Amanda!! I'm so happy for you and I know that you'll will be a great President for SOSS. You've mentioned to me before that this is your favorite thread on VTM and you deserve the position. Congratulations and good luck!!


-Nick
HJP

Congratulations Harry James Potter and Nevillesgirl. As I'm new I can't really say much about you stepping down Workaholic_1231, just that I hope you continue to post and hang around Veritaserum, and that real life doesn't swamp you down !

Hello everyone.

First of all I want to wish Ashley(workaholic123) the success she deserves in her personal goals as she starts another school year. I will miss her insight and friendship around the SOSS though I am sure she will be popping in from time to time and also to help me out on the more technical stuff for this thread.

Thanks to all of you who congratulated me on becoming the President of this fantastic club. I am honored to take over such a prized position and hope to do it justice.

My first order of business is to announce a contest. Write your best pitch in honor of Severus Snape to be inducted into the Wizengamot after his death. Please post your entry directly here in the thread.

Secondly, I am taking applications for a fanfic coordinator. This will be the person who takes charge of the fanfictions the thread does through out the year. The responsibilities include managing the fanfiction by making sure the story stays on track, the members stick to the guidelines of plot, theme and timeline. This term will end in December 2008 and then we will conduct a reapplication process starting for January 2009. If you are interested please PM me and make a pitch for yourself.

My third order of business is to announce that we are going to have a fanfiction dedicated to Severus Snape. If you have any ideas about the timeline and plot, post it directly in this thread and we will decided collectively as a club as too which one we would like to write.

I hope to get a good response from all of you.

Take Care,
~Amanda~

Hello,

My goodness, I do miss this thread so much!!!

First off, Congratulations to Amanda, you do deserve this.

And also to Harry James Potter for July's devotee of the month.

I hope I can pop in more frequently but its just that a lot of work to be done this year.

To Ashley, it's been quite an adventure posting here during your term. Good luck to you and see you here again in the future.