I think her only roll is to keep pushing and doubting Neville that way one day he will show her and like smoke Bellatrix.

I agree with you, in that I don't think Neville's grandmother will play a huge rolE. However, I don't think he only rolE is to "push" and "doubt" Neville. I think she may play some other part. Besides, she doesn't doubt Neville, she's just trying to get by. I mean, it's not like she has it easy either

I think that Ginny will die in either Book 6 or 7. I think this because in the boggart scene in OotP (The Woes of Mrs. Weasley) the only member of her family that she did not see die is Ginny.. so maybe this is a clue?

I think that in the end Harry will sacrifice himself for the Wizarding World. Think about it he will have to choose between sacrificing himself or not killing Voldemort at all. Also, Harry is the only member of the trio that has not made a sacrifice. In SS/PS Ron sacrifices himself in the chess game so Harry can go on and in PoA Hermione says that if Sirius wants to kill Harry he will have to kill her and Ron first. So now i think its Harry's turn to make a sacrifice.

I also think tha Dumbledore's brother will eventually play a major role in one of the future books. When Harry is in the hog's head it says in the book that the barman had a long grey bearda nd looked vaguely familiar to harry...maybe this is Aberforth? Dumbledore could have advised Aberforth to spy on the Hog's Head because weird stuff happens in there.

I think that in Book 6 Wormtail will die saving harry. he has adebt to pay to him and i belive that he will be the next marauder to die. And then somehow Harry will miracuously escape just as Voldemort realized what Wormtail has just done.

Hullo Everybody,

This is what J.K says on her web site :
Section: F.A.Q.
In what way is 'Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince' related to 'Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets'?


“The link I mentioned between books two and six does not, in fact, relate to the 'Half-Blood Prince' (because there is no trace left of the HBP storyline in 'Chamber'.) Rather, it relates to a discovery Harry made in 'Chamber' that foreshadows something that he finds out in 'Prince'.”

So harry found something in the “Chamber” that he also finds in the “Prince”.

The Word “Chamber” could mean the whole book or only the Slytherin’s chamber .

For a while we shall narrow it only to the Slytherin’s chamber so as to foresee the limited version of possibilities and to make it easier to read the “stars” of Harry Potter six through the “inner eye”.

So lets go back to the chamber itself, and find out what “findings” of harry we can find there.

Here is my Lists of findings in the Chamber:

He found the chamber was very deep( miles under school ), probably under the lake.
He found a gigantic snake skin, of a vivid, poisonous green, lying curled and empty across the tunnel floor.
He found Gilderoy Lockhhart being memory charmed by his own spell backfiring.
He found that the chamber was very delicate because it caved in by a single spell.
He found entwined serpents carved, their eyes set with great, glinting emeralds.
He learned that he can speak parseltongue without realizing it if he comes across snakes or magical snakes that can look real.
In the next part of the chamber he found a very long, dimly lit chamber, with towering stone pillars entwined with more carved serpents supporting the ceiling.It filled it with greenish gloom.
He discovered the hollow eye sockets of the stone snakes seemed to be following him.
He found a statue, and it’s face was ancient and monkey-like, with a thin long beard that fell almost to the bottom of the wizard’s sweeping stone robes, where two enormous grey feet, face stood on the smooth chamber floor.
He found Ginny still lived.
He found the sixteen year old Tom Riddle in the chamber.
He found that the basilisk doesn’t come until called.
He found that Tom Riddle was interested in him.
He found that Ginny was betrayed or deceived by a thing or person she came to like and loved. Or in other words her choices were not right.
He found that Ginny had been controlled by Tom Riddle.
He found that Tom Riddle had also deceived him. Or in other words his choices were not correct.
He found that Tom Riddle was using Ginny to restore himself.
He found Tom Riddle was Voldemort
He found that Riddle’s mother was the descendant of Salazar so he himself was.
He found that his trust in Dumbledore did not wavered in front of Riddle.
This led him to discover that his trust in Dumbledore was rewarded with his Pet Fawkes and the Sorting Hat for defence against Voldemort.
He found that Riddle and he had certain similarities.(Riddle’s Power Transferred)
He found Godric Gryffindor’s sword in the Sorting Hat.


I believe from this list we can extract certain possibilities or Clues.

For now lets suppose that the Half Blood Prince is actually a person, what can be in him(qualities and physical appearance) that Harry sees and can be found in this list?
These are my theories:

“He found entwined serpents carved, their eyes set with great, glinting emeralds”

This leads me to believe that HBP would have green(emerald) eyes.

“He learned that he can speak parseltongue without realizing it if he comes across snakes or magical snakes that can look real.”

HBP could also speak Parseltongue.

“He found that Tom Riddle was interested in him.”

“He discovered the hollow eye sockets of the stone snakes seemed to be following him.”

Harry would find that HBP would be interested in him, his eyes would follow him around.


“He found a statue, and it’s face was ancient and monkey-like, with a thin long beard that fell almost to the bottom of the wizard’s sweeping stone robes, where two enormous grey feet, face stood on the smooth chamber floor.”

I believe this is the statue of Salazar, and this appearance (ancient and monkey-like with a thin long beard) could be the same as HBP.(interesting)

“He found that Ginny was betrayed or deceived by a thing or person she came to like and loved. Or in other words her choices were not right.”

This strikes me very very much. This is what J.k wrote on her website: “The story of 'Prince' takes off where 'Phoenix' ended and does not hark back to four years previously.”
At the end of the Phoenix, Ginny chose Dean Thomas, what if it proves to be another betrayal?


“He found that his trust in Dumbledore did not wavered in front of Riddle.’

This may be the case for HBP as well.

“He found Godric Gryffindor’s sword in the Sorting Hat.”

HBP may also pull something out of the Hat.


Concluding all these points I believe at least one thing is for certain , there is going to be a GREAT BETRAYAL AND TRAITOR.

My Guess is…………………..Mundungus Fletcher. Yes, and for three solid reasons.

1. I believe he purposely left on his guard duty which was for protecting Harry, so that he may be attacked.
2. He is very much inclined towards money and is not be trusted, he is big fraud too.
3. Thirdly and most importantly (I believe you all will find this very interesting):In the Second Book(chamber of secrets) in the chapter “The Burrow” when Mr.Weasley comes home he says this(I don’t know the exact line no) : “What a night,” he mumbled, groping for the teapot as they all sat down around him.”Nine raids. Nine! And old Mundungus Fletcher tried to put a hex on me when I had my back turned.”

And I also believe that HBP may infact be another legend like the legend of the chamber of secrets.

These are all my Theories and predictions from the chamber only. Now I will try to unravel some more clues, but this time from the whole Book.

Opinions,everybody???

Mansoor Khan,
God Bless All of You.

*claps and bows* nice theory. Nice work. But now, we need to riddle the clues, and see. I think....according to those theories, my ONLY guess as to who it could be is Voldemorts son. He is gonna have a kid to pick up where he left off, you know, like Hitler intended to do. This kid will have all those charateristics.

wow! nice theory. the only thing is i hear all these theories and they all sound like they work. but kudos that is some amazing research you have there.

Yeah, good research mansoorkhan, but I've already posted my thoughts about some of those points on the other thread that your post appeared on so I won't repeat them all here....(my poor little fingers won't take the strain again!! )

Anyway, you raised the topic of a possible traitor in the Order and there's been a few ideas already posted on afore mentioned thread about that, but 'cos it was getting a bit off topic, I thought I'd better shift over here to this thread quick before I get yelled at...

So....**sighs**...this traitor.....

It would have to be someone within Grimmauld Place and therefore quite possibly a member of the first order...

I don't think it's Mundungus, for reasons I've already mentioned before....

It can't be Dumbledore, obviously...Nor Sirius, (well, duh!!), Lupin (Highly unlikely...at least intentionally....), Moody (been there, done that), McGonagall, Snape (tempting....but, no...DD trust him) or the Weasleys, which leaves mostly the newcomers, and a handful of the original order...

Tonks, Shacklebolt, Dedalus Diggle, Elphias Doge, Emmeline Vance, Hestia Jones, Sturgis Podmore....and there are probably others but I can't think now....

I suppose Sturgis Podmore is the most likely candidate at the moment because I suppose he was under the Imperious curse when he tried to get into the DoM...so maybe it wasn't intentional?

Mmm....I don't know...what do you all reckon?

(BTW, Voldemort, I think JKR's already said that your namesake doesn't have a son, but it was a nice idea.....)

At the start of the chapter “ The Deathday Party”, Nick gets a letter from Sir Patrick Delaney-Podmore saying that he can’t join the Headless hunt.
Could he be related to Sturgis Podmore?

It is quite true that Mundungus doesnt completely fits in,i felt the same when writing about it, but u never Know.Secondly, wormatail too was a traitor and was in the order too, this makes me think that that certain unknown people out there have the ability to block Dumbledore's Legilimency.

I beieve the thing Dumbledore said about choices being more important rather than our abilities is far more important then we can guess.Certain characters shows us this:
For example wormatil was in Gryffindor and he turned to be a coward and disloyal which opposes the characteristics of the Gryffindors who are meant to be Brave and Loyal.He certainly would have been asked to go in Slystherin by the Sorting hat.This shows us that a Gryffindor had opposed its characteristics and may be the time would be ripe to show us some good qualities in a slytherin.What about HBP being the person to do it.


If COS and HBP's storylines were similar although they were exchanged then still the Moral will be the same: Our Choices Being More Important Than Our Abilities.

In the next Book, i would like Harry To practice and use some of the Dark Magic, especially the unforgivable ones.

Mansoor Khan

“The link I mentioned between books two and six does not, in fact, relate to the 'Half-Blood Prince' (because there is no trace left of the HBP storyline in 'Chamber'.) Rather, it relates to a discovery Harry made in 'Chamber' that foreshadows something that he finds out in 'Prince'.”

Now if we see the word “chamber” as the whole book, similarly it would mean that “prince” too would mean the book 6. The word foreshadow means:
Prefigure, Presage, Foretell, Predict, Indicate, Warn Of, Augur.

The best meanings which makes sense with J.K’s wordings are Prefigure or Indicate.
Now what could be the thing that he founds out that Indicates or Prefigures something in Book six?
As it is only the second book which has the connection, then we can cross out the things similar in the other books, like Harry ‘s treatment at the Private Drive, Usual lessons, and Snape’s and Harry’s usual differences. We just have to find the oddities in book 2 or the distinctions between it and the other books.
Here is what I could find:

He firsts meets the house-elf Dobby and instantly sees them human enough, with respect and considers him a bit Odd.
Dobby says that History is about to repeat itself.
Dobby tries to prevent Harry from going to Hogwarts.
The dursleys get to know that harry cant do magic outside the school.
The weasleys rescue harry and for the first time harry finds a flying Car.
He is welcomed at the Burrow.
He travels first time by the Floo Powder
He ends up at the Knockturn Alley.
He sees Mr.Malfoy for the first time and gets to know that he has stuff which is of great dark value at his house and would embarrass him.
He and Ron are unable to get past the barrier which is magically locked by Dobby.
They travel by the flying car to hogwarts and meet the whomping willow.
They receive a Howler.
They discover a very show off DADA teacher this time.
He discovers that some people hold themselves above all because of their blood characteristics.
Harry hears odd voices that nobody can hear while doing his detention.
He discovers that some people from magical families are unable to perform magic and are Squibs.
He goes to Nick ‘s Deathday Party which coincidently is at the same time as Halloween.
He discover that Nick died on 31st October 1492 which means that he is at hogwarts from a very long time. He must have witnessed everything there, including all about Tom riddle, harry’s parents and everybody from the old crowd. Infact he would have been there before even Dumbledore who is about 150.This suggests that he should have more knowledge about Hogwarts then anybody else.
Harr encounters Moaning Mertyle for the first time.
He hears odd voices again and finds that some chamber has been opened again.
He finds Mrs.Norris petrified.
They discover the whole fascinating story of the chamber and Salazar Slytherin being more selective of choosing wizards of Muggle parentage.
They make Polyjuice Potion.
Harry discovers a Rogue Bludger.
Harry discovers he is Parselmouth.
He learns the Disarimng spell.
More people are petrified and he visits Dumbledore’s Office for the first time and finds it fascinating.
He encounters a Phoenix for the first time.
They use the polyjuice potion and the only thing of value they discover is that Malfoy’s had their own secret chamber under the drawing room floor containing very valuable Dark Arts stuff.
Harry finds Riddle’s secret diary and discovers that Hagrid was framed by riddle for setting the monster at Hogwarts.
He encounters a Dwarf for the first time.
He meets the minister fudge and Dumbledore is removed from howarts.
Hermione is attacked.
They meet Aragog, finds that Hagrid was innocent and escape narrowly.
Ginny goes down the chamber.
The chamber stuff has been posted already so I will skip that.
He realizes that Mr.Malfoy was the one who gave this diary to Ginny to create things at Hogwarts and to bring back Voldemort’s past at least.
And finally he frees Dobby and finds that Percy had a girlfriend.


From this list I can extract only a few things:

We know that Mr.Malfoy has Dark Art objects at his residence presumably given by voldemort. Now Malfoy also knows this and maybe his Father restricts him from using any of these things. But at the end of OOTP Mr.Malfoy gets Prisoned, and Malfoy is in rage now that his Father has been captured due to Potter. Maybe now because his father is not there to restrict him from using the Dark Arts Stuff and he wants to get revenge from harry, he brings another of these magical objects into the storyline.

Now lets guess what could we see from Voldemort’s point of view:

Voldemort knows that Harry is protected by Dumbledore at Hogwarts as well as at the Dursleys. Now as his wrath is growing quickly because he has failed many times to capture him. He also knows one thing that he goes to hogwarts at a certain day, I believe at Sept 1. Now that he can come into the open, maybe he also seals the magical barrier at the station. Harry is although accompanied by the members of the order there too but it is not the same thing as being under the nose of Dumbledore and being protected by the old magic at the dursleys.
I believe the reason why Fudge would be stripped of the ministers badge would be that at first he ignored Voldemorts return, did not take the necessary precautions to safeguard the wizarding world, and early in the sixth book I believe that the captured deatheaters would escape which would question his position even more.

Next to Mundungus the only person I believe could turn to the Bad side would be…………………………….Percy Weasley. He from the start is shown as a very ambitious personality who will set aside anything that comes in his ambitions even his own family. Next to that he looks like very much like Voldemort’s past. He was a perfect , headboy and good in everything, even Ron mentions this in the Chamber of Secrets when they find that Tom Riddle had got an award for especial services to school. Now that every Deatheater that worked at the ministry has been recognized for what they are, Voldemort would want another spy to be at the ministry. He could charm Percy by his famous motto: “There is no good or evil, there is only power, and those too weak to see it….”

Percy Weasley has always been shown different from the rest of the weasleys. His choices have always been worng. Percy Weasley could easily come back and do voldemorts dirty work.

Sorry for the long post, could not stop myself.

Views???

Mansoor Khan,
God Bless All Of You.

Good idea. There dosen't HAVE to be a spy although I am sure their is.

And JKR said that Tom dosen't have one NOW didn't she? Never that he'll make one in the future did she? Again, I doubt he will, but it'd be a good idea for him. I don't see why there is a spy. Yes, Percy does seem the type to be like Tom Marvolo Riddle. Prefect. But they have many differences, although they strive for greatness and remove any barrier that blocks his way to his dreams. Percy didn't disappear into Dark Arts after leaving Hogwarts. Tom didn't go work with the Ministry for awhile. Percy, to me, is weak, unpowerful I should say. Intelligient, bright, yes, but powerful, no.

I also posted this theory on mugglenet new clues forum, and on another veritaserum board btw.i wanted more "feedback".


i think lupin is the halfblood prince. jkr said that he is halfblood, and i just found evidence in mythology about the prince part. (this quote is from a website)

Quote:
According to the Roman legend, Romulus was the founder of Rome and Remus was his twin brother. Their story begins with their grandfather Numitor, king of the ancient Italian city of Alba Longa, was deposed by his brother Amulius. Numitor's daughter, Rhea Silvia, was made a Vestal Virgin by Amulius - this means that she was made a priestess of the godess Vesta and forbidden to marry. Nevertheless, Mars, the god of war, fell in love with her and she gave birth to twin sons.



so numitor's daughter wasnt a princess because she was some kind of special priestess. next in line for prince hood would be romulus and most importantly, remus. by the way, numitor did evuantally get the throne back from his brother.also, in the legend, rom. and remus were half god, half human. ( just like r.lupin is halfblood in hp). i support this idea because i know that a lot of the names in harr y potter have meanings. i think this is evidence in legend that remus lupin will be the half blood prince.


woah


lupin

We've hears this theory plenty of times, just JKR said Remus has NO brothers. SO, therefore this theory goes down.

ive already told you htough, its not entirely based on the myth

Sorry if I was rude about it. I didn't read it all though, just thought it was another SAME exact theory as another.

haha sorry. it was the same theory, i posted it on several boards of different topics

I've just had an idea about how the issue of Harry's choices and the power 'that the dark lord knows not' could be tied....

What about this....

Something happens during the final battle that means that Voldemort and Harry are left in a situation where Harry has to make the CHOICE between finally killing Voldemort forever thereby saving everyone and saving himself from a perilous ( ) situation.

After battling with himself and all the possible outcomes of his decision, Harry CHOOSES to save his friends rather than himself, killing both Voldemort and himself in the process. Voldemort could never understand that - that someone loves and cares so much for his friends that he would sacrifice himself in order to save them. 'Greater love hath no man than this, that he would lay down his life for his friends...'

THEN, just when everyone REALLY BELIEVES that Harry is gone, having given his life for the NOBLEST (my whole nobility thing, posted on one of the other threads) of causes, the phoenix feather in his wand means that he is allowed to be 'reborn', thus making for the traditional happy-ever-after-ending that I think 95% of JKR's fans want.

What do you reckon?

Good theory. But what if they use wandless magic? If Harry doesn't have his wand then it wouldn't work, right?

What about James? He sacrified himself for his family and really the world, seeing as it was his son who was our only hope. How come he didn't rise again? But we really don't know what was in his wand I suppose...

PS I'm not trying to pick on you. Just saying...

Oh don't worry...I'm much harder to offend than that...

But Ollivander said that the phoenix that gave the feather in Harry's wand only gave one other and that was to Voldemort. If you go by myth which suggests that there's only one phoenix alive at any time, then James couldn't have had a phoenix feather in his wand. I don't know if it says anywhere what exactly was in his wand, but anyway....Harry's not going to rise again just because he saved the world. There's more to it than that. As for wandless magic, yes - that probably will be the way Voldemort's done in eventually, but that was just one aspect of the theory. The 'perilous situation' could be absolutely anything and probably won't involve magic at all. Maybe it involves the infamous Veil or something - anything, really, which could force Harry in to making a decision......

I like that theory, Scully. As long as Harry doesn't reaally die, and the whole rising again thing. I can deal with that. But I won't be happy if it turns out his spirit is set free....Argh, had to deal with that in Firewing and that was bad enough...especially considering it was Griffin's fault....whoops, I'm kinda drifting off here

i know luparius for real! the silverwing trilogy jsut went downhill after #1...anyways

so yeah dana, i like ur theory, i dunno about the whole rising back becuz of the phoenix feather...i dunno how important that is, the feather i mean. but i like the rest.

lol, I liked the trilogy, just not that stupid stupid ending...AAAAAAAAnyway

I really think that the phoenix feather is important as the core....or maybe the core has already served its purpose in book 4...Either way, I think the whole phoenix thing it really important....Hey, Fawkes helped to bring down the Basilisk, so maybe it'll get rid of Nagini

lol. hey, thats a good point about fawkes. you know, harry's eyes are green, snakes are green, maybe harry is like...the king od snakes? okay nm, thats a dumb theory....

You know, it's kind of odd that Gryffindor's symbol was a lion, yet this phoenix keeps popping up whenever something Gryffindory-ish happens or forms.....

hmm, yeah, we havent seen anything to do wiht lionshave we? then again, hufflepuff's symbol is a badger, maybe the symbols dont have much to do wiht it. slytherin's symbol is a snake becuz he can tlak ot them. do you think there's a reason that gryffindor's symbol is a lion?

I dunno, I'm just saying, there's a discussion about GG maybe being the HBP but Slytherin's heir was closely linked to snakes as he was himself but then there's this phoenix...or maybe JK just REALLY likes phoenixes

yeah thats always a possibilyt, they are fascinating creatures as DD said. i dunno. speaking of hufflepuff, i wanna learn more about the other houses, hufflepuff and ravenclaw. yu dont see them as much. i guess thats mostly becuz, you know, harry/draco, the ohter hosues jsut arent as important, but still.

Yeah but that would go against JK's unity theme...

There's too much prejudice against Slytherins... honestly.

I think Draco sort of reminded me of James in the pensieve. James started a fight with Severus out of mere boredom, Draco obviously starts fights with Harry (with what I assume is boredom). So... maybe Draco will save Harry's life, in some weird kind of alternative universe kind of thing!

My inspiration cells are currently malfunctioning. I shall be back soon!!!

Muahahahahahaha!!!!!

I didn't read the first half. But the Droobles Bubble-Gum thing is good. Maybe the fact that the Longbottoms are just excellent Aurors and would make a great asset to the Order if they ever regained insanity, they would/might know how to stop Voldemort.

all right, well, thanks dana_scully for looking up the lion stuff, that was interesting. BTW ravenclaw's symbol is actually an eagle, isnt it?

im not sure how important the gum is, i think its jsut an interesting trait jkr gave them, but its an interesting theory, and we definately shouldnt dismiss it.

I thought Ravenclaw was a Raven...or am I still imagining things...meh, I don't think the Droobles Best Blowing Gum is just an odd trait. I mean, we keep saying JKR does most of the imprtant things for a reason. I find it doubtful that two famous Ex_Aurors who happen to be Neville's parents are shown in detail to be randomly giving him specific bubble gum wrappers...it's just a little too odd......

eh, maybe. i dont know why i think its an eagle, i mena the house is called RAVENclaw, but im almost positive its an eagle.

Okay...badgers....hard to find out much about them, but apparently they are used in coats of arms in Britain to symbolise fireceness, courage, bravery, perseverance and protection. **shrugs** Kind of sounds like Gryffindor to me.....

Mmm...so there we go then....

Er....anyway...not sure about Ravenclaw....If its an eagle, then that's pretty much self explanatory, but if its a raven, they're associated with death and graveyards and stuff, aren't they?

And I agree with Luparius....I don't think JKR would put the Droobles thing in if it wasn't important. That scene in OoTP would have been pretty much irrelevant otherwise, wouldn't it? I mean, Hermione and Ron could still have met Neville and his gran at the hospital and found out about his parents without his mother coming along and handing him the wrappers.

And we also know that JKR does love her word games.....

yeah...i dunno, i suppose ur right baout drooble's. to me, it just seems like she put it in to show how crazy his mom was, and his relationship wiht her (keeping the wrappers). so its not like she didnt put it in for a reason, i just dont think there's any big secret behind the gum wrappers. still,with jkr you can never tell, can you?

Nope, never! XD

Raven - The raven itself is the laregest songbird, extremely intelligent and clever mimics. They apparently hold the teachings of mysticism and magic, as well as the knowledge of the mystery of life. They may be keepers of secrets and may also bring about changes in conciousness and spiritual awakenings. Ravens pick their students and kindred souls based upon the persons accumulated wisdom....

Eagle - Known as messengers to the Creator and bringers of visions, they supposedly teach us to move through life without becoming too attached to anything. Also to take anything that comes our way strongly and live life to the fullest. They remind us that our words may cause harm to others and to be watchful of our tongues, and keep our minds focused on what is important in life. The students or kindred sould in this house would have excellent clarity and good vision (figuratively) and be able to bring out the light from the darkness within people....

Ooo and badgers...how'd I forget that?

Badgers - Associated with illusion (What you see isn't always what you get!) Represent tidiness and organization. Bold and ferocious they may be unsociable and shun authority, but will stand their ground in any confronatation. They are strongly connected with plants and animals as well as the magic of life and creation, but may have difficulty expressing themselves in a precise and balanced way...

Doesn't really sound like Hufflepuff...but there is Ernie MacMillan meh

But the plant thing would explain why Prof, Sprout is haed of Hufflepuff.

Good research.

yeah it was good, raven sounds more like ravenclaw.

does anyone know for sure whether ravenclaw's symbol is a raven or eagle?

Yeah, it's an eagle....I was reading SS last night....

Did I say it was a raven originally? **shrugs**...meh...that'll teach me to read the books first in future, won't it?

Anywho, why'd JKR call it Ravenclaw then? Why not Eagleclaw, or Eaglewing or....whatever?

Probably thought it sounded cool or something, I guess......

hmm, that is weird isnt it? i dont suppose theres any real reason for that...?

Really?! It's an eagle? That doesn't make any sense....I mean at least the other symbols embody that house and besides that....Do you have the actual quote? 'Cause this is throwing off my whole Harry Potter belief system....i'll stop

It's definitely an eagle...honest! I've looked, but I can't find the quote now. I'm reading SS again though at the moment, so as soon as I come to that bit, I'll let you know...unless someone else had found it in the meantime.

The Hogwarts crest on the inside cover of the books (at least in the British ones) shows the four animals too - granted, it's a little difficult to really make it out, but the bird doesn't look much like a raven to me....

Harry get in trouble for an unforgivable curse? I think he'll be pardoned because it was against the Dark Lord! People can hold a double standard for someone who is trying to defend their life. If you use your gun to defend yourself from a killer, you dont' get in trouble. Neither should Harry when he used his wand against her. It probably becomes more about morals at that point. If you should've just knocked Bellatrix out cold. But she's a strong witch and she needs a strong curse to defeat her.

Well if Harry gets in trouble, Umbridge is going to be in big trouble for saying "Crucio" as well.

My theory of why Dumbledore didn't kill Voldemort is because he can't. Only Harry can kill Voldemort and vice versa. Voldemort is probably playing on Harry's weakness, the people he love and are important in his life. Lupin will be the one of them and I think there's a big chance he'll die.

OMG!!!! You said the 'D' word!!!!!! Don't you know you'll get flayed alive by our resident pack of werewolves for saying such things!!!!!

Oh dear....I wouldn't step by LupinLand for a while....we bite, ya know... (Only joking, mate..... Us Lupinites are very sensitive.... )

Lupin's not gonna...that word....JKR's not that cruel to her readers (not to mention Harry!)....is she? **hopes desperately**

But seriously, nah...I don't think Harry's going to get into trouble for using Crucio...although DD may speak to him about it, when he's not so upset. There are other ways he could have stopped Bella - Protego, Stupefy...

Crucio is torture, it's cruel, inhumane and there is never a legitimate excuse for it under any circumstances. But Harry will probably get away with just a mild reprimand because he was in such a state at the time he did it.....temporary insanity, ya know... Self defense is one thing - deliberately causing pain for the purposes of revenge and not for incapacitation is quite another

****** brilliant I give you major props for vcoming up with that

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this is gonna sound horrible but i'll say it antway . i kinda hope harry dose get in trouble for using the cruciatus curse not like heaps of trouble just a little bit like a slap on the wrist or something just so he dosn't do it again. and i hope but doubt that sirius will return it would really shake things up a bit i just hope that the next 2 will be as good if not better than the 6th though i know this will be but i just thought i'd say it anyway.