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uzzzkata
QUOTE(lupin<3tonks @ Aug 11 2008, 08:25 PM) [snapback]528941[/snapback]

There is one other characteristic that has a negative connotation to it which has been used in the same sentence as Ravenclaw. Snobby. However, I think the term snobby is a bit harsh and the wrong word. When I think of Ravenclaw I see the students as confident. Your intelligence gives your ego a boost and makes you feel good about yourself and therefore you exude confidence and sometimes this can be misconstrued as snobby or cocky.

Good point, a high confidence sometimes leads to snobby behaviour. And many times knowledge with confidence is misinterpreted as snobbery, too. Though not everyone who's smart and intelligent is confident; I know people who don't really know how wise they are! But, still, whenever they say something that shows their intelligence, people take it as snobbish. huh.gif I suppose some people would even see Luna as snobby...
But yeah, most are confident too. And I agree with the rest that has been said aswell, perfectionists, analytical thinking...
I don't think competitiveness is necessarily a Ravenclaw characteristic.

Thinkig about this confident-thing, something else crossed my mind that I'd like to ask:
Do you work well in a team or do you work better alone? I suppose both could characterize a Ravenclaw for different reasons, but I don't know which is the predominant...

As for me, I work better alone. Or when I have a leading role in a team or supervising or coordonading it. If we divide the work equally between ourselves, I just can't bear to watch someone else doing something the wrong way, and thus I most likely end up doing their work aswell... wacko.gif
Witherwings
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There is one other ch aracteristic that has a negative connotation to it which has been used in the same sentence as Ravenclaw. Snobby. However, I think the term snobby is a bit harsh and the wrong word. When I think of Ravenclaw I see the students as confident. Your intelligence gives your ego a boost and makes you feel good about yourself and therefore you exude confidence and sometimes this can be misconstrued as snobby or cocky.

I completely agree. Some of them get a bit 'snobby', as they say, but there are some who are just fine. And not necessairily all Ravenclaws are that confident, or like that. Take Luna, for example. Great girl. She could never pass off as anything close to snobby. Sure, she's confident about her own, well, ''beliefs'', but it doesn't affect her ego at all. So that's a good point on the list; confident. Not snobby or whatever word we used before! Confident. I don't think competitiveness either! Unlike Slytherins, they don't look for fights or try to challenge others. [Some] just show off their knowledge their own way, without necessairily showing how much better they are than others.

And just a side note, padfootx, about your later post... I wouldn't say everyone who has money is snobby.

Do you work well in a team or do you work better alone? I suppose both could ch aracterize a Ravenclaw for different reasons, but I don't know which is the predominant...

Oh jeez! Alone, for sure. This is something that really bothers me. I really hate working in groups. There are many reasons for this. First, when you don't know who you're working with. Sure, they say you won't always get it your way, but still... I prefer working with someone who can actually do something, because I tend to be a quick learner and get, erm, impatient, I have to admit. Second, I suppose I do like to get it my way. Not necessairily in a bad way, but I mean... I tend to automatically get ideas and start seeing the big picture, imagining the thing as a whole as if I were the only one working, as if it were all my decisions. And then I dunno, I guess when I realize I won't be able to decide everything, my dreams are sort of crushed. laugh.gif Third, kind of mixing the two- when I'm paired up with someone who doesn't work or doesn't care and lets me do what I want with the whole thing, I feel bad. And I don't mean someone who doesn't do their part. I just mean someone who lets me take control. I'm not much of a leader, I hate leading, actually (which must be a confusing statement, I know, lol). So then, unlike what it should technically be, I'm not completely happy when I get it my way, because I feel bad for the other person and I don't feel quite comfortable controlling it all. You never know what the other person's thinking! That's what preoccupies me the most. I'm the kind of person who overthinks stuff, who worries about others too much. Feels bad. Like the 'but what about them?' type of person.

But anyways, I see Ravenclaws as being more of the independant kind, and then, like... Hufflepuffs working together.
nicky potter
Do you work well in a team or do you work better alone? I suppose both could ch aracterize a Ravenclaw for different reasons, but I don't know which is the predominant...

Well before I answer I would like to say yes I am Hufflepuff but if not then I'd probably be Ravenclaw. And Wngs even I a Hufflepuff would much rather work alone. I have been asked this in school before and that's always been my answer. Alone. Only very few exceptions. Alot of them were mentioned in Wing's post. First my personal reason is because when it comes to projects and stuff I really don't like to depend on others. I hate to go down for someone who just didnt care or feel like it. I hate when I get those responds. And usually anytime there are group projects people just want to work with me becuase they know that I do my job and I do it right. I don't want to sound obnoxious but it's true; And I agree I hate working with God knows who. Which is probably my only exceptions to actually work in a group. If I am allowed to pick the people that I'd much rather work with. Sure sometimes they're my friends but I always lay out the rules to them laugh.gif I sound like a commander. Anywho there have been people that have worked with me and have told me that whatever I decide they'll go with it but I hate that. You need to put some effort in this. And apparently Wing's and I are more alike than I thought. I am the same when it comes to ideas. I already see the big pictures and I already know what way to go with it; All planned and then crushed when I am brought down back to reality and realize I am in a group. I am very controlling to what I want and how I want to do it which is why I hate working in groups. I am WAY too independent when it comes to that.
padfootx3
I must admit when I first heard snobby I got really offended, but i guess your right in sense some Ravenclaws are snobby, but not like the degree of snobby as in my school hopefully. In my school the snobs are the ones who are rich and get whatever they want but i think you mean snobby like know-it-alls right?

Anyways... onto the question...

Do you work well in a team or do you work better alone? I suppose both could characterize a Ravenclaw for different reasons, but I don't know which is the predominant...
Well, surprisingly, I like working in groups, but I do like having a leading role. I like working in groups because I like hearing what other people have to say. When i'm working independantly sometimes i'll just have a brain block and i'll procrastinate until the night before it's due. However, when i'm working with a group I feel like I have to do my part by contributing each day, which is good for me. biggrin.gif Overall, I think most Ravenclaws would prefer to work alone though. It just seems Ravenclaw-ish to want everything their way...

~Kate
lupin<3tonks
I think everyone didn't really understand my post earlier. I meant that instead of using the word snobby, confident is a better term. But no, I never meant that Ravenclaws are snobby! I should have left that part completely out and just stuck with confident in my post! Sorry about that! If you know me, you know I wouldn't say something like that!!!
bookworm_1918
Don't worry about it, lupin<3tonks. WHen I said it, too, it wasn't meant in a bad way, but just another way of saying confident. And I don't even mean that all Ravenclaws are snobby/confident, I just mean that sometimes it could lead to it, there's more of a chance you'd find an overly-confident person in Ravenclaw than in...oh, say, Hufflepuff!

Do you work well in a team or do you work better alone? I suppose both could characterize a Ravenclaw for different reasons, but I don't know which is the predominant...
Haha...I would most DEFINITELY like working alone better. I usually get what I"m being taught pretty quickly, you know, one or two math problems and Í've learnt it. SO, not trying to brag, I'm probably one of the (ahem) smarter kids in my class, and when I work solo I can concentrate more, go much faster, think on my own level and not have to worry about everybody else getting it right to. I read much quicker than kids in my grade, so I absolutely hate when you get grouped together to read something(usually because it's not on my level, and because I'm a fast reader), and it takes a group twice as long to finish a just a math problem or something as it would take just me/alone. Usually when we're forced to work in a group I'll just pick a smart friend...I can go at my own speed and she'll usually get it right away.

I've never had to do a whole project with a group(luckily they never made us) but I don't want to. Because I would get really mad if somebody didn't do what they were supposed do for their part of the project, and if you landed with someone like that, that would make me really really angry! The thing that I like is just working completely independently. I almost NEVER EVER want to work in a group. Becuase of how well I concentrate, too. WHen I'm working in a group for something, my mind wanders...but when I'm working alone, I can concentrate better and learn more.


Rachelle-is-a-Ravenclaw
Do you work well in a team or do you work better alone? I suppose both could characterize a Ravenclaw for different reasons, but I don't know which is the predominant...

Predominantly? I think that ravenclaws would be better suited to working individually, as bookworm_1918 says in the latter part of the post
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I've never had to do a whole project with a group(luckily they never made us) but I don't want to. Because I would get really mad if somebody didn't do what they were supposed do for their part of the project, and if you landed with someone like that, that would make me really really angry! The thing that I like is just working completely independently.
This is completely fustrating, I've had to work in a group in the past to complete a project, and i can say, it's not amusing, I had to take full responsibilities in the end simply because of the laziness of my fellow group members, also, trying not to be big- headed they know that I'm a smart girl, so they give the excuse that the presentation will look great if I manage it, but aaarrgghh! Makes me angry.
Anyway, slightly off topic there, yes, because ravenclaws to tend to be on the intelligent and perfectionist side, it's also much easier to adapt to new situations on one's own and learn new things without the distraction, hence I feel independant work is best, on the other hand if a certain group of ravenclaws were put together and work was distributed evenly the work produced would be good for a project without a doubt wink.gif

Rach

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Witherwings
Yeah I don't really have anything to say but I just thought of another thing that I think Ravenclaws are... open-minded. I kind of already elaborated on it in the 'Do you think anyone wasn't sorted in the right house' thread. biggrin.gif
harrypotterlover1024
Do you work well in a team or do you work better alone? I suppose both could characterize a Ravenclaw for different reasons, but I don't know which is the predominant...
I think I would better alone, but can still work good in a group. Sometimes I feel better about getting things done though when I am alone. I think Ravenclaws probably can do both, but work better alone. So I guess I'm in the right house tongue.gif Its not like Ravenclaws like to be in charge all the time, but they like to do things there own way.
padfootx3
QUOTE(lupin<3tonks @ Aug 11 2008, 11:10 PM) [snapback]529184[/snapback]

I think everyone didn't really understand my post earlier. I meant that instead of using the word snobby, confident is a better term. But no, I never meant that Ravenclaws are snobby! I should have left that part completely out and just stuck with confident in my post! Sorry about that! If you know me, you know I wouldn't say something like that!!!


Don't worry all is forgotten biggrin.gif I know your not like that, or at least online you dont seem like your like that tongue.gif

Witherwings, that's true openminded is a great trait of the Ravenclaws. *cough* luna *cough* haha

~Kate
bookworm_1918
Oh, here's a question:

Are you open-minded? That is to say, maybe a little more than Hermoine and a little less than Luna?
I'd like to say I am...I still wantto believe in HArry POtter, even thought of the many reasons my Dad pointed out to me it couldn't be true. No,I would not go as far as believing in the Crumple Horned Snorkack, but I would've believed in the Deathly Hallows a little more than Hermione, I think!
nicky potter
Are you open-minded? That is to say, maybe a little more than Hermoine and a little less than Luna?

Haha my answer is simple enough to make sense and pretty much gives the best to both worlds happy.gif I am as open minded as Luna but I question like Hermione<3 Go into details? Sure. I am the kind of person that is willing to listen to any theory just as long as it's not ignorant; I listen to all thoughts and I don't judge. But for the sake of debating and finding out answers there's no fun in just believeing anything. So I question and critique like Hermione laugh.gif I think that's a perfect balance<3
Witherwings
Are you open-minded? That is to say, maybe a little more than Hermione and a little less than Luna?

Aha, yeah less that Luna but more that Hermione, that's right. biggrin.gif I think I would have believed in the Deathly Hallows though. More that Hermione, at least. I tend to get fascinated by things, and the DH are just one of those mysteries I would have been obsessed about. happy.gif But anyways, it depends what you mean by being open-minded. In the case of believing things and learning new things, well, yes I suppose I'm open-minded. Just like that though. Not extremely, and not barely. I do tend to look for proof, though. But if you mean open-minded like doing new things, then I'd have to say I'm not really. mellow.gif I'm not sure, actually. It really depends. Sometimes I am, sometimes I'm not!
padfootx3
Are you open-minded? That is to say, maybe a little more than Hermione and a little less than Luna?
Well as Witherwings said there is a physical and mental 'open-minded', so i think i'll split up my answer.

Physical: I am very open-minded to doing knew things, trying new foods, meeting new people, etc., but I am not stupid. If something is dangerous or illegal or something then no, of course i will not be open-minded to do it! But as far as just trying new games and food and stuff like that then, yup, that's me biggrin.gif

Mental: Oh, I am almost too open-minded! I am just like Luna, I'll believe just about anything, some might even call me gullible. I am pretty similar to nicky because i'm the questioner! I have a million and one questions about everything. On carrides my parents used to have to limit my quesitons! But if someone says something then i'll pretty much just accept it.

~Kate
bookworm_1918
I was never a Ask-Lots-Of-Questions-Person, Kate tongue.gif...I'm usually not gullible, either, except for htis one time Sadie and I were sitting drawing each other...and Sadie got me with the 'Did you know gullible's not in the dictionary?' Sadie and my Mom laughed at me.. laugh.gif But usually I am not that gullible. I usually don't ask a lot of questions.

OK, now I try a lot of new things. I'll try the food (as long as it's not something called Snail Brains) and I'll try stuff like that, but not all of it. I even had the guts to try something my Uncle dumped on my plate at this one restaurant (it had a strange name, it was like a Mexican, Chinese restaurant or something of that sort). It was actually sort of good, although I didn't tell him that laugh.gif So, physically I'd say I'm open to trying new things.

Mentally, sometimes it can be hard to wrap my mind around things (cough Crumple Horned Snorkack cough) but I'll usually be willing to believe in most things
uzzzkata
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on the other hand if a certain group of ravenclaws were put together and work was distributed evenly the work produced would be good for a project without a doubt wink.gif

Yeah, I agree with that! biggrin.gif Now that would really be great. Though, maybe we have different methods for doing things, but if we're openminded aswell, then we'd come to consensus tongue.gif

Are you open-minded? That is to say, maybe a little more than Hermione and a little less than Luna?
I think I am. Normally I'm receptive to new or different ideas as long as they don't contradict my moral principles. And reason. Though I'm not like Hermione in this, don't worry. laugh.gif Now, about what Kate said, I'm not much of an adventurer, but if something truly intrigues me, and see a reason for trying it, then yes, I'll try it. Otherwise I just contempate and analyze it.
And I can see things from different, even contradictory points of wiew, so yes, I think I'm open-minded.
lycan41
Wow, the Ravenclaws and Huffelpuffs have been busy, I was just reading past posts. That said, Do you work well in a team or do you work better alone? I suppose both could characterize a Ravenclaw for different reasons, but I don't know which is the predominant...

Me personally, it depends on the situation. If it's a really large project then I prefer to work with a team. I don't have to be in charge, or, I can be in charge that part doesn't matter to me. If I work by myself on a large project, I tend to get tunnel vision...not a good thing for me. But if it's a small to medium project, I prefer to work alone; I can control the events prior and up to the finish of the project.

Procrastination is one trait of mine, and as a Ravenclaw, sometimes I get distracted by a shiny object or somethin' that pulls me off topic/track. wink.gif

Are you open-minded? That is to say, maybe a little more than Hermoine and a little less than Luna?

Very open minded, like Luna, a person could be snobby,or goal oriented, or any combination of things, I'm just an easy going kind of guy. On the other hand, I do question some things and everything. The truth is out there.
Eisa
If you could bring one person from any house over to Ravenclaw, who would it be and why?

I'm sorry, but I'd just have to bring Hermione! Maybe she could bring a bit of that Gryffindor bravery over? wink.gif LOL I don't know, I just always really admired her and how she mellowed out from being quite such a show-offy know-it-all. Although I always empathized with her in the books because I was a know-it-all, too. blush.gif And, like, I thought that I would probably be Sorted into Ravenclaw, but the other House I kind of wanted to be in was Gryffindor, and it was mainly because of Hermione. I think she shows that "smart girls" can be heroines, too! I don't know if that made any sense. unsure.gif

Oh, and I think I've just got more the brainy type of smarts because there is no way I could ever solve some of the problems she does. tongue.gif Or some of the other people...I'm not good at logic.

Do you work well in a team or do you work better alone? I suppose both could characterize a Ravenclaw for different reasons, but I don't know which is the predominant...
I work better alone. It seems that I can get stuff done better alone, although I do have the problem of procrastinating too much. Also, whenever I end up working in teams, I always seem to be the one who gets stuck with doing all the work! And it's not that I mind, because then I know it's done right, but it kind of makes me angry when other people get credited for the work I do, when they themselves did nothing, you know? If you're trying, I don't mind, it's when people don't try. So yeah, I work better alone.

Are you open-minded? That is to say, maybe a little more than Hermione and a little less than Luna?
Hmm, I think I might be a lot closer to Luna, actually. I'm not quite as open-minded as she is, but I'm pretty open-minded, even to things that *should* go against my moral principles! I guess I just think that anything and everything should be given a chance. I especially like evidence. wink.gif But even without proof, there can be lots of logical arguments made for things, and I like trying to figure them all out.
bookworm_1918
If you could bring one person from any house over to Ravenclaw, who would it be and why?
OH, I wouldn't bring ANYONE over. Hermone wouldn't do her best in Ravenclaw, without Harry and Ron she still would've been really really bossy, wouldn't she? SO I think that she did her best in Gryffindor, and no one would be worth moving to Ravenclaw, in the end.

Looks like Ravenclaws are in the leadfor the House Cup! Go Ravenclaw! biggrin.gif
padfootx3
wooot woooott!! Go ravenclaw, in the lead!! Nice! Speaking of earning points and such, do you think that the Ravenclaws were good at sports (quidditch, mostly). In a sense intelligence can be good or bad when it comes to sports. You can use your smarts to come up with a killer strategy, but when your out there playing intelligence might not be such a good thing. For example someone might overanalyze a situation and could mess up even though it would have been an easy save or something. What do you guys think? Is intelligence good or bad when it comes to sports?

~Kate
Insomnia
Is intelligence good or bad when it comes to sports?

Well, I think it would have both its advantages and disadvantages. Just like in chess, you would be able to think several steps ahead into the future trying to figure out your opponents move and your counter-move. Intelligence is very useful when trying to read the other players to stay one or more steps ahead of them. A lot of times, this is a great advantage to have over the other team. If the other team isn't very intelligent themselves or not very instinctive, they could be easily overcome.

However, sometimes intelligence just isn't enough. There are times when you just don't have time to think through and analyze the situation in order to come up with the next move. You just have to use your instinct and react without much thought. If your intelligence side gets in the way, you'll end up losing because of your lack of instinct and reaction time. The other team will manage to stay ahead of you.
Eisa
Hmm, I think it depends on the sport. You need some innate athletic ability, too, or all the clever strategies in the world won't help. tongue.gif I do think intelligence in general helps, though, because you can think up strategies and ways to win a bit easier. Sometimes you could predict what your opponents are going to do, and plan accordingly.

I think that would work especially well in Quidditch, too, as long as you had some basic skills with your broom and all. You could probably figure out how to keep the Quaffle on your side and how to trick the other team...*muses*
gissgon
Is intelligence good or bad when it comes to sports?

Um it can sometimes be bad because yes you need to be smart enough to know how the game works but its also about strategy and...strenght etc. But for the most part intelligence is pretty good because you can think of good plays and strategies and things like that tongue.gif
Its not ever great to be unintelligent and play a sport
bookworm_1918
Is intelligence good or bad when it comes to sports?
It's good, as long as it's not entirely intellignece. You do need some physical ability too, like someone said. It's not quite like chess, where it's all brains (HAha...I LOVE CHESS!!) But being intelligent could give you some good strategies, as long as you cando them.
Witherwings
Is intelligence good or bad when it comes to sports?

I think it could be good and bad. Good because you make better moves and you're able to think strategy pretty well. I suppose smart people are also generally capable of following instructions, so that would be good. Intelligence you permit them to think things through and make sure you're doing everything right, acting on your mind rather than your instincts.

But that brings me to the fact that it could also be a bad thing. In sports, you don't want to get completely immersed in thought. Firstly, because you could get distracted. Second, I think instincts are a big part of sports. You can't rely only on your brain! I think sports are more of a physical concept than mental. Technically you're supposed to concentrate on your strength, but you have to think it through at the same time.

I suppose it could help, though. As long as you don't get completely obsessed with what your head tells you to do, than I guess it's better to be smart than... not smart.
Eisa
That's true, Witherwings! Getting immersed in your thoughts while you're playing a sport would definitely not be a good thing. *wince* Not only would you probably lose, you could end up (if you were playing Quidditch, that is) with a Bludger to the head! tongue.gif
Ginny.Weasley
Well Wings just took my words right out of my mouth there!

Is intelligence good or bad when it comes to sports?

Sure intelligence is important when you're considering strategy, or if you're playing a purely brain game (such as chess), but as Wings said-you can get too wrapped up in the strategic elements and not really perform your best physically. In some cases (and Quidditch does seem like a good example) you just need to play with your instinct and not think about what you're doing. If a Seeker considers the advantages of trying to get the Snitch and wastes time thinking about why or why not it would be good thing, then the other team could have already won.


And I haven't been here in a while so I just want to answer a couple old ones. tongue.gif

Do you work well in a team or do you work better alone? I suppose both could characterize a Ravenclaw for different reasons, but I don't know which is the predominant...
Most of the time I work better alone. I tend to not to trust other people with my work in their hands and so when I do work in a group I always take the lead. I like to get things done, wheras it seems like everyone I've worked with aren't really concerned about finishing. A lot of times I've been the only one to work on a group project. I like groups but for things done efficiently, I prefer alone.

If you could bring one person from any house over to Ravenclaw, who would it be and why?
I agree with Kate, I don't think I'd bring anyone over. We were all placed in our houses for a reason so I don't think if we were placed in another we'd work out so well. Just like if say, I had been placed in Slytherin instead- I just don't think that would've worked out so well.

Congrats on the lead in the House Cup Points! Let's go Ravenclaws. smile.gif

--x Lauren
harrypotterlover1024
Is intelligence good or bad when it comes to sports?
Well I think intelligence is always a good thing to have. In sports you can use your intelligence to work out strategies to help you win. But in sports althletic ability is much more important than intelligence. Intelligence is probably good when it comes to sports, but I don't think it would make that much of a difference.
Insomnia
Well, this latest question gave me an idea for another question. We all know, or have theorized, what things Ravenclaw's would be good at because of their wit and intelligence.

But, is there something that you think a Ravenclaw would not be good at because of their particular strengths? Something that their intelligence might stand in their way?
Eisa
But, is there something that you think a Ravenclaw would not be good at because of their particular strengths? Something that their intelligence might stand in their way?

I might have to edit this when I'm more awake and can think up a better answer. tongue.gif But there are always things with which your strengths actually become a weakness. And intelligence is no different. I can actually think of it just with sports, even though most people were in general saying it's a good thing (including me lol). But depending on the sport, you can over-analyze what strategies you want to use and end up paralyzed by indecision. That doesn't just apply to sports, either, it can apply to most anything. If your intelligence becomes a weakness, then it could be that you're over-thinking everything. You end up besieged by "what if's" and then you end up failing at a task or whatever because of it.

Or I remember this book where this guy had to come up with a certain amount of counterfeit money to repay this gangster guy...who was really stupid but really dangerous. And the protagonist (whose name was like the Professor or something) had to come up with a foolproof plan because the bad guy wanted the original counterfeit money back and, of course, he didn't have it. So he had to, as it were, fake it...so he somehow manages to get the money by staging a bank robbery but he didn't make the plan COMPLETELY foolproof...because the bad guy had actually made all the counterfeit bank notes with the same serial number. blink.gif He didn't think of that. So more bad things happened...

But anyway, that's an example of how sometimes intelligence can work against you because you don't think of how other people can perceive what you're doing or you don't think of how people who aren't using so much brainpower are going to see the decision, etc.
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