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etphonehome
The Sorting Hats description of a Ravenclaw...

Or yet in wise old Ravenclaw,
if you've a ready mind,
where those of wit and learning,
will always find their kind



Ravenclaw is the house associated the the 'smart' kids in Hogwarts. The founder of the house was Rowena Ravenclaw who it was alleged was born in a Glen, so this could make her Scottish. She was great friends of Helga Hufflepuff. It is Rowena Ravenclaw who is credited with the design of the moving staircases in Hogwarts.

The Grey Lady is the Ravenclaw ghost and it is revealed in The Deathly Hallows that her name is Helena Ravenclaw, daughter of Rowena. She was killed by the Bloody Baron who then killed him self in remorse.

The head of Ravenclaw house is Professor Flitwick.

Students known to have been in Ravenclaw are/were:
Same year as Harry
Terry Boot
Mandy Brocklehurst
Anthony Goldstein
Morag McDougal
Padma Patil
Lisa Turpin
Michael Corner
Suli
Isabel McDougal
Stephen Cornfoot
Kevin Entwhistle
Ravenclaws Older than Harry
Eddie Carmichael
Cho Chang
Penelope Clearwater
Roger Davies
Marietta Edgecombe
Marcus Belby
Ravenclaws Younger than Harry
Luna Lovegood
Stewart Ackerley
Orla Quirke

The last question asked in the previous thread was...

Myrtle always seemed so desolate and miserable. What qualities does she have that make her a Ravenclaw?

Have fun!



Witherwings
Yay, a new thread! Took me a while to find it... hehe. Well, anyway, thanks etphonehome! smile.gif

I'll take it from there.

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Ravenclaw is the house associated the the 'smart' kids in Hogwarts.


Hmmm... But I'm sure there's more to this! I don't think personnally they would take them only for their brains.

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Or yet in wise old Ravenclaw,
if you've a ready mind,
where those of wit and learning,
will always find their kind


The message I get from this, reading it over and over again, isn't necessarily only 'Ravenclaw is for smarties'. I also get the vibe of a message saying that Ravenclaw is for people who want to learn and are bright, willing to learn, kind and responsible, always making sure things are well done. Haha, saying things well done reminds me of Myrtle wanting to haunt that Olive girl forever. smile.gif
fred_weasley_rules
Hello all, sorry i haven't been on in awhile

I think maybe ravenclaw house may be for the kids who are ready to use what brains they've got, even though that may not be as much as some people. i imagine there are lots of smart kids who dont use their brains and don't belong in ravenclaw. that's just my thoughts though...
padfootx3
biggrin.gif hello sorry i havent been here since summer, i got too caught up in life. Anyway i have a feeling that a true ravenclaw is somebody that is a true ravenclaw is willing to learn and wants to learn. not everybody is gifted enough to be smart and im sure our sorting hat didnt sort only the smartest, but also the people who liked and wanted to learn. And vise versa noboy in our house doesnt like to learn most likely, but that is just my opinion... i'm interested in hearing others so post post post!! biggrin.gif
workaholic_1231
Well lookie here! A new thread!


I believe that, to be a true Ravenclaw, it's not solely based on just intelligence. Of course you have to have a certain amount of intelligence, to a certain extent. However, I believe that there are many many personality charcteristics which can apply to other houses as well.

Wit and cunning, which are usually associated with Slytherin, courageous like the Gryffindors, and loyal like the Hufflepuffs. Then again, this attribute could really apply to every house. Of course the founders wouldn't want to just have kids who have one certain quality (well, there may have been an exception wink.gif ) but have children who are very well-rounded.
clara morgue
New thread!!

So I think we all agree that it isn't based solely on brains.. I do think that the need, and the want, to use those brains is also a key factor. As Ashley said, there so many different characteristics that are found in all of the houses. I think ambition is the one which is split between Slytherin and Ravenclaw. I know that is Slytherin's 'defining characteristic'.. But of any two houses, I think Slytherin and Ravenclaw have the most in common.
Anyway.. as I was saying- this ambition.. this drive to use the brains and the intelligence that they have, is what separates a Ravenclaw from and intelligent Gryffindor or Hufflepuff. I think in some ways, Slytherins ambition is present even when they have nothing- they will try to succeed even if they have no means.. whereas a Ravenclaw will strive to succeed, and they tend to have the brains to do it.

Of course, there is no single rule.. nothing to completely segregate houses... and that's good.. because it is very rare that somebody is all of something.. and nothing of anything else..

..does that make sense blink.gif

Clara}~
Ginny.Weasley
Yay a new thread! smile.gif

I really like your thoughts on Ravenclaw Clara, and yes it does make sense. laugh.gif I agree that Ravenclaw isn't based solely on brains, if it were so, then maybe Luna would've been better off in Hufflepuff? Now before you get in a tizzy, the reason I say this is because Luna sees things outside the box, even things that science and "brains" have already proven to be false. Now if the Hat sorted students based only on 1 defining characteristic then Luna really wouldn't have fit in Ravenclaw because she sees things beyond brains. If that makes sense, I rambled a bit there. wink.gif

I agree with Clara that Slytherin and Ravenclaw are definitely the most similar of all the houses. They both have that drive that Clara mentioned, and in the books I often found that Ravenclaw was portrayed somewhat similarly to Slytherin. All houses have their characteristics that define them, but they all have some in common, because as the Sorting Hat once said, houses should be friendly with one another, not against each other. And some students could be in more than one house. Luna could've fit in Hufflepuff, Zacharias Smith (the hufflepuff) could've fit in Slytherin or his personality, not all Slytherins were pure evil probably, they just thought that they were better than everyone else. Hermione could've fit in Ravenclaw, Colin Creevey in Huflepuff, and any of the other students could've fit in other houses. It's all about where they wanted to go and which characteristic overpowered the others.

I think that's all I wanted to say about that. I had an idea...we should come up with a motto for Ravenclaw, wouldn't that be sweet? Hogwarts has one, so the individual houses should have one as well. smile.gif

~Lauren
gissgon
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Now if the Hat sorted students based only on 1 defining characteristic then Luna really wouldn't have fit in Ravenclaw because she sees things beyond brains. If that makes sense, I rambled a bit there


I agree with that and yeah it does make sense.Luna was not only kind of smart but she was so smart she would go beyond science or "outside of the box". It's true that the sorting hat placed people in where they wanted to be because look at harry he could've been in slytherin but he asked the hat to be in gryffindor.In my opinion Ravenclaws have some of every house in them.i mean look at Luna and Professor Flitwick,they were both brave enough to fight in the battles and the war.Flitwick,although small,gave everything he had and made it.Same goes for Luna.Ravenclaws are brave,smart,cunning,pretty much everything.They are just put there because they want to learn and have the brains for it, and they don't slack off.




Okay well that's all i have to say.

*+$GISSEL$+*
Insomnia
Wow. Looks like this thread has been quiet for a while. Guess we need to rectify that.

QUOTE(Lauren)
It's all about where they wanted to go and which characteristic overpowered the others.

I have to disagree with the first part of this statement, but I completely agree with the second part.

If it was all about "where they wanted to go", there really wouldn't be a point in the Sorting Hat. Although I think Harry was a unique situation (because he had a piece of Slytherin soul in him but the heart of Gryffindor), I don't see other students really being given that opportunity.

For example, someone is best suited for Hufflepuff, but they want to be in Ravenclaw. That just doesn't seem like a perfect fit to me. Although each student has certain qualities from each of the houses, it's the characteristics that are the strongest that get them placed.

Yes, Hermione could have been in Ravenclaw because of her brain power, but apparently, that wasn't her main identity. The Hat must have seen the Gryffindor in her as stronger.

As for Luna, it's the "thinking outside the box" that makes her so...wise. Being wise, or wisdom, is one of the characteristics of Ravenclaw. It takes a wise person to think outside the box and see things through different eyes and different possibilities. Even though she didn't have proof from her father (real physical proof), she was able to expand her mind to believe in the possibility of other things, no matter how far-fetched they were. And she was able to see beyond the obvious to the hidden truths or meanings. Not everyone is able to do that. Really, I couldn't see her fitting in anywhere else. Her Ravenclaw qualities are way too overpowering, just like Draco's Slytherin qualities are way to overpowering (he couldn't fit in anywhere else, either).

Anyway, maybe it's time for a new question. I don't think anyone had the chance to answer this before the new thread was opened.

What makes you a Ravenclaw? What have you done that would have made Ravenclaw House proud?
Ginny.Weasley
Wow it has been quite a while. Have you all gone up to bed? laugh.gif

QUOTE(Insomnia)
If it was all about "where they wanted to go", there really wouldn't be a point in the Sorting Hat. Although I think Harry was a unique situation (because he had a piece of Slytherin soul in him but the heart of Gryffindor), I don't see other students really being given that opportunity.


After reading your comments about this, I realized what a silly thing I said. Of course it's not "all about where you wanted to go," and I agree with your reasons. I still agree that there had to be one quality that overpowers the others.

It's been so quiet, I don't have much to add. So I'll just answer the question and hope for more answers. happy.gif

What makes you a Ravenclaw? What have you done that would have made Ravenclaw House proud?

I really hate talking about myself, I'll just let you know that now. What makes me a Ravenclaw... I have to say that my braininess? Smartness, the ability to see the big picture, wit. It sounds so conceited but I really don't know what else to say.

Speaking about the Sorting actually and how one quality overpowers another, this seems to be the case. I personally have always thought of myself as a Ravenclaw, but I have many qualities of Hufflepuff house. Meaning that my Ravenclaw qualities overpower the others. Anybody else?

Lauren
uzzzkata
Here I am! biggrin.gif I've just finished the exams, so... I'm awake now tongue.gif ... 13 o'clock early in the morning laugh.gif
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As for Luna, it's the "thinking outside the box" that makes her so...wise. Being wise, or wisdom, is one of the characteristics of Ravenclaw. It takes a wise person to think outside the box and see things through different eyes and different possibilities. Even though she didn't have proof from her father (real physical proof), she was able to expand her mind to believe in the possibility of other things, no matter how far-fetched they were. And she was able to see beyond the obvious to the hidden truths or meanings. Not everyone is able to do that.

I absolutely agree with that, but I see a reason in both truths, I think this is the treat that makes Luna a Ravenclaw but in the same time it's what distinguishes her from the ravenclawish stereotype people see.

I hate talking about myself this way too, it sounds like I want to demonstrate what I am... ermm.gif As if I was a perfect example for something... wacko.gif Well I'm very Hufflepuff-ish too and I've got much of the other houses' traits as well, but mmm... I guess what makes me a Ravenclaw is that I have a very flexible mind and I see many sides of the things, different points of wiew in the same time. I somehow associate calmness, too with Ravenclaw, why is that? blink.gif
Anyway, I try my best in everything, I am a perfectionist so I can't neglect things. So I tend to run out of time all the time biggrin.gif

Is everybody else quiet because of exams? Now that would be very Ravenclawish, hehe... happy.gif
Anyway, it's good to be back. *waving* smile.gif
Hello again Ravenclaws...!
Insomnia
Well, doesn't look as if that last question was very popular. Can't say that I blame you. I'm not one to talk about myself, either. At least not in that way. tongue.gif

So, let's try another one or two.

What do you think was the root cause for the falling out between Rowena Ravenclaw and her daughter?

Why do you think RR's daughter became a ghost? If you think regret or guilt is a reason, then why do you think RR herself didn't become one?

Hopefully, these two questions will stir up a little more action.
clara morgue
What makes you a Ravenclaw? What have you done that would have made Ravenclaw House proud?
Hehe how ironic.. It seems that the traits that put me in slytherin allow me to talk about the ways I am a Ravenclaw without feeling conceited.. rolleyes.gif
I think versatility is a main Ravenclaw trait and I would say Im pretty versatile, Ravenclaws (and indeed Slytherins) enjoy a good challenge and being versatile really does help success.
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I see many sides of the things, different points of wiew in the same time. I somehow associate calmness

I think this also relates to versatility of the mind, and open mindness. Ravenclaws are most well known for knowledge and intelligence, and being open to different things is essential for this. I'd say the calmness comes from being able to put things into perspective (which also comes with experience, which is why most Ravenclaws seem to be pretty mature) and seeing the good side as well as the bad side.. and not getting completely wrapped up in the negatives. I think this is where my Slytherin-ish-ness comes in and sometimes I get blinded by a certain side of a situation for some time.
I guess my other 'Ravenclaw' trait would be my thirst for knowledge, and how I love to learn. Something that most of us share in here, which is one of the reasons I love this thread so much.

What do you think was the root cause for the falling out between Rowena Ravenclaw and her daughter?
hm.. well that is a difficult one becuase we know so little about them.. I'll have to refresh my memory on these two, but from what I can remember- The fact that Helena stole the diadem from her mother to become more intelligent, suggests that helena wanted intelligence and knowledge that Rowena either wouldnt or couldnt give. Perhaps the use of the diadem was the cause of the falling out.. the fact that Helena wanted to use the diadem to become more intelligent but Rowena didn't think it wise. The quest for knowledge drives people to do very extreme things, and they could easily fall out over it.
I really would have liked to learn more about the founders and the time that they were alive, as well as the people around them and the reasons that they did come of the things they did...

Why do you think RR's daughter became a ghost? If you think regret or guilt is a reason, then why do you think RR herself didn't become one?
It seems that most people that become ghosts have quite a bit of regret in their lives.. Helena was very intelligent, but obviously felt as though she wasn't intelligent enough, as she stole the diadem to become more intelligent than Rowena.. that was one regret. Another may have been the fact that she never found true love (in a letter from Jk to the actress that played Helena-" as she never found a man up to her standards "
We also know that the Bloody Baron killed Helena.. in a fit of rage, and was in fact, in love with her. Perhaps the fact that she was killed and had so many unresolved issues led to her becoming a ghosts.
I think it just seems that every ghost has something important to them that was unfinished. Binns had to finish teaching, Nick's beheading was not quite finished, the Baron never managed to finish bringing Helena back to her mother, or indeed never got her to love him. It just seems that Helena Ravenclaw is a very.. unfinished.. person.
Which leads me to question whether ghosts can 'move on' when they have finished whatever it is they left unfinished.. if possible??

Clara}~

uzzzkata
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What do you think was the root cause for the falling out between Rowena Ravenclaw and her daughter?

Why do you think RR's daughter became a ghost? If you think regret or guilt is a reason, then why do you think RR herself didn't become one?

Unfortunately I can't reply to any of these questions, (though I'd really like to help revive this thread somehow!) because I've only just finished The Half-Blood Prince and I'm not planning to read Deathly Hallows until my Easter holiday, or after the exams, in the summer... sad.gif .

Has this thread emptied maybe because we just got a new one and people haven't found it yet(??!) Could that be possible?
excl.gif I think it would help the popularity of these house threads though if they were mentioned somewhere around the Sorting Hat maybe, just as an alternative to continue after people are sorted...

However, all of you people could just write why you can't write just now biggrin.gif , that would be a discussion too tongue.gif
Witherwings
And whatever happened to my resolution of posting here more often! tongue.gif Anyway, I had no idea there was a new thread! But I'll answer the question now:

What do you think was the root cause for the falling out between Rowena Ravenclaw and her daughter?

I think them being both very intelligent played a very big role in the relationship. Maybe there was a little game going on- a game meaning like... if they were both trying to overpower eachother or something, and they didn't mention it but both continued to play the game...? Just because they're Ravenclaws, it doesn't necessarily mean that they didn't have other bad or good qualities! I think the problem is that people would think- they can't of had a craving for power, that would put them in Slytherin! I don't believe that's how the sorting works. Everyone has different qualities! It's not like every witch or wizard is sorted because of the one and only quality they have in them. Usually there would be an overpowering quality, right? So, after all this nonsense blabla, I think I should give my clear and simple conclusion. biggrin.gif Basically I think they might have had some fight about power, or simply who was cleverer or some other fancy catfight like that. smile.gif

Why do you think RR's daughter became a ghost? If you think regret or guilt is a reason, then why do you think RR herself didn't become one?

Starting with her daughter, I think Helena became a ghost because maybe she felt ashamed of herself and she felt like it would be a punishement to be visible to the world for the rest of her life (that sounds very childish, haha laugh.gif). Maybe she somehow knew the BB had become a ghost and she wanted to haunt him or something...? I think it's another of those things that the only way we'll get close to knowing the answer is by asking JKR or by looking for hints in the book, when it mentions the Grey Lady.

I must flee now, but I shall be back! happy.gif
forsaken_wolfess
What do you think was the root cause for the falling out between Rowena Ravenclaw and her daughter?
Easy. I think her daughter was jealous. It's just like having the perfect older sibling. In school, all of your teachers have already had your sibling, so there's no way to compete. Everyone knows they're awesome at sports, so they expect you to be too. And when you screw up, you get the 'Why can't you be more like so-and-so?' That kind of reputation hanging over you all the time would get daunting, especially if you were a thuroughly average person.

Why do you think RR's daughter became a ghost? If you think regret or guilt is a reason, then why do you think RR herself didn't become one?
This is hard. She might have feared dealth like Nick. You don't really get the impression that the grey lady is all that couragous. Or maybe she wanted revenge on the bloody baron or her mom. Maybe she, like Moaning Myrtle, wanted to haunt someone. My guess is that, whatever the reason was, it wasn't particularly heroic.
Witherwings
forsaken_wolfess, I love your answers. As soon as I read them I thought- why didn't I think of that before? Seriously, I feel dumb for not thinking of such a simple answer. sleep.gif For the first question, I agree that she could very well have been jealous. When someone you know, even someone you don't know personnaly, it's very easy to get jealous, and judging by the bit of her personnality we saw it would have been very easy for her to fall jealous of her mother. As for the second question, fear of death is very clever too! My, no question about why you were sorted in Ravenclaw! tongue.gif
forsaken_wolfess
Thanks, Witherwings. I like to solve mysteries (in books, not in real life) and stuff like that. biggrin.gif But don't forget, wit is valued by Ravenclaw too. There are propably several Ravenclaws (possibly Luna; Maybe Padma) who got in because they're more witty then book smart.
The Writing on the Wall
Or Yet in Wise Old Ravenclaw,
If you've a Ready Mind,
Where those of wit and learning,
Will always find their Kind.


The first shows that a Ravenclaw is wise, which people associate with being smart, but can be shown as just being able to use your opinions, thoughts and ideas for your advantage and knowing how to get something done the right way, not neccessarily book smart.
The second line shows, in its shortness, that they work well under pressure, they are quick thinkers and that they are ready for any situation thrown at them. People considered ;brainy' just process things quicker and get through things quicker. I couild say 12 x 12 and say 144 quickly, because my head goes quick. Now anyone could figure that out, but maybe not as fast, or write stuff down. That means they have there own way of figuring it out, but they can figure it out!
The third and fourth line show willing and determination, and that determination in a group is the Ravenclaw common room!
forsaken_wolfess
QUOTE(The Writing on the Wall @ Feb 21 2008, 02:21 PM) [snapback]487622[/snapback]

Or Yet in Wise Old Ravenclaw,
If you've a Ready Mind,
Where those of wit and learning,
Will always find their Kind.


The first shows that a Ravenclaw is wise, which people associate with being smart, but can be shown as just being able to use your opinions, thoughts and ideas for your advantage and knowing how to get something done the right way, not neccessarily book smart.
The second line shows, in its shortness, that they work well under pressure, they are quick thinkers and that they are ready for any situation thrown at them. People considered ;brainy' just process things quicker and get through things quicker. I couild say 12 x 12 and say 144 quickly, because my head goes quick. Now anyone could figure that out, but maybe not as fast, or write stuff down. That means they have there own way of figuring it out, but they can figure it out!
The third and fourth line show willing and determination, and that determination in a group is the Ravenclaw common room!


Exactly what I think! You might be sorted into Ravenclaw because you think on your feet, and you've got a cool head in dangerous situations. Maybe because you can think your way out of various situations too! Ravenclaw is a house forthe intellectuals in general, not just the brilliant students or scholars.
Hermione_twin13
Yeah. There's a couple characters that are in Ravenclaw that I don't really think are all that brilliant. Padma Patil, for instance. She was probably a problem solver or logical thinker, not a book person.

Me and this one guy I know have this running joke. I'm the smart one, he's the logical one. By the qualifications set in the sorting hat's song, we would both fall into Ravenclaw. It's like that.
Insomnia
Okay, this thread still isn't showing a lot of traffic. How about a new direction...

I know that the HBP movie is still in the works and DH is a few years off, but it couldn't hurt to discuss our hopes and ideas for the Ravenclaw parts of the DH movie. In DH, the Grey Lady finally plays a role and we get to see the Ravenclaw common room, not to mention the riddle knocker to gain entrance. So, what are your thoughts? Do you think they will keep the Grey Lady and Ravenclaw common room scenes in the movie or cut them out? If they keep them in, how true do you think they will be to the books? What are you most looking forward to?
forsaken_wolfess
Well, I think they virtually need to have at least a smaller version of the Ravenclaw and Grey Lady scene in the movie. I mean, the Grey Lady kind of leads them to the diadem (is that spelled right? I'm horrible at spelling.), so they sort of need it. Plus it's a really interesting and informative part of the story.

That being said, they're probably going to cut it down to size a bit. I mean, They need to condense 759 pages into a two hour movie, so some things are going to get cut. And whatever gets in the movie is almost for sure going to be shrunk.

I'm still looking forward to it, though. Even though we got to see Luna have some action, this is a really important moment for Ravenclaw!
lycan41
Excellent question. I believe they will show the Ravenclaw common room, beautiful Midnite Blue with Bronze Stars or Starbursts. Up to this point we haven't seen the Grey Lady; she plays a major role in DH. I know they've cut major parts from books before, but she's the one who tells Harry about the lost diadem. A duel also takes place in the Ravenclaw common room, unless they move it for cinematic reasons.




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Witherwings
Oh, I sure hope we see the Ravenclaw common room! That would be quite sweet, it sounds so amazingly special. happy.gif I hope they don't cut Helena [Grey Lady] though. I wouldn't be happy about that, and I know that they're always finding smart ways to cut around important bits, so I'm sort of worried about that. She's very imporant and I really want them to include her! lac.gif

I think it'll also be pretty cool to see Luna up there, for some reason. happy.gif They cast one of the Carrows for HBP though, so I hope they put em in DH for that bit!
forsaken_wolfess
I hope so too! I know this is kind of offtopic.gif but I thought you all should know... I JINXED THE FIFTH HARRY POTTER MOVIE!

You know how Neville gives Harry the Gillyweed in GoF? Well, I'm a big Dobby fan. After the movie, I complained to my mate "I can't believe they cut dobby! Who's gonna find the Room of Requirement(sp??)? Neville?" And I'm sure you all know, having seen the OotP movie, that Neville does! I'm really sorry, everyone!
Insomnia
Something else I was thinking about while rereading DH. I can't ever remember the first 6 HP books mentioning the Ravenclaw house ghost. However, in the HP movies, there was the "Grey Lady" that was never given the title of the Ravenclaw house ghost, but people began to speculate on their own that she was associated with Ravenclaw. Do you think JKR was moved by the movies to make the Grey Lady the Ravenclaw house ghost, or do you think that was her intentions all along and she had shared it with the movie producers?

However, if you have a link to an interview where JKR states clearly how the Grey Lady came about, please insert it here. I, personally, don't remember running across an interview where she talks about it, but I'm sure I haven't read every interview she has ever made. smile.gif If not, speculate away!
Witherwings
Didn't they mention the Grey Lady in the first book or something? Or named all of the ghosts? huh.gif I thought... I don't think she would of gotten the idea of the ghost from the movies though, because from the earlier books and on we saw Nearly Headless Nick and the Bloody Baron (and the Fat Friar I think... if not who knows why we know his name biggrin.gif), and we knew that they were the house ghosts, so I suspect she had planned it all out from the beginning. Didn't she have the whole plot written before PS was publish? Because then it just makes sense that she would of had the Grey Lady from the beginning but risen suspense by suddenly making her important in DH. Though I think we already had an idea that there would be a Ravenclaw horcrux- but I wasn't sorted or familiar with the site back then so I wouldn't have participated in those discussions. smile.gif
Insomnia
QUOTE(Witherwings)
Didn't they mention the Grey Lady in the first book or something?

Did they? I don't remember that. Guess it's time for a reread! biggrin.gif

Okay, how about another question. This might be a little on the fun side.

If you could bring one person from any house over to Ravenclaw, who would it be and why?
Beater
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If you could bring one person from any house over to Ravenclaw, who would it be and why?


it's not one person but they are inseparable
I'll bring Fred and George
they are brilliant and funny and they would do great in Ravenclaw. Don't you think so?
WEASLETTE...GINNY POTTER
Hi all,

QUOTE(Insomnia @ Feb 29 2008, 10:35 AM) [snapback]490143[/snapback]

Something else I was thinking about while rereading DH. I can't ever remember the first 6 HP books mentioning the Ravenclaw house ghost. However, in the HP movies, there was the "Grey Lady" that was never given the title of the Ravenclaw house ghost, but people began to speculate on their own that she was associated with Ravenclaw. Do you think JKR was moved by the movies to make the Grey Lady the Ravenclaw house ghost, or do you think that was her intentions all along and she had shared it with the movie producers?


I don't think JKR was moved by the movies to make the Grey Lady. The whole story along with its characters were already created (in her mind) on that train journey. In my opinion, she might have told the producers about the ghost being a lady and all. I read it on her site that she told them about Dean being a black Londener, although it was never mentioned anywhere in the books. She actually wanted to include a chapter on Dean in the Chamber of Secrets, but her editors thought it'd be better without that. Hence, she had to tell the producers herself about that.
In the same way she must've told them about the Grey Lady. I found this on wikipedia though.
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Helena Ravenclaw, more widely known by her nickname The Grey Lady, is the Ravenclaw House ghost.

J. K. Rowling, author of the Harry Potter series, has stated that The Grey Lady appeared very briefly in Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. It is of common agreement that the Grey Lady is the ghost that Harry and Ron encounter on their way to visit the Mirror of Erised, as referenced in this passage: "[Harry and Ron] passed the ghost of a tall witch gliding in the opposite direction, but saw no one else". Fans have found no other unexplained mention of a ghost in the book, so it is assumed this is The Grey Lady. She may also be "the ghost of a long haired woman" that floats past Harry and Hagrid when they are talking about a conversation between Dumbledore and Snape in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince.

According to a letter written by J. K. Rowling to Nina Young, the actress who played the Grey Lady in the first film, she is "a highly intellectual young lady …. She never found true love as she never found a man up to her standards".

The Grey Lady makes a more notable appearance in the deleted scenes portion of the Chamber of Secrets DVD. When Harry is finding the secret of Tom Riddle's diary, he asks her for privacy.


I believe that might be helpful smile.gif
forsaken_wolfess
If you could bring one person from any house over to Ravenclaw, who would it be and why?

I don't really think I'd bring anyone. The sorting hat is usually right about where someone will go.

I mean, look at Hermione. She's smart and logical and everything, but she is very brave as well. She also values bravery over knowledge ("Me? Books and cleverness. There are more important things. Friendship and bravery." -Hermione, Sorcerer's Stone Movie) so she really belongs in Gryffindor more than Ravenclaw.

And, if you brought them over after their sorting, you'd be bringing them away from all their mates who they care about. And if you go back in time and change it, something important might not happen. In short, it'd be one big mess.
Witherwings
[b]If you could bring one person from any house over to Ravenclaw, who would it be and why?[/quote]

Well, like you said (forsaken_wolfess) I think the Sorting Hat does well it's job and we shouldn't really have anyone to move around, except those ones that it had trouble with, a bit like the Harry Gryffindor/Slytherin situation. Or the Hermione Gryffindor/Ravenclaw. I think personnaly they put them more easily in Gryffindor than they do in other houses, because look at Hermione- genius (sort of), but somewhere in there very brave, yet in Gryffindor. I think the Hat looks really, really deep in the students! But I don't understand that, in a way... if they're sorted that easily they could of put plenty of other people in Gryffindor, or any other house! But anyway- that's just my ramblind. To answer the question, it would either be Hermione, or like Beater said- Fred and George, they are pretty darn smart. tongue.gif

Sorry, but I mean look at Cho- I don't see why exactly she's in Ravenclaw. I see her as more of a Hufflepuff. blink.gif
forsaken_wolfess
[quote name='Witherwings' date='Mar 4 2008, 08:53 PM' post='491277']
[b]If you could bring one person from any house over to Ravenclaw, who would it be and why?[/quote]

Well, like you said (forsaken_wolfess) I think the Sorting Hat does well it's job and we shouldn't really have anyone to move around, except those ones that it had trouble with, a bit like the Harry Gryffindor/Slytherin situation. Or the Hermione Gryffindor/Ravenclaw. I think personnaly they put them more easily in Gryffindor than they do in other houses, because look at Hermione- genius (sort of), but somewhere in there very brave, yet in Gryffindor. I think the Hat looks really, really deep in the students! But I don't understand that, in a way... if they're sorted that easily they could of put plenty of other people in Gryffindor, or any other house! But anyway- that's just my ramblind. To answer the question, it would either be Hermione, or like Beater said- Fred and George, they are pretty darn smart. tongue.gif

Sorry, but I mean look at Cho- I don't see why exactly she's in Ravenclaw. I see her as more of a Hufflepuff. blink.gif
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Wow, I never thought about Fred and George! They are pretty smart, now that I think of it. It took a lot of smarts and all that to invent all the joke stuff. (And they're money smart too; they're making millions!)

Just wondering... Is nerve atributed to Gryffindor? Because Ginny, in describing Fred and George, says 'Anything's possible if you've got enough nerve.'
lycan41
Tough question...hmm, Ginny would be the one I'd bring over to Ravenclaw. She has the same courage that her brothers and her mom have, but she's got a quiet calm like her dad. Mr. Weasley and Ginny are always calmly handling things that get thrown at them. My guess is Mr. Weasley could've been in Ravenclaw as well.
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Insomnia
I really like the idea of bringing Fred and George over to our side, too. They seem like such fun-loving people. smile.gif

Okay, here's another question...

Roger Davies, captain of the Ravenclaw Quidditch team, was Fleur Delacour's escort to the Yule Ball. Of all the guys she could have chosen from, why do you think she picked him? Because of his Ravenclaw qualities, his Quidditch skills/captaincy, or something else?
fred_weasley_rules
hey everybody

I think it was a mixture of the ravenclaw-ness and quidditch captaincy. she mustve thought he was the most popular since he was quidditch captain so she went with him.
Witherwings
Roger Davies, captain of the Ravenclaw Quidditch team, was Fleur Delacour's escort to the Yule Ball. Of all the guys she could have chosen from, why do you think she picked him? Because of his Ravenclaw qualities, his Quidditch skills/captaincy, or something else?

Darn, this one's easy! No offence to all those who like Fleur, but hey- look at her and you know! I say it's cause he was a popular Quidditch Capt'n, and she thought she had to go with someone who was at least a tad important, because I mean- Fleur wasn't anyone, she couldn't be seen with anyone either! dry.gif

Whoa, I sound mean there. No offense to all Fleur lovers. eeek.gif I think it could also possibly be his smartness, or else just something else she liked about him. He never been extremely special though, so compared to Fleur- well, erm... I don't personnally see why. But I hope his brains have something to do with it! rolleyes.gif
lycan41
I think I saw this question in another thread, but it's okay, it's okay. Professor Lupin, very intellegent, he's a professor, smart, quick thinking, and cool intelect. Chivalrous(please help me with the spelleing) and brave as well. But I think his smoothly cool intellect is what does it for me. Bitten by a werewolf as a child, he struggled to fit in. I suppose he could have run away and truly became like the werewolves, living on his own having nothing to do with the human race, except for food, but he didn't. Maybe that's why the Sorting Hat placed him in Gryffendor instead of Ravenclaw. The courage it takes to face what you're delt in life and not run away from it does out weigh the cool intellect, but I still would have loved to see Professor Lupin in Ravenclaw.

Ginny Weasley as well, because she and her dad are very smart and very brave, but if ya'll noticed, she didn't have the firey temper that her mom, Ron, or Percy had.



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uzzzkata
I haven't been here for a while, hi everyone! smile.gif
I absolutely agree with lycan41, Lupin's the man! I always saw him like a typically ravenclawish person though. +he's wonderful too, everyone would be happy to know someone like him happy.gif .
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Roger Davies, captain of the Ravenclaw Quidditch team, was Fleur Delacour's escort to the Yule Ball. Of all the guys she could have chosen from, why do you think she picked him? Because of his Ravenclaw qualities, his Quidditch skills/captaincy, or something else?

As for the Fleur question... I don't remember how Roger Davies was described, but I suppose for someone as shallow as her, a partner would have to be handsome in the first place. And yes, I think the Quidditch captaincy and popularity is the other big reason.
I don't think that smarts really mattered for her, anyway, he doesn't seem to be in the smartest state of mind at dinner looking quite stupid "watching her talk with a very dazed expression on his face" and keep"missing his mouth with his fork". blink.gif

I'm not fond of Fleur either. She's just as superficial as Cho, only Cho's more infantile and maybe a bit more honest(? huh.gif ) and less spoiled. Oh, and more human. But then again, Fleur's not actually mean and she loves Bill, so... should we forgive her? laugh.gif
Good to be here again smile.gif
uzzzkata
Seeing that no one has commented for a while now, I think it's time for another question!
There was the question about who we'd bring to our house. Well, this one's about other houses too.


Which house(s) do you think we ravenclaws are most compatible with and why?
gissgon
Which house(s) do you think we ravenclaws are most compatible with and why?

hmmm?
SLYTHERIN!
[just kidding]
i would have to say Hufflepuff
only because neither ravenclaw or hufflepuff are as competitive as gryffindor and slytherin.Also Hufflepuff students are rather smart and i feel that they are bright people who can think well and differently(in a good way)


(sorry i repeated)

Mod Edit: Please don't use netspeak, such as 'jk' for 'just kidding'. It's against the rules.
lycan41
Very good question, it's difficult as well. Gryffindors' are smart, so are Huffelpuffs', & Slytherins' are just as crafty as we Ravenclaws are. I think Slytherin is out because most Slytherins'; while they all have compassion, don't have as much compassion as Ravenclaws. I know, my wife & daughter would both be Slytherin, 'nuff respect Slythern.

Gryffindor, while they are as smart as we are, & we as brave as they, Ravenclaws just don't wear our emotions on our sleves as most Gryffindors' do. Most Ravenclaws, cool, calm, & collected, really try to work things out with the people we're dealing with before we lose it. I hope the Gryffindors' who read this won't be too upset, most of the people I know (alot in my 41 years), are Gryffindors'. I loves me some Gryffindors'.

That means Huffelpuffs' are most like Ravenclaws in my book. Huffelpuffs have all the same qualities as Ravenclaws, they just seem to be happy...ALL THE TIME, well maybe not, all the time, but that's the way it seems to me. My brother would be sorted into Huffelpuff. As Ravenclaws, Slytherins', & Gryffindors', we spend too much time in our own heads, yall feel me.
fred_weasley_rules
I agree, I feel that Hufflepuffs are the most like Ravenclaws. Slytherins are usually clever but don't care as much about schoolwork, and Gryffindors are more competitive.
harrypotterlover1024
i think Ravenclaws are not the people who neccesarily smart, but the people who want to learn...b/c Hermione is brilliant and shes in Gryffindor. yess i think ravenclaws are with the hufflepuffs...its not so much we are enemies with eachother like gryffindor or slytherin, but we are alike. Gryffindor and Slytherin are alike but are enemies..We are like the Hufflepuffs but not enemies.
Insomnia
Hello, Everyone! Sorry for my absence. Just been busy, busy, busy. wacko.gif You are doing a great job with your answers and recent question. I agree. I think Ravenclaw's are probably most like Hufflepuff House.

Okay, how about a new question. Maybe this will be a little fun? Something you can put your own personality in to it and your visions.

You have been given the letter to Hogwarts and were just sorted into Ravenclaw House. In the short term, what do you want to do/accomplish (education, fun, mischief)? In the long run, what do you want to accomplish/be (career, NEWT's and their subjects, mischief)? You can just speak your mind or try to come up with answers worthy of a Ravenclaw.
emma_weasley
Hey guys! I'm Emma and I was sorted into Ravenclaw, although I'm not really sure why. I guess its because I'm smart and everything, but I like to play pratical jokes on people and just have fun (kind of like Fred and George). Anyways, since I'm in this house, I guess I'll be posting here. *shrugs* If you guys want me here that is...

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You have been given the letter to Hogwarts and were just sorted into Ravenclaw House. In the short term, what do you want to do/accomplish (education, fun, mischief)? In the long run, what do you want to accomplish/be (career, NEWT's and their subjects, mischief)? You can just speak your mind or try to come up with answers worthy of a Ravenclaw.


Well, in the short term, I would like to recieve really good grades on my final exams and do ost of my homework (not all of it, though, because I need time for fun tongue.gif) I also would want to be a chaser on the house Quiddtich team and I would like to play pranks/practical jokes on people. I would also want to have many great friends and be fairly popular around the school. And, this isn't a short term goal, but somehow I get the feeling that I would recieve some detentions. ohmy.gif

In the long term, I would like to pass my NEWTs with flying colors. I would like to go on to become an Auror and a famous Quidditch player. After I leave Hogwarts, I would want to be remembered by many generations of students for the fantastic pranks I would have played.

Yep. That's me. wink.gif

Smiles,
Emma
Just the Droobles
Haha, this question sort of sounds like some that I've had to answer for applications or something like that.

I suppose my short term goals, those regarding school at Hogwarts, would have to be simply passing everything. Passing exams, passing OWLs fifth year...passing NEWTs seventh year. Most of that stuff matters in that world, whereas, other than getting easily accepted, those tests in real life really have no point. rolleyes.gif I would probably like to have gotten involved in Quidditch, but it wouldn't have broken my heart to be in the stands. I think my main goals would be just to learn as much as possible. Knowing me, I'd want to be better at swish-and-flicking than everyone else. tongue.gif

Long term goals...after Hogwarts, I don't know which profession I would want. That's kind of like right now. I'm about to leave school, and I have no idea where I'm going. wink.gif
lycan41
Welcome to The House of Ravenclaw emma_weasley, it's so good to have you here. Please add your comments to our common room, that's what it's all about, ok.

Now, to asnwer that question, in the short term, to work and study my rear off. To push myself to be the best in our house as well as the all of Hogwarts in the O.W.L.'s and N.E.W.T.'s. Along the way helping those who may be struggling in any subject, and play Quidditch, beater would by my position.

Long term, I'd like to be an Auror, helping bring down Dark Witches/Wizards, would not only be a challenge and fun, but dangerous. Not to mention, being at the Ministry would allow me to be near the people making the decisions so I'd be able to put my 1.43 cents
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NymphieDora
Hmmm well I would try to pass the exams and so. In the future maybe work as an auror or aybe with magical creatures... or as an application told me, photographer for the 2nd edition of the monster book of monsters laugh.gif That would be awweeesome!
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