As promised here's a shiny new thread for you to post it. I have quoted the most recent posts for you to continue your discussion from.

Or perhaps in Slytherin,
You'll make your real friends,
Those cunning folk use any means to achieve thier own ends; The Sorting Hat

Yeah...I agree. Perhaps he never realised that you could ask the sorting hat to place you in the house you wanted to be in...and Snape was really excited about going into Slytherin. He said to Lily "You'd better be in Slytherin!' not "Gee, I hope we're going to be in the same house' so I can only assume that that was the only house he wanted to be in. There is also the fact that he had hardly any reason to want to be in another house, apart from the obvious exception of Lily.
MoonLight, sorry, I didn't understand who the 'he' is in your last post. Who is it?

lol I imagined me and 'a guy' going to hogwarts, and imagined I went to Slytherin and he to Gryffindor. But that would suck, I never liked Gryffindor. [no offense! not because of the people, but because of the popularity.. I hate almost everything what's popular.]

So.. we've got a bright new thread to post full until we fall dead, anybody subjects?

YAY!!

Shiny New Thread!! Awesome. I Thought The Other One Was getting A Bit Long (Like 70 Pages)

New Subjects, New Subjects.. Hmmm..

Well, Who Are Some Slytherins, mentioned in the books, but not yet been in the movies, that you would like too see in HBP?

I know Pansy has been in the background a couple of times, but i really hope they give her an actual 'part' in this one. She has always been a favourite of mine

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jayden

gaahhhhhhhhhh

i havent been in the new thread or in that conversation or anything
but yeah i think he only wanted to go into slytherin no matter what

and i also think that he might have wanted to pretend he was important to his parents or something like that try to get closer to salazar slytherin maybe??

any way he had his mind set on slytherin

and he didnt want to change that for the world or any body in the world not even for the person he loved lily

MALFERRET

guys! please help me!

I'm doing a contest on another [dutch] forum, and I have to give an answer to a few questions.. could you help me? I don't have part 1,2,3 and 4 and from the movies only 4 & 5... And there isn't much on the internet. [what is in the books, I mean.. you'll see what I mean.]

There's a student in Slytherin and the English initials are GP. How old was he in part 1?
answer: I don't know who he is! :S

What was it that Draco Malfoy wanted to buy at that shop with all sorts of dark things [don't know what's it in English]? [it's in part 2.]
answer: I can't check it, it's not on the internet and I don't have the book.. I don't know somebody I can ask!

I can find the rest. If somebody could help me, that'd be great!

The answer to your second question is the Hand of Glory, which Malfoy also used in the sixth book. The hand of glory looks like a withered old hand on a cushion, and if you insert a candle into it it will give light only to the holder, hense how Malfoy could get past all the Peruvian Instant Darkness Powder. The Shop he bought it from was called Borgin and Burkes.

I have no idea whatsoever about who this mysterious G.P is. Are you positive you got his initials right? The closest I could find is Adrian Pucey, the Slytherin Seeker Harry plays against in his first year, but his first name doesn't begin with G. Tell me when you do find out who he is though- I'm very interested!

Good luck with the rest of your contest!

thanks! was it that hand Harry grabbed? xP
It's going very good by the way.. I'm in Ravenclaw there and we're on top!

hey moonlight have you finished your contest and if so how did you do??

if not good luck
have you found out GP is yet?


MALFERRET

I've sent in the answers yesterday, so we do know who GP is...
Graham Pitchard!
Ever heard of him? He was 8 during the first book.
We have to do 2 tasks and we don't know when we'll hear about the next one..
And we do not know the standings after the 2d task, we'll hear that probably after the 5th.

Are we like playing some kind of trivia game here? I've been away for a few days and I come on here and there is alot of different questions being posted around so I was just wondering?



OK who has to do this? People in the book or people here on VTM? Slightly confused Today is Super Bowl Sunday in the U.S so my mind is not quite into this? Could someone fill me in? I'd appreciate much thanx

Marcey

hi
on another website moonlight is ravenclaw and they are doing a quiz or something so she was asking us a question well 2

and moonlight no i havent heard of Graham Pitchard that i can remember

MALFERRET

BTW I believe we're doing great.. we already sent in the answers and we knew all of them. So maybe.. we will still be on top!

there was something I wanted to ask you guys.. I don't remember, maybe later.

Oh and did you also notice that jayden.payne isn't online anymore?

I remember Graham Pritchard! He was only mentioned once in the whole series, I can't remember where though. I just remember my friend going on about how her grandfather's name is in Slytherin. It's a pretty hard thing to remember on a contest, a minute detail like that!
Hope you guys do come on top!

According to the Harry Potter Lexicon (who is THE authority on such stuff), Graham Pritchard entered Hogwarts in 1994 during Harry's fourth year and was sorted into Slytherin. See Chapter 12, The Triwizard Tournament for the reference. After that, we never hear from him again.

...ei, this is my first time to drop by..

...i really have no idea who this Graham Pritchard is.. it's ages since i last read GoF after all.. but good luck to what you're doing.. whatever it is..

yes i dont remember him either but it has been a wile since i have read GOF as well

and yess moonlight jayden hasnt been on much and next time im reading it i will look for him in chapter twelve and good luck moonlight

there hasnt been much different subjects since i was last here i was expecting like 3 more pages but there was only 1 with only 1 post on it

so we need some more ideas



MALFERRET

Doesn't look like there is much going on in this forum as of late... Tahts sad to see I was going to answer a question I saw posted about what was it that Draco Malfoy wanted to buy...I believe it was the Hand of Glory he had his eye on that since like Year 2 I think I could be wrong but I do believe that is what he had his eye on....

We need to come up with some new discussions here it's kinda like dead ya know?

Here's one for thought that I have come up with:

Why did Draco not go through with his request by Voldy to kill DD when he had DD right where he wanted him?

Marcey

HELLO!

wow. its been a while. missed youu all!

Why did Draco not go through with his request by Voldy to kill DD when he had DD right where he wanted him?

Well.. this is my theory..

You Know How Voldy Was Threatening To Kill Draco If He Didnt Kill DD Quickly?? Well, I Think Draco Thought He Would Be Killed Anyway, So He Felt Safe With DD There Around Him All The Time, And In The Castle.. Where There Was All The Safety Procedures. I Also Think He Was Also Really going To Take DD's Offer Of Hiding And Being On The Right Side. But Then... DEATH EATERS arrived. So he Couldnt Really Could He??

Anywayy...

How Have You All Been. Jeez. Its Been Ages Since I Posted Here

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jayden

HELLO people of my house! Okay, Dracoslady, DD was talking Draco down until Snape got there. To me Draco just got scared and wasn't able to do it because of what jayden.payne said about all the saftey procdures and etc. Think about it, DD cared for all of the Hogwarts students that he refused to leave the castle (well most of the time).

A NEW POST!

its about time!

i have been waiting for soooooooo longg!

where have you all been!

the subject actually dropped to the SECOND PAGE

anyway.

anyone got any new subjects or questions?



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jayden

It has indeed been kinda dead here lately.... Thats a shame to see...Hmmmm any new posts or topics???? Let me come up with one and I'll put my 2 cents in then whoever else visits can put theirs in too.....

How did Draco know how to use the Room of Requirement to do his dirty work?

The reason why I ask this is because remember when Harry used it he had to think of a reason why the room needed to open for him. But how did Draco even know about the room/ Was it because he and his goons spied on Harry and his crew from the first time they used the room? I don't believe Draco knew of the rooms existence prior to Harry finding it...Then he must have paced back and forth in front of the door until it revealed itself to him...Any other thoughts on this one?

Marcey

I think he would have remembered it from his Inquisitorial Squad days. Draco was the one to catch Harry once he tried to leave the Room of Requirement. Even if he didn't know exactly what the room was, I think he would have figured it out pretty quickly.

Marietta had told Umbridge that there was "a secret room on the seventh floor, sometimes known as the Room of Requirement." (HBP- American version, p. 613). Umbridge would have had to tell Draco what to look for when she sent him and Pansy to search for the DA.

After seeing how well the room had worked for the DA before someone on the inside had ratted them out, I think it natural to assume that that was where Draco decided to use the room for his own benefit.

Hello Annabelle Peyton! Welcome to Slytherin by the way.

You have a point. Marietta told Umbridge about the Room of Requirement so she would most likely tell Umbridge how to enter in the room, but Malfoy and Pansy looked like they were spying on the location until the students would come out so it looks like Marietta didn't tell how to open the room. In the movie, it was Cho who told Umbridge about the Room of Requirement but most likely refused to say how to enter.But I have no idea why they didn't tell how to open.Probably to challenge Umbridge or something .Do you get my point?

I believe Marietta was too upset about all the pustules from Hermione's hex to tell Umbridge how to actually get into the Room of Requirement

And I don't know if Cho could have actually refused to say how to enter the Room of Requirement since she had been given veritaserum. Part of the security of the room was that no one who wasn't in the DA could enter, which is why they had to break through the wall.

i agree Annabelle Peyton and Roman_tic
i think draco
and
i also think just like roman_tic and annabelle peyton about every thing esepecially about



and she probably didnt know how to get in ... because she and cho always went together so cho probably opened it all the time or they went in with other groups because im not totally sure but i do think that in the books they allways went to the rooms in pairs or triplets but always in groups never alone but i think that was so that there were less people that umbridge could wriggle the truth out of and so there was a higher security rate than if everyone knew about it. well maybe. but im pretty sure thats right

MALFERRET

i nearly forgot

welcome to Annabelle Peyton and Roman_tic and anyone else who i havent welcomed

also we all hope that moonlight comes out on topin her quiz and if it finished CONGRATULATIONS!!

MALFERRET :magic

All of those theories make good sense everybody, but I think that Dracop also being the little spy that he was had his own ways of finding out where that room was located. I'm sure after all of the times he spied on Harry and the gang that he put two and two together and figured out where the room was and later on down the road how he could use that room for his own uses. Remeber he was in there repairing the cabinet to allow the Death Eaters to come through the other cabinet that was in Borgin and Burkes...Draco he is a sneaky little devil is he not?

Marcey

He certainly is!

I think this calls for a new topic:

Why do you think Draco was so reluctant to identify the Trio when they were brought to Malfoy Manor in DH?

It wasn't possible that he didn't recognize Ron and Hermione, yet he never really gave a definitive answer when asked about their identity. Let me know what you all think.

Why do you think Draco was so reluctant to identify the Trio when they were brought to Malfoy Manor in DH?

I think that maybe why he did that is because maybe he knew deep down that he would eventually need Harry, Ron and Hermione as allies in the end. If not the latter two he knew that he would definately need Harry on his side at one point cause deep down I think Draco always felt that he knew when worst came to worst Harry would be his strongest ally even after all of the bad feelings the two had dealt with over the years.

Again that shows that Draco was not such a bad guy after all, cause if he was he would have called out Harry in a heartbeat.

Marcey

hi all! I'm back! It's been a while, isn't it? ;P

I think you're right, Dracoslady.
I never really thought Draco was that bad. But his parents are very demanding and when you're drenched with their thoughts, it might be hard to believe something else.

Again Draco had the attitude that he did because of the way that his parents (Lucius more than NArcissa) raised him to think. I guess you can kinda say its like brain washing. After so long whenever you keep putting thoughts and ideas into people's heads they eventually will begin believing what you tell them. And over the course of Draco's life that is what his father's ultimate goal was to "brainwash" Draco and make him a "mini-me" of sorts but in the end Lucius' life plans for his son failed him 'cause he himself ended up in Azkaban.

Marcey

Yeah, I think that if he hadn't been raised in the atmosphere he was raised in he might have turned out differently, but with the circumstances he was in I think he had not choice but to be how he was.

Woah! Conversation! This is a change...
Why do you think Draco was so reluctant to recognise the trio when they were brought to Malfoy Manor in DH?
I always wondered about this! I would like to point out that Draco was slightly more inclined to recognise Hermione than Harry, I guess the 'mud-blood' thing was pretty sunk in.
I don't think he was 'brain-washed' as such, though. I mean, I know his parents probably drilled in the pureblood message from the moment he was born, but I also think he was eager to believe them, as everyone will believe their parents. In the seventh book I think he was beginning to think for himself some more, perhaps consider that maybe his parents weren't right after all, which is a pretty scary thing to think at the best of times.
I imagine also that seeing the full picture, how truly cruel Voldemort could be even to his followers, Draco begain to doubt his position. This also might explain the way he behaved during the battle, unsure whether not to stay on his own side, but unwilling to pick a side where he is so mistusted and rejected. There is also the pride thing there, too, being unwilling to admit that he was wrong.
I'm really glad to see this thread is back on track again, and that it was saved from the horrors of the second page!
And a big welcome to all our new members; welcome to Slytherin!

Mine too I'm sure they're putting her in H.B.P., because I saw a photograph of her on google. I think the photo is on the Veritaserum Icons link, too.

Me too! pansys so cool. im just jealous... she gets Draco. i wonder if the HBP movie is going to as good as the book... hmmm.

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...i haven't been here for a while.. anyway,

Why do you think Draco was so reluctant to recognise the trio when they were brought to Malfoy Manor in DH?

...honestly, i don't know, heh. i mean, who would expect draco to do that, though i must say, the first time i read that part in book7 i was really pleased. i mean, it just shows that draco is not really evil. i'm sure draco would recognise the trio anywhere, even with harry disguised (disfigured face, more like). after all he's with hermoine and ron, so how difficult is it to put two and two together? and being harry's archenemy for more than 6 years, i'm sure he knew it was the trio.

...so now we can surely conclude that draco recognised them. however, he didn't turn them in. why a change of heart all of a sudden? he'd been enimies with harry for 6 long years, and harry had every intention of hurting draco and snape the last time they met, but why did he inadvertently save the trio?

...i'm having a difficult time identifying draco's true motive, but i guess he's considering the possibility that harry would be their only salvation against LV. i'm sure he's heard from the death eaters that only harry is capable of killing LV, so in denying the trio, i think it shows that he's getting tired with LV's ruthlessness, and he's desperate. i'm sure he'd like to escape the present life in the malfoy manor which has become a living hell.

...however, draco did try to prevent the trio's escape, so i think he's getting cold feet. i mean, he's probably reconsidering harry's capabilities, and he was after all, afraid of LV and what he could do if the trio did escape.

...and in the RoR scene, draco was determined to catch harry and bring him to voldemort. after all, the glass from the chandelier must have been very painful, and he would have returned wandless to hogwarts if not for his mother. i guess the old enmity between he and harry was rekindled. besides, i think he was reconsidering harry's capabilities. how could someone like harry defeat LV, when in draco's mind he's way better than harry? surely in draco believed that harry can't defeat LV.. that's why he attempted to catch harry

...sorry if its kinda garbled and confusing. english is not my first language.. my apologies.. so, that's it for now. i hope i can visit soon..

I agree with lianne_nakago about Draco's motives for not identifying the Trio once they had been captured by Fenrir. By the time they had been brought to the Manor, things were looking pretty bleak for the Malfoy's; Lucius had no wand, their home was overrun with Death Eaters, and Draco had failed in his task to kill DD. Definitely not the best of circumstances. Draco might have been looking for any way to help himself and his family stay safe- even if it meant helping The Boy Who Lived, a mudblood, and a blood traitor.



I agree with you there. It's one thing not to recognize someone when asked, but it would be quite another to help that person escape, especially in room full of Death Eaters and a bloodthirsty werewolf Poor Draco!

Why do you think Draco was so reluctant to recognise the trio when they were brought to Malfoy Manor in DH?

I agree with you Annabelle, I feel that Draco knew that he had no other choice but to protect the trio. After all in the end his hide is saved not once but twice by Harry and Ron. And also Draco had failed Voldy by not offing DD in HBP, so I believe because he did have a conscience and had some remorse that is why he kept the Trio's identities under wraps. But again most of the Death Eaters and Lucius know who Harry is and what he looks like and who his friends are so why they did not recognize them is beyond me, they are so thick

Marcey

...yeah, it was kinda weird.. i mean, after all that happened between the trio an the death eaters, they still cant recognize the trio? even with harry's face disfigured, how difficult was it to add one and one and get two?

...although i did consider, maybe they consulted draco just to be sure that it really was harry they were dealing with because they absolutely cannot mess up the capture of the boy who lived. after all, they all fear LV's wrath, and he'd surely be angry if they gave him a false report, so they had to be absolutely sure that it was harry..

But again if these thick dweebs remembered Harry from the past then they should have known who Harry was without Draco having to identify him. Again these people were thicker than maple syrup, they were not all too bright if they could see Harry. And where you have Harry you have Ron and Hermione....

Even when they consulted Draco he still would not give them up, so therefore his loyalties shifted at some point. After all of the years that he wanted Harry and the other two he had them at his disposal and chose to cover up for them instead of blowing their cover....

Marcey

...i agree, DracosLady.. good thing Draco's in slytherin. we don't want dudes like Crabbe and Goyle representing slytherin now, do we? especially if the older generations of slytherin aren't any better..

...and i do appreciate draco for not turning in the trio.. we are shown more of his character's depth that time.. that he's not pure evil, that there's more in him that what we usually see.

Well it would be kinda hard for Crabbe to represent anything except for maybe a House Ghost considering he is el finito.....For the most part the generations of Slytherin have all been tainted by one thing or another, probaly mostly by their upbringing and such. So therefore Draco and most of his fellow Slytherins are the way they are because of the way they were raised and the beliefs instilled into them as children by their elders....

I always knew that Draco was never pure evil just perceived in that sense but still making him look like a bad boy makes him that much more desirable to all

Marcey

...haha, you're right. it's an added appeal.

...there's just something with the arrogance and the swagger that is so appealing.. though i guess we only see that in the movies. because it's kinda different in the books. he's more of a spoiled brat in the books (but still appealing. am i repeating myself?). and i cant wait for HBP movie..

...well we can't really do anything about the slytherins being an "unfriendly and dangerous lot". everyone's been like that from the very beginning, and now everyone else is living up to their reputation.. it's nice being noble and pure, but i hate it when stupidity comes with the package (crabbe & goyle: perfect example.) at least, it seems like draco's not as stupid as the others..

Out of most of the Slytherins Draco does seem to have the most intelligence out of the lot, even though at times he may not show it. Yes in the books he does seem to be displayed more as a spoiled brat and in the movies at times they portray him in a comedian like light. I don't know why they do this but it is still fun for the most part.

He is a very appealing charactor to most of us, I think that is why I was attracted to his charactor to begin with, his attitude and such and the way he presented himself to others.

Marcey

You're definitely right about that, DracosLady. Draco seems to be the most intelligent kid in Slytherin. Especially compared to Crabbe and Goyle.

Of course in movies they're going to make him a little more comedic, because people like humor. Also, to many people, it's fun to get back at the mean guy.

I have always been attracted to Draco. Even in the books. There was so much about him that the reader didn't really know. He was a mysterious, arrogant badboy. He was the top of the world.

I agree lissakitty.... There is so much of a mystery surrounding Draco thats what makes him such an appealing charactor to all of us...He is mysterious and also a very arrogant bad boy and his little snotty attitude is what attracted me to his charactor from the beginning. He was at the top of his world for awhile but then ultimately with the decisions he made in later years he slowly crumbled down

Marcey

...oh dear.. we're all quite obsessed with draco here

...i like the way his character developed. from a spoiled kid to a student encountering school problems and rivalries, to a teenager being given a chance to prove his worth as a deatheater, to a young man confused of what is right and the things he was born to believe, to someone who has to make decisions that would change his standing on aiding with LV or not, to a fully grown man who has a family and was somehow able to forget his animosity with harry.. and somehow maintaining his appeal through it all..

Nothing wrong with that!

What I've always liked about Draco's character was that throughout the series, the decisions he made must have been much harder to make than any of Harry's. Harry always had the benefit of support from his friends, the Order, DD, etc. It's a whole lot easier to make difficult decisions when you have people to back you up. Draco really had no kind of support at all. He had so much more to lose if something went wrong.

Yes Harry always has had a much stronger support system than Draco. Draco always had his father breathing down his neck and pressuring him to join the Death Eater Ranks, and later on he had Voldy breathing down his neck also. And where he failed to complete the task Voldy doled out to him, Draco in turn angered Voldy and I feel that is why he and Snape went on the run...

Draco would have had alot to lose he was grasping at straws basically, but in the end he redeemed himself and came out looking somewhat better than what most of us would have imagined, and he did go on to marry and have a family of his own...

Marcey

Wow...... Like i just got sorted into Slytherin and i wasn't too happy. But listening to all of this.. like maybe Draco wasnt such a bad guy. Im sure i won't be a deatheater lol. Im not very evil or insensitive. I was thinking more of Severus SNape then any of the other Slytherin characters because he is a true hero to Harry. Thats why i am not that down from gettin chosen into Slytherin. But now Draco isn't so bad either. Plus it isn't hsi fault he became a deatheater. Voldy and his father made him. And even though he was suposed to kill Dumbledore he never really had the gutts too, but he was brave enough to try and do the task: but there's where Snape gets in. wow i think i might be happy to be a Slytherin even though my fave color si blue!

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