Is it just me or is anyone else seriously concerned about this movie more than the others. I don't even think that I am that concerned about DH, as I think that one would be pretty hard to botch.

However, since the "sex, drugs, and rock n roll" comment by Yates I have lost a lot of hope for this movie. I can just see it becoming a comedy and completely disregarding the dark tone and tragedy that is the main theme, which would ruin the finale.

I know there are already similar discussions on the style of HBP and whether or not Yates can balance it, but I'm more interested in hearing about everyone's level of worry on this matter.

Your thoughts?

After enjoying Prisoner of Azkaban immensely, I didn't have any qualms about any of the movies. That is until I saw GoF. What a mess that was. Mike Newell certainly got that wrong from my PoV.

I had high hopes for Ootp and David Yates I must admit, did get certain aspects of it spot on. For instance the battle between DD and Voldemort in the Ministry, the Death Eater/Order confrontation in the 'veil' room and particularly the Harry being possessed by Voldemort which I thought was the most moving part or the movie, more so that Sirius's death.

But that was it. Don't get me wrong I love all the HP movies and OotP is as watchable as the rest of them, but he seemed to keep in parts of the plot that weren't needed and leave out parts that were. I suspect knowing what we do now, about how it all ends, he is regreting some of his cutting descisions.

I am wondering whether his 'sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll' comment was made tongue in cheek, I really hope so, because I don't see how he can fit that into a 2 1/2 hour movie that has a lot of stuff going on that is important to the plot. I'd hate for the film to end up being all about the trios relationships with others. Too much was made of Harry's thing with Cjo for my liking. It could have been totally dumped or just hinted at for the film purposes. I know that 'shippers' will disagree with me on this point, but ships are only a part of this story and shouldn't be made into the whole plot!

Yeah, I am also worried about the tone of HBP. I read in an article awhile ago that Dan said that HBP should be the funniest film so far. I really didn't get the comedy in the book. Yeah, the joke shop and some of the relationship stuff was funny, but Dumbledore dying at the end kind of overshadowed all of the comedy. I was disappointed in OOTP, I felt someting was missing.I didn't like how the focus of OOTP was the DA. Yes, the DA is very important and it should have been in the film, but there were other things that the film should have been focused on.

So yes, I am concerned that HBP will become a romantic comedy. The ships should be in the film, but not as the main plot. Dumbledore's lessons with Harry and horcruxes are much more important and should make up most of the film. But I think to appeal people who do not read the books, they will mostly show snogging scenes.

Hopefully it won't turn into a romantic comedy, it doesn't fit with the tone of the main plot [but does add an interesting dichotomy if it's done well]. However, I am not really troubled by the suggestion that there is more lovey-dovey stuff going on. They're growing up; the book was also the most shippy!

Besides, they are taking meausres to help emphasise the main plot, with the extra scene they are adding. (Can't wait for that!) The new scene is supposed to illustrate the brewing danger the wizarding world is progressively falling into, something the book does bit by bit but what the moviemakers want to do in a nice, neat scene.

[If there is too much Harry-Loves-Ginny stuf, though...I'll die. ]

After reading HBP I thought the tone and the atmosphere of the entire novel was a dark and gloomy tragedy that could rival the great tragedies of Shakespeare.

Fair enough it isn't the tone of the entire film, there are some lighter hearted scenes, with things like the H/G ship and Ron and Lavender bringing a sense of comic relief to the film. But thats what it is. Comic relief. Those scenes were used so that the entire book wasn't dark and well tragic. Those scenes were offered to us by JK to allow us to escape from the dark times surrounding Harry. They were used for escapism - for us, and the characters, to take a little time away from the more tragic times and wind down essentially.

I mean in this one they spend a lot of time looking into LVs past and seeing just how sick and twisted it is, yes there are a few comedic moments such as Ron and Lavender but even that has an element of tragedy or atleast a darker tone to it as he's using her because 1) he hasnt had a first kiss and 2) to get back at Hermione. The entire book had underlying connotations, as well as more predominant and quite blatant features of a dark, tragic and well sad atmosphere.

I mean, for Merlin's sake, Harry has no family left no whatsoever. He has no parents, he lost Sirius the year before and now Dumbledore's gone! Ron, Hermione and Ginny are all he really has left. Moody, Lupin, Tonks - everyone else from the Order, Molly and Arthur, Harry never see's them and doesn't have a bond like he had with Sirius or DD so in effect, he's completley alone now.

So I am baffled, and almost outraged to hear DY saying things like it being a film about 'sex, drugs and rock and roll', to read interviews with Dan saying 'HBP is the funniest film yet'.

I'm sorry but I really don't credit DY as a director, in my opinion (and yes I know a lot of people think different) he screwed up the fifth film, and now he's gone and done the exact same thing by getting the atmosphere of the entire novel completley wrong! (as well as cutting way too many integral scense from the film!!!!)

Kelly
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I am also slightly worried that they may overpower somme of the romantic comedy parts of the story. I mean i love it and all but i agree it's not what it is meant to be, JKR made this book dark and tragic.

However i feel that JKR, being as important as she is for Harry Potter (i mean she created the whole story and basically hand fed them the plotline), will never let it get as far as changing the story genre and will step in when she feels necessary to say that it has gone to far, you know what i mean?

There are my views what do you think?

- chinery13

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Personally, I worry that the 6th one will be a load of rubbish. This artical from a while back makes me think that they are focusing an the comady/romance bits rather than the more complicated emotion of the story, Bill getting mauled by greyback, for example (witch we can assume has been cut because Fleur has been cut).And cutting bits about the gaunt family with play a key role in the 7th book, as stated in this artical.
Finally, I worry that the movie makers are taking too much liberty in reinterpriting the story. Acording to this artical they are adding a new seen that is 'not in J. K. Rowling's book'. Acording to the 140th PotterCast, there is a rumer going around that, in the seen, bella and some other death eaters emerge from the woods and attack the Burrow, setting it of fire (did anyone else hear that?). From what I can tell, they are making a fine mess of things...

bolding mine.

Well, I can't say I blame the screenwriters for "making a fine mess of things" and end up making the 6th movie into a "load of rubbish", after all they are dealing with the "rubbish" that is HBP!

My opinion of course.

I so agree with you guys. The HBP was by far, a funny book, but not so that the movie goes on to become "the funniest movie so far". The main focus of the book was DD and Harry delving into details of Voldemort's past, and how grimly they acknowledge that Harry may have a possibility of survival - is that supposed to be funny? having remote chances of survival?

Your being sarcastic...right???




Thats how I feel- I don't think it should be though of as "funny" really...Harry struggleing to survive, DD dieing, and Death Eaters attaking Hogwarts is not even remotely funny. On the other hand, Won-Won is the funniest nick-name in the history of literiture and Luna is the best (plus you have five other fingers ) So, I think that they should put in the little funny bits but contine to remind the addiance of the grim mood that has decended over the wizarding world since Voldimorts return was made public.

Thats my personal and unprofessional opnion
~Jack(ie)

David Yates recently commented that they were gonna add a new Pacing scene for the new film, that wasn't in the book atall. From what i understand a pacing scene is one that sets the pace and tone for the movie and hints at what theme will be.
OK, my point is that if they are infact including a scene that allows the audience to feel that there is not only danger in the Harry POtter world but there is danger in the muggle world also, and the Burrow, then we needn't worry about the film being too funny because there WILL be enough dark sequences to set the pace.
I think the sex, drugs and rock and roll merely refer to the Ron/Lavender and the whole fun that occurs at Hogwarts with Slughorn's party and stuff like that. Quidditch will especialy be more fun this year because it will be more slapsticky and funny because of Ron. I also believe that what Yates said about the sex, drugs and rock and roll relate to the fact that all the characters have grown up even more and that they are becoming more like teenagers who party. That is all his quote referrs to...partying.

Although it is true that they do go to partys they hardly party.There fun is nearly always interupted by a danger or news of some grim happening in the wizarding(sp?) world. It's true that they really are growing up but "drugs, sex, and rock and roll" isn't the mood of the book so it shouldn't really be the mood of the movie.

Oh they are gonna do interruptions like that in the film, i think, because i heard that they are adding a pacing scene to set the danger mood and pace to the story. So i think the sex, drugs and rock and roll is all just a sub-plot that David Yates mentioned. I think we will see alot of parties and a heck of alot of teenage stuff (i.e. snogging) - but that will only be half of it probably. The rest will focus on the seriousness. That i think is staying true to the book because whwnever i read it i get the sense that half of the plot is focused on the characters growing up and the other half is focused on the dark serious tone related to finding voldemort's horcruxes.

I didn't really get the funny side of it. I mean the whole Lavender, Ron and Hermione thing was geniunelly funny to read but its a very dark and concerning book. I suppose they meant it's very balanced even though it is going to be the most humorous of the films, it should also be the darkest. Well that's my view. If they get the balance right then I have little concerns for HBP.
David Yates comment was probably just a "tongue in cheek" as etphonehome put it. Like everyone is saying tennagers are sort of like that but ti's a Harry Potter version of it. We'll just have to see.

Yeahh i liked this book a lot because i thought it was the most 'teenagerish' and most of the books i read are like that! i have no idea why i am in love with harry potter sooooo much cause i absolutely hate that genre!! (besides harry of course) so this book made me hapy and i hope that the movie gets that feel to it..i looked forward to this one soooo much because i love the whole relationship thing.

I'm worried as well! Half Blood Prince is one of my favorites in the series, I really hope the movie does it justice. I don't know if it was David Yates or the script writers but I felt that Order of The Phoenix was very choppy and rushed...:-/ . On the other hand, Half Blood Prince is a shorter book than Order of the Phoenix was so they won't have to fit as much in. I REALLY hope this movie turns out well though! I loved movies 1-3, was seriously disappointed with 4 and was OK with 5. However I am ready for a little bit of a lighter film, if they follow the story line with loyalty to the book and don't rush it hopefully it will turn out great...

I feel a lot less worried about the 6th movie than the 5th movie because the tone of the book is a lot more obivious. In the 5th book a lot of harry's stuggles were in his head, so they were hard to portray on film. As for the sex, drugs, and rock and roll think david yates said....he means that they are just getting older and are being teenagers. alot of this book has to deal with teens struggles, and not just all the relationship stuff, like what draco is going through. I feel pretty confident that they will get the tone right but i am still a bit scared. The 6th book is my favorite and i hope the movie does it justice!

For me, the fourth movie was my turning point. Before I'd loved all of the movies, but I couldn't believe all of the stuff that was cut out of it. It was a big disappointment, to say the least for me! The fifth movie I thought was kind of a different tone just by hearing the happy, skipping music that was being played in some parts. Also if they're going to add more comedy, they need to balance it by putting in more dark stuff than the funny stuff. Don't get me wrong it'd be nice to get comedy in there to but it shouldn't be about the funny stuff AT ALL!! Also I'm kind of going to contradict my last sentence, by saying that there was never a sunny day in the fifth movie. not once. It just needs to be more balanced than David Yates made the fifth movie.

Why is everyone so upset with how the 4th movie turned out. I thought it is one of the better ones. Of all the movies its the least like the book, but i thought the changes they made were necceary. the movie would be very boring if an hour of it was all talking and explaining about winky and mr crouch. They can't include everything in the movies, but i still feel that the 6th one will turn out pretty good.

I read the fourth book last month for the second time in my life and i didn't realise how different Barty Crouch Jnr's portrayal was in the film version compared to the book. During the Hearing scene Barty Crouch Jnr was supposed to be sixteen and he was supposed to seem really innocent and stuff, but then when he got sent to Askaban his character transitioned into someone sycotic and revengeful of his father. In the film he is portrayed as mad all the way through. That's one of the reasons why i'm not as impressed with GoF - the thing is there are bits in that film which are good but there are also bits which could have been alot better...

...but anyway, i'm getting off topic here!

I can't wait to know what the tone is gonna be like fopr the sixth movie. It seems to me that it will be different from Gof and Ootp. It's a little bit frustrating because when you watch the trailers you get a tone from the movie but then it isn't the full tone because as soon as you watch the film, the tone is really different from how you imagined it from watching the trailers. That's happened to me a few times; in Ootp i was really excited because i thought that the tone from the trailer gave me a sense that it was somehow gonna be like Prisoner of Askaban but then it turned out to be even darker than i imagined when i watched it at the cinema. I wasn't atall disappointed because the film was awesome but it's strange isn't it how that happens sometimes?

I really like the sixth book - it comes second to best in the whole series for me - first comes Prisoner of Askaban because i love the theme. I can't wait to watch the film when it comes out. I have a feeling that the tone for this movie will be similar to the book anyway, but just that little bit different. It will have the same theme and everything but it would be delt with a little differently.



Oh, I think that was the general point of the theme; the fact that the world is getting much darker for Harry, the weather will get darker also. It's supposed to reflect the point at the beginning where it is supposed to be a really hot summer but then the Dementor's make it really dark and miserable when they appear from nowhere. Also, if the plot is that the Dementors have been let loose then there is bound to be less sun because they are continuously sucking the life out of the country.
But what are you talking about though? Of course there is a sunny bit in the film;at the beginning where everything is all hot and humid; at the end where things have been resolved and everyone is heading back on the Hogwarts Express - did you not notice that? They had a little bit of sun at least. But, yea,h anyway, i did notice that there is little sun too - but i don't think we need to worry about that because it was purposeful.

Ok, so here's my opinion. Here is a book with some seriously dark undertones (right down to Harry nearly killing Draco) and yet Yates has said that this will be more of a "romantic comedy". Are you kidding me? I mean... seriously, come on.
I understand that all the kids are growing up, some funny relationship based things are happening, but DD dies! Half of the story is going into the past of the darkest wizard alive. How comical can this be?
I was seriously disapointed with some of the things they left out of GoF and again with things left out (or changed) in OoTP. I understand that you have to alot for time, and that you have to tweak SOME things, but I don't want them to butcher this movie. Both GoF and OoTP left out some of my favorite scenes and I don't want that happening in this movie too just because Yates wants it to be more light-hearted.
On the note of Fleur; I thik they will have to bring her back in the 7th movie for the plain fact that so much happens around her and her husband. Just food for thought.

I think, fair enough it's okay to have the whole teenager, growing up sub plot within the film because, well to be honest without it then it wouldn't be true to the book. JKR wrote it like that for a reason, she wanted us to see them growing up and getting on with their lives like normal people.

However, my main worry is that DY is focusing too much on this, instead of it being the subplot the way it's coming across in interviews is that it's more of the main plot and the whole DD dying, Horcruxes thing is the subplot instead.

I so hope that this isn't the case when we see it though.

But I think also David Yates' stupid idealogies are ruining the movies and the tone of the movies. For instance he doesn't believe in a movie that is over two hours. So that screwed up the 5th one. Because of that stupid belief we saw hardly any of the more serious concerns like LV and stuff, and we saw mostly the kiss with Cho, the stuff with Umbridge, all the subplot, comic relief stuff that could've been cut instead of what was actually cut.

And I think the same is happening with HBP now. I think the things they're cutting should be kept in the movie. I would rather see the pensieve scenes than Hermione chasing Ron with some birds for one.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm concerned for movie 6. And now movie 7 as well. I think David Yates was the worst thing that ever happened to the HP movies.

To call HBP the 'funniest' film yet just made my jaw drop. I sat there and thought 'How the hell can they make this a funny film?' fair enough they can have their funny moments to add some comic relief to the film (I mean, no one wants to sit through a completley serious and dark movie) but come on! That isn't the tone of the movie! Overall this movie is dark and bleak. With its funny moments. That doesn't make it a comedy. That makes it a dark book with some comic relief so that the readers don't get completley depressed by it!!

Kelly
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Maybe that's what David Yates meant? That there will be more comic relief than there was in the fifth movie. I souldn't worry about the movie too much; although you do have your own personal concerns with it and that's fine. But seriously, i saw a video clip of an interview on set with Dan Radcliffe, Rupert Grint and Tom Felton, and Tom (who plays Draco Malfoy) said that when reading the script and comparing it with the book he apparently found that there were not much things that were different from the book that were included in the film. Unless, you could count the new pacing scene as something different, but that's probably all there is. On that little note, it seems that, as long as we can all trust Tom Felton, the new film will have alot of similarities to the book.
Honestly, i find it very hard to believe that it is possible for the film to be exactly like the book, simply because there are some things which are better left out of the movie. Also, i very much doubt that everything will be included in the same order.
It's possible that what Tom Felton meant in his short interview is that when you see the film in contrast with reading the book you probably won't notice anything thats left out, so they've probably taken little snippets out from the book - even the little ones - and may add them in - so at least we may see everything.

...hang on a minute...i believe we've gone a little off topic here...so lets talk about "the tone of the movie".

there were two things I thought were wrong with the tone of ootp which i dearly hope the director wil adjust in this movie:
1) the unecessarily long pauses- i know pauses create tension and we don't want a rushed film, but seriously in every scene there were like 5 second gaps between each person talking which wasted time.
and 2) the chemistry between the trio- they didn't seem to fit together as snugly as before. maybe it was portraying the detachements harry felt in ootp, but still i felt like i was watching dan rupert and emma as actors rather than harry ron and hermione.

OH MY GOD I hope Gambon's performance improves... that's what i'm MOST worried about- that i'm going to hate angry Irish Dumbledore (you all know what i mean) and not care at all when he dies. In fact, if he's standing on top of that tower snarling and shouting about having studying to do and throttling harry, i'm gonna be cheering when he finally topples over the edge.

Yes, i see what you mean. I noticed that also, but that may have been because the camera was focusing more on Harry changing as a character, and spending alot less time perfecting the Ron and Hermione characters.
I think the reason why you and me have noticed this, however, is because their acting in this film has become so grown up that we hardly recognise the characters. That's probably the problem, and it explains why we saw them as actors more than the actual characters because we are noticing their talant more. Plus the Media doesn't help because these days we here loads about the actors now and i don't think its getting any easier for us to think of them just as the characters seeing as we know all about them now in real life.

I don't think there is anything we can do about that problem though, we'll just have to try and imagine them as the characters instead of the actors - if we really wanted to make an effort. But i do have a feeling that the next film will be different, and better, because firstly the acting won't be soo serious this time because the tone won't be as serious, and secondly they might have more jokes in it like they had with all the previous ones, befor Ootp.

The thing i noticed though about the characters Ron and Hermione is that when they are in the common room and we see them talking about Hermione helping Ron with his essay, i think that was when i truly saw the actors instead of the actual characters, because their acting was soo out-of-character. But then the other times they were fine.

I honestly think that some times Harry Potter fans actually forget that they are reading about illogical, rash, bold, hormone drawn, cheeky teenagers. Harry Potter isn't just about a battle of good and evil, it's a coming of age story, where characters makes some stupid, but funny to outside observer, mistakes about their lives. I think that if JK just made a book about a guy who grows up and thinks of not much but killing his great adversary, the books wouldn't have been nearly as popular. You need characters you can relate to.
I can understand why Dan said it would be the funniest, because I think that the sixth book, is the funniest book, I laugh the most and the hardest while reading it. I also cry, as well, of course.
Really, the book is all about what makes Voldermort different from Harry, and why Harry can stop him. Harry has a life that's full of love and the complications that come with it. And I'm not just talking about romantic love. He's put in the middle by Ron and Hermione, and he can't go to either side because he loves them equally. So that should be portrayed, and made clear.
But that's only the one half, there’s the darker half too. This book, more than any other, is also about Harry's double life. Being a teenager, and a student, a Quidditch player, and worrying about his fluffy feeling towards Ginny, and on the flip side, wondering what Malfoy is up to, learning about Voldermort, trying to train himself to be able to hunt him down. So of course the darker, battle side, will be in the movie, of course...I'm not saying it's not important, because the battle of good and evil is really what it's all about. But the point I'm trying to make, is the teenage, "normal" side of Harry, is just as important, especially in Half Blood Prince.

I am worried about the HBP movie...I was very very disappointed in The Order of the Phoenix. I hope they don't leave a lot out HBP. It's my fav book besides DH. I hope to see the comedy that was in the book...but most of the book wasn't very funny. And I hope I see Dobby and Kreacher...the house elves have been lacking a bit in the movies. Hopefully HBP will be like a 4 hour movie so that they wont leave anything out!

I'm sorry to get all negative on you...but i don't think Dobby is going to be back in this film, seeing as he won't be that important a character to the makers to include. But i would be happy to say that he will most defiitely be in Deathley Hallows, but probably not until the second half. That's just an assumption of mine though.

Oh, and i VERY MUCH doubt that it will be a four hour movie - that's just wishful thinking on ur part...i'm sorry to say.

BUT! if you think about it...when we put the two Deathley Hallows movies together...IT WILL be like it is a 4 hour movie, but that's just getting technical.

Sorry for the reality check...i hope i havn't ruined your day with this negative response.

You didn't ruin my day and I didn't need a reality check. Thank you though. Just expressing an opinion...I said "Hopefully" but obviously not very likely seeing as though HBP isn't split into 2 parts. And I thought Dobby was important...he and Kreacher are the ones that follow Malfoy and give Harry information...and that info leads to Harry being more angry with DD and hating Snape more than he already did.

Surely it can't be a massive problem if they do take out Dobby? They could just include Kreacher, but then they might not even include him. They might, i suppose, just have Harry come across the room of requirement and hear someone inside (Draco), or they might have a different character say that they heard someone in the room of requirement.

Anyway, i dont think this would affect The Tone of the Movie - and, anyway, the Kreacher/Dobby search for Draco is only really a minor part of the book (i thought), it wouldn't exactly make a difference if they cut that bit out and skipped to the plot of Draco disappearing and Harry not knowing where he is. That would build the suspense, and then...well, i don't know how he would figure out that Draco was using the room of requirement...maybe they won't say he uses the room of requirement...or maybe, Harry follows Draco and he witnesses him sneaking into the room of requirement, that would be good. Or...perhaps we will just find out that he is up to something, and have it at that. I should think they'll include Snape interrogating Draco.

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So, what else do we think about the tone of movie six - how it should be? I think it would be fun in most places, like PoA was with all the jokes (with the bird and Ron's leg, etc), and it would end with a hint of reality (such as a much darker, sinister tone, where Dumbledore dies). It certainly won't continue to be fun at the end, it should end (i think) on a sort of cliffehanger - not a major cliffhanger like Eastenders - but one where we are left wondering what Harry does after the funeral. Afterall, we didn't get to read where Harry goes back home, it just ends at the funeral; perhaps they'll do that.

I am very surprised that some people actually say that HBP wasn't a real funny book. It was the funniest book in the whole series, and the most romantic, just because its because it'll be funny doesn't mean it won't be dark. Remember the GoF movie (which was not my fave because of the plot removals), it was a really dark film, but had so many laughs. I think that the tone will be the same as OotP, or PoA, but most likely OotP (David Yates), and so will both Deathly Hallows Part 1 and Part 2.

I agree! The new film will definitely be different, it will have that unique quality to it.
I think that even though it is being directed by the same person (David Yates) - and the same for all the rest - each new film will be different; we cannot expect two movies, of course, to have the same tone, but i do believe that it will be similar to PoA, GoF and OotP because that's how the tone seemed in the book. As long as they stay true to the theme of the book then the film should have the correct tone.

And, yes, i too am not as much of a fan of GoF, compared to all the rest. Although, i do enjoy watching it, but its not my favourite story. PoA and HBP are my two favourite books, and probably wil be my two favourite movies - that's just how it always turns out for me. OoTP was better than i expected, considering the book, but that doesn't mean it's as much as a favourite of mine as PoA. I do love the soundtrack though, and that's what won me over, and the way they did the tone of that movie was awesome; it totally suited the book, in my opinion.

OK, i found this interview with Daniel Radcliffe just now, talking about Harry in the new film (Half Blood Prince), and they included an official synopsis that was added recently apparently. Have a read.

I was surprised by the synopsis actually. The tone of this new Hary Potter seems slightly different to how i imagined it; firstly, Harry isn't atall happy in this one, which is a shame, and secondly they've clearly included some things in this film which i never expected them to include, like the Ron eating Romilda's chocolate part. I can just imagine Ron coming to lesson and acting all stupid . It would be like that Umbridge walk sequence in the fifth film, but it's Ron looking all goofy and romantic; he walks past everybody, singing to himself, passes Lavender who moans at him, then sees Romilda in the hall, walks up an kisses her, and meanwhile Lavender is across the hall looking offended and upset. ( my idea by the way, not official). It would be a really funny sequence, those, however, would probably be the only type of funny sequences in this film because it says in the synopsis that Harry is unhappy, and his relationships are unhappy, so the whole tone seems a bit depressing. Not that i'm complaining, its probably going to be a really great film; and, by the sounds of it, it's going to be different!

Well my expectations didn't drop (a lot) before I read the news about Tonks. But now... ONE scene?? You gotta be kidding me?!?! Like I know they can't put everything from a book into a movie so don't start that! But this I don't get! Why on earth would Tonks be in ONE scene in the movie? The train scene is obviously there, why not Tonks then? So Hermione can have yet more lines? I didn't expect much scenes with Remus and Tonks, but that change with them being together as a couple when they arrive at the burrows at christmas... where did that come from? That's totally opposite of what happens in the books! It goes again Remus character! I HATE how they mess up and cut character developements... I certainly hope it's been a misunderstand because it doesnt fit with other things I have heard. As far as I remember Nat said she'd be having brown hair in the movie, filming train scene etc. Well I don't see the reason of having brown hair now...?

It's the first time my expectations dropped this much...

Wow, is she really having Brown hair instead of purple? That'll be interesting to see - but i've said this before in another topic, and i'll say it again: that i certainly hope that they won't competely ignore the Tonks/Lupin relationship altogether because that would be soo annoying. I mean, the rest of my family don't read the books and i don't think they should have to just so they can know what's going on in the movies, and i definitely don't think i should have to go through with them what happens in the background, who that person is, etc (i had to show my sister the other week, for example, that in Ootp ron's brother, Percy, was the one holding Harry and Cho in Dumbledore's office).

Like you, NymphieDora, at first i didn't get what the problems with the extra scene were, but now i realise how much of a difference it makes to the film when we compare it to the book. I hope it's not as bad as Natalia Tena (in the interview) makes it out to be.

Many people seem angry about alot of things from the books, but i think we really need to remember that they're doing what's best for the movies! These scene additions and cuts are not just some way to p**s fans off! they're doing what they need to do to make a smooth, understandable storyline, not for the readers. for the people who watch the movies! It doesn't help to walk into a movie and already put it down. Harry Potter is a ridiculously complex storyline, and as people who read the books, we understand it much more on an emotional level, and we can delve deeper into that kind of atmosphere, with words and through someone's point of view! The moviemakers have an extremely demanding job of adapting an incredible storyline. they're never going to be able to please everyone, but with the time, complexity, and the rest of the enormous number of limiting factors they have to adapt something this big, they're doing a heck of a job.

Rant over.

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One of my concerns is the constant assurance that this film is more of a "comedy"...
While HPB is not nearly as dark as OOTP, nor is it a comedy. Why does David Yates feel the need to "lighten" up the series. Isn't the popularity of the entire franchise enough to leave the tone of the movie to match the book?

And, what do some of you think about the choice to cast a "white" actress as Lavender Brown? While it shouldn't matter, I loved the fact that "racial" predjuice was not a part of Jo's books and having one of the main characters date a black girl, I thought was really cool! Oh well....I'm just a wee bit disappointed. While I know that movies take creative licenses, I believe too much is being taken here.

Your thoughts?

I have heard this "Lavender Brown is black" comment quite a lot, but I can't see where it says in the books that she is supposed to be black. Can someone point me to her description that says she's black please?

Thank you!

i'm at work but when i get home, i'll look it up for you -she is clearly indentified as a black girl in HPB and I'm sure in earlier books as well. Also, Lavenendar has appeared in the movies in many of the Gryffindor room scenes and it's always been young black girl playing her, so I feel this is really an unforgivable faux pau on David Yates part. How do you explain Lavender going from black to white? Cleary he doesn't read the books carefully to ignore such major detail as to ones ethniticity and who is prominent in the series, just not in the movies.

Hm I have never pictured Lavender Brown for black. Maybe people picture her that because of her name? heh. I dunno. I never really had a clear shot of her.

Funny thing on the new promo-yarns lol. Tonks has brown hair there (though probably not short), but thing is, it looks very brown... which is odd after reading the real-or-fake interview with Tena... Oh and the one of Remus! Cool!

I' still too confussed to get my hopes up for HBP again though. I just need to wait for it to come on theater... which is too far away

I pictured her as black, and I don't know why. Maybe it's the 'Brown' part? But, no, she's not supposed to be black; there's a line when she and Ron are making out and Harry thinks it's almost impossible to tell who's arm is who's, which indicates that she is as pale as Ron! But we all create an image of the character just by their name; we don't need character description when you think about it. How many people would have imagined Harry Potter with blonde hair? Hagrid with blonde hair? Slightly nerdy, bucked toothed Hermy with blonde hair? They all sound like brunettes for no apparent reason. Same with the name Ronald Weasley. Does he sound like a dashing, tall dark and handsome man? Does Albus Dumbledore sound small and speaky-voiced? Does Flitwick sound massive and booming? Dooes Remus Lupin sound like a mean person? Does Lucius Malfoy sound nice?


...Backfired charm? Maybe Yates is hoping no one will notice. It's a pretty inimportant point anyway. The key thing is to make her appear annoying on sight, and the actress they chose already annoys me and I haven't even heard her speak.

*rant over...I like names*.

I am getting the strong impression this is going to be chock-full of Won Won and Lav Lav, Harry and Ginny, Ron and Hermione. By the sounds of it, the actual plot is a bit of a back story.



*cries* I know!!! At least we can looked forward to something, L/T shippers: they have to indicate they are a couple, which could mean at least a peck on the cheek, an arm around the waist, (a full out kiss, maybe? )...they can't just have Harry walk in and someone be like, 'Oh, yeah, Remus and Tonks got together, funny that' and then the camera pan to Lupin sleeping in a chair and Tonks playing chess with Fred. They have to show them together somehow. It would be more than what ever happened in the books, anyway, save then flinging their arms around each other when they never though they'd live to see each other again (good work, JK, you successfully ruined their relationship with unconcvincing writing, well done).

What is is with me and long posts today?

Yup, I've skimmed all of the first six books, and no description of Lavender, not even as white or black. Seamus doesn't get a description either. I spotted the part about Ron and Lavender kissing in the Gryffindor common room too - and I have drawn the same conclusion: She must be white if you can't distinguish whose arms belong to whom.

So, she can't be black no matter how she was portrayed in any of the other movies. Also, I didn't spot that she was the black girl in the hospital wing when Harry had fallen off his broom in POA. I just thought she was an indiscriminate extra. Is she credited as Lavender Brown? I'll have to check the film credits now!!!

Edited to add:

I have now checked the credits, and yes Lavender Brown was played by a black girl in POA called Jennifer Smith. But, as it was a non-speaking role, it really isn't important. If they can change Pansy Parkinson, then they can change Lavender Brown.

I have been saying it from the begining PottyHead. OotP was awful. Even if you don't compair it too the book it was hard to fallow. I don't know why he was choosen to direct the 6th and 7th ones! I can only pray that those to movie's are are (one million times) better than the 5th one but my expectations arn't high

Personally, I think the book is very compact for everything that happens in it. I'm not too worried about if the film becomes lighter then the book, because we'll still have the books for the darker themes.

Film Adaptions are only adaptions afterall and the way people interepert things could be different from how we do.

I didn't like film 5 as much as the others because it focused to much on Harry being isolated and alone.

Comments about the Cho thing being too focused on... I don't think it was focused on enough, you don't really find out he likes her until he kisses her. It's all there to show how the characters are growing up despite all the danger.

A light hearted film really wouldn't bother me all that much; the films are never what I expect.

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When I read HBP i felt like it was i two parts. The first part of the book was showing the more humorous aspects of the book, like quiddich and the relationships and it was more like the earlier books in that way at the end. The end, obviously, is very tense and sad when dumbledore dies. Im concerned about this part too. I reckon yates will do ok with the first part of the film, but im not sure he will do justice to the ending. In OOTP I felt he didnt spend enough film time on sirius's death, not creating the right atmosphere. Personally, I hope he does a better job with this film than OOTP.

You see, i don't think it's the case of Yates making the film better, because, in all matter of opinion, it's more the case of him pleasing everyone's expectations - which i think is impossoble, because everyone has different opinions on how they think the film should be made.
You might say that he - as a director - should consider what the fans want from this next film and then change it according to that. But even this technique is too risky because there are so many people who want a scene like this, and others who want the scene like that, that it would take ages to decide what EVERYONE wants.

It's only an interpretation afterall.

I think the tone of movie 6 will be actually mostly the romance stuff an Harry being very moody, I don't like it when he is that, it spoils the movie. Anyway, the tone will be lavender and Ron relationship, Harry and Ginny, Hermiones jealousy and I heard the producer, David Heyman said "were going to edit those out a wee bit." which means there won't be many. I didn't really like the memories of Voldermort in the book, although they are extremely important. And I hope the whole acting is much better than the order of the phoenix film because if you are doing romace stuff you can't not be good and shaky on the acting, especcially the trio who everyone seems to say they are all really good actors but I think they are weak. Hermione's good but a little shaky, I think that will effect the overall mood. Is that a good thing or bad thing, but Jim Broadbent will spice it up a little but doesn't everyone seem to ignoring the actually book of the half blood prince, that was a scary book, and then all the kissing interveens.

I believe the 5th movie was not the best out all the movies made. I think they took out too many details and I am afraid that these next movies will be the same. I hope they don't cut much of the romance and I hope that they actually show Bill in this next film. I am scared that the scene in the cave won't be done in the best possible way as well as Dumbledore's death.

According to Daniel Radcliffe, there will be moments in Half Blood Prince which are like the famous Scottish film Trainspotting. Now, at first this worried me a bit because Trainspotting puts emphasis on drug use. But when i look closely at the film i realise it is a comedy and htere are moments of light relief where the main character gets hit on the head with a football or does something funny.
I think that's what Dan is referring to.
He also said that "the dark bits a so dark its black".
I was looking on another harry potter site just now and i saw an article giving a preview of the next film, and apparently we don't actually get to see Harry and Ginny kiss in this film. Sure they get close to kissing but that is frustratingly, and not to mention rudly interrupted by the death eaters attack. When i read what dan was saying about the dark bits being black i think this is what he is referring as one of those parts. Because when you realise that Harry and Ginny don't actually get their kiss in the film because of the death eaters it's quite dark in that respect; because it's like reality hitting you in the face, that the bad guys won't let Harry be happy with the person he loves, and that's almost evil in alot of ways.

Everyone has been saying it's lighter and more comedic than the others, but that only disappointed me considering the ending is one of the darkest parts of the series. I don't feel like this movie is going to up to scratch as everyone's making it out to be, but nonetheless i will go see it and enjoy

Oh and i read the scene where Ginny and Harry almost kiss, and it's something like Ginny ties Harry's shoe and then comes up and they are inches apart and then the attack happens, but that's just what i read from an interview, they might mix it around in post-production.