The Gryffindor House Thread

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Where dwell the brave at heart,
Their daring, nerve and chivalry, set Gryffindors apart.

This is version 3 of the Gryffindor House Thread. The second thread can be found here. I'll include some of the questions and comments from the last posts there at the end of this post.

This thread is for discussing the house of Godric Gryffindor - it's role within Hogwarts, the typical traits of Gryffindors, the characters from this house in the HP series, and everything else related to Gryffindor House.

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So if the sword of Gryffindor actually belongs to the "house" of Gryffindor, why was there a will stating it belonged to Dumbledore, then Harry?

Two responses were:


How do you see Hermione Granger as a character? What are her strengths and weaknesses? Does she truly belong in Gryffindor or perhaps is Ravenclaw more suited to her character? Feel free to discuss anything else good, bad, or indifferent in regards to Miss Granger.

Two responses:

Oh Wow, thanks for the brandnew thread

How do you see Hermione Granger as a character? What are her strengths and weaknesses? Does she truly belong in Gryffindor or perhaps is Ravenclaw more suited to her character? Feel free to discuss anything else good, bad, or indifferent in regards to Miss Granger.

I think that Hermione's strength is first of all of course her brains. She is really very intelligent, even when she is in danger she can keep cool and think of a way to get out of the situation. But in a way I think that she tries to cover up some insecurity by "showing off" her intelligence. She isn't as girlish as her fellow students are and I think she can't really get on with girls in a way (her best friends are boys), probably because she is into completley different things. But this is exactly what I so like about her. She is unique. She is really so different from others, although sometimes she can be really bossy (although I think that's really cool).
But I think despiter her being really smart, she obviously has to be even braver as she was put into Gryffindor. Of course she would have been a really good Ravenclaw as well but the solidarity she has with other people or that she always sticks to her friends, even in the worst situations or risking her own life to help are more fitting to Gryffindor I suppose.
So consquently she is braver than smart which is quite beyond imagination as she is like...the smartest person on earth

I tend to agree... I've wondered why Hermione wasn't in Ravenclaw given her extremely studious habits, but even from the 1st train ride to Hogwarts, she was showing bravery and chivalry (2 important Gryffindor traits) by helping Neville find his toad. She did not know him, or anyone else aboard the Hogwarts Express, yet she set about going throughout the train to help find Trevor.

I think what solidified (for me) her Gryffindor-ness was helping Ron and Harry find the Sorcerer's/Philosopher's Stone. That took extreme bravery... from cursing Neville to going through the trap door. She went against her "Ravenclaw tendencies" to help her friends.

A new question that could be posed along side this one, is why Neville was sorted into Gryffindor instead of Hufflepuff. Given, after all is said and done, Neville shows great aptitude for Gryffindor, but for the most part he has Hufflepuff leanings.

Hey Gryffindors', thanks for letting a Ravenclaw hang out with ya'll for a bit. Now to the question, Hermione would've made a great Ravenclaw, Hermione and Luna together would've been almost unstoppable, and if we throw Ginny in with them ( Ginny also has some major Ravenclaw traits, cool intellect, and clever), that be game over. Those 3 would have taken out Voldemort by themselves, but I digress, helping Neville find Trevor is a pure Gryffindor quality, ok maybe not pure, but it's pretty close. It's her will to help her friends, in any capacity that she can. Hermione's courage and bravery held Ron and Harry together thru everything and she could hold her own. Unlike Cho and I think it's Marquetta, they only seemed to care about themselves or each other. In that same respect, Luna was more like Hermione. Neville was sorted into Gryffindor over Huffelpuff because while it didn't show up until later, Neville's leadership skills were always there, and as a leader, to make tough decisions one must be brave.

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For me Hermione is just annoying. *again ducking from the books being tossed my way*
Why would Ron want a girlfriend who constantly makes him feel inferior? Hermione doesn't speak with any sort of respect in regards to Ron, impatience laces her voice daily and she doesn't really believe that Ron has much talent. Even at the end of the series when they are married Ron comments that Hermione didn't have any faith in his ability to pass a muggle driving test and the fact that he actually did cheat is because he didn't want to disappoint her thus needing to pass.
Hermione is brilliant of course but she flaunts it which to me is a Ravenclaw trait. Everyone knows she is the smartest witch of the year but she hops up and down in her seat to be noticed by teachers, she gives the answers even when Snape perhaps wants another student to try instead...okay, that's reaching but still, does Hermione have to be the first one with the correct answer? She even gets disappointed and annoyed with Harry when he is the one with the correct answer in POA. That is her friend! Shouldn't she show some sense of pride that her friend answered correctly?

Hmm...those are good points, but personally I don't feel that Hermione is showing off so much as she is just excited by learning. She likes to show that she studied and worked hard, and as for her always teasing Ron, he teases her right back. I think that's more of a friend/love thing. I think Hermione would have made a great Ravenclaw, but Gryffindor was the better choice. Smart she may be, but she's proven her bravery multiple times!

*I agree with what others have said about lying in the First Year about the troll.
*Defying Umbridge in the DA
*Defying Umbridge by leading her into the Forbidden Forest while having NO plan!!! That takes guts!
*All the adventures (Sorcerer's Stone, Chamber of Secrets, the Time traveling, etc...)

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*Going with Harry on the run and staying even when Ron left! That took immense courage, especially considering all the times they had to face Voldemort.
*Not giving in to Bellatrix when she was being tortured. That is a HUGE example that I think definitively proves her bravery.


I think Hermione is a Gryffindor through and through!

I'd have to say that Hermione was annoying but awesome at the same time.

~She always corrected people
~She stood up to Umbridge
~She denied her feelings for Ron
~She said Voldemort's name way before Ron did

So she can be annoying and awesome. And sometimes sad...

~Leja~

I haven't posted in months, so here's my opinions on these two topics:

So if the sword of Gryffindor actually belongs to the "house" of Gryffindor, why was there a will stating it belonged to Dumbledore, then Harry?
That one's tricky. I think of it more as having a caretaker and an owner. DD and Harry are caretakers, while the entire house is the owner. Does that make sense? They pass it along, so someone can take care of it and use it, but any Gryffindor has a right to call upon it when they need it.

How do you see Hermione Granger as a character? What are her strengths and weaknesses? Does she truly belong in Gryffindor or perhaps is Ravenclaw more suited to her character? Feel free to discuss anything else good, bad, or indifferent in regards to Miss Granger.
Hermione, huh? She's a piece of work (I do mean that in a complimentary way, of course. I only mean she's a complicated person). I think she would have fit quite well in Ravenclaw. She was always a real intellect. However, I think that being in Gryffindor maybe helped her develop her courage, rather than reward her for it. She had it deep down inside, but needed something to force her to develop it. I'm not saying that this happens in all cases, or that she wouldn't have been brave if she wasn't in Gryffindor. I think she is a true Gryffindor; I just think that she could have fit in either house, but maybe she wanted to be in Gryffindor.

Do you think too much emphasis is put on Gryffindor at Hogwarts? Or the Gryffindor/Slytherin controversy? Does this portray Gryffindor as too much of "elitist" group? I don't mean snobby, just does it portray them as "the best house"? Maybe "a step above"?

So if the sword of Gryffindor actually belongs to the "house" of Gryffindor, why was there a will stating it belonged to Dumbledore, then Harry?

Like many others, I think that it was Dumbledore's method of telling Harry that it is a tool which could be used to destroy the horcruxes. Hermione would know about the necissity of using such a powerful object, and the basilisk venom would do the trick.


She might not have been intentionally showing off, but I bet she still enjoyed the attention and knowing that others think of her as brilliant.

In an unrelated note, this happens to be the 15,000th reply in the Lounge. I feel honored to post it.

This is the most insightful thing I have seen posted about Hermione in a long time. I personally don't care for the character at all however this statement about her courage seems right on. I do think that Hermione was better suited for Ravenclaw but by being sorted into Gryffindor, the Sorting Hat saw Hermione's courage as something that was strong but seriously under developed. When put into situations of imperatives where it was just necessary for her to be brave...she came through and thus developed her courage.


Do you think too much emphasis is put on Gryffindor at Hogwarts? Or the Gryffindor/Slytherin controversy? Does this portray Gryffindor as too much of "elitist" group? I don't mean snobby, just does it portray them as "the best house"? Maybe "a step above"?

I certainly think that the story made it seem like he was the overall balanced choice as far as the founders go. Perhaps this attributed to what seems like superiority between the houses. We don't hear much about Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw through out and I think that in Deathly Hallows when they talk about how the Sword of Gryffindor was actually stolen from Goblins is a way to try and tarnish the name of Godric Gryffindor.
I certainly do see that the author has portrayed Gryffindor house as a step above the rest, I mean poor Hufflepuffs right? Just getting the whole rest of the lot...and we all know about what kind of folk went into Slytherin. I'm not saying it is good or bad, just that there is definately a distinction

Yay new thread lol .

Do you think too much emphasis is put on Gryffindor at Hogwarts? Or the Gryffindor/Slytherin controversy? Does this portray Gryffindor as too much of "elitist" group? I don't mean snobby, just does it portray them as "the best house"? Maybe "a step above"?

Yeah I also think that they maybe do show Griffindor as the best house but that could just be becuse the story is from a Griffindor's point of view not a Slytherin's, Ravenclaw's or Hufflepuff. Or it coud be for the simple reason that us Griffindors are special

Neville's greatest Hufflepuff trait is his loyalty. He is fiercely loyal to Harry when the rest of the school is heming and hawing about if he is a nutter or not. I think when one is sorted though the hat goes off of the dominant trait of the person and not necessarity the most dominant visible trait. We know from Hermione that her dominant visible trait was her intelligence, but she was sorted into Gryffindor because of her courage and bravery. Same for Neville. Who would have ever thought that he would turn out to have leadership skills in Deathly Hallows? Do you think the Sorting Hat sorts based on potential and it is up to the individual to live up too or not to that potential?


I was just wondering how Gryffidors are special? What makes someone sorted into Gryffindor more special then someone sorted into any other house? The founders prided themselves on being the most intelligent witches and wizards of their age. They each felt that the qualities they thought were the most important were deserving of being taught and developed magically. I think each founder would have thought that the students they picked for their houses were all special. I guess it just bugs me that in the Epilogue one of the Potter kids says he will just die if he isn't sorted into Gryffindor or if he is sorted into Slytherin. (I can't remember exactly which it was) Was this just something like pride because his father and mother were both Gryffindors? Kind of like a family legacy thing? Or does he really believe that Gryffindor is a better house then any of the rest?

i really haven't posted in a long time!
Spoilers below!!!
I think that what JK was trying to get across with these character is that sou can not pigeon hole anyone. We all have traits from all the houses. Neville is very Hufflepuff but look what he did in the final book!
Hermionie is very annoying but that is part of her charm. When it really came down to it she could throw the rule book away. That is her greatest Gryffindore quality.
If you think back, it was her annoying personality that Dumbldore relyed on wasn't it? He counted on this trait to help Harry.
All these traits are there. Narcissia, Draco, Wormtail, Slughorn all had Slytherine traits for the most part but there was also good in them( very deep down and self serving at times).
Was JK trying to teach a lesson? that we all are good or was it just part of the story? Only she knows.

Do you think too much emphasis is put on Gryffindor at Hogwarts? Or the Gryffindor/Slytherin controversy? Does this portray Gryffindor as too much of "elitist" group? I don't mean snobby, just does it portray them as "the best house"? Maybe "a step above"?

The only reason I can think of, for giving Griffindor more emphasis is that because the Hero of the story belongs to griffindor. But I cannot say that Jk underestimated the other houses too.
The true Hogwards campion in the Triwizard tornament was Cedric.. And Jk tried to tell us about the other houses too. We only feel that Griffindor is given more importance because we have spent a lot of time in Griffindor comman room and the dormitories..

Also, I think it was somehow better to tell us the old Griffindor-Slyderine rivalry. Because it gives us a background about the evil acts against the muggle-borns and the claim of Death-Eaters and Voldy that the purebloods were supreme of all. And it has somehow, contributed a bit in Voldemort's evil acts.


How do you see Hermione Granger as a character? What are her strengths and weaknesses? Does she truly belong in Gryffindor or perhaps is Ravenclaw more suited to her character? Feel free to discuss anything else good, bad, or indifferent in regards to Miss Granger.

I think Hermione, truly belonged to Griffindor only... She would have made a fair Ravenclaw, but the hat thought better of it.. Remember Harry too would have been stuitable for Slytherine but it was his thinking that he was selcted to be a Griffindor.. Same thing goes in case of Hermione..

Yes, she may be a bit oversmart, but which topper wouldnt? But, I dont think she was proud of her wits. Her intelligence have helped Harry and Ron many a times.

Her weakness, hummm.. I think it wold be Ron.. Remember, she was all quite when Ron was poisioned in HBP and she was very much broken when Ron was snogging Lavender ans when felt Harry and her in DH.. she cried for weeks...

As for her strength, I think its her intelligence..

I am not answering the will question, because everyone have mentioned a bit of my thoughts already.

Is it okay if i post here? i'm not sure on what house i belong, i mean i haven't been sorted yet... the results are not yet out.. but Gryffindor is my fave house...

Do you think too much emphasis is put on Gryffindor at Hogwarts? Or the Gryffindor/Slytherin controversy? Does this portray Gryffindor as too much of "elitist" group? I don't mean snobby, just does it portray them as "the best house"? Maybe "a step above"?

I think JKR didn't mean to emphasize that Gryffindor is above all the houses. It's just that the lead characters are in that house. The story revolves about the trio and the past characters (e.g. james,sirius,lily) are in that house too. Maybe JKR just didn't put too much story to the other houses..

~I personally really enjoyed the Gryffindor/Slytherin conflict. I also think that it was more of a Slytherin against the rest of the school conflict though. No other group really got along with them and it just seemed that Godric Gryffindors and Salazar Slytherins strong personal beliefs carried over the generations to house qualities. I like the warning the Sorting Hat gave every year after Goblet of Fire...houses should unite. That had poetry to the story. Unfortunatley I don't think JKR capitalized on that. She didn't allow that to happen in Deathly Hallows. Slytherins still tried to turn Harry in during the battle of Hogwarts and they were the only house to leave and not fight. Draco, Crabbe and Goyle don't count as they were not trying to help Harry in the fight but trying to thwart his efforts.


~Of course Crookshanks_ize. Welcome to the Gryffindor House Thread. Pull up a cushy, comfy chair and join in the discussion or the party...whichever we are doing when you come in. You may post in any house thread you wish as long as you post related to the topic. It doesn't matter if you are sorted into Gryffindor or any other house.

Have fun

Hi everyone. I am a proud Gryffindorer (sorted and everything )
Well, I think that the Slytherin/Gryffindor conflict is about what the houses represent. And JKR favorizes the brave. The good (hufflepuff) and the smart (rawenclaw) are not much the center of attention, the fight is basicly between the brave and the power-seeking. It was quite enjoyable to read about this.
Also interesting, Harry would have been great in Slytherin, but he chose Gryffindor. Therefore JKR claryfies, that action and choices are most important. I think that she places Gryffindor higher than the others, because gryffindorers act. She doesn't say that Gryffindor is the "best house" (weren't there something about that JKR has said that she thought she would be in Ravenclaw or is that just me?). But I think that she concentrates on the acting house because it wouldn't be very interesting with a scared but smart boy, who would be to intimidated to fight the evil.

GO GRYFFINDOR

yes, I too believe that JK chose bravary above all and thus griffindor. After all, it was bravery that led Harry to die at the hands of Voldemort, it was bravery that led him to find the horcruxes. (and it was bravey that he could bare the dursleys.. kidding)

Yes of cause. It would have been a lot harder to do this, if all you had was your brain (well, you need to have some knowledge of cause, but there is more to it) or if you're just good at heart. It is hard to win over someone if all you do is hide!

How do you see Hermione Granger as a character? What are her strengths and weaknesses? Does she truly belong in Gryffindor or perhaps is Ravenclaw more suited to her character? Feel free to discuss anything else good, bad, or indifferent in regards to Miss Granger.

I have to say, she truly belongs in Gryffindor. I know Ravenclaw students are very intelligent, but I don't think Hermione is as smart as everyone thinks she is. She gets good grades, yes, but she is very narrow-minded.

She is very brave though, or else she would not stuck with Harry all these years.

I'm just wondering, but maybe she was the right material for a Ravenclaw, but the Sorting Hat knew something noone else did.

I think Hermione has proved that she belongs in Gryffindor because she never backs down from a challenge and will do anything to protect the people she loves. I think she probably would have done well in Ravenclaw but I dont think she would have been able to fully blossom in Ravenclaw even though it is a very good house. I think Hermione needed Gryffindor so she could feel brave and therefore become brave because she wouldnt want people questioning her placement.

I queit dissagree... hermione, not smart? If she wasnt smart, she would not have been able to pull Harry and Ron out of tight spots in DH and in other books too.... I cannot say that she had only bookish knowldge, she implementated that bookish knoeldge to save the day...





very well put! excatly my thoughts..

Hermione was placed in the right house, no doubt about it. She prooved her bravery in the forst book already, so don't question that. She is also smart, smarter than those from Ravenclaw, but she is more brave than smart (which means she is pretty brave). And if it wasn't for her brains and her guts, she wouldn't be able to do the things she has done, totally agrees with you there Radcliffefreek. Without Hermione, Harry would have been lost

I totally agree that Hermione is in the right house. She is so brave, and I guess it is brave of her to be smart in Gryffindor. But like you said, she would not be able to be the person she was at the end without Gryffindor.

Thank you..

Yes, there isnt any doubt that she is brave..and had guts too... I just read POA again and this book shows how "gutty" she is.. And with help from Harry she was able to rescue Sirus and Beaky.. And in COS, she did marvels! Hats off to her.

its not that hermoine makes ron feel inferior [although she has that tendency] she's just one of those uptight people that have no expererince to the laidback life. she has this idea that you cant put your guard down & maybe a ron is all what she needs(: someone who is the complete opposite, its just something that goes hand in hand<3 & they're like a typical sort of couple.. maybe ron & hermoine learn from eachother & they each make eachother a better person (: & i think that she has the brains to be in ravenclaw but all in all she has courage in her that needs to breakthrough & by being in gryffindor & becoming best friends with harry & ron its like life is set for her. either that or gryffindor needed someone like her(;

Hello guys! I can't believe that we have left our House Thread to die this slow and painful death! Come on people! Let's give it a boost! Mmmm... Let me think a couple of questions...

How relevant do you see Gryffindors' traits toward the recruitment for the Order of the Phoenix? Do you think that bravery and chivalry would stand out the most on the Order's missions?

We see a lot of Gryffindors on the Order. Do you think that they were the House with the most representatives in it?Was Dumbledore biased in his recruitment?


Maybe these couple of questions might bring back from the shadows our House Thread a little... Hopefully! I'll come back later and post my views!

How relevant do you see Gryffindors' traits toward the recruitment for the Order of the Phoenix? Do you think that bravery and chivalry would stand out the most on the Order's missions?

Good question, well I think bravery would certainly help an Order member out a lot. I don't think someone who is easily frightened would last long helping to hunt down Voldemort and the Death Eaters. They would most constantly hurt missions that were well thought out and planned. Of course you can still be brave in the other houses but it is what sets Gryffindors apart.

We see a lot of Gryffindors on the Order. Do you think that they were the House with the most representatives in it?Was Dumbledore biased in his recruitment?

I don't think Dumbledore was extremely biased in his recruitment for the Order. I think Dumbledore just had a picture in his mind of the ideal member of the order and Gryffindors just happened to have lots of those qualities. To do something that dangerous you need to first and foremost be brave, but also clever, cunning, just, chivalrous, and you should probably think before you act. Some of the people may have been family of members of the Order last time and they heard about the Order and volunteered to join. I would assume the braver you are the more likely you are to volunteer or agree to do something that dangerous.

Hi I'm a first time poster here. I am a Gryffindor sorted into Gryffindor.



I think Hermione was definatly put into the right house. Ravenclaw would have suited her too but not as well as Gryffindor. She is smart but also very brave. I think in Ravenclaw she would have not fit in. Like I said she is smart but her bravery would most likely get her distracted. She would be roaming the halls with Harry and Ron.

Leja

Anita,
I will post on the two questions you suggested later. I am especially anxious to tackle the first one, but for right now, I must answer this...




I may be confused but are you saying that what hinders Hermione's intelligence is her narrowmindedness? If this is what you are saying then I agree. I don't deny that she is a smart girl, but at some point part of learning is learning with feeling, emotion, and instinct. Hermione relies on finding the answer in books and is often reluctant to deviate from them. She is also disappointed when the books fail to answer her questions. I think to be a true Ravenclaw, Hermione would have explored all avenues of learning, not just book smarts. I think that her bravery is the trait that is developed casually throughout the series and her loyalty, even when Harry's own best friend deserts him, is something to be admired. (And I don't admire much about Hermione)

How relevant do you see Gryffindors' traits toward the recruitment for the Order of the Phoenix? Do you think that bravery and chivalry would stand out the most on the Order's missions?

I agree with [bHJP/HJG_TrueLove[/b]. The Gryffindor trait of bravery proves very helpful in the OotP, as displayed in the books. Chivalry is not as important as bravery but still should be practiced by everyone.



We see a lot of Gryffindors on the Order. Do you think that they were the House with the most representatives in it?Was Dumbledore biased in his recruitment?

I think that Gryffindors have the most representatives in the OotP but I don't think that Dumbledore was biased. In OotP they state that they try and recruit anyoen they can. Plus it's Dumbledore and he would never discriminate against a certain House or be biased in his recruiting for OotP. It's just not him.




Come on Gryffindors, let's get this third version going




-Nick
HJP

How relevant do you see Gryffindors' traits toward the recruitment for the Order of the Phoenix? Do you think that bravery and chivalry would stand out the most on the Order's missions?

Well..I think it's sorta relevant..having bravery is a good thing when your going face to face with evil. But bravery isn't everything. You can be brave and not very bright and all your going to do is get hurt. You know the saying all brawns and no brain. That's not a good thing. I think the perfect trait's for recruitment would be everything...bravery, intelligence, cunning and loyalty. But that's just me...

We see a lot of Gryffindors in the Order. Do you think that they were the House with the most representatives in it?Was Dumbledore biased in his recruitment?


Yes...Gryffindor was the house with the most representatives in it. But I have to agree with Harry James Potter I don't think DD is biased at all. I mean he trusted Snape didn't he? It doesn't matter what house you're in, DD will always give you the benefit of the doubt. That's just part of his nature..he's trusting of others.

How relevant do you see Gryffindors' traits toward the recruitment for the Order of the Phoenix? Do you think that bravery and chivalry would stand out the most on the Order's missions?
Well, it would be sort of bad if you are facing some dark magic and you are peeing in your pants. Not something that will knock them out (unless you make number 2, that might have some influence on them, they will kill you right away!). Bravery and chivalry is important, but you don't have to be a Gryffindorer to be so. Just look at Luna. And as you said Hermione17 it would be perfect with everything.

We see a lot of Gryffindors on the Order. Do you think that they were the House with the most representatives in it?Was Dumbledore biased in his recruitment?
Well, I think the original Order was mostly Gryffindorers. I think he might have chosen those he knew the best and he could trust. And then he chose people who were in Gryffindor, because he felt closer to them, as he was a Gryffindorer himself. Maybe he was a little biased (not intentially), but then again, it is Dumbledore, and he DID trust Snape as you pointed out.

Oh, and yeah, it is about time that we get this thing rolling. Afterall, it is our house that was "the chosen one"

Wow. I'd assume that the house with students like Hermione, Ron and Harry would be rolling more o.O

How relevant do you see Gryffindors' traits toward the recruitment for the Order of the Phoenix? Do you think that bravery and chivalry would stand out the most on the Order's missions?

I think that there are some relevant qualities. I mean you definetly need to have courage because what you might be going up against aren't really people you're own "size". You're dealing with something that can end your life, or scar it as well. I don't know about chivalry, I don't think that you're going to be awarded for having manners and I also agree with Hermione17, of some recruitment qualities.

We see a lot of Gryffindors on the Order. Do you think that they were the House with the most representatives in it?Was Dumbledore biased in his recruitment?

It does seem that the entire order was Griffyndor but then again not all. I mean look at Tonks, she was a fellow Hufflepuff and she was in the order. I mean maybe Dumbledore looked towards the Griffyndor seeing as that's what they are mostly, brave? But I think that anyone can join, it just depends if you're willing to live up to the requirements. Like bravery, cunningness, intelligence, etc.

These are some really great questions!!

How relevant do you see Gryffindors' traits toward the recruitment for the Order of the Phoenix? Do you think that bravery and chivalry would stand out the most on the Order's missions?

I think that they are pretty relevant, but bravery isn't everything. They are having to stand up to some pretty nasty evil that's out there. But, I don't believe Harry would've gotten as far as he did without Hermione's intelligence. I understand that she is also a Gryffindor, but as you know the sorting hat did considered putting her in Ravenclaw.

We see a lot of Gryffindors on the Order. Do you think that they were the House with the most representatives in it? Was Dumbledore biased in his recruitment?

I don't believe that DD was at all biased, although I do agree that a lot of the order came from Gryffindor. And in DH, when Pansy stood up and pointed Harry out to take to Voldemort, it of course was mostly Gryffindorers that stood up to defend him, as well as Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw. And when it was time to fight "a number of Ravenclaw remained seated, even more Hufflepuffs stayed behind, and half of Gryffindor remained in their seats." It didn't matter what house you were in. Almost everyone stood united!!

I am assuming when I say that Dumbledore was in Gryffindor so I ask this question. We all agree that Dumbeldore was wise and smart and incredibly intelligent. Do you think that maybe Ravenclaw suit him more? Or was he another like Hermione. Whereyou were smart but courage outshone the rest?

I am assuming when I say that Dumbledore was in Gryffindor so I ask this question. We all agree that Dumbeldore was wise and smart and incredibly intelligent. Do you think that maybe Ravenclaw suit him more? Or was he another like Hermione. Whereyou were smart but courage outshone the rest?



Yes, Dumbledore was a student in the house of Gryffindor and was exceptionally smart and witty. But no, I don't not think that Raveclaw would have been the better house for him.

It is my opinion that Raveclaw's think very highly of themselves and set themselves above the rest because of their superior intelligence. And it was stated somewhere by JKR that Ravenclaws did have a tendency to be very pompous with regards to their smarts. Dumbledore, however smart, was very adventurous and outspoken. He wanted to take action when he was a teenager and eventually lead actions against Lord Voldemort. So DD was much more of a 'doer' than anything else. It seems to me like the Ravenclaws are the centaurs of the four houses. Sit back away from the other houses and use your smarts to stay out of trouble. I don't think that was Dumbledore's personality at all...he was brave and very outgoing.


-Nick
HJP

I think in this case it was Dumbledore's choice in this case just like it was Harry's choice not to be sorted into Slytherin. I am not doubting Dumbledore's bravery because I know it outshines so many peoples bravery but I think Dumbledore is much more intellectually gifted than smart but he has tons of both trait.

I agree with you there Nick. We see that bravery is what dominated Dumbledore. In the very end, he used bravey and love to save Harry when they arrived at the Tower (in HBP). I think what defines a Ravenclaw is, as you said Nick, they think they are superior and they might act supercilious. Just that you are smart doesn't mean that you have to be in "the smart house". We learn that Hermione, Dumbledore, Snape, Voldemort (yes, he was very accomplished), well just many of the brightest actually weren't from Ravenclaw. So it is not all about your brains, but mostly how you act.

Yea I agree Lulu, it's the way one handles that fact that are smart. And in what way do they use it and want to show it off. I think that's what you meant. Correct me if I am wrong lol

Yep Nickers, that is excatly what I meant. E.G. Hermione doesn't want to show off, she just wants to be the best! That is the reason why she wasn't sorted in to Ravenclaw I think.

Lol either that or she was just to good to be a Ravenclaw

Well any new questions? :/


Nickers<3

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nicky potter , I've just realized that you're a hufflepuff. Decided to come over to the real house? just kidding





Glad to hear you two agree. Yeah, I wasn't trying to bash the Ravenclaws; it's just that's the way they come off. I really like how I put it earlier, about them being the centaurs of the four houses.


Let's see, new questions...


hmm... okay here's one...


Why do you think Lord Voldemort was not able to get/use an item of Godric Gryffindor's for a Horcrux?


In follow up to that question...


Do you think that the symbolism behind LV not having a Gryffindor Horcrux could have anything to do with the rivalry between the two hosues or Gryffindor's strength against Slytherin? Somewhat, like LV attacking everyone but DD?




I hope they suffice for now while I try and think of some more...


-Nick
HJP

Haha, thanks for noticing I am a Hufflepuff Nick, but I am very proud to be one besides I like to post in all the houses

Why do you think Lord Voldemort was not able to get/use an item of Godric Gryffindor's for a Horcrux?

Well I don't know if there's an exact answer but the most obvious came to me. It was said that only a true Gryffindor can 'summon' up the sword. It may not have been in those exact words, but it sounds good. And well, it isn't that easy to just go off and find the sword and take it. I sometimes wonder, if the sword disappears once it is touched by a non-Gryffindor at heart, if so then that can be likely that it happened to LV. Other than that, he was never a true Gryffindor. So it was pretty much out of his reach. I hope that made sense to others.

Do you think that the symbolism behind LV not having a Gryffindor Horcrux could have anything to do with the rivalry between the two hosues or Gryffindor's strength against Slytherin? Somewhat, like LV attacking everyone but DD?

I don't think that it has anything to do with the rivalry. What comes to mind more for me is that it's possible that since he for some reason was never able to lay hands on it, makes him think that there is some sort of 'power' behind it. Though he wouldn't admit it since he is 'Voldemort' But because of that it is POSSIBLE that LV may have had something against Gryffindor. Like it offended him, that anybody that had any relation to that house or any objects i.e the sword, it offended him and so if he sees them as a threat then so should Slytherin. Did that make sense? I hope I said some stuff to start discussion

Good questions Nick!


Nickers<3

Why do you think Lord Voldemort was not able to get/use an item of Godric Gryffindor's for a Horcrux?
First of all, I agree with what you said Nickers about Voldemort not being a true Gryffindor at heart. Also, I think he kind of feared the powers the item might posses (though he wouldn't admit it, not even to himself). Perhaps he thought the powers might work against him. And then, he had the deepest respect of Dumbledore. He might also have thought that he would give himself away to the enemy, that Dumbledore would realise what he was doing if he retrieved anything that had belonged to Gryffindor.

Do you think that the symbolism behind LV not having a Gryffindor Horcrux could have anything to do with the rivalry between the two hosues or Gryffindor's strength against Slytherin? Somewhat, like LV attacking everyone but DD?
I think the symbolism means that Gryffindor was the only house which didn't surrender. They kind of never gave in, and was therefore the best suited to finish Voldemort of. And then again, you theory Nickers is also pretty good. What does the rest of you lot think?

- Lulu

PS: Nice questions Nick
PSS: Very nice of you Nickers to help getting this thread rolling

Just playing around. Hufflepuffs are awesome.




thanks guys

Why do you think Lord Voldemort was not able to get/use an item of Godric Gryffindor's for a Horcrux?

I agree with both of you. It is said that only a true Gryffindor can pull the sword out of the Sorting Hat. In essence, only a true Gryffindor can have the sword come to him/her. I was also thinking about the fact that it was goblin-made and the ability of it to repel dirt. We also know that the sword only bonds with material stronger than itself, thus making it stronger as a whole. For example when Harry stabbed the basilisk, it became imbibed with basilisk venom, making it stronger.

So, with that knowledge, I was thinking that maybe Voldemort couldn't use it. If it can only bond with something that is more powerful than itself and it rejects everything else; then maybe it rejects being a horcrux. Horcruxes are evil and dark magic, so the fact that it was Gryffindor's and goblin-made, maybe a part of an evil soul (such as Lord Voldemort's) was not capable of bonding to it. Just a thought...


Do you think that the symbolism behind LV not having a Gryffindor Horcrux could have anything to do with the rivalry between the two hosues or Gryffindor's strength against Slytherin? Somewhat, like LV attacking everyone but DD?

I think it just symbolizes the basic difference between the two founders and houses. I think it is a simple case of sides here. Gryffindor was the leader of one side and Slytherin was the leader of the other. Slytherin was able to take over Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw because they were weaker than Gryffindor. However, Gryffindor was powerful and able to prevent him from taking a Gryffindor item as a Horcurx.


-Nick
HJP