This again interests me in the argument that human experiences mean nothing to a vampire. It seems through most of the books, Edward is arguing an argument that doesn't have as much authority as he'd like Bella to believe. Vampires apparently do desire and experience human emotions. Maybe it's muted up to a point; but with time (something they have in abundance) comes the feelings of loneliness that would cause Carlisle to turn someone, knowing the consequences of that action; and the desire for Edward to experience his own wedding.

For as much as Edward argues that the vampires aren't human any longer, Stephanie Meyers writes a lot to prove him otherwise.

Oh, absolutely. Stephenie Meyer' has Edward constantly commenting that he remembers human things all the time, the longer he interacts with Bella. From opening a car door for her, the way he expects Bella to tell her father that he's her boyfriend. Someone without any humanity wouldn't care about these things.

There is an interview on Bloomberg where her faith (again) and writing about the undead so to speak are called into question and her last comment was that ultimately she writes about being human.

The Twilight series is certainly not a rocket science level series, surely SM never intended that level of mental acuity from her readers. The books are an easy read, emotionally thought provoking should they grab you, and full of the essence I believe that defines humanity.

Defining the human essence is definitely a core point in the series. Can one have a soul and be a vampire, a werewolf, a good person, a bad person, etc.? Edward believes he has lost his soul and it pains him deeply, so much so that he resists keeping Bella by his side for all time. Thus, condemning her to the fate he himself believes he faces. What is that if not a look at the essence of our human selves?

What is a soul, who gets to have one, keep it, go forth into the great unknown of potential afterlife with theirs intact?

Edward does exhibit many human characteristics, feelings, emotions, conflicts, and the greatest expression of this is his action/reaction to Bella. Many of the characters may be supernatural now, but the characters all exhibit very human responses throughout the series.

I don't know if I'll be going off topic here or not (certainly hope not) but one of the biggest examples of how human these vampires are, for me is, indeed, Rosalie. She shows jealousy in every form throughout the whole series.

We know through Twilight that she even growls in the presence of Bella, she wouldn't come down the stairs to meet her, and then we learn that she just wishes to be her (human). Then in New Moon she even makes the bright phone call to let Edward know that Bella is dead (if you haven't, check the extra "Miscalculation" on SM's website here or here) while thinking only of herself, her own good, and bringing things back to normal for her own family, and then she votes "no" saying that it was for Bella's own good.

We do get to know her motive during Eclipse, but even if SM says that vampires are self-centered creatures, isn't jealousy one of the most human emotions?

As I see it, these vampires are loaded with humanity, like Carlisle with his compassion, and Esme with her "ability to love passionately", and then Jasper with his charisma (if it could be called like that), even if they deny human traits. But I guess this only works for the Cullens, because the nomadic ones, or the Volturi, are totally different in that matter.

Then, of course, there are the human topics treated throughout the series, like Dorthy clearly stated.

So yes, even if it is a story that regards myths and the supernatural, for me, the humanity of its themes stands out on every page!

Now, following Edward's line of thought, there's something about his whole wedding thing that I dislike (if it happens of course): he says that vampire experiences are always remembered, but they lose the human experiences as time goes by (except for Rosalie, who tried remembering them really hard in order to never forget them, and she succeeded in bringing them almost like vampire memories), so, if things go the way he wants, Bella will only remember her wedding fully if she tries really hard to do so, but he's not allowing her to have it as a vampire experience that will last forever regardless of the effort... Sounds weird to me... Of course it works as a great coaxing element, but well, that's another story!

I love reading the out takes and extras on SM's site. You can get a real insight into some of the characters, especially when she writes from a point of view other than Bella's.

Rosalie, in miscalculation is so self centred. She really doesn't understand Edwards relationship with Bella until it's nearly too late. She wants her family back together, the way it was before this unworthy human girl came along and spoiled it all. These are such typical human frailties.

No, SM didn't write her vampires without a soul or any humanity, she wrote them completley human.

Just have to share this priceless comment with you if you'll excuse me going off topic ever so slightly?

So, would Edward or any of the Cullens feel comfortable visiting where you live?

One person said this and I think it's brilliant..


Brilliant!

Either that, or they'd think it was one heck of a make-up job!

Well, I finally read the series, so can take part in the discussions! Hopefully I won't repeat things others have said, because I haven't read through all 10 pages yet. Thanks for the links to check out!

The vampires definitely behave in human ways! First, Edward really enjoys looking after Bella. We all have a need to nurture others, and Edward is no exception. I do think that perhaps one reason Edward is reluctant to make Bella a vampire is because he enjoys being her protector, and she certainly will not need that as much as she does now! I don't think this is a conscious reason for him, though. Bella does fight this, though, and I don't blame her. I'm sure she feels rather like a pet sometimes.

They also seem to need a close companion. I have to admit I was surprised that Rosalie was the only one in Edward's family who was unaccepting of Bella! I figured most of them would freak out that she knew about them! I think it's funny that Edward says vampires may have no souls, yet tells Bella that special gifts they were born with are often enhanced by being made a vampire. If they no longer had a soul, I would think that they wouldn't be able to hang on to enhanced compassion, future-seeing, and mind-reading.

Well, I wonder if their eye color is somehow linked to their humanity. I mean, all the vampires drink blood so you would think they would all have one eye color. However, the Cullens drink blood other than human blood. Except the time when Edward had to suck Bella's blood out to remove the vampire venom. Even though he drank her blood to do so, it wasn't something forced or evil, and his eye color appeared to have remained golden instead of turning to red like the human-drinking vampires.

So, the vampires who force and kill humans for blood have red eyes because they are soulless and evil while the good vampires with a soul and salvation have golden eyes. What I'm trying to say is maybe their eye color isn't linked to the blood they drink, but the condition of their humanity and soul.

I think the eye color thing is just an outward manifestation of an inward choice. It's a nice little plot device for everyone to be able to tell the difference!

Actually, I think it comes down to the control and power the "beast" within has over the humanity of the vampire. Once the beast takes over - the eyes are red and wild. I don't think we should look at her vampires as soul vs. sans soul. . .but we should look at them all, knowing they have the capacity for good. It speaks to a broader lesson. Our choices shape who we are and what we are like. It's just more noticeable in a vampire!

Even the "bad" vampires had very small covens. They had a need to be together - mostly for personal gain, I'd gather, the larger their coven was. They chose mates, and didn't take too kindly to their mates being killed, as we've seen as the basis for a lot of conflict in the books.

...and just to change the subject for a moment because I am thoroughly annoyed with living in this stupid country that doesn't support any author that isn't British. After scouring the country, the web and a number of large well known bookstores, I have found out that the Special Editions never have or ever will be on sale in the UK. That includes Eclipse that comes out tomorrow, The next release in this country is the paperback version of Eclipse in late June. I have even done a bit of ringing around at places like Borders and Waterstones to see if they have any plans to hold midnight book launches and they have all said they don't think there will be the call for it. Hello, excuse me, the mere fact that I have called and asked, doesn't that indicate that it's called for. Even one Borders store in Manchester said that despite having a number enquiries about this, they had no plans...pardon?

All I can say is thank goodness I'm going to be in the US when BD comes out. And while I'm there I will track down every SE copy that I can, and hang going over my luggage allowance!

I think I've told you this before Elaine, but you are soo lucky!!! I expect my BD copy to arrive until a week after its release... *sighs* That's what any delivery system takes to get here! Bah...

I found some nice info online for all you Twilight fans out there! *winks*

Entertainment Weekly has an exclusive preview of the first chapter of BD here! It's not the full chapter, but it is something! Share your views! The Special Edition of Eclipse with the first chapter of BD officially comes out tomorrow.

Also, Borders' subscribers got a very nice email yesterday: this image. Does that mean that our desire of having Bella changed will actually come true in BD? I hope so!!!

EDIT: Check out this post from the MTV Movies Blog. It's got some nice pics from the upcoming Twilight Clip that will air this Sunday on the MTV Movie Awards.

Note: Thanks again Taylor!!! (I'll never thank you enough!!! )

I am even more cheesed off now. Summit the production company for the movie of Twilight has announced that it will not be released in the UK until January.

This is getting ridiculous.

Are we not worthy over here of a simultaneous release? Why do we not get special editions of the books? Why is MTV not airing the awards show until 9pm Monday in the UK yet elsewhere in Europe it's live?

It's bad enough that Prince Caspian doesn't get it's premiere here until late June.

The next thing that will happen is Warner Bros will announce that HBP is not being shown in the UK until Christmas...then I really will be up in arms.

I swear, when I go on holiday, I am not coming home!

I'll stow you away here, Elaine, and send you back when the movies, etc, are over.

I'll probably go to a bookstore today to read the first chapter and see the cover art, but I'm not buying another copy of Eclipse. I mean, the only thing that's different is the preview of Breaking Dawn. And I'm getting a little bitter towards writers at the moment, anyways, those who release the same exact thing and get more money because the public is weak! Or those authors who scribble something on a notecard and deem it worthy of thousands at auction. Ahem. Sorry. Ranting.

Anyways, thanks for all the links, Anita! It whets the appetite!

Well, Breaking Dawn has an interesting cover. I'm guessing there must be some significance for the white king and the red pawn. Could it signify the looming battle between the Cullen's and the Venturi? Well, since white stands for good, that should show that the Cullen's will be victorious, not that I had any doubts.

Or, do you think it's just a cover for fun without much significance at all?

Is it a King? Sure it's not a Queen.

I am hopeless at chess but my thinking goes along the lines of the red pawn being representative of Bellas humanity...the blood etc. If the other piece is the king, who is hard and white and can do anything, move anywhere, take any peice he wants, control the game so to speak? Just a thought, but then I'm rubbish at chess...strategies are not my strong point.

I hate "chapter three". I have a head ache. Why does it affect me in exactly the same way every darn time I read it? I know what's coming. I know that he's going to say those immortal words, "Bella, I don't want you to come with me." and "I'll always love you...in a way." Yet, I still can't breathe when he says them. Why is that? I don't need to get in touch with my emotions that much, so why does that chapter get me right there, every time?

You know Janet, it's not so much that I want the books. I have perfectly adequate copies here, but it just annoys me that I can't just go to a bookstore in town and buy them if I want them. It's at times like these that I realise that the Uk really is stuck in the dark ages with some things. Even Russia has the movie on the 11th December. I have just about got myself convinced that they are going to hold some mega European premiere in London and that's why they've delayed it until after all the hoohar has died down in the US. I wish!

So, what are we going to do for 4 months

You know, I was just thinking about that chess piece while I was fixing my PB and J. I do believe it is a queen and not a king. It's been so long since I've played chess that I had a temporary moment of insanity. (Okay, maybe not temporary, but you know what I mean. )

Looking at it from that light, I think both pieces could represent Bella. The queen could be her strength of will and humanity which is dominant, and her vampire instinct for blood represented by the red pawn.

But you know, it was this kind of thing that I always did horribly bad on back in school-trying to figure out another person's visions and meanings. When we had to decipher poetry in school, I never could decipher it to the same meaning as what the teacher was looking for. Seriously, it's the only thing I ever flunked out on. To me, I would think the meaning could be interpreted in many ways depending on the person reading it and their views and personality. Never could get the teacher to see things my way in that respect. Anyway, back on track. The same goes for books and their covers, too, I think, when there are different routes of interpretation you could take.

Nah, it's a Queen. The King is taller and thinner and always has a cross on the crown.

If I remember my chess correctly, the Queen was the most powerful of pieces. It could move or attack in any direction. The pawns were the guys who were sent out first and only succeeded in become something else if they made it to the other side of the board (which they usually didn't). Most of the times they just got sacrificed for the good of the team. But if they did, they could become any piece the player wished, even a queen. Maybe they could only become a piece that had previously been captured, but the take home message is, they didn't stay a lowly pawn.

The cover could just be an artistic statement, like Insomnia suggests where both pieces represent the conflicting natures of Bella.

Some other thoughts. It is a white queen - all powerful. Hard and white like - granite. The red pawn is clearly secondary to it, almost in its shadow. It has nearly disappeared into the shadows. Is the white queen acting as the pawn's defender or is it the [ultimate] evolution of the pawn? Does the red suggest the living aspect of Bella? Something that needs protection while in the game?

The queen is also sitting on a black square whereas the pawn is on a white one. Again, artistic choice or suggestion that the pawn lives in the light where the queen's domain is darkness?

There aren't any other pieces visable. Possibly the end game?

I love trying to figure out meanings of things =]]

Haha I know a little about chess, and hopefully enough to say that yes it is a Queen. And the queen is the most powerful piece, it is the only one that can move in all directions. So it could represent her power.

But I don't think it's anything like that, I think it's more literal. It is a white, marble (pressumably) queen. It's hard, it's cold, it's pale and it's strong. And I think we know enough about Twilight here to know that I'm inferring that it is very much like our beloved vamps. They're also hard, cold, pale and very strong. I think the queen is representing Edward. It could also be what the rest of you are saying about Bella and Vamp Bella and that whole situation. That's also a theory of mine, but there's no point explaining that because so many of you have explained it wonderfully already. Okay so before I go on the Queen is Edward. No matter how gay that sounds...

Okay as for the pawn. It's smaller, weaker, it's red - red in my theory connoting warmth and also blood, what Edward doesn't have. The pawn is in the background, it's still there but it's not as important as the queen. The pawn is Jacob. He's there, but he's not as important, he's smaller (and I'm not talking about size, I'm talking about his strength, abilities and mentality) than Edward, he's a werewolf - we know that they are extremely hot, which is where the warmth of the colour red comes into play, and the blood - well he has that, where as Edward doesn't. (it also represents humanity as well, but I'll go on about that later)

Edward is the Queen and Jacob is the Pawn.
According to my theory, I'm not saying that it's right or anything, It's just something I came up with while thinking about the cover, but according to my theory, this book might be about the struggle Bella has, not only in choosing whether to become a vampire or not. It is so much more than that. By choosing immortality she is ultimately choosing Edward, the queen, and to become like that queen. But by choosing to carry on her mortal life she is then choosing Jacob. She is choosing her humanity. I think this book is more than the struggle to choose between human or vampire, I think it's also choosing between Edward and Jacob.

I apologise for rambling I know this probably wont actually make much sense, but I tried

Kelly
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Yep, definitely a Queen. The queen, certainly the most powerful on the board, is not the only piece that can move in all directions. The King also moves in all directions, but he is limited to one space at a time where the queen can move until she wants to stop. Anyways, there's always the pawn connotation when seeing a, well, pawn. And, yes, whoever said it a couple of posts ago - the Pawn that makes it across the chess board becomes, traditionally, another Queen. It can also become a knight, a bishop, or a rook, but why would you want that? We can't tell from this cover a winning side as there is no king, and there is no piece is laying on its side. Traditional chess pieces are black and white - white makes the first move. Pawns have the most complex movement in chess, and they're the only pieces that cannot move backwards. They're the only pieces that can capture something differently than how they move . . . which is, you know, funky. She always has something red and white on her covers, so the significance has always been there. Innocence vs. corruption? Life vs. Death? Good vs. Evil? Maybe I'll go into color analysis later.

The game of chess itself is very interesting when thinking about the Cullens. Chess really takes it's etiquette very seriously. Very proper and all that. Chess players must be very, and I do mean very, respectful of their opponent. You can't even go to the bathroom without permission from your opponent! Anyways, in a way, it reminds me of the Cullens. Very proper and respectful.

Anyways. My attention was captured by the marble chess board. I like the reflections.

I'll be back to comment on the fun chapter. Maybe.

I also thought that the Queen could be representative of royalty as in the Volturi and the red pawn is Bella and despite the all encompassing power of the Queen/Volturi, there downfall would come from the pawn/Bella.

But chess is not my game but I can't help thinking that strategies come into play somewhere in this.

Allright, i am extremly annoyed right now.

After realising that the Eclipse Special Edition hasn't come out yet in NZ, i am so irritated that i can't read the first chapter. Why can't people just release stuff at the same time? It's not that hard, surely? Is it really fair that America gets everything first?

(All right, not that i have anything against Amercia, but you do get everything first).

But i managed to see the cover, and i have to say it's not what i expected.

The only thing i know about chess and stuff, is that the Queen is the most powerful piece or something. I'm pretty sure that the Queen is representing a Vampire in some way, whether it be Edward, the Volturi or someone else. The Red Pawn ... i'm thinking Bella as a newborn vampire, red with the blood-lust and off to one side, as she's still tentative to her new life as a vampire.

That's my theory, anyway.



Beware, about to turn into ramble!Moon again:

I agree with every single thing you have said. Everyone in Amercian get's Breaking Dawn two days before New Zealand! (which is where i happen to live) What? Isn't NZ important enough or something? Why couldn't it be a worldwide realease like DH was? Twilight certainly has a wide enough fanbse).

Edit: -cough- right, i feel really stupid after my huge ramble up there, but after a little roaming on the internet, i managed to find the first chapter someone had taken pictures of. And i feel really silly now.

I'm more bothered by the fact that movie is delayed a month, and although a lot of countries are advertising a BD release date as 4th August, it does have a worldwide release date of 2nd August, so I'm sure NZ will be the same.

Just a little bit of fun, which character are you? Here you can find out. I turned out to be Bella but wa certain I'd be Rosalie.

...and bizarrly I am Edward in thisone! Talk about gender confusion!

I got Edward on the first one. I have no idea how. I thought my answers were least like him! The second one gave me Edward also, though I tried to answer for Alice. Darn it!

Blame the producers and the publishers! Don't blame Americans in general!

Hey guys! I've only read the first Twilight book so far, but my friend is supossed to bring me the second one tomorrow. I regret that I can't really join in on the conversation, but I will in the future! Anyways, I took those quizzes that etphonehome provided the links to. I got Jasper for the first one and Alice was my second place match. For the second quiz, I got Alice. The thing is, I don't actually know much about Jasper and Alice because the first book doesn't tell you that much about them! Oh well. I'll have read New Moon soon enough.

So I just watched this interview (very short) between kiki (Laura) who is a contest winner I think and Rob Pattinson. Fancy mentioning that the clothes he was wearing were from Twilight. How embarrassing for him...funny though!

I just did them again..the quizzes that is and I came out in the first one as a tie between Edward Esme and Alice and then Alice in the second one, but that wa easier to do!

Moon: you should check out this post of mine. It's got a preview from Entertainment Weekly of the first chapter!

I haven't taken the quizes yet, I'll do so in a little while, but there was this one time that I took a Mozilla quiz, and I got I was Rosalie... Weird...

Well, I can only say that Elaine (from UK) and Moon (from NZ) are luckier than me... Costa Rica isn't very far from the US (we're even on the same continent and it's only a 3 hour flight from here to Miami) and people here haven't even heard of the books. I believe the movie won't even hit theaters, so maybe, the most I'll be catching from it is a DVD as soon as it comes out because of by bookstore's delivery system... *sighs*

It took Harry Potter 3 years to be liked in my country, and the first simultaneous world release was for the OotP book and then for the GoF movie. There is no chance that Twilight will make it here.

I know for a fact that only 3 (maybe 4) other people in my country are fans because of the info that I got from my bookstore, and since there is no info on the Spanish book about it having a sequel, the 11 people that have purchased Twilight in Spanish (Crepúsculo) haven't come back asking for New Moon... Poor people! Think of what they're missing!!!

Well, but enough whining from me! I want to give my POV on the cover!

I believe Laura, EliasOsiris, Elaine and Janet have a very good prognosis on it. My best friend tried several times to teach me how to play chess and never succeeded... I'm a more checkers kind of girl... Sad, but I never was able to handle it. So, here's what I think from a non chess related issue:

I believe it's all about Bella. Just like the ribbon from Eclipse was about her, the BD cover is also about her. The Queen is her as a vampire with all its attributes and the Pawn is the blood lust, that will never go away, will always remain in the back, haunting her in her new life.

Well, I guess it's too simple, but since I really hope she will be changed, just like the Borders poster has those red eyes, I'll go for a Bella-will-be-changed theory (because if not, you'll know what will become of my books...)

EDIT: Just took the quizes: I'm Jasper in the first one (had to go through a tiebreaker question between him and Edward...), and Alice in the other... How odd! Hahaha!

Also on the cover are are the following words.

Don't be afraid," I murmured.
"We belong together."
I was abruptly overwhelmed by the truth of my own words.
This moment was so perfect, so right,
there was no way to doubt it.
His arms wrapped around me,
holding me against him....
It felt like every nerve ending in my body was a live wire.
"Forever," he agreed.

So, what do you think this is all about? Is this Bella speaking to Edward or Bella speaking to Jacob.

If it is Bella and Edward (it better be), then what do you think the scenario is?

I have a couple of ideas.

One is that this is after the wedding and the are about to consumate the relationship. Or the other is they've done that bit already and Edward is about to change her.

I also had this sense of forboding that this was Jacob and Bella. The line 'I was abruptly overwhelmed by the truth of my own words' made me think that at the last minute she realised that it was Jacob she wanted, but no, scrub the thought I'll burn the book if that's the case

So my mind blocked any possibility of it being Jacob... Yes, I'll follow your lead Elaine, if that is the case, so many trees made into books will have an ugly fire-induced death, I think...

I want to believe that those lines are from Bella reassuring Edward right before he changes her, especially because of the last line he says, "Forever." For me, that is very suggestive.

Also, digging deep into the situation (and mostly, trying to reassure myself that it is Edward she's speaking to), the phrase "It felt like every nerve ending in my body was a live wire" makes my mind go back to that time in their Biology class when Bella couldn't pay attention to the movie because of the electric current she was experiencing at the moment.

But Elaine is right, the line "I was abruptly overwhelmed by the truth of my own words" does make me hesitate... *sighs*

Just my thoughts here.

I don't think it's an indication that she might be talking to Jacob. I believe it's Edward. I mean, sometimes the enormity of a situation just suddenly hits you - even when it's something you've come to terms with before. Maybe the "forever" bit wasn't as real to her in the past as it was in that exact moment.

But that's me see, the eternal pessimist hoping for something really optomistic. If I think of the worst scenario I can imagine then I'm not disappointed!

So did anyone watch the MTV movie awards and see the interviews and fight scene?

Yes...go away

No, join the club. In another episode of Britian sucks, we are so lame that we aren't showing the show until 9pm tonight and I doubt we'll get all the Twilight pre-show stuff. I'll just have to watch it all on you-tube. It's only a couple years since Sky stopped airing the US show side by side with MTV UK, I can't see why they stopped. We have like a gazzillion music channels, so one more wouldn't hurt.

OK so I'm off topic and ranting...coffee!

I took the quizzes! I'm Alice in the first and Edward in the last. Though I don't think of myself as Edward at all.

Anyway... those words on the cover. I think (I can't even see the other posibility because I won't) that it's her and Edward. And the first few words Bella says make me think (Don't be afraid). There's three posibilities in my mind. One: It's before she's bitten ans she talks to herself; she shouldn't be afraid because it's right what she does. Everything for Edward. Two: It's the wedding night where they're *ahem*.. and she speaks to Edward. Three: It's at the wedding, and she's still kind of afraid of getting married, but why be afraid really?

Okay even though I don't want to believe it, there could be a forth: Bella and Jacob. I hate to admit it but the same line that has made other hesistating is making me too I can only hope she's said something before this quote which we've not seen. But can I please help you guys burning the book if that's it? (though I'd rather it just was Edward, haha)

So I saw the clip of the film... (it's on mtv right here!) I'm really not sure about it now but it made me jump up and down for ten minutes when I'd first seen it. But now I hope there's something more James 'torturing' Bella before this, as he barely touches her. But I love when Edward comes into the fight and I love the way James talks. Uhh! Can anyone see what it is Bella does to the camera or James in the beginning?

EDIT: Okay I just realised something about the quote and the line that makes us hesitate. What if it's 'just' because Bella finally realises that she and Edward is perfect together. I mean, she already know that they love each other more than most persons can love each other in a normal world, but she's always struggled with the way she looks next to him. She always fells that she's not good enough for him and wondered why he even likes her. What if she finally sees that she is good enough for him?? Okay, maybe a bit out of the whole thing, but isn't there a chance that it's it?

About the scene. There are some changes but on the whole I think it looks great. I mean Bella wa supposed to be half dead by the time Edward came to her rescue, where was all the blood?

There are some nice picture from the golden carpet out there. I particularly like the close up of Rob....he's smouldering...pass a bucket of water, I need to put out the flames...Click!

So the preface thingy on the cover. I have talked myself out of it being any reference to Bella and the dog...sorry I mean Jacob. AAAWOOOOO!

I like this idea



Good one!

Edit: Just as I suspected, none of the pre-show Twilight stuff has been shown on MTV. It was just the awards. Thatnk goodness Cam won an award otherwise I'd have seen no-one. Come on UK, get with the programme.

Edit 2: Johnny Depp was worth seeing though...phwoar! Sorry off topic

Great news from the Twilight-verse!!!

Stephenie Meyer's website was updated with info regarding Midnight Sun!

Midnight Sun was added to the Twilight Series section of the site, with the information that follows,


This is great news! But again, seems like we'll have to wait some more to get Edward's version of Twilight... Another year (hopefully not more than that) wait, until SM finishes writing it and then comes the editing and all that...

I remember there was this one time when I was more excited about Midnight Sun than Breaking Dawn... Edward is such an intense character, and seeing things through his eyes is so different!

Do you guys remember that in one interview, Robert Pattinson said that he got to read a draft of it? Aw! Now I can't wait for this book either! They are so good at manipulating my emotions! I just love these books!

hey you know the BD quote that some one posted here? well do you think it could of been Emily(i think that's her name.) and Sam. they might be in trouble or about to die. or maybe it could be Alice and Jasper. I don't think it would be Emmette(sp) and Rose ( i have no idea how to spell her name right) most likely it is Bella and Edward but we don't really know because we don't have the book.

Jake is a dog. A big cute fluffy dog! that could be Bella's pet. hahaha that would be funny if Jake decided to be bella's dog! but that wouldn't happen... so we might not see him in the next book at all boo-hoo.. i hope SM writes an Eclipse book for Jake and what he did after. i want to know if he found his soul mate.

Midnight Sun! Ya-hoo! i've read the 1st chapter already and it's really good. hey SM has changed to look (not cover) for the BD page. it looks so cool!

Hey does any body think that there will be a new character(s) in BD?

Wow! I have missed WAY too much in this thread. Let's see... I took the quizzes and got Esme on the first and Edward on the second. I guess it was that mind-reading question on the second quiz that got me that rating. Ha ha.

I really need to find the latest edition so I can read the full teaser chapter to Breaking Dawn. It's absolutely driving me crazy! (I know, short trip. )

As for the quote section, I, too, believe it is the scene when Edward is fixing to change Bella. Of course, that one line about being shocked by the truth of her words is a little fishy, but it could just be because of Bella's insecurities that have been shown previously. Might be possible that she has been second guessing her decision to be changed right up until the moment it happens. And it is at that point when she finally realizes it really is what she wants. I think one or two people have already brought this point up, but I just had to share my thoughts, too.

As for the possibility of it being Bella and Jacob...shame on you, Elaine! I can't believe you'd even suggest such a thing!

And as for Midnight Sun, hasn't SM mentioned somewhere on her website that she has already written over half of it already? Hopefully, it won't take long to finish, proof-read, and publish. *fingers crossed*

I do, and I do too love the books! But it's so unfair! Okay, okay, of course we want him to play a parfect Edward, but I want a peek into it too! haha

So after having thought of that quote for some time, I've decided that it can't (must not) be Jacob. I mean, hasn't Bella the whole time wanted Edward? Wasn't we told in Eclipse that it was a smaller part of her that wanted Jacob's arms instead of Edward? And was n'tit Bella herself who said in one of the very first chapters of Twilight that when she had made a decision, she stuck with it? I think this quote is from a point in the book where Bella finally realises that she do belong with Edward no matter how beautiful he is!

Maybe it's just my mind that just won't accept it being other persons than Edward there, so I come up with a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense. But really, who wants it to be Jacob? And would SM be that mean? (I hope not.)

I conclude the quote must be Edward and Bella, simply because SM has said the story is "an epic love story" and it cannot be that without Edward/Bella. Even Romeo and Juliet had Paris as the third in the love triangle, not to mention that was mentioned a time or two in the story itself.

I also took the tests and got Edward first, then Bella. (However, I think the first test for me was completely skewed by my Stephen King created hometown.)

So, no-one in a mind to drool over Robert on thegold carpet? OK, just me then

So,.....so, Midnight Sun, yep can't wait!


Of course its Bella and Edward in the little cover snippet. I was just trying to get a rise out of everyone

I remember watching that interview Anita...I watched again yesterday (pre computer failure). Like there isn't an interview I haven't watched/read.

Well, ok I keep procrastinating about what I wanted to ask because I think everyone will either disagree with me or call me a flake (I said I change my mind about things every re-read). Now, don't get me wrong, I adore Bella, she's such an indecisive bod and such a clutz and doesn't want to hurt anyones feelings...but, in Eclipse she really annoyed me. Not the first time I read it or the 2nd or even the 3rd or 4th, but thsi time urgh! I could stramgle her...I actually thought, you are ao horrible to Edward...I really did! The two times she snuck off to see Jake it was if she was saying, stuff you Edward, I love you but you don't own me. The 1st time when she drove back from La Push and he pulled out of nowhere and followed her but she drove straight to Angela's, I thought...you rotter. She knows that sneaking off is going to upset him so why, if she loves him as much as she is supposed to, does she do it...twice? In fact there were quite a few moments when I thought if you just open your mouth and explain things instead of trying to be brave, you wouldn't be in this mess you silly girl....sorry just a bit frustrated!

I dunno, I just felt like slapping her this read through!

Edit: Actually I do know why she never opened her mouth, because if she did there would be no story...gawd...it's Harry Potter all over again Argh!!

...and my friend saiys she can't get into reading anything since the last HP book, nothing has captured her imagination...what do you think...a candidate in waiting or what ??? lalalala!

Oh no, Elaine, I was just about ready to throttle Bella in Eclipse my first read through. No joke. She made me sooo mad. Edward, sweet doing everything to make her happy, Edward just put up with all her antics. I was furious with her. I got even more mad about the ring, she just didn't seem thrilled over his need to be romantically proposing to her, and it felt like a slap in the face to me (empathizing for Edward).

...and she so readily accepted Jacobs gift. Sorry I don't buy this whole Edward buying her gifts would just put them out of balance rubbish. No wonder he didn't mention the crystal was actually a rather large diamond. Poor chap.

Something Jacob says in Eclipse about how Edwards leaving meant things were open for him to step in a put up a fight for her. But what about Bella fighting for Edward? She just seems to have done everything a little half hearted..grr!

I want an Edward and I want him now...*stamps foot* lol!!

Oh Elaine! I have to agree with you again!

I've only read Eclipse like three times, but every time I re-read it I get this awful feeling that Bella is getting meaner and meaner to Edward!

Yes, the whole escaping from him isn't nice (he's just trying to protect her! Can't she just be grateful?) and then the presents... It can sometimes feel awkward to receive such expensive gifts from a boyfriend, but then she should either take them all from Edward and Jacob or just none at all! Plus, how would Edward feel is Jacob gets more attention than him and he is the boyfriend?!

The thing is, I don't believe there should be a balance. Edward=boyfriend, Jacob=friend. In my small mind there is no place for balance there.

Sometimes I get the feeling that it all happens because of Bella's growth through New Moon. Of course she learned that living without Edward would be awful! But then, some of her actions make me think that she's punishing him in very small subtle ways for leaving her. Like for example, when she cries her heart out because of letting go of Jacob in the end... Edward comforts her and he seemed so sad that even thinks that she should have chosen Jacob over him! (Isn't Edward just adorable?)

The ring issue was a total slap on Edward's face... How rude does Bella get there? (I totally agree with you Dorthy!)

That's why I don't want to re-read Eclipse until I have Breaking Dawn in my hands, and why Twilight is my favorite from the Series. Sometimes I just get the awful self-centered feeling that if I could jump into Bella's body, I could do things better than her! (Don't look at me that way! I know you girls have thought about it too!!!)

the reason why Edward let Bella see Jake was because he still wants her to stay human. He loves her but he thinks that if she changes she will lose her soul. it was very hard for him to say that he would change her himself. Edward thinks if he bits her she will lose her soul.

Bella fighting for Edward? I don't think she would have to do that. Edward would never say no to her. so... I think Bella just might like the attention and even though she is hurting both guys she wants to be with both. She only decides until the last minute when Edward asks her to marry him. Of course she loves him and she will do anything for him but she still has 1 more condition. We all know what it is and i think she is being selfish. She hurts both Jake and Edward.

Bella is being split in two. Her heart is spliting. Jacob or Edward. Of course she chooses Edward. We all would. She acepted Jake's gift because she didn't want to hurt his feelings again. She thought she hurt him enough. He got so mad when he found out she was marrying Edward that he changed into his werewolf form.
I feel bad for Jacob. He looses the girl and he breaks half of his body. Boo-Hoo for him! Jacob you can come and see me! I love you!

I can't believe the clip of Twilight. Robert Pattinson as Edward just makes me happy. I can't wait until December 12... Come on clock move faster!!!

Okay. Wow.

In fact I never saw Bella as mean, though I did think she was mean towards Edward with the ring and proposal thing... But now... Oh dear... Now I have concluded that she in fact is a bit horrible several times in Eclipse. Letting Jacob give her presents, but not Edward. I think it's okay to give one's girlfriend that kind of things. I mean, it's just a present! I think she was a bit - I can't really find a word for it - strange/mean/soemthing else in New Moon, not wanting presents. I mean really!

Though I do think that she should go visit Jacob. Yes, Jacob like her as more than just friends, but they are friends, and you just can't give up on your friends. But maybe talking a bit more to Edward about it would have helped. As we know, Bella is sad when she can't go see jacob, and I truly believe it's Edward fault. (I'm not saying that he shouldn't have left, because then Bella would never have found what it was to live without him). But as Edward sayd himself in the book, he left Bella bleeding, and Jacob was the one to pick her up and stitch her back together. Bella and Jacob is friends, and I think that Edward should have given Bella permission to go there, and because he didn't she did just run away. But maybe she could have called him or Alice telling she was all right. No need to drag out the time.

But, I have to say that Bella did annoy me really much when she made Jacob kiss her. That was unforgiveable. I don't care that jacob tricked her. She should repect Edward and their relationship. I get seriously mad everytime I get to that point in the book, and have now stopped reading it as it makes me want to tears the book over at the middle. Which is not nice! Ih!

I get mad at the part in Eclipse when Jacob tricks Bella into kissing him too. I absolutely hate that part.

So I have a theory about Breaking Dawn about whether Bella will choose Edward or Jacob. I was reading on wikipedia and it says on the Breaking Dawn page that Stephenie Meyer said while she was in Germany that the book was inspired by A Midsummers Night Dream. So I was thinking that Bella could be Demetrius who is in love with Hermia at first (who in this case could be Edward) and then ends up falling in love with Helena and marrying her instead ( in this case Jacob). I really very much despise this one plus the genders are mixed up.

So I came up with a different one in which case both Lysander (Edward) and Demetrius (Jacob) are in love with Hermia (Bella) at first but in the end Hermia ends up with Lysander and Demetrius falls in love with Helena. So maybe Jacob moves on and finds someone else?

I'm really not sure if these work out at all, but I much prefer the one where Bella ends up with Edward. What do you think?

Are we all going to start hating Bella now?

I mean she's only human. Human. We are all like that because we're human. Bella is not perfect and Edward isn't either. I know, I know. I'm crazy. But Edward has his flaws (not in looks) but he's over protective. In all the books he is over protective. Edward has had 90 years to get everything else perfect. He has had time to grow(not really) and he's had time to figure out how to live as a vampire. Bella will have to do that too(if she becomes one) and then she will work out the details. No one can be perfect. Jacob is (as everybody says) immature. But he will grow up to be a different person. I think when he knew he had lost Bella he changed. Now he's more like Sam in the hating the vampires. We all wish he would leave (not me...) but he's a major character. No matter what you guys say he's important. Where did I get from defending Bella to defending Jacob? Oh well!

I hope BD is not like that Myrtle... that would be bad.

SM's website on the BD page. Looks so awesome!
http://www.stepheniemeyer.com/breakingdawn.html


58 days left until Breaking Dawn!!!

Everyday...sometimes 3 or 4 times!...an hour!

This whole Bella/Jacob friends thing. Well she voided that at the end of Eclipse. She admitted she ,loved him but chose Edward and yet still we see her indecision at the beginning of Breaking Dawn. Her not being comfortable to accept gifts from him. I'm sorry but she's known Edward for 2 years and knows he is wealthy and knows that he'll lavish absolutely everything on her as his wife, so why doesn't she just give in gracefully. It's because she sees herself and Jacob more equally. He's not as beautiful as Edward, he hasn't the money and despite what she said about it in NM when Jacob asks her about these things, she still has these doubts about him. Basically, she doesn't really trust Edward not to leave her again. She's hedging her bets, she covering all bases. She wants to pass go and collect the cash, have her cake and eat it. She's selfish.

Yet...I say this and really I do think she does love Edward totally and absolutly. She just shouldn't have let Jacob ...well you know, she's just too soft with him. Surely she now knows from seeing Seth rip a vampire to shreds no trouble that Jake doesn't need her to protect him, and he shouldn't allow her to if he comes back which ofcourse he will.

None of what I'm saying makes sense, I just think Bellas trust is the problem but she won't or hasn't realised it and nor will she until she really belongs to Edward and I don't mean in the biblical sense.

Edit: I said, I like Bella, I just don't how she was with Edward in Eclipse...and I don't hate Jacob, I just don't like how he was with Bella, in Eclispe...yet I like Eclipse...go figure??

Quite honestly? I just don't 'get' Bella and Edward sometimes. I'm not picking on the SHIP, per se, but a lot of it seems superficial to me, especially on Bella's side. Don't be angry at me, please, it's just an observation, so Elaine, I'm glad you brought up your exasperation with Bella, because I have felt it almost the entire time I've read the series!

I can't help but feel that, perhaps to a great degree, Edward & Bella's love for each other is mostly infatuation. I wonder if perhaps they are too much attracted to the mystery of each other, instead of to the reality of each other? Edward's fascination stems, not just from Bella's scent, but from the fact that, unllike anyone else he knows, her mind is unreadable. Bella is attracted to Edward very much in the physical sense, and the vampirism seems glamorous to her. In no place in these first three books have I read any of her thoughts on the fact that she will have to drink the blood of animals once she's turned. She's just like, "Oh, OK, we don't have to drink human blood? Cool! Kiss me again, Edward." It's like she has shut the grisly realities of the vampire existence from her mind in order to concentrate exclusively on being with Edward. She even minimalizes the incredible pain the transformation will make her suffer.

But the thing I like about Bella, as all have said, she is human. I see an endearing (and sometimes, alarming, in her case!) human failing in her in that she seems to think she is one kind of person, when in reality no one else really sees her that way at all! She sees herself as sensible and independent--but does anyone else? Everyone is always arguing with her, disagreeing with her, manipulating her (and she falls for it every time!), and generally doing all they can do to keep her under control! Yet, to herself, she's sensible. I think that we all do that to some degree--think we are one kind of person and refuse to admit to our own shortcomings. As people in my neck of the woods would say, "She's good at blowing smoke up her own backside."

I don't blame Edward for wanting her to wait to be turned. She isn't a very strong person (yet!), even though she thinks she is. She tries too hard to please, trying to keep Edward happy, Jacob happy, her Dad happy, etc. That's what tears her apart, and it's also what I feel makes her too weak to be a good vampire. I think she's got a very rude awakening coming in book four!

P.S. Has anyone ever said anything about how Isabella Swan of Twilight and Elizabeth Swan of PotC have the same name? Isabella is the Spanish version of Elizabeth, isn't it? I just thought that was strange...

It was mentioned by a member of staff who isn't in the know and I hadn't though of it before. OK so here's for some random foreshadowing from OTC and Twilight...Elizabeth Swan married William Turner....Bella Swan...Will Turn.....! OK so really bad, but I am liking the association with the Turner name here

When you put it like that (your take on Edward/Bella) there relationship does appear to be rather shallow and based on something quite unsubstantial. But then when you consider that Edward has been around for 110 years and never has he once had this feeling for anyone, not even the Denali chicks, you have to wonder if, for him at least, it's a more deep rooted thing.

Yeah. Bella annoyed me in New Moon. She annoyed me in Breaking Dawn. And Darcy put all the reasons why she did so wonderfully that I don't have to repeat them!

I totally agree with their deep love appearing more like infatuation, as well. I mean, once we get down to the reasons she loves him totally - what do we have? She doesn't love the way he's trying to protect her. She doesn't love the way he's trying to take care of her. She doesn't love the way he's trying to look out for her human interests. . .She loves his vampirism and his beauty. Which - thought I guess isn't fleeting because he'll never fade - is a weak basis for undying, eternal love. I'm sure there's more that she does love about him, but it seems we never get past the superficial things that drive her up the wall.

I can more easily see why Edward is attracted to her. She's different. She's enticing on the scent level. She unwittingly, through the scent problem, made him stronger. She's endearing in her quirks. She's in need of a protector. She's compassionate. She's sacrificial to those she loves (aside from Edward, it seems. Grr).

I think Stephanie tries to trick us into believing that it's not all about looks and infatuation because she takes such time explaining that Bella is not ugly but not beautiful. If she's not beautiful, then there must be something more. I, personally, don't buy it because I never thought he was infatuated with her looks!

Anyways.

Oh, and I would be nervous about accepting Edward's tank gift as well! Sheesh! Talk about a present to turn heads!

To be honest I'm not followig you all. Yes, we get told all the time that Edward looks like a Greek God and that's he's more beautiful than an angel.

But to me it seems much deeper. If this relationship was 'shallow and fake' I'm sure bella would have gotten over it when Edward left, but no! It tore her apart and she was a zombie for five months! To me that seems as if it's love, not just liking one person for his/her look and the danger and mystery of the relationship. And I believe that its love for people that makes them beautiful. Bella is to Edward beautiful because he loves her. He doesn't love her because she's beautiful. Yes, the first thing we did hear about Edward (and the rest of the Cullens for the matter) was how beautiful they were. But when first Bella started talking to Edward, she realised that there was so much more to him.

And no, she is not thinking of the pain of the transformation, but why worry really? She does it because she can spend eternity with Edward. I'm pretty sure it's not a thing you do for someone you just like the looks of. And shouldn't both Bella and Edward know the difference between simple attraction and love?

So, yes, I do believe that they love each other and its not just the mystery of the relationship that makes it running.