Okay...following a lot of consideration and discussion after a suggestion made the other day, I've decided to open a thread to discuss the theory posted on the main VTM site that Pettigrew may be the HBP. It is, I have to agree, one of the best and most convincing arguments I've heard and evidently quite a lot of people out there think so too because it caused quite a stir during the organised HP Discussion that was held on VTM on the 30/12/2004. The link to the article is here and from there is another link where you can download the whole chat.

I want to make it clear though that this is a one-time only exception to the rule. All other HBP related discussions should take place in the pinned, official HBP thread in this forum. The only reason the rule is being bent slightly in this case is because there are many aspects to this particular theory that people seem to want to discuss and there is the problem that if the conversation gets too heavily into Pettigrew over in the other thread, then it's going to prevent people making other suggestions and both arguments are going to get lost in the tide.

Therefore, it was decided that, as this theory seems to warrant further discussions, a new thread would be created to separate out the arguments and make them a little easier for people to navigate.

Okay then...so.....who'd like to start?

After reading the Pettigrew as Half-blood Prince Theory, I actually support it and switched from Godric Gryffindor. The big question is so what? Because Peter, although not inept (he can do Avada Kedavra and is an animagus) I still think he doesn't have enough courage to do anything helpful for Harry despite his Life debt (See cemetery scene at the end of Goblet). I mean what good is a life debt when the indebted individual doesn['t help in our greatest hour of need?

With that in mind, I'm inclined to believe, and this is totally out of leftfield, that PEter being the prince will emotionally empower him so that he can now be useful to Harry. I'm not sure how but I'm very excited.


P.S. I know my theory is very vague and kind of sucky, but I want to contribute and I don't know what else to say.

I think it is too much of a coincidence that JK chose all of these names to use in these stories, to have them not be related somehow. L'estrange,Lestrange, Cruikshank, crookshanks, The Peterloo massacre, and so on.
JK is a brilliant author that leaves no stone unturned.

Peter Pettigrew is the most obvious choice at this point.

Well, having started this discussion, I guess I'd better stick my nose in too, huh?

It is a pretty good theory, yeah, but if it was only based on the coincidental similarity between Cruickshanks (the proper way it's spelled in Britain, BTW...where a lot of people have that surname - JKR changed it for Hermione's cat/kneazle/whatever) and the Peterloo massacre etc, then I'm not sure I'd be quite as for it as I am, but I think the highly conspicuous absence of Peter from OotP is a pretty big hint in itself too.

I'm having a little trouble linking it to the hint that JKR gave about CoS and HBP being somewhat related though.

What do you reckon to the possibility that maybe Peter was placed in Gryffindor not only because he might have some as-yet untapped well of hidden bravery and courage within him, but also because he's related in someway to Godric Gryffindor?

The thing is that I'm not really sure that Harry is related to GG, as a lot of people think. Personally, I think there are quite a lot of hints in the book that Harry is actually related to Salazar Slytherin, as I said in one of the threads yesterday.

Maybe the HBP isn't a goody after all...if Peter and Harry have to fight at the end of HBP, then would that make him like the sub-boss before the main boss (obviously Voldemort) in book 7?

I dunno....I'm in uni waiting for a lecture to start so my mind is wandering a bit... Although, on second thoughts, it could be a mild hangover from that half a bottle of red wine I drank last night....

I think that Peter it the HBP, but I'm not sure if I want him to be Following the theory, its hard to say that hes not it...I guess we'll have to wait and see!

wow, I've never thought of Peter as the HBP, but when you rhink of it, it seems pretty obvius. I mean we don't know if he's a halfblood, for all we know he could be, but the HBP could be a fullblood or a he could have non-magical parents, My theroy after reading the article is, Peter Pettigrew. the connection between him and Harry could have something to do with. he's on Voldemort's side because he betrayed The Potters, so his old friends have no mercy with him, but Harry saved him so, now he have to save Hary or somehting. does this make any sence?

Dana said

wow! this comes as a suprise the theory of peter pettigrew being the half blood prince. but iam not sure if he even is half blood jkr never really though to mention that in the books so there are some chances and there not. well if he is the half blood prince i really hope that he is not though.

Dana, good point about Peter's suspicious abscence from Order, but the question is if Peter is the Half-Blood Prince wouldn't he have been such a more powerful wizard. I think that Peter is the half-blood prince but I have no idea what he will do. I also think that may be he will battle the Lestranges at some point (based on the historical evidence). But even if Peter is the half-blood Prince, we still are just futilely spinning our wheels because we don't have enough evidence to know what signifigance being the Half Blood Prince has or how it will affect Harry.

We also don't know role Peter (or the Half-Blood Prince) has left to play. IF you have any ideas please tell me. I think Peter will save Harry (blood debt and being in Gryfindor) and I think he will :tear: kill Lupin (Silver Hand).

That's it from me.

Seeya

its a possibility that i now suppot!

it might be him i don't know

After reviewing the evidence from the link, it seems that the evidence does point to Peter being the HBP. However, JKR stated that Book 6 had alot to do with what Harry discovered in CoS. What did Harry discover that we could concretely or even circumstantially(sorry I work in a prison--common term for evidence) connect to Peter being the elusive HBP?

wow, i would have never thought about Peter as the HBP, but maybe. i mean we dont know much about his family do we? he could come from a family related to Godric, too. I mean like dumbledore said, standing up to your friends is harder than standing up to your enemies-and Peter did just that.

Dana said:

I don't think PP is HBP, partly because my brain keeps reminding me of the link with CoS (which of course PP was absent from) and partly because... well, I just don't see it right now. (Watch JKR blow me out the water and make it him now! LOL)

Is it a Prince that is a half-blood or a Prince of half-bloods? If it is the former one may technically assume that he may have no magical ability whatseover, making it theoretically anyone? The latter and it would be someone far more powerful than Pettigrew.

Thought for food I think. Or something like that.

NO. It's not gonna happen. Pettigrew will be in HBP and might even die, but he will not be the Half-Blood Prince. I just gotta a hunch and he just doesn't fit it. I could be completely wrong though

Yeah, Darth, I know. That was a pretty old post you were quoting there. All I can say is that it seemed like a pretty good idea at the time.

I'm currently back with GG anyway, but that's off topic so I'll just shut up now.

Pettigrew??? As the HBP??? don't think so...
My theory is... (excuse mu bad english, but i'm a french girl ^^)... that the half blood prince is Godric Gryiffindor.... because you know what about the chamber, and the thing Harry discovered in the cahmber... what has he discovered???... a sword... of GODRIC GRYFFINDOR!!...
... and... the fact that Godric ever fight the will of Salazar to have a "pure-blood"scholl???...
... and... I don't rebember my other argument, but there is TOO MUCH facts...

... and that's strange, because no one think like me, that the HBP is godric... maybe because he is dead...

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Well this thread is essentially for members who want to discuss the possibility of Pettigrew as the HBP. Since you're not one of them, why not head on over to this thread where other "HBP candidates" are being debated about? You'll find that there are quite a few that think like you, about Godric Gryffindor being the HBP...

Is Pettigrew Half-Blood? I think he's pure blood. Where Rowling had said Pettigrew is half-blood? You-Know-how hate half-blood witzard... And Pettigrew is his servant. I can't believe Pettigrew is Half-Blood Price. I think his Lupin. ^^ (Sorry, my 'very good' english, but i'm finnish girl. )

Wormtail is the HBP? I don't think so. JK Rowling never includes ancient history in her books, just to create the names of the personages. Peter Pettigrew is not half-blood. I think the HBP is a new character. I don't know why.

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I think it is unlikely that Peter is the HBP. He is to wimpy
and is not a leader. In book 5 it shows how he used to follow Sirius,
James, and Lupin. Also I think a more logical HBP is Hagrid. Hagrid's
past was revealed in book 2 and in book 5 and was originally believed to be the Heir of Slytherin.




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I also think its Peter...even though you think its impossible he is 1 of the top 5 person who runs for the Half blood Prince in some people's list...

why:

Well, there is this topic named 'Lily isn't a muggle born' if she isn't a muggle born that will make harry a pureblood and Harry saved Peter's life in the book 3..Dumbledore said there will be a life's dept at Peter to harry...

but i don't know...

I'm not the author...

Yes, he certainly is...popular as a possibility for the HBP, that is.

I wonder if people have actually read the theory sometimes when they post here. He is so casually disregarded as a possibility by people saying he's a wimp or not a half blood anyway (we don't know that incidentally.....I'm fairly sure that we don't know what Pettigrew's lineage is...I think people assume he's a pure blood because he's a DE, but we all know that LV chooses people on merits other than blood status. He'll use whoever can do the most for him). It's to do the theory overall, and the people who came up with it, a great disservice.

This thread was started because so many people believe the theory, after all.

There is no indication Peter Petrigrew to be HBP. He is the least of the Marauders and the cowardest. HBP may be Salazar Slytherin.

I agree in saying that Peter Pettigrew is not the HBP. He will repay his debt to Harry, but seeing as that he is still with Voldemort at the moment, and seems to cowardly to be a prince, I highly doubt that Pettigrew is anything more than a mediocre henchman. Also, I may be blinded because I see the HBP as a benevolent person, but I just cannot see Peter or Salazar Slytherin as the HBP (I also doubt that the HBP is anyone from the past i.e Godric Gryffindor, but rather from the present)

I don't think Wormtail is the half-blood prince. It just seems too easy. J.K. Rowling wouldn't have that happen. She would choose a character that no one ever thinks about.

Too True, she surprises you and makes you go, "why didn't i think of that?!" That's what I like, she isn't clichéd. So that rules out pettigrew.

peter pettigrew......hbp????
no way!
very impossible!
but we can't really say exactly what's in the book!
maybe......
but not a good idea at all!

i hate the guy! [no surprises] just look at my name lol grrrr

Although there are lots of reasons he might be the HBP I'm not convinced. The name Pettigrew isn't exactly a 'muggle' name so its less likely he's a half-blood. Also I don't think he'd be a Death Eater if he was as we all know their attitude towards half-bloods.

Knowing JKR the HBP is probably the ACTUAL BOOK you're reading which is the HBP but I don't think they'll make a thread for that.

Pettigrew? HBP? I don't think so. I don't know as Pettigrew a Half-blood. I think the HBP will be a new character. But it might be Lupin. Only Rowling know who is HBP.

wow i never thought of wormtail as the half-blood prince(hbp) good thinking.

Its a good idea. And tell you what, if you can explain how Petey can be a prince, I'll believe it. As far as me, I sway towards other people being the HBP. i'm glad people are open to other ideas though.

Pettigrew is a follower and always will be. And a prince has to be a leader. So its impossible for him to be the HBP.



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Nice poem btw..

pettigrew couldn't be the HBP: he owns something to Harry Potter and a prince would be more 'majestic'

He is little and he is an old character.. I always think that it has to be a new character.. maybe HP5 but not earlier.


PP could not be the HBP cos he is not a 'halfbreed'.. although maybe -half- can be person/animal ....

man.. i think i just wait till 16 july

RJ

some of you say that Pettigrew can't be the HBP because he would have been braver and more powerful. But how do we know that the HBP is powerful and brave. For all we know, he could be the scardest, most weakest person in the whole series. The HBP is probably someone of great importance, someone who has knowledge or something. Someone, probably like Beertha Jonkins, who had information for Voldermort, vital information. Mabye this time Dumbledore knows someone who has information, and is coincidentaly a prince, and is trying to protect him. I don't know what the HBP is, but all im trying to say is that it doesn't have to be a brave or powerful person.

I partly agree with django. Just because he is a prince doesn't mean that he has virtuous qualities. There have been many evil rulers, and I'm sure a good portion of them were princes. I also wanna agree with one of the original moderator comments, which is where I am stumped. The lack of Pettigrew's presence in OotP is suspicious, but we also have to stop to consider if the connection between CoS and HBP has something to do with the actual Half Blood Prince. If it does, Pettigrew's chances are slim.

The simliarities between the researched history and Pettigrew are what sold me to this theory. I think he's my number one pick.

I also wanna comment on Dawlish's comment earlier on this page. Death Eaters may hate Half Bloods, but we have to realize that their leader is a half blood also.

Honestly, just like the rest of you I can't say anything but what I believe. And I believe that Peter can't be the HBP.

Mainly it just doesn't seem like Voldermort to keep someone that close to him that may possibly have a title that rivals the Dark Lord. Voldemort is smart to rule by fear and won't let someone think they have an edge especially because or a 'title'

It seems obvious to me that the HBP is someone that we have never met/heard of. And the reason for my thinking is the title of the book alone.

So far, in every book, the title has introduced something new to us.
SS - we have heard of anything let alone the stone
CoS - none of the students knew about the chamber and the we as the readers followed suit
PoA - we barely even knew about azkaban prison let alone its most famous prisoner
GoF - goblet of fire..? triwizard tournament...? hasn't been done in over 100 years...?
OOP - we were introduced to the order as well as the people in it

And I believe...
HBP - the one whom the book is named after will make his/her apperance as a new character





PS. sorry if i seem a little repititive...i just needed to get my point across

I don't think poor ol' Nimbus '05 "flawed" anything. He did use the key word "barely" in connection with our knowledge about Azkaban. And right he was. I think the prison was only mentioned once before the 3rd book. We knew of Sirius, but very, very vaguely. If we know of some important person/place/event in HBP as vaguely as we knew of Sirius, I think it's safe to say we can consider this unknown factor of the book, well, completely unknown. However, I think that veers from the point of this thread, which is Pettigrew as HBP. Even though I think there's a good chance that the HBP could indeed be someone we already know, I guess my post ends up supporting Nimbus '05's theory that this the Half Blood Prince which is introduced into the 6th book is not Pettigrew but is indeed a new Character "X".

i totally agree with that the half blood prince is a new character. Although i am just gonna lie to myself and say its someone we know to keep my self guessing until the book comes out.

Only about PP..

How could peter be the HBP..


He wasnt in the Chamber of Secrets.. and nothing about him was revealed in CoS.

RJ

edit: Oh no... who said that the HBP was the link between Cos and the HBP

I highly doubt that he is the HBP. But then again, anything can happen!

yeah: anything can happen

we have to wait but maybe JKR will give some information just for the release on her site.. that would be great!

Peter Pettigrew could be the HBP.. after reading the whole prince george thing and about peterloo massacre i doubted for a second. It would be a nice surprice just because PP isn't in the 5th book. And PP owns still something to harry. but thats just why i think that he has a bigger part in the 7 TH book! Somebody will have to help harry to kill lord Voldemort... and 'cos Dumbledore dies in the 6th (i think.. dont atack me about this) he has to have some help...

Still hoping it is a new character... Always a great thing if JKR introduces a new character! if it isn't, hagrid would be nice

RJ

I think that JKR said that she wanted to call the second book "Half Blood Prince" either, I'm not sure thoguh , but if I'm right then Petigerw can't be the HBP, right?

there is no way pettigrew is anything important. He's a betrayer and nothing more. In school he was a nobody, and in book six he will still be a nobody. end of discussion.

Is Pettigrew the HBP? In my opinion, there's almost no chance of it.

HOWEVER, that isn't to say good ol' Wormtail won't be playing an important role. JKR said that this book is going to include more history, and that might include Voldemort's rise to power. It's only vaguely referred to in GoF, the hows and whys of Voldie's existence as the greatest Dark wizard ever. This may also explain the reasons behind Wormtail's betrayal of the Potters. I also think that Peter's debt to Harry, held over from PoA, will play a major role.

But as I said, from all of the characterizations and insights into his personality, I seriously doubt that Wormtail could be in such a capacity to be a character as important as the HBP. Unlike the role characters like Sirius Black played in earlier books, where they were considered bit parts, we've already seen Wormtail in a major capacity, namely in PoA as well as GoF.

Of course JKR could completely blow my theories out of the water. But I don't mind .