i watched the second movie again the other night and discovered something. at the very end, when malfoy sets dobby free because of harry's sock, he runs toward harry ready to cast a spell. i don't think it occured to me to figure out which spell, cause dobby throws malfoy back before we get to hear, but this time i was pretty sure i heard malfoy whisper/hiss the beginning of the avada kedavra curse. i heard "avada" before dobby threw him back. this puzzled me because we don't learn about the killing curse until book 4 and it doesn't mention the curse malfoy tries to use in the actual c.o.s. book. and if he didn't say "avada," what did he say? what do you guys think?

I definitely think he was starting to say "Avada Kedavra" as well. The first time I noticed this, I thought "wow, Lucius is getting a little violent here!" I mean, Harry only freed his house-elf! Probably not enough to warrant murder, in my opinion, but I guess that Death Eaters who already hate The Boy Who Lived anyway might think a little differently... If Malfoy really was trying to kill Harry, it doesn't hold with the "Chamber of Secrets" book... I'm not sure how much it bothers you when the script doesn't exactly replicate the book... some people (like me) go crazy about small changes like that, but this difference probably wasn't that big a deal. I suppose it may have been something that was added to the script after the "Goblet of Fire" book was released, or maybe some improvisation on the part of the actor. Some of the greatest lines in the "Chamber of Secrets" movie were improvised -- like when Malfoy says to Goyle "I didn't know you could read" during the Polyjuice Potion scene, and when Harry says "don't worry, I will be" after Lucius expresses his hope that "Mr. Potter will always be around to save the day."

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I am almost sure that he does say "Avada". In my opinion, is a violent reaction because he already hates Harry for being The Boy Who Live. It may be one of those ideas that have been introduecd in movies and aren´t in the books, and as does changes have been allowed by JK(I think I reda something abouit that some time ago), it may even have been her idea.

Ooh, yeah!! I noticed that too!!! Not at first...not in the cinema, because I was a pretty new fan then and I hadn't read the books, but after I read GoF and watched CoS again, it occured to me that AK was exactly what Lucius was about to do!! Can you imagine the repurcussions if he had done that!!

I suppose it could be looked on as a bit of an overreaction on Lucius' part, but then again, maybe not....someone as arrogant as Lucius would not appreciate being outsmarted by a kid...and not just any kid either, but Harry Potter.......

Dobby actually did him a favour there by stopping him...he would never have gotten away with using an Unforgivable in Hogwarts, right beneath Dumbledore's nose, regardless of whether he had actually managed to hit Harry with it or not. Puts a sightly different spin on it, eh?

I always said those house elves were dodgy....

Heh... so you guys noticed too, eh? And I thought I was imagining things...

Did you notice what else behind it?

CoS the movie came out in November 2002, GoF was launched somewhere in the middle of 2003 (summer, I think, right?). So, it's either Steve Kloves accidently put that spell in the script that sounds almost like AK or Jason Isaac, unknowingly make it sounds like AK curse (did you notice the murderous way he pronouced that word? Like hissing out the word... **shudders**) or... JKR put the word in the script herself. I was thinking the last one is more plausible than the previous two. Why? Well......

She finished writing CoS in what... 1998? And the film was made in 2002, right? I know that she said she has already had a clear picture on what to write in every next book. But what if she only thought about SPEW after CoS the book was out. What if there really will be a house-elves revolution? Or house-elves playing an important role in the book? Maybe allying with the Orders? What if Lucius knew how Dobby was, or how dangerous it is to have a free house-elves lying about? Or a free Dobby for that matter, cause we saw how depressed Winky was when she was freed... so, very unlike Dobby. Which is why Lucius was beyond mad when loosing him, enough for him to risk Azkaban by using the Unforgivable Curse on Harry and yes, like Dana said, regardless it hit him or not. I mean, how bad can it be? Lucius was a very rich wizard, how can loosing a servant affect him so much? Surely he can manage to replace him...

I've looked into CoS (the book) and it didn't state whether Lucius was muttering a curse or not, so I was thinking maybe JKR haven't figured out how the spell should sound like. Not until she was writing GoF. So, maybe... she insert that bit into the script as foreshadowing? That freeing Dobby is more serious than it seems to be, that's enough for Lucius to even use the AK on Harry....

I'm just playing with ideas... let me know what you think...

hey guys, i bought a book today called "a muggle's guide to the wizarding world" and there's a part in it that compares the books to the films, and in the part about the second book and film, one of the things listed is this:
"in the film, lucius malfoy begins to use avada kedavra on harry after dobby is freed, until dobby magically stops him. in the book, he merely "lunges" at harry, and no spells are cast..." so congrats to all of us for noticing that one

wow. I've never noticed that one bevore. well, I've only seen CoC 2 times, but I will buy right now and watch it. but I can't remeber from the book that Lucius was trying to cast a spell before Dobby stoped him magicly and threw him down the stairs.

Man I'm gonna buy that movie right now!

I had noticed this for a long time. I`m italian and i saw the movie both in italian and english.

If you see it in italian you can hear him really well saying "Avada".

I have put the subtitles on to see if it would show something but it hasnt. Would he of killed harry then? seems a but of a silly thing to do in the school and all that!! Hmm very silly

he sounded pretty hiss-like could Malfoy be a parselmouth??

Just another perfect example of how Harry is invincible and cannot die. Unless Voldemort's around close by. Hey if I was him i'd feel slightly godly, knowing although I may get hurt, nothing worse can happen.

he deffinatlly go aavvaaddaa! and dobby goesyou will not hurt harry potter but its not in the book so it doesent meen anything

I also noticed that it's Avada. But before, it was nothing for me. I actually thought it's Abra, because I haven't read the books then when I read the fourth book and watch the film again, I know it's Avada.

Lucius Malfoy couldn't resists killing Harry alone, huh?

I think its a big act so that no-one suspects him.
I don't think he would really harm Harry cos I have a theory that Lucius is actually on Dumbledores side and is trying to keep Harry safe, for example he knew that Dobby would stop him so it didnt matter if he started muttering the unforgivable curse under his breath cos Dobby would stop him.
The only people who know hes actually a good dude is Dumbledore and himself, so i dont think he was ever intending to kill Harry.

i noticed that too, but i had to watch the movie a bunch of times, they probably put it in there for people who heard it to relise that luciouse was truly evil, i know i know, we already new that but i think it was just making the point even stronger.

I heard/saw that the first time I saw the movie. I don't think Malfoy was pretending because he was really good. I think he is evil and in the movie was intending to kill Harry. Well a little silly.

I've never noticed this. Was he really trying to use an Unforgivable curse on Harry? Ah well I guess that just adds to the fact that he's a totally evil guy. Thank God his son's turning out a little different. (Can't say too much without Spoilers)

I have always thought that he was just running at him to stab him with the blade, similar to lunging at him in the book, which very well may be true. I didn't think that he was saying a spell, just words that may of been out of frustration or anger. Just my opinion.

I bought it yesterday(ive only watched it twice before.... ) and i thought i heard it wrong. In the Hungarian translation its clearly "Avada". Was it the scriptwriter's idea?
Its a bit weird because i really doubt the Lucius colud have done it. I mean he obviously hates Harry who has just set Malfoy's slave free but he can control his feelings he knows when he has to stop himself. He is a DE and he cannot afford to be revealed....he is working at the Ministry and he still believes that Voldemort is dead. His DE mates wouldnt have saved his life if the Ministy had arrested him.

Wow, guys, thanks so much for bringing this up! I'd completely forgotten about that part up til now! I couldn't believe Lucius attempted the Avada Kedavra- was he off his rocker? Things would definitely have gotten ugly for him. But, yeah...I can't believe I'd forgotten about that, as it's really important! A bit of foreshadowing, perhaps?

I noticed that too... I Think that they didn't need to put this in the movie... never that Lucius would kill Harry in Hogwarts! Just if he was TOO MUCH stupid!

Hi everyone.....I believe that JKR has written these books so that people will read them over and over and over. She drops subtle hints, and little bits, that we may miss the first time around, or even the second, but as each book comes out, she refers back to something previously. In every book and every movie, I have found bits where I go...hey wait a minute, that was mentioned 3 books ago. Or ...that was in the first movie. So therefore we will keep reading and watching to catch the bits we missed. Genius!! Thats what makes the books and movies so good...it's like a never ending story. When book 7 comes out, we are all gonna have to start all over again...and again...and agian. I'm getting ready to re-read book 4, 5 & 6.

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I think it was part of Malfoy's instinct - being a Death Eater in extreme anger, the only words he remembered were "Avada Kedavra"

But that leads to another question, since Avada Kedavra can't be negated, how did Dobby do this? Which means the movie writers screwed up.

I noticed this too just a month ago and was going to post about it, but I figured by now somebody else must have since the movie is so old!

Malfoy didn't get to complete the spell Forgotten Prophecy, so there is no problem with Dobby stoping it.

Obviously Malfoy was pushed over the edge by Harry releasing Dobby. His whole plan had been stopped by Harry and then Harry hurt him personally as well. He have just been well and truly defeated by a child who he already despised, so his anger got the better of him and let rip with the AK.

Very clever of JKR to have it in there.

Aagh! While I was writing this VTM went down!

I don't think that Lucius Malfoy threw an Unforgivable Curse against Harry in the book, let alone the AK ... I'd have to check it later but I'm fairly sure ... however, I think the scene as played in the film was just one of those wonderful moments that were exactly right. Everything about it is in character. It's as you say, bajab, Lucius is outraged, he loses his cool and shows his true colours for a moment.

It also enhances the liberation of Dobby from his bondage to the Malfoys. The story of the house elves is important. They have a powerful magic of their own but are slaves. Most of them don't want freedom and are insulted when it is suggested to them, and lost when they are released. Jo Rowling gives us three examples in Dobby (unhappy in servitude and disloyal because he hates serving Dark wizards), Winky (happy and loyal to the Crouch family even after her dismissal), and Kreacher (so loyal to his dead Mistress that Sirius's different ways leads him to treachery).
In freeing Dobby, Harry has created a powerful ally and someone who might help undo a terrible wrong of the past. But Dobby is very much ahead of his time and so is Hermione with S.P.E.W. Elf emancipation may be too difficult to bring about in the short time remaining in the series, but I still think it is a mistake for the filmmakers to cut out Winky and S.P.E.W. because it will undoubtedly play a role in book 7. Book 7 will address the importance of unity between people that are different, creatures that are different, school Houses that are different, bloodlines that are different. All have to make choices between what is right and what is easy.

Getting back to Lucius, I love every second he is on the screen. The air. The haughtiness. The way he dismissed Draco in Flourish & Blotts. His confrontations with Arthur. The sly slipperiness. The excuisite detail given to his costume. The wand. Oh, and let's not forget the Hair. Lusciously flowing or tied with that cute fashionable ribbon for which you need a dedicated house elf because it's impossible to do yourself.

... now I have to urgently watch that Hair clip again ... lol.

But, Was Malfoy really wanted to do that ? Did he wants to kill Harry ?Or was just because he was angry and said that ?

well the movies are a bit different from the books. they have changed a few parts in the movie. i didn't hear it but it's still confusing. the movies are a bit apart from the books. i guess the director just thought it'd be ok to put the avada kedavara curse in the movie but he shouldn't have.

well the movies are a bit different from the books. they have changed a few parts in the movie. i didn't hear it but it's still confusing. the movies are a bit apart from the books. i guess the director just thought it'd be ok to put the avada kedavara curse in the movie but he shouldn't have.

yeah I noticed that too. it was very scary but dementedly funny too. I'm a freak I know but it was just dumb. it was cool though ... like Lucius looks preeetty insane.

to be very honest when i saw the film first time this scene is cut in our DVD,but than i bought a new one and i saw this seen,he really wnna something dangerous with Harry

yeah that is try you don't know what he was going to do. what if he did plan on killing harry. that would suck and Lucius would have been yelled at of killed by Voldemort because Voldemort said he wants to do it. not Wormtail or nay of the other death eaters but thank goodness for Dobby.

I believe that this scene, in both book and movie -- and I agree that it's even more obvious there -- is at a very basic level a symbolic reenactment of the night Voldemort tried to kill the infant Harry. Lucius Malfoy represents his master Voldemort, while Dobby -- and I'm lighting a powderkeg here, so please stand back -- represents the mysterious entity who saved Harry from death that night and whose true identity will probably knock everyone's socks off when it is finally revealed at the climax of Book 7.

If anyone would like to venture a guess as to who this could possibly be, consider what we know about Dobby very carefully. Does his personality, appearance, etc., remind anyone of another character in this series?

Funny, I just watched Chamber of Secrets today, actually. This was the first time, however, that I noticed that Lucius started to say Avada Kedavra.

I was a little confused. Why would he attempt to kill Harry in the middle of a corridor at Hogwarts? Under the nose of Albus Dumbledore, and without a doubt being sent to Azkaban. I don't recall if it happens in the book, but, it just seems really strange. I think at that time Lucius thought Voldemort to be dead, and Voldemort always gives orders to save Harry for himself to kill, it seems. So he had no problem finishing Harry off and not leaving him for Voldemort to kill.

But, if he didn't presume him dead, I have no idea what he was thinking.

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But Malfoy did presume Riddle dead; that's why he gave the diary to Ginny, wasn't it? He was getting rid of anything that linked him to Riddle because the Ministry was doing "all those extra raids" that he was getting on Arthur Weasley about. He knew that Riddle had given him the diary for safekeeping but he discarded it because he knew Riddle wasn't coming back for it. That's one of the main reasons that Riddle was so mad at Malfoy when he returned. The diary, a prized possession (not to mention, a horcrux) of Riddle's, was placed in the care of Malfoy who in turn gave it away at the earliest possible convenience. This ultimately led to the item's destruction and made Malfoy a target of Riddle's ire upon his return.

Anyway, as far as the topic goes, the very first time I saw CoS after seeing GoF I knew that it was the AK curse that Malfoy had tried to use. And why not? Dobby knew things about the Malfoys that would put them in Azkaban for life. What's one more Unforgivable? The reason why it was put in the movie and not the book? Well, sometimes the best ideas occur to some one a little bit too late. I think this may have been JKR's way of saying "If I could write that scene over again, I think it actually would have gone a little bit more like this..."

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I've watched it over and over again and at the end Lucius Malfoy was definately going to kill Harry, but why would you put that because he would have been caught. It's such a foolish thing to do right in the middle of a school corridor. Anyway do you think it would have worked? The Prophecy states that neither can live while the other survives and that one of them, Harry and Voldie that is, has got to finish the other in the end. So if Dobby hadn't stopped the curse, would it have actually killed him?

I think that was the stupidest thing that ever came up in the HP films. I mean Chris Colombus and the producers should have known that this would be a huge bloomer, all HP fans would go mad straight away... It actually made me really angry.

It's just about not paying attention to significant things in the book, for example the Avada Kedavra being the killing curse... I bet they wanted to make the scene more interesting, but come on...a Bat Bogey Hex would have done perfectly well It's the same with Ron and Hermione repeating Voldemort's name over and over again in the first film, whereas Ron still can't say it in the 6th book...

yer i didnt see the untill i saw it the second time he does clearly say avada i wonder y they did that????? good old dobby lol !!!!

i notices that like the 2nd time i watched it. no one else seemed to notice the significant fact the lucius could have actually killed harry. the most annoying thing is that nothing like that happened in the book and i think that instead they should have had lucios saying the start of crucio or something

Oh my god i noticed it too!....

I thought it was a kind of strange thing to do personally ...i think they were just trying to show how angry Lucius was that he attempted to kill harry right under dumbledore's nose in the corridor!...but yea like i said i think it was a weird thing to put in there!!

oh well!

I watched it three times in the past two days, I do think he was trying to kill him. I wouldn't be surprised seeing how throughout the whole movie he gives Harry this weird look..and considering in the fourth one, he's part of Voldemort's "Crew."
I'd say he was.

I remember that. I do think he was trying to kill harry. also, we did know abot avada kedavra then. harry potter 4 was already out when movie 2 was.

yes i watched the movie yesterday and he definately was trying to kill him!!

also i watched the interview with JK Rowling and Steve Kloves on the 2nd disc and she says something like ...you put in feelings that an older person would feel....(i think she is refering to at the end where hermione is too shy to hug ron)
and she also says yes you put something in there which i dont introduce untill book four.

I think then she was talking about the unforgivable curses and moody teaches it to them before the triwizard tournament!
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It didnt say in the book and when I watched the movie yesterday I was kind of surprised when he went to go start off saying Avad- and cut off. I didnt know what it was at the time when I first watched the movie then I read on, hehe.

Yes, I also heard it, of course people who didn't read the books wouldn't notice that, but it was so clear that he said AVADA.

I totally agree, I don't know why they had to go for the killing curse there. Lucius pulling his wand on Harry would have done the job just as well. So all we can assume is that it was thrown in there for a reason...yet, we haven't seen any further development of this.

Unless house elves will play some greater purpose further along? Dobby is going to jump out and save Harry during the battle with Voldemort?

It was pointed out to me what he was saying. Avada.............. But the greatest House elf in the world stopped him.
It really added to the darkness of the film...

I know! I noticed that too! Which seemed a bit extreme to me, that Lucius would attempt to murder a student (not just any student, but HARRY POTTER) while IN hogwarts, when Dumbledore was around, all because he set his house elf free. Didn't seem to me like he even liked Dobby, so I don't see the problem. Maybe they're going to refer to this in another movie or something.

I agree with seom of you, I think it was a little out of place, sure the fans picked up on it but the killing curse needed more of a more dramatic introduction than Lucius highly unlikely trying to kill a student, at Hogwarts, 2 seconds from the headmasters office, I think another hurse or simple hex would have been better, Harry being so young wouldn't have known how to fend it off and I see Lucius as a highly intelligent character and he just wouldn't do a thing like that.