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whomeisi
hey, i agree that Hermione and Snape aint men to be, but the age thing, to me is fine, i dont have a problem with a 20 year or so gap this is talking from the books point of view in which the charactors are younger then the actors who play them, yes if Alan Rickman and Emma Watson where to have a "relationship" i would see a problem as she is what 13? ye thats not right but isn't the actually Snape charactor only in his mid 30s? and Hermione she's what 15 in the book now? me my self i see no problem tho i am a one to go for older guys myself...maybe not that old but you know! lol.

your cousin is cute, i aint a big fan of Ron as i think he's a softy, though i am sure he will prove me wrong in the coming up books as i have a feeling he's going to do somthing 'big'...not that i would know but somthing tells me he will.

so how long have u been coming on these boards? i use to chat on the cbbcnewsround i dont know if you have ever been on there but the actor who plays Ron was on one time, and i think the twins some times go on too.

~~whomeisi~~
LuciusMalfoy
I've been on this forum since I think like July. And I've never been on one before it. Thanks I love my little cousin. lol.

Yeah, Snape is in his 30s and Hermione will be 16 soon. But if you think in terms of how old they would actually be right now then Hermione is 24 today and Snape would probably be in his 40s now...I think. It's still gross to me.
whomeisi
nah that aint gross, a 24 year old and a 40 year old...i see no problems! do u go to school? i tryed to get on the internet in my bcis class but all the computers where down so it suck'd i wannted to see the Emmy pitchers...did u watch them?...ye Snape was in that one movie "what god made" or sumit and he had the funnyest american voice in the world...he didnt win, but at least he was nomanated!!! so "go Snape" ye i really still think that Snape and Hermione shouldnt be...maybe Snape and that madam prince as she seams mean also!!

whomeisi~~
LuciusMalfoy
Yeah, I go to school. I have bcisII and I do get on here like every day during that class. lol.

Well, 24 and 40s does look better than 30s and 16, but Snape and Hermione will never be so it don't matter anyway.
whomeisi
man 6 weeks tests suck, so your in bcis2... luckly i never have to do that...we had this english4 test today it was quite easy so i hope i did ok, anyways i agree i mean defantly in the books we get to read there will be no Hermione and Snape, as its teacher/student thingy and for all the over things we have said but we never know what Jkr is writting... must be intresting to read some of her notes and things, but i guess well never no what goes on out side of hogwharts...they might hook up....probally not.... so i guess this coversation is over...it was nice talking with you maybe wi'll meet again in a diffrent discusion...

whomeisi""
BellatrixBlack
Umm, I dont think the age thing is that big of a deal. But I really dont see this couple happening other than in fanfic.
Phlegerty
I'm a hige fan of this ship. And yes I do realise that it will never happen in the books. Even JK Rowling said there was not any possibilty ever. But not every ship has to be extremely likely to happen. I mean does anyone seriously believe that Draco/Harry would happen, yet there's tons of people who are fan of that.

Still, I'm a huge fan. It's fun to dream.
tears_of_eternity
hi. the Severus/Hermione ship is brilliant. sometimes it's just right to be wrong, if that makes any sense at all. wink.gif i've been supporting it for ages and i write fanfic about it. i do realise that it would never happen in canon though, but that's part of it's appeal i think.

link to my fanfiction
shippy4life
Maybe most of you will disagree but this is Discusting mad.gif
Louise
The new rules regarding the ships forums apply equally TO ALL ships.

Therefore if you don't support the said ship, then please don't post in that thread. It causes aggro and creates arguments.

If you don't support it, don't post. Simple as that.

Bashing of ships will no longer be tolerated. If you want to debate, then PM me and I'll create a separate debating thread for one ship versus another.
Phlegerty
Thank you. It is really annoying having people come in and bash our ship when we don't do it to them.

So...

What type of fics do you guys tend to prefer? Like.. Time turner ones, grown up hermione, etc etc..
Lily_Evans
I'm a big Snape/Hermione fan in fanfiction, but I hope JK never puts it in the books. I can only see SSHG actually happening well after Hermione is a student.

I think it's a great pairing, because they are equals- wheras Ron, who I think Hermione will end up with- doesn't quite match her intellectually. (ron fans please don't kill me!)

brkn promises x
no offense but that grosses me out. i think snape and hermione should stick to people their own ages[or at least near their ages]
musta
I don't believe Snape likes little girls. huh.gif
Harry'z Girl!!!&
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HERMIONE BELONGS WITH RON!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT ABOUT THAT DON'T YOU GET??????????? YOU PROBABLY SHIP CRABBE/GOYLE TOO!!!!!!!!! sad.gif mad.gif unsure.gif dry.gif wink.gif mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif

oops!! I just now read your post, Dana....I'm really sorry.... sad.gif
Louise
And you decided to leave the post there anyway? mad.gif

To anyone else who wants to post....READ the post six messages above this one...from myself....saying what is allowed and not allowed in these ships threads.

'Sorry' just doesn't cut it...there are more than enough warnings here. That's why the 'Edit' button is there.

It's official warnings next time.

I hope that's clear enough.

BTW....too many exclamation marks, overuse of smilies and repeating words to get around the 'three word' rule is not looked on kindly here either.

Please read the rules for the forum before you last three guys post again.
whomeisi
“Oh yeah…bring on the Teacher and student forbidden relationship Jkr…give the story some "cough" brio some mettle…”

Not that it needs it… but go sexy Snape anyways with the bookworm…am sure she’s just your type…lol

~~Great ShIp~~ (JuST LoVE iT!)

(I’ve actually read a few Snape/herm fic’s…fanfiction.net have some great r-rated ones…if you like that kinda of thing...Which of course I don’t (hehehe) they also have pg-13 ones too though…not as funny though…)

ToNi...as usual filling the minds of ppl with total "Crubish"...bet u though I was gonna say "****"...but I didn’t as I "stick to the rules" (sweet innocent smile crossers my face)

catch ya's laters!


Wednesday_Adams
The thing is that I (and possibly others) enjoy going on fanfiction.net and picking out random characters (whom I find a bit attractive) and just read what would happen (in a fan's point-of-view) if a relationship were to ever start between those two people.

I am a large fan of Hermione because of her incredible wisdom and knowledge. While I am also a fan of Severus because of his wit, intelligence, and his way of unknowingly teaching his students that the real world isn't all sugar plums and dandy treats.

Then I inquired myself, what if the two were to have a relationshiop. It would be forbidden, inaproppriate and quite unusual. But I found it intriguing.

That is how I became a fan of the Severus/Hermione ship, but only in fanfictions. I posted my reaction of what I would do if a Remus/Hermione relationship were to ever happen in the books. The same would go for this one, but maybe a bit more screaming.
whomeisi
Yeah Fanfiction.net is great for the extreme of fan fictions I know I can always have a laugh from ones on there…you might of read one of mine on there, it’s the ‘Snape and Hermione’ one…lol I know there’s millions of Snape and Hermione ones lol…
To tell the truth am not a huge fan of Hermione Granger myself, witch I must add is extremely odd that I have written a fan fiction over Draco and Hermione and posted it on this site…I was going to post one of my many Snape and Hermione ones but to tell the truth they don’t exactly keep in the old Pg-13 thing…but there again I always write fictions with Hermione in them even though I truly don’t like her…lol (I would say hate but its such an overused word)
As you said Grangers intelligent and so is Snape and they are very similar but I know Jkr will never do this love relationship…as much as I wish…even though am not fond of Granger…I guess I’ll just have to stick to the old Fan fictions…oh well


Laterz Toni
Rickmansmissus
I'm a major HG/SS shipper. I am very much in lust with the brooding potions professor.
I think my support of the ship extends from the high school teenage crush on the teacher thing (though I'm 26 now)
When I read fan fics of the ship I prefer Hermione to be around 17 or 18 years old, at least.
To me, age is no barrier, when you love someone.
Louise
You know, I have a slight confession to make.....I actually quite like this ship myself....I'm only a very recent convert really after reading some very good Snape/Hermione fics that presented the relationship in such a way that I could actually see it working out in a strange kind of way.

Obviously, I'm not advocating student/teacher relationships because that's a whole other ballgame, but the one I read last night (that I can't remember the name of for the life of me....I'll try and find it and post it later if I can) was particularly good...it showed Hermione's intelligence and determination to make a career for herself and Snape actually encouraging her and the relationship growing from there. Hermione was older there too....I guess 17/18 if she was just about to leave school. It was quite tender too, not at all seedy.

And I couldn't agree more - age is nothing if you truly love someone.
Raska
It would totally be a twisted and interesting relationship. Just think of marriage!
But Hermione is for Ron. Snape has got to find his own girl.
Wednesday_Adams
Ah, it is only those specific and well-written fanfictions that can really convert a person. I was converted when I became obsessed with Alan and Severus. wink.gif

I am just in shock that it took nearly a year for me to figure out that Hermione was one of my absolute favorite characters, as well. She just has that Slytherin esque way about her.
Dman
QUOTE (dansgurl01 @ May 12 2004, 10:13 PM)
there is only one way to describe that kind of relationship between severus and hermione--eeeeeew!! that is really gross! she is tooo good for him! tongue.gif

I can imagine it laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif only joking hahahaha! that is so funny snape and hermione laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif jsut thinking about it makes me laugh laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Rickmansmissus
To understand the complicated Ship of Severus Snape and Hermione Granger, you need to have a mature mind.

For me the appreciation of the Severus/Hermione ship comes from my late high school years and having a crush on a teacher. Needless to say, young hormones and a mind of NC-17 and Severus and Hermione can fill many lonely nights.

However I do not like fics where Hermione is under age. I only read fics where Hermione is a minimum of 17 years of age.
Louise
I could kiss you, you know!! tongue.gif At last, someone with the maturity to understand how this thing really could work out.

As I've said, of course I'm not advocating teacher/student relationships because the moral and ethical issues are complicated to say the least, but yeah, most of the fanfic I've read has Hermione much older.

There's a meeting of minds there, definitely....a depth and level of emotion, and I think you need to be a little older to appreciate the kind of relationship that could grow there. Their shared intelligence, their serious attitudes, the way they have of looking at things.....there is quite a lot there that they do have in common if you took the time to look.

I have to be completely honest here and say that not many fics I've read - and believe me, I've read a lot - have been as well written (mostly because the authors are older, I think) or have really tugged on the heartstrings like some of the Snape/Hermione ones I've read lately.

They portray Snape as a misunderstood, deeply complex man who has been struggling with his inner demons for years and Hermione as the only one with the intelligence and the compassion to see through the indifferent aura he exudes in his desperation to keep people away. It's such a potentially touching relationship, it really is.

Of course it's never going to happen in the books, I know that. But if I'm ever looking for new HP stuff in the future, this is one of the areas that I'll be keeping an eye on, certainly.

It has a wonderful Beauty and the Beast (although Snape's not that bad, you know...) quality to it, you know?

Barely even friends
Then somebody bends
Unexpectedly.
Just a little change
Small to say the least
Both a little scared
Neither one prepared.....

Bittersweet and strange
Finding you can change
Learning you were wrong....


Yeah...definitely....**sniff** One of the most touching ships I've ever considered.....
MrLupin
i've heard of this one before,but its a far-fetched idea .For one thing i can't imagine snape ever being in love.Snape-Hermione makes no structural sense to the novels but I'm sure i'll get to read an eloquent essay on this ship somewhere.
Wednesday_Adams
QUOTE (Dana_Scully @ Dec 18 2004, 09:04 AM)
There's a meeting of minds there, definitely....a depth and level of emotion, and I think you need to be a little older to appreciate the kind of relationship that could grow there. Their shared intelligence, their serious attitudes, the way they have of looking at things.....there is quite a lot there that they do have in common if you took the time to look.

I have to be completely honest here and say that not many fics I've read - and believe me, I've read a lot - have been as well written (mostly because the authors are older, I think) or have really tugged on the heartstrings like some of the Snape/Hermione ones I've read lately.

They portray Snape as a misunderstood, deeply complex man who has been struggling with his inner demons for years and Hermione as the only one with the intelligence and the compassion to see through the indifferent aura he exudes in his desperation to keep people away. It's such a potentially touching relationship, it really is.

Of course it's never going to happen in the books, I know that. But if I'm ever looking for new HP stuff in the future, this is one of the areas that I'll be keeping an eye on, certainly.

You managed to explain a point that was at the tip of my tongue but unable to put into words. Many Severus/Hermione fanfictions are dumb and cliche, but there are those select few (as Dana said) that keep the protagonists (ugh, I forgot how to spell that word) in character and make the ship compatible with the reality of Harry Potter.

And yes, in agreement to what Rickmansmissus and Dana said, you have to have a certain level of maturity to understand the reasonings and complex meanings of the ship. Hmm, perhaps that makes me mature... nah.
xXhApOcHiCxX
yeah he will probably fall in love with umbridge they both hate lupin cuasu hes a werewolf and they both HATE harry so they are perfect fo each other but hermoien and sanpe never!!! ohmy.gif
TheMalfoyCousins
Who's Hermoien and Sanpe? Hahahahaha. Seriously though, I totally think that they will get together because on page 357 in book four, Hermione and Snape totally have a moment when he's yelling at harry. And then in book 5 in chapter 12, there's another moment bertween the two of them. I totally think JKR is trying to point something out here and Hermione likes Snape. Remember how concerned she was about him when they knocked him out in the third book? Anyway, JKR is so going to hook them up, mark my words.
Rickmansmissus
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They portray Snape as a misunderstood, deeply complex man who has been struggling with his inner demons for years and Hermione as the only one with the intelligence and the compassion to see through the indifferent aura he exudes in his desperation to keep people away. It's such a potentially touching relationship, it really is.



You've totally hit the nail on the head, Louise. I have always thought of Severus as a very complex character, and of Hermione with a strong sense of compassion and intelligence.
As far as Severus is concerned, you don't become a potions master overnight or by being a Gilderoy Lockhart.

With the HG/SS fics that I have read, all the decent ones are written by older people. I really do stand by my judgement that to understand the possibility of a HG/SS ship, you have to have worldly knowlege and maturity.
And for those who are saying ewww, fine, that is your personal choice, and please don't go waving it about on a thread that is designed to appreciate something. I don't like it.
I just hope that you have thought to read a fic about Severus and Hermione (and I reccomend G or PG ones, to begin with) to even begin to appreciate how beautiful this relationship could be. If you don't know where to find one Ashwinder has a fantastic site dedicated to SS/HG fics.
Louise
Ooh, hear, hear, matey!! tongue.gif You'd be a good mod... wink.gif

Yeah, I mean I think there has to be a little more between a couple for a relationship to work out that mutual dislike of aother person. That's what I'm saying about H/S....they have such a lot in common - and real, substantial stuff....stuff that would keep a conversation going on those long winter evenings in a draughty old castle. The debates they would have would be pretty interesting reading, IMHO....I can see Severus coming out with these rather harsh remarks about...say....elfish welfare and Hermione tempering him with equally strong opinions, while at the same time as trying to soften the edge from his 'nastiness', for want of a better word, do you know what I mean? Getting him to see that there is another way of expressing himself without upsetting people? I think they'd be the perfect balance really....

Hermione has the intelligence to appreciate and understand Snape's views, but she could teach him to express them in a better way, I guess that's what I'm trying to say.

I'd definitely recommend some of the PG ones first though too....because the thing is that when you have older people writing fics, they tend to want to go off into areas that are...er...less suitable for some of the younger readers. When you're old enough to read the NC-17 ones, (and by 'you,' I mean the collective 'you' as in everyone out there... wink.gif ) then maybe you'll have the maturity to understand the complex dynamics that would make this kind of relationship work out.
Wednesday_Adams
What's the website called Rickmansmissus (gah, I need to learn everyone's names)? I would love to read some more Snape/Hermione fanfictions because I believe I have read all that they have at fanfiction.net.

There is a reason, as well, as to why Hermone would like Snape in the first place. She loves knowledge, of course, and because of the fact that Snape does not acknowledge her cleverness she sees it as a challenge. And a girl like Hermione Granger would love a challenge, getting fustrated over having to give her work 110%, but finding out later that that was indeed increasing her massive intelligence.

Yep. My little theory is not definite of course. rolleyes.gif
Rickmansmissus
Glad to give you some sites, although I must warn that some of the sites contain NC-17 & R rated fics. So if you're not old enough, don't read them, but enjoy the rest smile.gif

Ashwinder

Dark Sarcasm

Whispers

Ridikulus

Schnoogle

Have fun reading smile.gif
Rowan Wand
blink.gif Wow....I honestly have no words for this....

Except, perhaps...*dies* I'm sorry, but that's just so, so wrong.
Louise
Well I have some words for you - TAKE THE TIME TO READ THE RULES FOR POSTING IN THE SHIPS THREADS BEFORE YOU POST AGAIN.

DO NOT POST IN THESE THREADS IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT THE SHIP.


I get a tad annoyed when newbies come here and immediately start upsetting people by offering such inflammatory remarks when other people here do support said ship.

Rickmansmissus
Thank you! smile.gif hopefully things will quieten down. There are quite a few Christmas HG/SS fics popping up on Ashwinder at the moment, perfect for this time of year.
Also, if you want a laugh, you have to read, Fruit loops, Severus toilet training his son. My sides split after reading this fic.

Queer eye for the Snape guy - A queer eye, HP fic crossover. Also quite amusing.
Wednesday_Adams
Oh my goodness. I was reading a fanfiction on the marvelous website that Rickmansmissus showed me (Ashwinder) and then I came up with the most absurd yet intriguing "what-if" for the seventh book.

Now, if J.K. Rowling wrote an epilogue at the end of said "last book", describing how some (who survived) moved on with their lives. Could you just imagine your reaction if it said that Hermione grew up to marry Severus Snape?!

I mean, I had never thought of that crazy scenario before... but I know I would definitely fall out of my chair with a squeak if that did happen.

Gasp. ohmy.gif
xXhApOcHiCxX
severus is too old for hermione and i doubt that hermione will ever wanna hook up with severus. frist because hermione hated severus guts and he will be too old for her and their realtionship wont work out because snape always ahs plans to pick on harry and hermione wont tolerate that from him dry.gif

MOD EDIT: Did you read the title description?? It said, SUPPORTERS ONLY. Put it simple, if you don't support, don't post. Is that simple enough?
Rickmansmissus
I can't recall Hermione really hating Severus. I know she has been upset at him over his ignoring her and things. But she does see through his snarky exterior.
Defending him, and knowing of his work as an order member.
eowynmaiar
I totally support this SHIP, for fanfic that is. I doubt it would ever happen in the books, but I've read a few HG/SS fic and some of it is really good at converting you.

Besides, who can resist the Alan Rickman. *swoons* blink.gif cool.gif

BTW (((xXhApOcHiCxX))), even though you don't support this SHIP which is perfectly OK (everyone has the right to their opinion), I love your pic of Frodo. He is adorable in that shot. smile.gif
Wednesday_Adams
QUOTE (eowynmaiar @ Jan 4 2005, 07:58 AM)
I totally support this SHIP, for fanfic that is. I doubt it would ever happen in the books, but I've read a few HG/SS fic and some of it is really good at converting you.

Besides, who can resist the Alan Rickman. *swoons* blink.gif cool.gif

BTW (((xXhApOcHiCxX))), even though you don't support this SHIP which is perfectly OK (everyone has the right to their opinion), I love your pic of Frodo. He is adorable in that shot. smile.gif

Whoot! Another fan! ohmy.gif

Might I suggest joining The Severely Obsessed Slytherin Society (formerly known as the Unofficial Alan Rickman Fan Club)? I am sure we would all love to have more members, and there, we just mostly discuss the "hotties" of Slytherin. wink.gif

Not very cunning, eh? I am being so conspicuous about it. rolleyes.gif

Okay, going off topic... there was this one fanfiction I read about Hermione/Severus, and I believe I have recommended it before, but I have to say it is hilarious. 'Tis rated R, of course.
Rickmansmissus
I do find that there are some fantastic fics around, although I think I've pretty much read all that Ashwinder has to offer, until the author's update.

A few questions for supporters though...In fan fiction, do you like or...

Do you see Hermione and Severus having children in the future?

Do you see Hermione and Severus working together (same school/shared job?)?
Wednesday_Adams
I've read quite a few fanfictions where that happened. It seemed pretty normal, and quite amusing (Snape and Hermione's kids running around the school as Hermione teaches Arithmancy and Snape teaches Potions), but if it were to happen in the books (if that's what you mean), I'd be a bit taken aback. wink.gif
Louise
Ooh, Ruby, you must be psychic... tongue.gif I'm actually dabbling a little at a SS/H fic myself right now that has Hermione returning to Hogwarts to work on her thesis under the mentorship of Snape...I kind of figured her being interested in potions because it seems more 'brainy' to me than the hex-first-ask-questions-later DADA or anything else, and I really do see Hermione pursuing the academic route.

It kind of grows from there, with both of them realising their feelings very slowly...growing from things they have in common, similar way they have of viewing the world, that kind of thing....

And ultimately, I've manipulated the situation a little and I'm hoping it'll end up with Hermione taking over as Potions Master while Snape gets the DADA position...and of course, have two beautiful kids...a boy and a girl, probably...the usual sappy ending.. tongue.gif I was in that kind of a mood when I started it... wink.gif

But yeah, basically, to get back to the question, that's where I see it ending up. I think they'd have the kind of relationship where they barely acknowledge each other whilst working, but back in the privacy of their own chambers, they have a very deeply loving relationship.

I've been corrupted by fanfic, what can I say? tongue.gif Ashwinder's a very powerful site.... wink.gif
Rickmansmissus
Great minds must think alike then. As I must agree that Ashwinder does corrupt the mind.

And I guess I should answer my own questions, and I should have clarified that I was referring to fan fiction (sadly I don't think JKR will grant my belated Christmas wish tongue.gif )

I have read lots of well written fics with Hermione and Severus having a child or two in the future. Severus most definately needs a son. It would be a crime for those coal black eyes not to be passed on.

I can see Severus and Hermione working together and apart. I've read fics where Hermione has worked at the ministry and Severus at Hogwarts, which was quite good. I've also read one's where Hermione has been a colleague in a subject other than potions (I think that works well as I know I couldn't work alongside my partner, I would go nuts)
I have read fics with Hermione and Severus working in the potions subject together. I've seen them in two styles, where they have a very professional relationship within working hours, and out of hours they are a very devoted and passionate couple.
Also where they work close together and get on each other's nerves, via stress and close proximity of working together. However, it did end happily, and they still worked together.

Ideally my happily ever after Hermione and Severus situation would be that Hermione takes over from Severus in potions (I agree that it is a brains not brawn subject) and Severus gets the DADA position. (Although I see Severus as a more level headed teacher that would think before he hexes, Harry to me would be hex first, think later)
I'd picture Severus and Hermione with a daughter, with Hermione's bushy hair, and eagerness to learn, but with Severus' colouring.
I imagine a son that is the spitting image of Severus, I can see the Snape children as rather quick tempered.
Louise
Oh yeah, I completely agree. Although I also see any children Snape would have as being kind of rebellious too....the type who dye their hair weird colours, have loads of body piercings, see people that he wouldn't approve of, get caught drinking underage, stay out really late, that kind of thing... tongue.gif But they would still have their mother's sensibilities...they might be a bit rebellious, but their hearts would be in the right place and they would also be really kind and considerate and thoughtful.

The boys would, of course, have their father's dark, brooding looks and the girls wold have their mothers brains...not that dear Severus doen't have brains, of course...but he also has other...er....more noticeable assets..... tongue.gif

I can see the point about them getting on each other's nerves if they were around each other all day every day....I think that's true of anyone though...I mean, I love all my family to bits, but if I couldn't get out of the house and do my own thing sometimes, I think I'd probably explode.....
Rickmansmissus
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Although I also see any children Snape would have as being kind of rebellious too....the type who dye their hair weird colours, have loads of body piercings, see people that he wouldn't approve of, get caught drinking underage, stay out really late, that kind of thing...


Most definately. I think because Severus is a strict teacher he would be as a parent. I think that Hermione has similar tendancies. And I know from a strict up bringing, they would certainly rebel.

EDIT - (so as to not double post tongue.gif ) Does anyone know of any good SS/HG fics out there? I am really struggling to find anything to read between updates of Phantom of Hogwarts and Dances with Witches
zyra123
I'm liking this pairing more and more as I read in Ashwinder. So many of them are really good that I immediately immerse in their writing...

So, yap! Count me in as another fan of Snape/Hermione... and yes, most of the one I read would be having Hermione in her post-Hogwarts state, of course... in case anyone start to thinking how sick I am... rolleyes.gif
Rickmansmissus
You're not sick smile.gif You just have a healthy imagination wink.gif
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