This thread's open to allow discussion about all aspects of the HP actors, though it's here in the Great Hall so that we can discuss among other things topics that might be a little more controversial. Here are a few questions to get us started.
A lot of people have benefited from JK Rowling's invention, but among those who have benefited the most are the actors in the Warners Brothers movies. And while I'm sure the adult actors have certainly enjoyed a boost from the roles, it's those that started off as children--Dan, Emma, and Rupert--whose careers have been totally transformed by the roles. It's hard to imagine any of them taking a role in more successful movies than the HP series.
The question is what sort of obligations do they have based on their roles in these movies? While there are certainly some dark themes present throughout the series, the movies have always attracted large numbers of younger viewers, so there's no doubt that a great number of their biggest fans will be young and impressionable children.
Does this mean that the younger actors, those whose careers have been launched by the series, have a set of obligations that do not apply to other actors? Should they be more careful than others about the roles they select in the future? Dan, in particular, has already starred in an edgier production in Equus. Does anyone feel like he should have passed on the role, at least for now while his name is so associated with Harry Potter? Or are the actors in the series completely justified in selecting any future role they feel like?
How much have the movies limited the type of roles the HP actors can take in the future? Many actors have their careers so defined by a particular role that it's hard to do anything else. Christopher Reeves is and always will be Superman. Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen have certainly done a number productions in their lifetime, but even now it's hard to think of them as anything but Michelle Tanner. Tony Shalhoub had a number of roles before, but now it will be hard to think of him as anything but Monk. Most people who saw Jaleel White or Dustin Diamond on the street would probably call them Urkel and Screech before they ever thought of their real names.
Will the same thing happen with the HP actors? If not, then what is it about the movies or the actors that will let them break free of the roles? What sort of roles do you see them taking in the future?
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I really believe that Daniel will always be Harry to me, no matter what. Kids nowadays, and people of my age have grown up watching Harry Potter movies. So, I think that these actors will always be associated with the roles they first played in the big screen.
However, since you mentioned Equus, I think that many people are ready to accept the fact that Daniel can do more than speak Parseltongue. He can be a mature actor who has the potential to be great and play many roles in his life. To be honest, I don't think that the HP series let any of the actors demonstrate their real skills. For example, I realised how great actor Will Smith is when I saw "Pursuit of Happyness". Harry Potter roles may mark these actors, but only if they let it happen.
If Radcliff, or anyone else, doesn't get another great role in their lives, they will always be remembered as "Harry Potter" kids. However, if they do manage to get over this, they will be remembered as great actors who had a successful career.
I really believe that the actors you mentioned Sam, are remembered for these roles because they were the big break in their life. Every actor has a big break for which he/she is remembered. I hope that HP actors will make good choices and give us all the chance to admire their real acting talent, the magic they hide within!
However, since you mentioned Equus, I think that many people are ready to accept the fact that Daniel can do more than speak Parseltongue. He can be a mature actor who has the potential to be great and play many roles in his life. To be honest, I don't think that the HP series let any of the actors demonstrate their real skills. For example, I realised how great actor Will Smith is when I saw "Pursuit of Happyness". Harry Potter roles may mark these actors, but only if they let it happen.
If Radcliff, or anyone else, doesn't get another great role in their lives, they will always be remembered as "Harry Potter" kids. However, if they do manage to get over this, they will be remembered as great actors who had a successful career.
I really believe that the actors you mentioned Sam, are remembered for these roles because they were the big break in their life. Every actor has a big break for which he/she is remembered. I hope that HP actors will make good choices and give us all the chance to admire their real acting talent, the magic they hide within!
I think it was always going to be tough on the child actors who have stayed with the franchise. Daniel has made a concious effort to play roles that are very different to Harry and I think this was a good decision.
Emma has appeared in a made for TV role, Ballet Shoes, and surprisingly she wasn't Hermione-ish, with the exception of her eye browa which I think went to a seperate stage school to the reat of her body!
Rupert was excellent in Driving Lessons, but yet again he had the support of the fantastic Julie Walters who was as unlike Molly Weasley as Dan was to Harry in Equus.
The actors with minor, but regular roles I fear will find it harder to escape the bonds of the Potterverse.
Matthew Lewis, might avoid it but the Phelps twinn will forever be known as Fred and George. The really less well known ones will go on to do whatever without the ties to the franchise, I think they are lucky in that respect because they will have something good on their CV but without the fear of being typecast. Rob Pattinson had not read GoF when he auditioned for Cedric so he didn't realise that he died and as a young man of 17/18 at the time was slightly miffed at not being one of the cast members to have the luxury of an extended contract. Things couldn't have turned out better for him, this year he will star in a movie franchise that is set to be as big as Harry Potter but I feel without it holding the same fear that he will always be known as the young man who played Edward Cullen.
Daniel will have that, but I hope that later in his life it will be seen as a help rather than a hinderance to his career, since Harry Potter has been such a huge influence on the lives of so many.
That bloke Alan Rickman though...can't see him getting any roles where a dark greasy wig and a sarcastic demeaner aren't called for!
Emma has appeared in a made for TV role, Ballet Shoes, and surprisingly she wasn't Hermione-ish, with the exception of her eye browa which I think went to a seperate stage school to the reat of her body!
Rupert was excellent in Driving Lessons, but yet again he had the support of the fantastic Julie Walters who was as unlike Molly Weasley as Dan was to Harry in Equus.
The actors with minor, but regular roles I fear will find it harder to escape the bonds of the Potterverse.
Matthew Lewis, might avoid it but the Phelps twinn will forever be known as Fred and George. The really less well known ones will go on to do whatever without the ties to the franchise, I think they are lucky in that respect because they will have something good on their CV but without the fear of being typecast. Rob Pattinson had not read GoF when he auditioned for Cedric so he didn't realise that he died and as a young man of 17/18 at the time was slightly miffed at not being one of the cast members to have the luxury of an extended contract. Things couldn't have turned out better for him, this year he will star in a movie franchise that is set to be as big as Harry Potter but I feel without it holding the same fear that he will always be known as the young man who played Edward Cullen.
Daniel will have that, but I hope that later in his life it will be seen as a help rather than a hinderance to his career, since Harry Potter has been such a huge influence on the lives of so many.
That bloke Alan Rickman though...can't see him getting any roles where a dark greasy wig and a sarcastic demeaner aren't called for!
I was thinking about Justin Timberlake (I know, it's random) and how noone remembers any longer that he used to be in a band, N*Sync. He has had such a great career the past decade that he is now known as a great singer. The member of the boy band with the ugly hair is long forgotten!
My point is that if HP actors manage to do something greater than their first role, they will be able to move beyond that. Their big role will be the one to open doors. But it'll be totally up to them to make the right choices that will form a great acting career for them.
This could also happen for the smaller parts as well. The Phelps brothers will succeed if they do not let their first role be their last. This reminds of the classic case of people who had a big success back when they were young and they let it be their one and only success. Like the guy in Love Actually.
The choice of the movie is not accidental. It brings me to my next point: Alan Rickman.
I couldn't agree more with you Elaine! No matter how great an actor he is, not matter how many humorous lines he's given...He'll always be Professor Snape for me. This role suited him just perfect! Aw...I realise why you like him Elaine! I'd like to have him teach me Potions...
My point is that if HP actors manage to do something greater than their first role, they will be able to move beyond that. Their big role will be the one to open doors. But it'll be totally up to them to make the right choices that will form a great acting career for them.
This could also happen for the smaller parts as well. The Phelps brothers will succeed if they do not let their first role be their last. This reminds of the classic case of people who had a big success back when they were young and they let it be their one and only success. Like the guy in Love Actually.
The choice of the movie is not accidental. It brings me to my next point: Alan Rickman.
I couldn't agree more with you Elaine! No matter how great an actor he is, not matter how many humorous lines he's given...He'll always be Professor Snape for me. This role suited him just perfect! Aw...I realise why you like him Elaine! I'd like to have him teach me Potions...
To generalize all actors/actresses is certainly not doing any of them justice, yet as a movie viewer, how I see an actor/actress depends upon how I see them the first time.
Alan Rickman is a prime example for me: I've seen him in many movies before I viewed any of the Harry Potter movies. This allowed me the opportunity to see him in a different role, not a role that defines him.
Now, Dan Radcliffe is altogether a bit different for me, as I have only viewed him as Harry Potter. I'd love to get tickets to see Equus, yet it's unrealistic. I will enjoy seeing him in other projects, but I'll always remember him as Harry Potter. I believe this will hold true for me with Emma Watson and Rupert Grint, but none of the other cast members. The trio just embody the Harry Potter series, where the others are less substantial.
I certainly feel Dan taking on such a drastic change from his Harry Potter role with Equus was a brilliant career move.
Alan Rickman is a prime example for me: I've seen him in many movies before I viewed any of the Harry Potter movies. This allowed me the opportunity to see him in a different role, not a role that defines him.
Now, Dan Radcliffe is altogether a bit different for me, as I have only viewed him as Harry Potter. I'd love to get tickets to see Equus, yet it's unrealistic. I will enjoy seeing him in other projects, but I'll always remember him as Harry Potter. I believe this will hold true for me with Emma Watson and Rupert Grint, but none of the other cast members. The trio just embody the Harry Potter series, where the others are less substantial.
I certainly feel Dan taking on such a drastic change from his Harry Potter role with Equus was a brilliant career move.
I've got to be completely honest here and reveal some of my true colors, as much as I try to avoid doing so normally (revealing my true colors that is--I always try to be honest).
Especially with the child actors from the Harry Potter movies, I see them as owing quite a bit of their future success to these movies, and in fact they've all probably already achieved a lifetime's worth of success from the series as it is, so I feel like they should show some self-imposed reservation to taking on edgier roles until after the series has concluded.
My reasoning is this. The Harry Potter movies have reached a much larger number of young and impressionable children than almost every other movie ever made. While it has some darker themes there is much that is directed to younger audiences. Everyone knows that there will be seven of these movies when all is said and done, and while the characters in the movies are definitely not saints, the actors that play them are idolized by millions of children across the world.
It may be a fact of life that actors should be among the last to be considered for the job of role model to young children, but it's also a fact that they're among the most frequent that end up being role models for young children whether they like it or not--especially younger actors and especially younger actors that are so associated with one role as Dan, Emma, and Rupert are.
I have to admit that I felt a little betrayed when I learned that Dan was going to be the lead in Equus. I felt like he was trying to be too adult to quickly for someone that was still so associated with a child's role and that it somewhat taints his role as Harry Potter. I don't object to him trying to distance himself from the Harry Potter role so that he can have some future career afterwards, I just object from him doing it while actively in the Harry Potter role. It somehow takes a little of the magic of the HP movies away for me.
Maybe that's what made me less excited about going out and seeing the last movie. I didn't want to see the movie if I didn't feel like they were all just tremendously grateful to have the role. Most anyone would be thrilled to be able to play those roles, so I feel like they should be doing nothing but enjoying the roles instead of doing everything they can to make sure that they're careers are not "ruined" by them.
Especially with the child actors from the Harry Potter movies, I see them as owing quite a bit of their future success to these movies, and in fact they've all probably already achieved a lifetime's worth of success from the series as it is, so I feel like they should show some self-imposed reservation to taking on edgier roles until after the series has concluded.
My reasoning is this. The Harry Potter movies have reached a much larger number of young and impressionable children than almost every other movie ever made. While it has some darker themes there is much that is directed to younger audiences. Everyone knows that there will be seven of these movies when all is said and done, and while the characters in the movies are definitely not saints, the actors that play them are idolized by millions of children across the world.
It may be a fact of life that actors should be among the last to be considered for the job of role model to young children, but it's also a fact that they're among the most frequent that end up being role models for young children whether they like it or not--especially younger actors and especially younger actors that are so associated with one role as Dan, Emma, and Rupert are.
I have to admit that I felt a little betrayed when I learned that Dan was going to be the lead in Equus. I felt like he was trying to be too adult to quickly for someone that was still so associated with a child's role and that it somewhat taints his role as Harry Potter. I don't object to him trying to distance himself from the Harry Potter role so that he can have some future career afterwards, I just object from him doing it while actively in the Harry Potter role. It somehow takes a little of the magic of the HP movies away for me.
Maybe that's what made me less excited about going out and seeing the last movie. I didn't want to see the movie if I didn't feel like they were all just tremendously grateful to have the role. Most anyone would be thrilled to be able to play those roles, so I feel like they should be doing nothing but enjoying the roles instead of doing everything they can to make sure that they're careers are not "ruined" by them.
I've always really liked the way Dan has handled his fame. Not even Equus bothered me, since the role was written for a character exactly his age. I do think that as he hasn't turned out all tall and Hollywood gorgeous (he can look drop-dead, or he can look quite ordinary, depending on how he dresses and behaves), he could have a fine career as an actor, playing a lot of diverse characters instead of always the hero. The character he played in Equus was very dark, very unstable. I'm sure that was as much a challenge as the part of the play that everyone made such an issue of. But Sam, I think if Emma had taken a role demanding a nude scene, it would have troubled me much more. Kinda sexist, aren't I? 
And I get where you're coming from with the discomfort--I think it would have been far more troubling, though, if it had been a film version. Onstage, his 'exposure' in this role is more limited. 
So I don't think it would have the same effect on his younger fans.
Emma bugs me. I haven't much liked what I've read of her interviews. She doesn't really sound like she thinks it's all that great to play Hermione. She doesn't sound at all grateful. I've read interviews where she says that playing Hermione is not a dream come true, it's just a job. She's also been quoted as saying that she's made so much money playing Hermione that she wouldn't ever have to work again if she didn't want to, so she's going to be very picky about roles. I don't think she should be so picky, because she's really not a very convincing actress. She overacts. She's a beautiful girl who has now just signed on to replace Keira Knightly, shilling for Chanel for a cool six million dollar contract. So maybe she'll be a better model than an actress, since it only requires make-up and a sultry look, which she can manage. I don't think she'll go all that far once HP is over, she just doesn't have the talent. And it just sounded more than a little pompous to be saying that she's made all this money and can do what she pleases, when the majority of the world's people don't have that luxury--kinda tacky. I couldn't care less that it's true, she shouldn't have said it. She needs to take interview lesons from Dan.
Rupert, I don't really know much about him. He seems very private. He seems like a decent kid.
I love Jason Issacs. He's so not Lucius, but he always gets these mean-person roles because he's so good at being bad!
For some reason, I never fell in love with Snape. I'm one of the few, I think! lol Alan's another really terrific guy who is wonderful at playing bad boys! They should have picked a younger actor for Snape, but could I imagine anyone else in the role? Not now!
And I get where you're coming from with the discomfort--I think it would have been far more troubling, though, if it had been a film version. Onstage, his 'exposure' in this role is more limited. So I don't think it would have the same effect on his younger fans.Emma bugs me. I haven't much liked what I've read of her interviews. She doesn't really sound like she thinks it's all that great to play Hermione. She doesn't sound at all grateful. I've read interviews where she says that playing Hermione is not a dream come true, it's just a job. She's also been quoted as saying that she's made so much money playing Hermione that she wouldn't ever have to work again if she didn't want to, so she's going to be very picky about roles. I don't think she should be so picky, because she's really not a very convincing actress. She overacts. She's a beautiful girl who has now just signed on to replace Keira Knightly, shilling for Chanel for a cool six million dollar contract. So maybe she'll be a better model than an actress, since it only requires make-up and a sultry look, which she can manage. I don't think she'll go all that far once HP is over, she just doesn't have the talent. And it just sounded more than a little pompous to be saying that she's made all this money and can do what she pleases, when the majority of the world's people don't have that luxury--kinda tacky. I couldn't care less that it's true, she shouldn't have said it. She needs to take interview lesons from Dan.
Rupert, I don't really know much about him. He seems very private. He seems like a decent kid.
I love Jason Issacs. He's so not Lucius, but he always gets these mean-person roles because he's so good at being bad!
For some reason, I never fell in love with Snape. I'm one of the few, I think! lol Alan's another really terrific guy who is wonderful at playing bad boys! They should have picked a younger actor for Snape, but could I imagine anyone else in the role? Not now!
I, too, have always liked how Dan has handled his fame. He always seems so humble and grateful in interviews. He has an air of maturity about him, even in his younger years, to handle any question with the utmost respect for the movies, books, and fans. He really is a likable guy, and I wish him the best of luck in the future.
Having said that, I can see Sam's point about Equus, though. Considering that he is a role model for so many younger fans, I think Dan should have been a little more...cautious...about taking on such a risque role before finishing the HP series. I think it does taint the "innocence" a little of the HP character. But, I think the majority of the people who would think this way are adults. I don't think the majority of the younger fans know much at all about his role in Equus, at least I know my daughter is clueless about it. I mean, the bright side is that Equus isn't world-wide. It's not in the movies or on tv. The chance of actually getting to see it is slim because of its limited showings. The kids out there that do know about it are ones who are old enough to surf the internet and find it. But even then, they aren't going to get too much info because they can't actually see the show.
And Emma bugs me, too. She carries an air of superiority and acts the snob. Unlike Dan, she doesn't seem to show as much respect to the movies, books, and fans. And frankly, she ought to be grateful for the movies because I don't think she'd be getting these other offers if it wasn't for her role as Hermione. Like Darcy said, she overacts causing her performance to be fake in my mind. There are a few times when I feel she does a good job and her role is believable, but there are many more that fall short. Seriously, she needs to stop acting with her eyebrows. Sheesh.
Maybe once the HP series is finished and the "HP fever" has passed, she'll get a dose of reality and realize she isn't as good of an actress as she thought, that it was the HP series that carried her to fame. But then again, she's still young and has time to grow and mature as an actress. A really good director can do wonders for an actor/actress.
Having said that, I can see Sam's point about Equus, though. Considering that he is a role model for so many younger fans, I think Dan should have been a little more...cautious...about taking on such a risque role before finishing the HP series. I think it does taint the "innocence" a little of the HP character. But, I think the majority of the people who would think this way are adults. I don't think the majority of the younger fans know much at all about his role in Equus, at least I know my daughter is clueless about it. I mean, the bright side is that Equus isn't world-wide. It's not in the movies or on tv. The chance of actually getting to see it is slim because of its limited showings. The kids out there that do know about it are ones who are old enough to surf the internet and find it. But even then, they aren't going to get too much info because they can't actually see the show.
And Emma bugs me, too. She carries an air of superiority and acts the snob. Unlike Dan, she doesn't seem to show as much respect to the movies, books, and fans. And frankly, she ought to be grateful for the movies because I don't think she'd be getting these other offers if it wasn't for her role as Hermione. Like Darcy said, she overacts causing her performance to be fake in my mind. There are a few times when I feel she does a good job and her role is believable, but there are many more that fall short. Seriously, she needs to stop acting with her eyebrows. Sheesh.
Maybe once the HP series is finished and the "HP fever" has passed, she'll get a dose of reality and realize she isn't as good of an actress as she thought, that it was the HP series that carried her to fame. But then again, she's still young and has time to grow and mature as an actress. A really good director can do wonders for an actor/actress.
I want to comment on the Emma-Hermione point. Well...I totally agree with your points Darcy and Laura. This girl is so annoying I could kick her! I've always imagined Hermione as a more humble girl, with messier hair, who'd only act clever when she had to do so. This girl was just lucky that they picked her and since they couldn't fire her after the first movie, they had to move on with her. So, there she goes, she plays in 8 movies with a blink of an eye! Some people are so lucky. 
As for her acting skills, nope, nope, nope. 
She is not horrible, but she is very close to being characterised as bad. I find her exaggerating as well. There is no need to act like that. Rupert for example seems so genuine! He was made to be Ron, just like Alan Rickman was made to be Snape. There is something in their style. Or they have a way of identifying to their roles. Now, when it comes to her Channel job (I was about to link to an article), she is not even that pretty. I'm not being mean. I just believe there are other prettier girls to represent such a big fashion icon. For example, Ginny has always looked so pretty and I'm sure she'll turn into a very beautiful woman. She can have the vibe of a Channel model. Emma not. Not unless she changes her brains. 
As for her acting skills, nope, nope, nope. She is not horrible, but she is very close to being characterised as bad. I find her exaggerating as well. There is no need to act like that. Rupert for example seems so genuine! He was made to be Ron, just like Alan Rickman was made to be Snape. There is something in their style. Or they have a way of identifying to their roles. Now, when it comes to her Channel job (I was about to link to an article), she is not even that pretty. I'm not being mean. I just believe there are other prettier girls to represent such a big fashion icon. For example, Ginny has always looked so pretty and I'm sure she'll turn into a very beautiful woman. She can have the vibe of a Channel model. Emma not. Not unless she changes her brains.
I have to agree with everyone on how Emma is a bit .. annoying.
Well, I couldn't have said it better myself. One actress who I abseloutely have loved since Big Fish is Helena Bonham Carter. I love the way she played Bellatrix Lestrange in OotP, and she got a lot of fame for it, then moved on to Ms. Lovett in Swenney Todd, and didn't she win an Oscar, or a Tony? Something like that. I've always loved her as an actress, same as I've loved Alan Rickman.
I became a huge Alan Rickman fan after Prizoner of Azkaban came out, and I've watched a few of his movies. He's so cute in Sweeney Todd also, as Judge Turpin. Unfourtently, I think because Harry Potter has become so huge since Dan and the rest have started getting older (I think most teenager girls, with the exception of myself, watch Harry Potter just because they think Dan and Ruper are attractive.
), that Snape and many of the older actors/actresses will be known for their roles. I highly doubt that Maggie Smith will be doing much more movies, with batteling brest cancer, and getting older, I don't know if she will do much more than Harry Potter. (Hopefully she'll still be alive, many of the older actors have died, like the three or four Dumbledore's we've had.)
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This girl is so annoying I could kick her!
Well, I couldn't have said it better myself. One actress who I abseloutely have loved since Big Fish is Helena Bonham Carter. I love the way she played Bellatrix Lestrange in OotP, and she got a lot of fame for it, then moved on to Ms. Lovett in Swenney Todd, and didn't she win an Oscar, or a Tony? Something like that. I've always loved her as an actress, same as I've loved Alan Rickman.
I became a huge Alan Rickman fan after Prizoner of Azkaban came out, and I've watched a few of his movies. He's so cute in Sweeney Todd also, as Judge Turpin. Unfourtently, I think because Harry Potter has become so huge since Dan and the rest have started getting older (I think most teenager girls, with the exception of myself, watch Harry Potter just because they think Dan and Ruper are attractive.
), that Snape and many of the older actors/actresses will be known for their roles. I highly doubt that Maggie Smith will be doing much more movies, with batteling brest cancer, and getting older, I don't know if she will do much more than Harry Potter. (Hopefully she'll still be alive, many of the older actors have died, like the three or four Dumbledore's we've had.)Sam
Yes, I would like to agree that Emma Watson is not a good Hermione, and is not the best actress either. My favorite demonstration of how she is not fit for the screen is in the movie OoTP. When Harry first arrives at Grimmauld Place. He walks into the room and Hermione hugs him. Well during that scene, she does a terrible job of talking in a worried/"i-can't-believe-it" voice. She takes a good ten-twenty seconds inbetween each phrase. I think it's a bit humorous the way she acts in the scene and is a fine example of how not to be Hermione Granger.
I think the most bothersome thing that has been mentioned is the fact (if it's true--I haven't verified it) that Emma Watson is anything but grateful for her role in Harry Potter. Celebrities in general do have to deal with a lot of not-so-fun things because of their fame, yet they've been given so much that anything but graciousness and courtesy from them is truly unbefitting.
Yes! I totally agree. A couple months ago I was watching some interview of her somewhere and she was complaining about how she has to wake up at 5:30-6ish and has so much demanded of her all day and how it becomes a really stressful job on site. I was with my mother at the time who said right back to the screen, "Oh yeah, and how much are you getting paid to wake up and live?"
It struck me humorous at the time but thinking about it later on. She doesn't really appreciate how lucky she is.
It struck me humorous at the time but thinking about it later on. She doesn't really appreciate how lucky she is.
I completely agree with everyone about Emma. I thought she was so cute in first movie, and actually played Hermione really well with the bushy hair and bossy, know-it-all demeanor. But her acting skills seem to be going slightly down hill. She is definitely trying too hard.
Like Harry James Potter said, I too found it funny how she acted when Harry first entered the bedroom in Grimauld Place. It felt way to rushed and fake and not at all concerned.
Another example is in PoA, when she says the Monster Book of Monsters is funny. If a person hadn't read the books, they'd have no idea what she was talking about.
I really like Alan Rickman as Snape. I think he does a great job, and I'm really looking forward to seeing him in HBP
I'm also looking forward to seeing Tom expand his role as Draco. I think he makes a great Malfoy, although, in things I've read and seen about him, he is completely different from Draco, which of course is a good thing. I know he was acting before HP but I think he'll always be Draco Malfoy to me.
Like Harry James Potter said, I too found it funny how she acted when Harry first entered the bedroom in Grimauld Place. It felt way to rushed and fake and not at all concerned.
Another example is in PoA, when she says the Monster Book of Monsters is funny. If a person hadn't read the books, they'd have no idea what she was talking about.
I really like Alan Rickman as Snape. I think he does a great job, and I'm really looking forward to seeing him in HBP
I'm also looking forward to seeing Tom expand his role as Draco. I think he makes a great Malfoy, although, in things I've read and seen about him, he is completely different from Draco, which of course is a good thing. I know he was acting before HP but I think he'll always be Draco Malfoy to me.
The following post will be a kind of short essay (I've always wanted to post here and now I did it, I've gone too far!), if we can call it like that, so I have two things two say first: sorry if you get bored or I get off topic for a moment, and I’ll try to make it as readable as I’m able.
This is a controversial topic, and so interesting to discuss, because there is no other way for us but talking judging from the outside. At least there’s a concealed star amongst us, any of us do know how exactly feels a celebrity, a teenager celebrity especially.
As we all know, actors and actresses are hugely exposed to, we can say, the “witnesses eyes” of the whole world, that’s obvious. In the case of older famous people, we can assume that not many children are interested in their matters. Of, course, the world is not just a children place: every sensationalistic person will be after them, that’s a small comfort, you could think. They should be careful, try to keep a cold head in most of the things they do and say, because everything will be recorded and could turn against them. Of course they don’t do it, never. But they’re old enough as to face (or not) the outcomings of their acts and so is the public that follows them.
Now well, a teenager o younger celebrity. They are followed, every step registered, by not only journalists and paparazzis, but by a young public of devotees (we know that kids and teenagers are a more loyal public), as well as (in many cases) their concerned parents. So, they should be the double of careful in their acts for two reasons. First, because they could be copied or also could disappoint them; second, because they will be judged harder, for being a kid. How could you ask a kid anything expecting that he’ll answer with a cold head? They say the first they think; not every teenager is fully conscious of what they want beyond what they are doing in that moment.
It’s surely difficult to be a celebrity. Honestly, I’d like and I’d feel honored to become a star, but I wouldn’t know how to deal with everything, not to mention that I’m now 17, but how does young stars manage their fame without help? Of a sudden, you have to wake up even earlier than you were used to; to stay 8 hours filming, trying to get on well with most, if not every, of the cast of actors and actresses; to attend to school or either study at home, in my case, I’d try to keep my grades high; to try not to attract the eyes of everybody wherever you go and at the same time, to be “the same guy” with your friends; to do all the usual things you have to do (like doctor’s appointments); to talk with the press, giving opinions you have no idea of what; to keep always a good presence … It’s too much for a kid.
Now let’s talk about the HP kids, because I reckon I made a quite long preface.
Many of you were discussing Emma Watson. Personally, I agree in that she was adorable in PS: physically perfect, bossy enough and well performed. After that, neither me nor (I’m sure) any of the fans could have imagined anybody else more suitable for the role of Hermione Granger. But early in CoS, she began being a bit overplayed. She was still lovely, though, and very like Hermione. Her performance, however, kept detaching from Hermione’s traits in the following movies. Her bossiness diluted; her hair became abruptly tidied; and sometimes, she exaggerated her acting.
I don’t think she’s the worst actress of the cast. I disagree in her non-Hermionish appearance (above all, her blond-dyed hair), but I even like how she plays her: she gives her a certain sweetness. But she’d definitely have to improve in other ways. Besides, if they choose her, she had to have beaten in some aspect the other girls casting for Hermione ( at least her parents had bribed them, or there were really few girls, or they were all very bad actresses)
I think (this could be a bit proud and silly, and I don’t think you care) that if I would have had the chance to be the Chosen One (Hermione, not Harry, by the way), I had done a better job. Physically talking, I’ve got a Hermione’s worthy hair, brown eyes, white skin that get a bit tanned (because Hermione wasn’t that pure white as Emma!), and pretty large front teeth. The disgrace is that my nose is horrible, I’m too thin and tall and I’m not pretty at all like Emma Watson, but otherwise, since the book never gave a stereotype beyond the main features named before, I’m not that bad.
And which is more important, my personality is Hermionish in most of ways. I’m annoyingly bossy and duties-bothering; I’ve got high grades (despite there’s a girl in my classroom that surpasses me); I love reading; I rather explain than lend my homework; I’d stay with my friends in the hardest moments, and some other minor things (I’d also add that I love Ronald Weasley and I care for house-elves but that’s just mental).
That would have definitely have helped me if I had been born in England, knew acting and casted as Hermione, to face the character.
Anyway, on the other hand, I do believe that Emma could be intelligent and she’s trying to continue with her well-off girl life (let’s take it on: she wasn’t starving before becoming one of the greatest characters of HP); judging by the lot of private photos of her I’ve seen, she looks like a funny girl, relaxed with her friends in anything that could suggest arrogance. But also, by certain commentaries she had made like the one you mentioned above, I also see her like a slightly light-headed girl. She’s now older and, I reckon, mature enough as to know what and how to say, but I think that commentary was a stupid complain. Also I’ve read she was a bit “traumatized” for having to be so non-girlish when playing Hermione. If she was a “fan” of the series, she should have known the character she was casting for and she should have to have bore it! Later she said that it was childish to have thought so; of course she will say that when the Hermione of the movie became so different from the Hermione of the book.
A friend told me not so long ago that he loved Emma Watson, but she was an ─ not exactly expression ─ ill-bred wealthy girl; that he had read a lot of interviews of her and she seemed stupid, but that’s not what we’re discussing. But I have to say that I don’t agree in that accusation about she’s not so pretty as to become Chanel’s new face; she is pretty and that’s something we can’t deny, and that has nothing to do with her performance.
All right; I talked too much about Emma Watson and even so, I can’t reach any conclusion about her, so I’ll continue with Daniel Radcliffe.
Many people have criticized him for acting in Equus. I’ve never seen neither the movie (well, once I caught a part, but I didn’t continue watching it) nor the play, but I get that he’s naked and smoking, if not playing certain scenes (which I caught in the movie). Do parents have a point in complaining about that?
When I found it out for the first time, I couldn’t describe how I felt. I admit I’m a bit childish sometimes, in the way of that I think I felt a bit disappointed. But then, I thought it a second time and I told to myself “He’s an actor; what do you expect? He don’t want to be stuck to Harry Potter all his life!”. And that’s the truth. The problem is, is Equus a good example for all the kids that followed him and maybe have his face papered on their wall? How do you explain to a kid that Daniel Radcliffe is not truly Harry Potter, that it is just a character?
These are the contradictions you have to face when you are an actor or actress. I’d be thorn between taking off my career as soon as I have the chance, and maintain a good impression for my fans. What to chose in those cases, heavens sake!
With regards to his personal life, he seems a nice boy, judging by interviews I’ve read (that aren’t a lot), concerned by people’s problems, curious, talkative; but I think he hasn’t said anything bad against Harry Potter. The things that annoys me about him are that he smoke (he’s too young!), and some other minor commentaries, but I think he’s both a good actor and a good boy. Oh, well, and he rocks in December Boys! Well performed, and it’s a good movie.
About his performance as Harry, I can’t imagine anybody better than him. He’s just like Harry, the only problem are his eyes! I know contact lens could be uncomfortable, but they could have changed their color by computer, I think.
Then, his acting. I like how he acts, but sometimes he’s slightly overacted, like when he cries in OotP and also in PoA. He’d have to improve that, because it doesn’t seems like he’s really crying.
In other aspects, I have nothing to complain about, I think.
Now, I irremediably have to talk about Rupert Grint. The thing, believe me or not, is that I have nothing to criticize him! Beyond the fact that I love him, he’s the only one I’ve never heard doing or saying something stupid.
He’s perfect as Ron Weasley, not only physically (ok, he’s a bit more muscular than Ron, but that’s sexy anyway) but the way he play him. He’s a very good actor; I also saw Driving Lessons and I have anything but applauses for him. Actually, nothing bad to say.
Let’s finishing my review of the HP kids, since I forgot the point I was trying to set … Oh, yeah, I got it.
Hope you have liked it! (Three pages in Word?! OMG! Why don’t they give us this kind of essays at school?)
This is a controversial topic, and so interesting to discuss, because there is no other way for us but talking judging from the outside. At least there’s a concealed star amongst us, any of us do know how exactly feels a celebrity, a teenager celebrity especially.
As we all know, actors and actresses are hugely exposed to, we can say, the “witnesses eyes” of the whole world, that’s obvious. In the case of older famous people, we can assume that not many children are interested in their matters. Of, course, the world is not just a children place: every sensationalistic person will be after them, that’s a small comfort, you could think. They should be careful, try to keep a cold head in most of the things they do and say, because everything will be recorded and could turn against them. Of course they don’t do it, never. But they’re old enough as to face (or not) the outcomings of their acts and so is the public that follows them.
Now well, a teenager o younger celebrity. They are followed, every step registered, by not only journalists and paparazzis, but by a young public of devotees (we know that kids and teenagers are a more loyal public), as well as (in many cases) their concerned parents. So, they should be the double of careful in their acts for two reasons. First, because they could be copied or also could disappoint them; second, because they will be judged harder, for being a kid. How could you ask a kid anything expecting that he’ll answer with a cold head? They say the first they think; not every teenager is fully conscious of what they want beyond what they are doing in that moment.
It’s surely difficult to be a celebrity. Honestly, I’d like and I’d feel honored to become a star, but I wouldn’t know how to deal with everything, not to mention that I’m now 17, but how does young stars manage their fame without help? Of a sudden, you have to wake up even earlier than you were used to; to stay 8 hours filming, trying to get on well with most, if not every, of the cast of actors and actresses; to attend to school or either study at home, in my case, I’d try to keep my grades high; to try not to attract the eyes of everybody wherever you go and at the same time, to be “the same guy” with your friends; to do all the usual things you have to do (like doctor’s appointments); to talk with the press, giving opinions you have no idea of what; to keep always a good presence … It’s too much for a kid.
Now let’s talk about the HP kids, because I reckon I made a quite long preface.
Many of you were discussing Emma Watson. Personally, I agree in that she was adorable in PS: physically perfect, bossy enough and well performed. After that, neither me nor (I’m sure) any of the fans could have imagined anybody else more suitable for the role of Hermione Granger. But early in CoS, she began being a bit overplayed. She was still lovely, though, and very like Hermione. Her performance, however, kept detaching from Hermione’s traits in the following movies. Her bossiness diluted; her hair became abruptly tidied; and sometimes, she exaggerated her acting.
I don’t think she’s the worst actress of the cast. I disagree in her non-Hermionish appearance (above all, her blond-dyed hair), but I even like how she plays her: she gives her a certain sweetness. But she’d definitely have to improve in other ways. Besides, if they choose her, she had to have beaten in some aspect the other girls casting for Hermione ( at least her parents had bribed them, or there were really few girls, or they were all very bad actresses
) I think (this could be a bit proud and silly, and I don’t think you care) that if I would have had the chance to be the Chosen One (Hermione, not Harry, by the way), I had done a better job. Physically talking, I’ve got a Hermione’s worthy hair, brown eyes, white skin that get a bit tanned (because Hermione wasn’t that pure white as Emma!), and pretty large front teeth. The disgrace is that my nose is horrible, I’m too thin and tall and I’m not pretty at all like Emma Watson, but otherwise, since the book never gave a stereotype beyond the main features named before, I’m not that bad.
And which is more important, my personality is Hermionish in most of ways. I’m annoyingly bossy and duties-bothering; I’ve got high grades (despite there’s a girl in my classroom that surpasses me); I love reading; I rather explain than lend my homework; I’d stay with my friends in the hardest moments, and some other minor things (I’d also add that I love Ronald Weasley and I care for house-elves but that’s just mental).
That would have definitely have helped me if I had been born in England, knew acting and casted as Hermione, to face the character.
Anyway, on the other hand, I do believe that Emma could be intelligent and she’s trying to continue with her well-off girl life (let’s take it on: she wasn’t starving before becoming one of the greatest characters of HP); judging by the lot of private photos of her I’ve seen, she looks like a funny girl, relaxed with her friends in anything that could suggest arrogance. But also, by certain commentaries she had made like the one you mentioned above, I also see her like a slightly light-headed girl. She’s now older and, I reckon, mature enough as to know what and how to say, but I think that commentary was a stupid complain. Also I’ve read she was a bit “traumatized” for having to be so non-girlish when playing Hermione. If she was a “fan” of the series, she should have known the character she was casting for and she should have to have bore it! Later she said that it was childish to have thought so; of course she will say that when the Hermione of the movie became so different from the Hermione of the book.
A friend told me not so long ago that he loved Emma Watson, but she was an ─ not exactly expression ─ ill-bred wealthy girl; that he had read a lot of interviews of her and she seemed stupid, but that’s not what we’re discussing. But I have to say that I don’t agree in that accusation about she’s not so pretty as to become Chanel’s new face; she is pretty and that’s something we can’t deny, and that has nothing to do with her performance.
All right; I talked too much about Emma Watson and even so, I can’t reach any conclusion about her, so I’ll continue with Daniel Radcliffe.
Many people have criticized him for acting in Equus. I’ve never seen neither the movie (well, once I caught a part, but I didn’t continue watching it) nor the play, but I get that he’s naked and smoking, if not playing certain scenes (which I caught in the movie). Do parents have a point in complaining about that?
When I found it out for the first time, I couldn’t describe how I felt. I admit I’m a bit childish sometimes, in the way of that I think I felt a bit disappointed. But then, I thought it a second time and I told to myself “He’s an actor; what do you expect? He don’t want to be stuck to Harry Potter all his life!”. And that’s the truth. The problem is, is Equus a good example for all the kids that followed him and maybe have his face papered on their wall? How do you explain to a kid that Daniel Radcliffe is not truly Harry Potter, that it is just a character?
These are the contradictions you have to face when you are an actor or actress. I’d be thorn between taking off my career as soon as I have the chance, and maintain a good impression for my fans. What to chose in those cases, heavens sake!
With regards to his personal life, he seems a nice boy, judging by interviews I’ve read (that aren’t a lot), concerned by people’s problems, curious, talkative; but I think he hasn’t said anything bad against Harry Potter. The things that annoys me about him are that he smoke (he’s too young!), and some other minor commentaries, but I think he’s both a good actor and a good boy. Oh, well, and he rocks in December Boys! Well performed, and it’s a good movie.
About his performance as Harry, I can’t imagine anybody better than him. He’s just like Harry, the only problem are his eyes! I know contact lens could be uncomfortable, but they could have changed their color by computer, I think.
Then, his acting. I like how he acts, but sometimes he’s slightly overacted, like when he cries in OotP and also in PoA. He’d have to improve that, because it doesn’t seems like he’s really crying.
In other aspects, I have nothing to complain about, I think.
Now, I irremediably have to talk about Rupert Grint. The thing, believe me or not, is that I have nothing to criticize him! Beyond the fact that I love him, he’s the only one I’ve never heard doing or saying something stupid.
He’s perfect as Ron Weasley, not only physically (ok, he’s a bit more muscular than Ron, but that’s sexy anyway) but the way he play him. He’s a very good actor; I also saw Driving Lessons and I have anything but applauses for him. Actually, nothing bad to say.
Let’s finishing my review of the HP kids, since I forgot the point I was trying to set … Oh, yeah, I got it.
Hope you have liked it! (Three pages in Word?! OMG! Why don’t they give us this kind of essays at school?)
The question is what sort of obligations do they have based on their roles in these movies?
I'm not too sure if I know what exactly you mean by obligation! But if your asking beings these kids are doing this series that they have to be able to be on call for any movies they want them to do for like a year and only for work the WB for that year. Then yes, I do believe they will do that!
Does this mean that the younger actors, those whose careers have been launched by the series, have a set of obligations that do not apply to other actors?
Well I was going to say "No", but beings its a series, I'm going to say yes! I mean young actors for series like Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings, they probably have different obligations than young actors that does different movies and not series! I mean I don't really know!
Should they be more careful than others about the roles they select in the future?
Nah, the actors and actresses they have selected for the first 5 movies were all wonderful actors and actresses and I believe they did very good in thier parts! Yes, even Umbridge and Snape.....LOL!
Does anyone feel like he should have passed on the role, at least for now while his name is so associated with Harry Potter?
Good lord no, I had told my cousin that if anyone else plays as Harry Potter I don't think I would even watch the movie. I mean Dan Radcliff is a wonderful Harry Potter and I don't really thin anyone else could do that part as well as him.
Or are the actors in the series completely justified in selecting any future role they feel like?
They can do any role they feel like.......after the series. LOL!
How much have the movies limited the type of roles the HP actors can take in the future?
I don't think they limited them at all. Because this series shows that these actors are very open minded and very virsitile (sp?).
Will the same thing happen with the HP actors?
I forgot to read what was before this question! Ooopppss!
If not, then what is it about the movies or the actors that will let them break free of the roles?
Well wouldn't they break free of the roles when the series is over? Or am I just not grasping this question? LOL!
What sort of roles do you see them taking in the future?
Well honestly, this is a hard question to answer! Because like I said above, this series shows people that they are very open minded and versitile (sp?). So I seriously think they could do any role you throw at them. LOL!
I'm not too sure if I know what exactly you mean by obligation! But if your asking beings these kids are doing this series that they have to be able to be on call for any movies they want them to do for like a year and only for work the WB for that year. Then yes, I do believe they will do that!
Does this mean that the younger actors, those whose careers have been launched by the series, have a set of obligations that do not apply to other actors?
Well I was going to say "No", but beings its a series, I'm going to say yes! I mean young actors for series like Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings, they probably have different obligations than young actors that does different movies and not series! I mean I don't really know!
Should they be more careful than others about the roles they select in the future?
Nah, the actors and actresses they have selected for the first 5 movies were all wonderful actors and actresses and I believe they did very good in thier parts! Yes, even Umbridge and Snape.....LOL!
Does anyone feel like he should have passed on the role, at least for now while his name is so associated with Harry Potter?
Good lord no, I had told my cousin that if anyone else plays as Harry Potter I don't think I would even watch the movie. I mean Dan Radcliff is a wonderful Harry Potter and I don't really thin anyone else could do that part as well as him.
Or are the actors in the series completely justified in selecting any future role they feel like?
They can do any role they feel like.......after the series. LOL!
How much have the movies limited the type of roles the HP actors can take in the future?
I don't think they limited them at all. Because this series shows that these actors are very open minded and very virsitile (sp?).
Will the same thing happen with the HP actors?
I forgot to read what was before this question! Ooopppss!
If not, then what is it about the movies or the actors that will let them break free of the roles?
Well wouldn't they break free of the roles when the series is over? Or am I just not grasping this question? LOL!
What sort of roles do you see them taking in the future?
Well honestly, this is a hard question to answer! Because like I said above, this series shows people that they are very open minded and versitile (sp?). So I seriously think they could do any role you throw at them. LOL!
I'd like to bring up another topic, another actor actually that has been mentioned very briefly here: Robert Pattison, playing Cedric Diggory.
As many of you may know, Robert will be playing Edward Cullen, from the Twilight series, a very discussed and highly appraised book series. Judging by his performance on the GoF, I think he will be able to pull it off pretty well, despite the fact that this role is a lot more serious not only being a leading one, but also being a role in a highly awaited film. What do you think? Will he be able to rise to our expectations? I have heard that a few people are not very excited about his being chosen as Edward.
Now, something else about him. Dorthy I think, mentioned that Robert had not read GoF and so, he was disappointed to find out that Cedric died, and thus, he would not participate in any more movies. It seems that Robert has not read Twilight either, not until he started shooting. In an interview he gave, I noticed that he didn't really understand his role, that he didn't realise the depth of his part. What bothers me is that I expect for actors of such movies to take it seriously. If I had been chosen for, let's say, the role of Bella I would read the books more thoroughly in order to really understand the way Bella's mind works. So, what do you think about that? Does Pattison sees acting as something impersonal? Will this affect his performance?
As many of you may know, Robert will be playing Edward Cullen, from the Twilight series, a very discussed and highly appraised book series. Judging by his performance on the GoF, I think he will be able to pull it off pretty well, despite the fact that this role is a lot more serious not only being a leading one, but also being a role in a highly awaited film. What do you think? Will he be able to rise to our expectations? I have heard that a few people are not very excited about his being chosen as Edward.
Now, something else about him. Dorthy I think, mentioned that Robert had not read GoF and so, he was disappointed to find out that Cedric died, and thus, he would not participate in any more movies. It seems that Robert has not read Twilight either, not until he started shooting. In an interview he gave, I noticed that he didn't really understand his role, that he didn't realise the depth of his part. What bothers me is that I expect for actors of such movies to take it seriously. If I had been chosen for, let's say, the role of Bella I would read the books more thoroughly in order to really understand the way Bella's mind works. So, what do you think about that? Does Pattison sees acting as something impersonal? Will this affect his performance?
Yes, I do believe that was the case with Robert Pattinson: he had not read Twilight prior to being cast for the much coveted role of Edward Cullen. However, I do believe he will pull the role off with aplomb, now that've drooled over all the trailers.
I am intensely curious to see how the Twilight popularity affects his success as an actor, both in the USA and abroad. It is a definite possibility that a hugely successful Twilight movie could propel Robert past Daniel Radcliff in terms of fan popularity. I recognize that Daniel has more movies under his belt, yet he is younger. Robert could move right from a more behind the scenes actor, to a super lead actor.
Yes, the other members of the trio are making movies, Daniel is coming to Broadway, Alan Rickman has long been an acknowledged actor, however Robert Pattinson coming into his own after so many years since GoF is exciting. I rarely go to the theatre preferring to await the DVD release for my own personal viewing, but I am going to see Twilight on the big screen...and it is just because of Robert.
I am intensely curious to see how the Twilight popularity affects his success as an actor, both in the USA and abroad. It is a definite possibility that a hugely successful Twilight movie could propel Robert past Daniel Radcliff in terms of fan popularity. I recognize that Daniel has more movies under his belt, yet he is younger. Robert could move right from a more behind the scenes actor, to a super lead actor.
Yes, the other members of the trio are making movies, Daniel is coming to Broadway, Alan Rickman has long been an acknowledged actor, however Robert Pattinson coming into his own after so many years since GoF is exciting. I rarely go to the theatre preferring to await the DVD release for my own personal viewing, but I am going to see Twilight on the big screen...and it is just because of Robert.
Let me get this off my chest: I'm a crazy Robert Pattinson fan girl. *breathes*
The fact that Robert didn't read GoF or Twilight really doesn't bother me, except it would have affected his acting abilities for Edward in Twilight. But, I've seen GoF millions of times, plus little clips of another film he's done, and I believe he could pull it off.
I'll try not to get too off topic here, but it would have been hard for Rober to play Edward anyways because the Twilight series is told in the other main character, Bella's, perspective. So either way, Edward wouldn't really have known his character well anyways, except for the obessive, perfect perspective Bella gives off. But S. Meyer gave a copy of her new novel Midnight Sun to Edward, which is Twilight in Edwar's P.O.V, and he said he read what was written of it, to better know his character.
As for being more popular as Danielle Radcliff- I think he will become a bigger fangirl craze than Radcliff. Twilight is a huge deal now that the final book has been relseased, and the movie is coming out, and Robert hasn't done anything too ... raunchy
to really have constraversy about it, unlike Danielle with his Broadway debut. the WB said that Radcliff's Broadway role was the reason for the Harry Potter release pushback, so I'm sure some people are very angry with Radcliff.
But, to add another point to how some say that actors cannot get into character if they don't read the series: I believe it was Micheal Gambone.. he never read Harry Potter. I'm not sure if he did to better understand Dumbledor, but I remember reading an interview of sorts, and he said he had never picked up a Harry Potter book in his life, and yet he starred in a few Harry Potter movies, and even though we've had quite a few Dumbledor actors throughout the series, I've always thought Dumbledor was portrayed quite well.
The fact that Robert didn't read GoF or Twilight really doesn't bother me, except it would have affected his acting abilities for Edward in Twilight. But, I've seen GoF millions of times, plus little clips of another film he's done, and I believe he could pull it off.
I'll try not to get too off topic here, but it would have been hard for Rober to play Edward anyways because the Twilight series is told in the other main character, Bella's, perspective. So either way, Edward wouldn't really have known his character well anyways, except for the obessive, perfect perspective Bella gives off. But S. Meyer gave a copy of her new novel Midnight Sun to Edward, which is Twilight in Edwar's P.O.V, and he said he read what was written of it, to better know his character.
As for being more popular as Danielle Radcliff- I think he will become a bigger fangirl craze than Radcliff. Twilight is a huge deal now that the final book has been relseased, and the movie is coming out, and Robert hasn't done anything too ... raunchy
to really have constraversy about it, unlike Danielle with his Broadway debut. the WB said that Radcliff's Broadway role was the reason for the Harry Potter release pushback, so I'm sure some people are very angry with Radcliff.But, to add another point to how some say that actors cannot get into character if they don't read the series: I believe it was Micheal Gambone.. he never read Harry Potter. I'm not sure if he did to better understand Dumbledor, but I remember reading an interview of sorts, and he said he had never picked up a Harry Potter book in his life, and yet he starred in a few Harry Potter movies, and even though we've had quite a few Dumbledor actors throughout the series, I've always thought Dumbledor was portrayed quite well.
Before I read the Twilight series I knew that Robert Pattinson would be playing Edward Cullen. However, when I started reading the books I pictured Edward completely different in my head!! As well as all the other characters. But Edward and Bella in particular. I hope Robert Pattinson is a good Edward, because I'm just nuts about Edward Cullen!! So I guess we'll see...
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I am really excited to see Robert Pattinson play Edward in Twilight. Like every other person who's read the book, I'm in love with Edward I just hope Robert gets it right. Is it really true that he didn't read the books?? That really bothers me, because you need to read it to get a sense of who the character is. Like other people have said, I heard too that S Meyer gave Robert a copy of Midnight Sun to help him understand his character. But he should also read the other books to see how Bella perceives him, that would only help him more. This book has a lot of fans, and I hope Robert really looked into his character and took the time to read the books.
I just hope Robert gets it right. Is it really true that he didn't read the books?? That really bothers me, because you need to read it to get a sense of who the character is. Like other people have said, I heard too that S Meyer gave Robert a copy of Midnight Sun to help him understand his character. But he should also read the other books to see how Bella perceives him, that would only help him more. This book has a lot of fans, and I hope Robert really looked into his character and took the time to read the books.
I only read Twilight once the movie was announced, so I knew that Robert Pattison would play Edward. Reading the book, and loving it, I could really picture Robert in the role, and I think he will portray the character brilliantly. As a few people have said, Edward is a big responsibility, as Edward is such a popular character (particuarly amongst the female fans!), and the actor playing him must bring a certain charm to the role, which I think Robert will do. I admit, I had not seen Robert in anything else before Goblet of Fire, but I was watching it recently, and I think that Robert will "dazzle" the viewers, just as Edward did the readers. I was unaware before reading the previous posts that he had not read Twilight before playing the role, which I'll admit troubles me a bit. As seen in the Harry Potter books, plots and characters are not always completely represented the way the story was meant by the author when recreated as films, and I personally think an actor must throughly research their character before filming, in order to fully understand the character they're playing, so they can stay true to the character that the author has written. Particuarly in a role so loved as Edwards, I think the fans will be utterly disppointed if Pattison does not deliver. However, I believe he will.
Well, yes, at first he hadn't read the books and it was pretty obvious since he couldn't express properly when asked about Edward. I mean, if someone has read Twilight, then they can talk about Edward's character. But he seemed a little bit ignorant. However, Stephenie Meyer gave him a copy of the Midnight Sun (that's where the leak came from I think), in order to help him have a better understanding of his role.
I have to admit that I watched GoF again only for his sakes. He's so handsome and he looks kind of like a vampire; his face is weird but very handsome at the same time.
I think that he will be a good Edward in the end. We will all be dazzled when we leave the cinema.
Do you think that this will boost his career positively? Will this affect his choices and behavior towards less big productions?
I have to admit that I watched GoF again only for his sakes. He's so handsome and he looks kind of like a vampire; his face is weird but very handsome at the same time.
I think that he will be a good Edward in the end. We will all be dazzled when we leave the cinema. Do you think that this will boost his career positively? Will this affect his choices and behavior towards less big productions?
Do you think that this will boost his career positively? Will this affect his choices and behavior towards less big productions?
Well if he does well with this character then it will definately boost his career postively. But then on the other hand if he fails miserabely then of course it will not boost his career probably at all. LOL! But he was a pretty good Cedric for the very short time that he was Cedric so I think he will do good as any character they throw at him. But I can't really say that he will make a good Edward.......I myself have never read Twilight.
I think he will try to go for maybe medium size productions. LOL! If there is such a thing in the show biz. Right now, he would probably rather not do series, but hey who really knows whats going through his mind but him right! LOL!
Well if he does well with this character then it will definately boost his career postively. But then on the other hand if he fails miserabely then of course it will not boost his career probably at all. LOL! But he was a pretty good Cedric for the very short time that he was Cedric so I think he will do good as any character they throw at him. But I can't really say that he will make a good Edward.......I myself have never read Twilight.
I think he will try to go for maybe medium size productions. LOL! If there is such a thing in the show biz.
Right now, he would probably rather not do series, but hey who really knows whats going through his mind but him right! LOL!
Viewing a new picture of Dan Radcliffe for his Broadway Equus reprisal, which can be seen here with a partial nudity warning, brought me back to this thread.
Robert Pattinson didn't seem to have an idea of the enormous popularity the fictional Edward Cullen garnered. Edward Cullen is a teen phenomenon, as well as having quite the adult following. Robert persevered intense negativity for his portrayal of the "perfect" Edward Cullen when first cast, but now seems to be having no difficulty winning fans over two months before the movie's release.
Dan's popularity obviously enhances his movie roles, but I wonder how fans will react to Robert after Twilight hits the big screen? Will his popularity soar on the heat of such an eagerly awaited film?
Dan is riding Harry Potter from beginning to end, surely Robert can provide his own vehicle for taking Edward Cullen through the Twilight stories to a final conclusion. I just wonder if the fan base will remain steadfast for so many years of filming, should all four films be produced. Personally, I waited to see OOTP until it came out on DVD, and I bought it. I don't have the patience to wait for the DVD release of Twilight...and I want the DVD, too!
Robert Pattinson didn't seem to have an idea of the enormous popularity the fictional Edward Cullen garnered. Edward Cullen is a teen phenomenon, as well as having quite the adult following. Robert persevered intense negativity for his portrayal of the "perfect" Edward Cullen when first cast, but now seems to be having no difficulty winning fans over two months before the movie's release.
Dan's popularity obviously enhances his movie roles, but I wonder how fans will react to Robert after Twilight hits the big screen? Will his popularity soar on the heat of such an eagerly awaited film?
Dan is riding Harry Potter from beginning to end, surely Robert can provide his own vehicle for taking Edward Cullen through the Twilight stories to a final conclusion. I just wonder if the fan base will remain steadfast for so many years of filming, should all four films be produced. Personally, I waited to see OOTP until it came out on DVD, and I bought it. I don't have the patience to wait for the DVD release of Twilight...and I want the DVD, too!
When I first heard that Rob was playing Edward, I thought, "Eh. . . he's alright, I guess." But then I watched GoF again, and when he first jumped out of the tree when they were on their way to the Quidditch World Cup, I thought, "Oh yeah, I think he'll be an awesome vampire!" Then. . . I saw this picture and I thought, "Oh my, he's perfect!" Still different from what's in my head when I read and re-read the books, but I think he'll be great.
I also read somewhere here online (I don't remember where) that the casting director was 'underwhelmed' when she first saw him there to audition. But when he read a scene with Kristin (Bella), she was like, "Oh, he's definitely Edward!" Which gives me extreme hope that Robert will propel past all the nay sayers and earn thumbs up from all of them.
I for one will be at the theater on opening night. I can't wait!
As far as it boosting his career, well, that depends on how well he does. But I think he'll do great, so I'll have to say yes, it will boost his career.
I also read somewhere here online (I don't remember where) that the casting director was 'underwhelmed' when she first saw him there to audition. But when he read a scene with Kristin (Bella), she was like, "Oh, he's definitely Edward!" Which gives me extreme hope that Robert will propel past all the nay sayers and earn thumbs up from all of them.
I for one will be at the theater on opening night. I can't wait!
As far as it boosting his career, well, that depends on how well he does. But I think he'll do great, so I'll have to say yes, it will boost his career.
Well, I think that in the end he'll pull it off. I was watching some videos on youtube yesterday, and what I gathered is that when interviews are concerned, Robert Pattinson is...well, pathetic. It takes him 10 minutes to answer the simplest question, and I bet that "I dunno" is his most favorite expression!
But when the cameras roll, he just becomes someone else. That intense look of his in the picture zwillo linked, wow! I can imagine him using this during the film. Have you seen that scene where he is with Bella/Kristen and he says to her "-Are you afraid of me?" "-No." "-You shouldn't have said that." (something like that), and then smiles, and grabs her? This made my heart stop! It was breathtaking!
So, honestly I really think and hope he'll make it.
The only problem that may occur is the age issue. If they decide to make the other three movies as well, by the time they are done, he will be older and that will show. And not only him, but the rest of the characters as well. Who knows?
I'll just enjoy Twilight when it is released. I'll worry about the rest later!
But when the cameras roll, he just becomes someone else. That intense look of his in the picture zwillo linked, wow! I can imagine him using this during the film. Have you seen that scene where he is with Bella/Kristen and he says to her "-Are you afraid of me?" "-No." "-You shouldn't have said that." (something like that), and then smiles, and grabs her? This made my heart stop! It was breathtaking!
So, honestly I really think and hope he'll make it.
The only problem that may occur is the age issue. If they decide to make the other three movies as well, by the time they are done, he will be older and that will show. And not only him, but the rest of the characters as well. Who knows?
I'll just enjoy Twilight when it is released. I'll worry about the rest later!
Alkisti, never have I considered that Edward Culled did not age, but Harry Potter did! It's perfectly natural for Dan to get older with each successive movie along with his character; Edward should not change. Perhaps makeup can make the difference for the additional movies, should they be filmed. However, looking at Robert, there is nothing 17 about him! So, maybe it won't matter. Bella will age and perhaps that will be the focus.
Movie magic will surely come to the rescue!
Moving to the Harry Potter dimension, I just recently recognized the young man playing Tom Riddle in the upcoming HBP movie is the nephew of Ralph Fiennes, which explains the striking similarity between the Voldemort of OOTP and the young Tom Riddle in the orphanage stills from the upcoming HBP. Clever idea and very believable.
Movie magic will surely come to the rescue!
Moving to the Harry Potter dimension, I just recently recognized the young man playing Tom Riddle in the upcoming HBP movie is the nephew of Ralph Fiennes, which explains the striking similarity between the Voldemort of OOTP and the young Tom Riddle in the orphanage stills from the upcoming HBP. Clever idea and very believable.
I don't think the aging will be a problem unless they wait years in between the films. The entire cast of Twilight has already reached adulthood, therefore we won't see the aging like we did in Harry Potter. For example, when you watch the Harry Potter films, you can see a definite change in the children, because they had grown. But take a look at the adults. . . The Dursleys. . . The Professors. . . It's almost as if there was no change at all, though it has been years since SS/PS. And now that Dan, Emma and Rupert have reached adulthood as well, I don't think there will be any more changes in them from OOTP to DH 1 and 2
Now if the Cullens had been frozen at the ages of eleven or twelve, we might have a problem. But even if the rest of the Twilight movies take five or six years to complete, I think the most that will change on any of the cast is maybe an early gray hair or two. Faces and bodies of adults maturing is much less apparent, and it's something that is easily remedied with makeup.
alkisti~
I'm so glad I'm not the only one that noticed that.
Sirren~ Yes, casting Ralph Fiennes' nephew as Tom Riddle was a very clever idea indeed.
Now if the Cullens had been frozen at the ages of eleven or twelve, we might have a problem. But even if the rest of the Twilight movies take five or six years to complete, I think the most that will change on any of the cast is maybe an early gray hair or two. Faces and bodies of adults maturing is much less apparent, and it's something that is easily remedied with makeup.
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when interviews are concerned, Robert Pattinson is...well, pathetic. It takes him 10 minutes to answer the simplest question, and I bet that "I dunno" is his most favorite expression!
I'm so glad I'm not the only one that noticed that.
Sirren~ Yes, casting Ralph Fiennes' nephew as Tom Riddle was a very clever idea indeed.
No matter how much I enjoy all the Robert Pattinson talk, I want to take this conversation to another secondary actor: Imelda Staunton, more known as Dolores Umbridge.
I happened to watch yesterday a movie where she starred, Vera Drake for those who have seen it. At first, even though I wanted to watch the movie, when I realized who had the leading part I gasped and hissed at her picture.
However, I have to admit that by the time the movie had ended, I no longer remember of Dolores Umbridge. Actually, i don't think I can be angry at her anymore.
My question is this: How much are we affected by the HP roles? We've already discussed about the leading parts, but what about the secondary heroes? Will Imelda always remind us of Umbridge? Or the twins, if they star in a movie, will we look at them as Fred and George? This is important, especially for younger people who got to know several actors through Harry Potter. And, do you think that their motivation towards these parts were the fame they'd gain afterwards, even if that may "spoil" their image?
I happened to watch yesterday a movie where she starred, Vera Drake for those who have seen it. At first, even though I wanted to watch the movie, when I realized who had the leading part I gasped and hissed at her picture.
However, I have to admit that by the time the movie had ended, I no longer remember of Dolores Umbridge. Actually, i don't think I can be angry at her anymore.
My question is this: How much are we affected by the HP roles? We've already discussed about the leading parts, but what about the secondary heroes? Will Imelda always remind us of Umbridge? Or the twins, if they star in a movie, will we look at them as Fred and George? This is important, especially for younger people who got to know several actors through Harry Potter. And, do you think that their motivation towards these parts were the fame they'd gain afterwards, even if that may "spoil" their image?
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My question is this: How much are we affected by the HP roles? We've already discussed about the leading parts, but what about the secondary heroes? Will Imelda always remind us of Umbridge? Or the twins, if they star in a movie, will we look at them as Fred and George? This is important, especially for younger people who got to know several actors through Harry Potter. And, do you think that their motivation towards these parts were the fame they'd gain afterwards, even if that may "spoil" their image?
Well, as in the case of James and Oliver Phelps, I think that they could easily break free of Fred and George. Mostly, because I've seen pictures of them that had nothing to do with HP and they look completely different.
But take the actors that play Dudley, Neville, Crabbe and Goyle, I think they might have a harder time. I don't know why, but that's just my opinion. Perhaps if I were to see them in another movie I might change my mind.
As far as spoiling their HP image, I think that a lot of the actors will try getting out of the Harry Potter image and take on roles that are completely opposite of the character that made them famous. Dan and his role in 'Equus' is a perfect example of that.
My question is this: How much are we affected by the HP roles? We've already discussed about the leading parts, but what about the secondary heroes? Will Imelda always remind us of Umbridge? Or the twins, if they star in a movie, will we look at them as Fred and George? This is important, especially for younger people who got to know several actors through Harry Potter. And, do you think that their motivation towards these parts were the fame they'd gain afterwards, even if that may "spoil" their image?
I have always wondered that myself. I think that Dan will always be known as "Harry Potter" no matter how many other films and productions he does later on. I agree with zwillo about charactors like Dudley, Crabbe and Goyle breaking out of the mold of their "stereotypes" they may or may not be taken serioulsy later on down the road to have a role as a serious charactor. That seems to happen alot with Hollywood actors, for example the guy that played Jethro on "The Beverly Hillbillies", aftyer playing that part for so many years was never again able to get any other roles for anything because producers thought that he was just as dumb in real life as he was on the show.
I don't see anyone getting "spoiled" by their image, just maybe some of them not being able to have bigger more serious roles later on because of the way the viewing audience sees them in HP.
I have always wondered that myself. I think that Dan will always be known as "Harry Potter" no matter how many other films and productions he does later on. I agree with zwillo about charactors like Dudley, Crabbe and Goyle breaking out of the mold of their "stereotypes" they may or may not be taken serioulsy later on down the road to have a role as a serious charactor. That seems to happen alot with Hollywood actors, for example the guy that played Jethro on "The Beverly Hillbillies", aftyer playing that part for so many years was never again able to get any other roles for anything because producers thought that he was just as dumb in real life as he was on the show.
I don't see anyone getting "spoiled" by their image, just maybe some of them not being able to have bigger more serious roles later on because of the way the viewing audience sees them in HP.
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My question is this: How much are we affected by the HP roles? We've already discussed about the leading parts, but what about the secondary heroes? Will Imelda always remind us of Umbridge? Or the twins, if they star in a movie, will we look at them as Fred and George? This is important, especially for younger people who got to know several actors through Harry Potter. And, do you think that their motivation towards these parts were the fame they'd gain afterwards, even if that may "spoil" their image?
Good question, I really think it depends on the character, and the skill of the actor. I've seen Dan in other things, and had trouble to adjusting to him not playing Harry, but Emma and Rupert I have seen in a few films and I was easily thrust into the story and their new characters. Rupert Grint I think will be a big star later, he is a trult talented actor that can be flexible in his acting skills, and I think any actor like that, whether they be main character or secondary role, will be able to change the audiences view of who they are. Alan Rickman, for instance. I first saw him as Snape, and then saw him in Sense and Sensibility. What different roles, yet he played them both so brilliantly, and even after loving him in SaS, I can go right back to hating him in Harry Potter. That's the mark of a good actor, really. So I think I could see the secondaty characters in different roles, if they prove to me that they can be flexible.
Moving on to the second part of the question, I think for some of them that may have been the case, this would be their debut to the big screen, and what better way to break into Hollywood than by being part of a world-wide phenomenon? As for the next bit, I agree with DracosLady in that their image wouldnt be spoiled, rather tainted by their first role, which would make it hard for viewers to see them otherwise.
I'm glad that you mentioned Ali this movie. Actually, I want to talk a little bit about Alan Rickman.
Before Harry Potter, I hadn't heard of him or seen him in any movies. It was after Harry Potter that I got to recognize him. His Snape role suits him so perfect it amazes me. If there is one person I'd like to see more in the movies, it is Snape because of Alan Rickman's performance. He has captured the essence of the role, and you can really feel a vibe around him, an unidentified mystery. I had read a reportage by a journalist when GoF was released. He had been to England to attend a few of the shootings for the promotion of the film. What impressed me was a tiny little comment he had made. He had said that of all the actors, the one that captured his attention was Alan Rickman. He said that it was something about his presence that made him feel terrified. He passed behind him and he felt as if something passed right through him.
Now, we have another role of the bad guy, in Die Hard I. Sadly, this role did not give Alan the chance to demonstrate his acting abilities that much, because his part was like every other villain's. But still, he was pretty good at it. I had no idea he played in that movie, and I was quite amazed when I realized it.
On the opposite side, we have two good parts played by him. One is in Love Actually and the other in Sense and Sensibility. Love Actually was alright I guess, but nothing too great for Rickman. Sense and Sensibility on the other hand, was a great portrayal of his talent. If one wants to see how good of an actor he is, they can watch both Harry Potter and SaS. He played the nice guy, the hurt one who loves without being loved, who tries to defeat the opponent. He was so sweet, so caring, I felt really sorry for him. Nothing Snape-like crossed my mind while watching the movie. Again, he had an aura in this film too. As if he is distinguished by the rest, which I guess is part of both roles (HP and SaS). I'm not a big fan of Austen's books, but I'd certainly read that one, having in mind Alan Rickman when his character appears.
Before Harry Potter, I hadn't heard of him or seen him in any movies. It was after Harry Potter that I got to recognize him. His Snape role suits him so perfect it amazes me. If there is one person I'd like to see more in the movies, it is Snape because of Alan Rickman's performance. He has captured the essence of the role, and you can really feel a vibe around him, an unidentified mystery. I had read a reportage by a journalist when GoF was released. He had been to England to attend a few of the shootings for the promotion of the film. What impressed me was a tiny little comment he had made. He had said that of all the actors, the one that captured his attention was Alan Rickman. He said that it was something about his presence that made him feel terrified. He passed behind him and he felt as if something passed right through him.
Now, we have another role of the bad guy, in Die Hard I. Sadly, this role did not give Alan the chance to demonstrate his acting abilities that much, because his part was like every other villain's. But still, he was pretty good at it. I had no idea he played in that movie, and I was quite amazed when I realized it.
On the opposite side, we have two good parts played by him. One is in Love Actually and the other in Sense and Sensibility. Love Actually was alright I guess, but nothing too great for Rickman. Sense and Sensibility on the other hand, was a great portrayal of his talent. If one wants to see how good of an actor he is, they can watch both Harry Potter and SaS. He played the nice guy, the hurt one who loves without being loved, who tries to defeat the opponent. He was so sweet, so caring, I felt really sorry for him. Nothing Snape-like crossed my mind while watching the movie. Again, he had an aura in this film too. As if he is distinguished by the rest, which I guess is part of both roles (HP and SaS). I'm not a big fan of Austen's books, but I'd certainly read that one, having in mind Alan Rickman when his character appears.
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My question is this: How much are we affected by the HP roles? We've already discussed about the leading parts, but what about the secondary heroes? Will Imelda always remind us of Umbridge? Or the twins, if they star in a movie, will we look at them as Fred and George? This is important, especially for younger people who got to know several actors through Harry Potter. And, do you think that their motivation towards these parts were the fame they'd gain afterwards, even if that may "spoil" their image?
Considering the calibre of the older actors, I am not much affected by seeing them in other roles. In fact I had seen most of them in other roles before the first movie had even come out. As for the younger actors, I don't think the leads will have much trouble breaking out of their Harry Potter role, if they make the right decisions with the projects they choose to pursue. The peripheral characters such as Dudley and Neville may have a harder time of it, or they could go the other way and make a name for themselves as character actors, like Tom Hollander or Brenda Blethyn.
Just out of curiousity, has anyone been priviledged enough to view Dan in either his London or New York performances of Equus?
I think it would be incredibly interesting to know how a VTM member felt about his performance as an actor in a genre so far removed from HP.
Perhaps someone knows someone that has been lucky enough to see his performance?
I think it would be incredibly interesting to know how a VTM member felt about his performance as an actor in a genre so far removed from HP.
Perhaps someone knows someone that has been lucky enough to see his performance?
Oh, I wish I could see Equus, I want to see Dan outside HP, and to see him in his raw talen onstage, no big screen movies would be so cool.
I noticed so many people mentioned Alan Rickman, and that makes me very exicted. I am in love with Alan Rickman, and I've seen a fair amount of his movies. I'm only sixteen, but I've always been around old movies. My grandfather loves Die Hard, and I remember watching it one day and reconizing Alan Rickman. After I watched a few of his movies, I definetly have to say he's up there on my top favorite actors. He just has this amazing, raw talent to him, and his voice is fantastic. I think that's why I love him as Snape so much. Also, in a newer of his movies: Judge Turpin in Sweeney Todd. He blew me away in that movie, I loved the character he played.
Another Harry Potter actress I love is Helena Bohnam Carter. I might have mentioned her on this thread before, but I've seen almost all her movies. I just abseloutely loved her as Bellatrix, and when I found out she would be playing her I was so exicted. I knew about her before she was cast for Harry Potter, and she did an awsome job as Bella, I loved her evil side. She always goes over and beyond in all her movie roles.
I noticed so many people mentioned Alan Rickman, and that makes me very exicted. I am in love with Alan Rickman, and I've seen a fair amount of his movies. I'm only sixteen, but I've always been around old movies. My grandfather loves Die Hard, and I remember watching it one day and reconizing Alan Rickman. After I watched a few of his movies, I definetly have to say he's up there on my top favorite actors. He just has this amazing, raw talent to him, and his voice is fantastic. I think that's why I love him as Snape so much. Also, in a newer of his movies: Judge Turpin in Sweeney Todd. He blew me away in that movie, I loved the character he played.
Another Harry Potter actress I love is Helena Bohnam Carter. I might have mentioned her on this thread before, but I've seen almost all her movies. I just abseloutely loved her as Bellatrix, and when I found out she would be playing her I was so exicted. I knew about her before she was cast for Harry Potter, and she did an awsome job as Bella, I loved her evil side. She always goes over and beyond in all her movie roles.
I just recently viewed either Helena Bohnam Carter's first or nearly first movie: Theory of Flight. She was amazing! I will not tell anything of the movie here, for it is an older movie (1991) and perhaps only released in the UK? My brother brought it with him on his last visit for me to watch.
If you have the opportunity to see it, do so! You will not be let down.
I'm a huge Alan Rickman fan. One of his latest films, Snowcake, is a great example of his range in characters. He can be very ordinary.
If you have the opportunity to see it, do so! You will not be let down.
I'm a huge Alan Rickman fan. One of his latest films, Snowcake, is a great example of his range in characters. He can be very ordinary.
I've only watched Sweeney Todd as to compare Helena's Boham-Carter different performances, and as she plays an almost insane woman, I couldn't seen her in a way too different. But I really liked her role there, it was great, she was even good to sing. I'd like to see her in a completely different movie, though. I've seen Alan Rickman there too, then just a moment in a movie about hair-dressers, where he was a hair-dresser indeed (I think my mother watched it fully and said it was very good) and in another movie I can't recall, but yes, I think he's a great actor who can face any challenge in regards to characters.
No, I haven't seen Equus and I'm too far to see it. I've seen Dan in December Boys; it's a great film, it made all of us cry (actually, almost cry: but even my boy cousin said he wanted to cry!) and Daniel shows he's a good actor, on the making, we could say, but still very good.
You might laugh, but I had seen Sleepy Hollow a thousands times, and the last time I watched it, after a long time, I realized of ... who acts there? Richard Griffitts (sp? - Uncle Vernon) and Michael Gambon! But they look so different! It's unbelievable to see Dumbledore playing Mr Van Tessel.
About Imelda Staunton, I think her rising was with Vera Drake, I think the movie was called so, but I've never seen it. I've seen her acting in Nanny McPhee, and also in Too much ado about nothing.
In my opinion, I suppose the actors had to had guessed that HP was going to be a success, the old, experienced actors, I'm meaning. They must have considered it seriously the fact that young people from all around the world was going to know them by HP. It happens in my case too: I was too young when SS was released, and I didn't know any of the actors. I found about most of them in previous movies now I'm older. Even now, I had heard about Imelda from Vera Drake, but if I had seen that movie, and it had cause me something, now perhaps I wouldn't think of her as Umbridge. Michael Gambon is a well-known actor, has played as countless Shakespeare's characters and in a lot of movies, yet I knew anything about that until I saw the Extras in PoA, and the same goes for Hagrid (see, I don't even remember the poor man's name!)
I think that everybody had their own motivations: some could have felt up to do something new, fresh, different, some could have been tempted by the afterward fame, and so on. But I think we all the people who knew them by HP, even watching a pre or a post movie that shocks us will think of them as "the HP actors", even when we know they aren't only that and even when we know that they're amazing actors.
I don't know if you have already talked about this, but when watching a movie with a secondary (let's say) actor from HP, are you comparing the difference between his/her characters or you just enjoy the film?
No, I haven't seen Equus and I'm too far to see it. I've seen Dan in December Boys; it's a great film, it made all of us cry (actually, almost cry: but even my boy cousin said he wanted to cry!) and Daniel shows he's a good actor, on the making, we could say, but still very good.
You might laugh, but I had seen Sleepy Hollow a thousands times, and the last time I watched it, after a long time, I realized of ... who acts there? Richard Griffitts (sp? - Uncle Vernon) and Michael Gambon! But they look so different! It's unbelievable to see Dumbledore playing Mr Van Tessel.
About Imelda Staunton, I think her rising was with Vera Drake, I think the movie was called so, but I've never seen it. I've seen her acting in Nanny McPhee, and also in Too much ado about nothing.
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My question is this: How much are we affected by the HP roles? We've already discussed about the leading parts, but what about the secondary heroes? Will Imelda always remind us of Umbridge? Or the twins, if they star in a movie, will we look at them as Fred and George? This is important, especially for younger people who got to know several actors through Harry Potter. And, do you think that their motivation towards these parts were the fame they'd gain afterwards, even if that may "spoil" their image?
In my opinion, I suppose the actors had to had guessed that HP was going to be a success, the old, experienced actors, I'm meaning. They must have considered it seriously the fact that young people from all around the world was going to know them by HP. It happens in my case too: I was too young when SS was released, and I didn't know any of the actors. I found about most of them in previous movies now I'm older. Even now, I had heard about Imelda from Vera Drake, but if I had seen that movie, and it had cause me something, now perhaps I wouldn't think of her as Umbridge. Michael Gambon is a well-known actor, has played as countless Shakespeare's characters and in a lot of movies, yet I knew anything about that until I saw the Extras in PoA, and the same goes for Hagrid (see, I don't even remember the poor man's name!)
I think that everybody had their own motivations: some could have felt up to do something new, fresh, different, some could have been tempted by the afterward fame, and so on. But I think we all the people who knew them by HP, even watching a pre or a post movie that shocks us will think of them as "the HP actors", even when we know they aren't only that and even when we know that they're amazing actors.
I don't know if you have already talked about this, but when watching a movie with a secondary (let's say) actor from HP, are you comparing the difference between his/her characters or you just enjoy the film?
DeSs~ I watched the new Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (the one with Johnny Depp) a month or so ago, and Helena Bonham-Carter was in it! Granted, it isn't a big part, she plays Charlie's mother. But it is very different from her performance as Bellatrix Lestrange. She is a very caring, loving mother in it. But I for one still had a hard time getting the picture of the laughing lunatic death eater out of my head.
But that is the only other movie I've seen her in.
But that is the only other movie I've seen her in.
Again, thanks zwillo for the tip! I'll watch it carefully, because I couldn't believe it was her
Now, I wanted to sa what I've recently realized of earlier today, while watching tv: David Thewlis is acting in The Boy in the Striped Pajamas. So, that also proves that, even when he knew he was going to be known by the young people because of his role as Remus Lupin, the werewolf in HP, he, along with most of the HP actors, younger and older, is still doing his best to try to remain in people's mind like something beyond that. I think that the movie is extremely interesting (it's based on a book, actually), about a topic that ashames us as humanity and society, and it's always worth to talk about this to teach children and people who hasn't been fully informed, and not let this kind of horrors happen again.
Now, I wanted to sa what I've recently realized of earlier today, while watching tv: David Thewlis is acting in The Boy in the Striped Pajamas. So, that also proves that, even when he knew he was going to be known by the young people because of his role as Remus Lupin, the werewolf in HP, he, along with most of the HP actors, younger and older, is still doing his best to try to remain in people's mind like something beyond that. I think that the movie is extremely interesting (it's based on a book, actually), about a topic that ashames us as humanity and society, and it's always worth to talk about this to teach children and people who hasn't been fully informed, and not let this kind of horrors happen again.
My brother came to visit from the Bay Area last fall and he brought with him a movie he'd ordered from England. Helena Bonham-Carter was the lead female. For the life of me I cannot recall the movie title, however, it was her first movie lead. It was directed by Tim Burton, though. She played a woman wheelchair bound, and she was dying. Anyone know the film?
Admittedly, the movie was fantastic! I laughed, cried, sat on the edge of my seat...the whole nine yards.
Admittedly, the movie was fantastic! I laughed, cried, sat on the edge of my seat...the whole nine yards.
Sirren, I read your post today and I could not recall such a movie, but later I was zapping through the channels and caught up with a movie called Sixty Six, when she was the wife of a Jewish family who had some problems. I didn't fully understand since I saw from the half on, and thought it was the movie you mentioned, but now I read again that she was on a wheel chair, so it's not. I looked up in Wikipedia and it's amazing the lots of movies, mainly because I didn't know she had taken part in some of them! Here's the list, and perhaps you can find the one you say:
1983 A Pattern of Roses
1985 A Room with a Viewr
1986 Lady Jane
1987 Maurice
A Hazard of Hearts
The Vision
1988 La Maschera
Six Minutes with Ludwig
1989 Francesco
Getting It Right
Arms and the Man
1990 Hamlet
1991 Where Angels Fear to Tread
1992 Howards End Helen Schlegel
1993 Dancing Queen
1994 Mary Shelley's Frankenstein
Fatal Deception: Mrs. Lee Harvey Oswald
A Dark-Adapted Eye
Butter
1995 Mighty Aphrodite
Margaret's Museum
Jeremy Hardy Gives Good Sex
1996 Twelfth Night: Or What You Will
Portraits chinois
1997 The Petticoat Expeditions
Keep the Aspidistra Flying
The Wings of the Dove
1998 Merlin
Sweet Revenge
The Theory of Flight
1999 Fight Club
Women Talking Dirty
The Nearly Complete and Utter History of Everything
2000 Carnivale
2001 Planet of the Apes
Novocaine
Football
2002 The Heart of Me
Live From Baghdad
Till Human Voices Wake Us
2003 Big Fish
Henry VIII
2004 Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events
2005 Conversations with Other Women
Magnificent 7
Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit
Tim Burton's Corpse Bride
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
2006 Sixty Six
2007 Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
2009 Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince Bellatrix Lestrange
Terminator Salvation
Lorelei
2010 Alice in Wonderland
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 1
2011 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2
Yay, isn't so exciting to actually read Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows??
1983 A Pattern of Roses
1985 A Room with a Viewr
1986 Lady Jane
1987 Maurice
A Hazard of Hearts
The Vision
1988 La Maschera
Six Minutes with Ludwig
1989 Francesco
Getting It Right
Arms and the Man
1990 Hamlet
1991 Where Angels Fear to Tread
1992 Howards End Helen Schlegel
1993 Dancing Queen
1994 Mary Shelley's Frankenstein
Fatal Deception: Mrs. Lee Harvey Oswald
A Dark-Adapted Eye
Butter
1995 Mighty Aphrodite
Margaret's Museum
Jeremy Hardy Gives Good Sex
1996 Twelfth Night: Or What You Will
Portraits chinois
1997 The Petticoat Expeditions
Keep the Aspidistra Flying
The Wings of the Dove
1998 Merlin
Sweet Revenge
The Theory of Flight
1999 Fight Club
Women Talking Dirty
The Nearly Complete and Utter History of Everything
2000 Carnivale
2001 Planet of the Apes
Novocaine
Football
2002 The Heart of Me
Live From Baghdad
Till Human Voices Wake Us
2003 Big Fish
Henry VIII
2004 Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events
2005 Conversations with Other Women
Magnificent 7
Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit
Tim Burton's Corpse Bride
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
2006 Sixty Six
2007 Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
2009 Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince Bellatrix Lestrange
Terminator Salvation
Lorelei
2010 Alice in Wonderland
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 1
2011 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2
Yay, isn't so exciting to actually read Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows??
DeSs~! It is indeed on your list. The title is "The Theory Of Flight."
I did a search on her movies, but I either didn't find this title or I just missed it in my perusal.
The movie was neither her first, nor directed by Tim Burton as I"d thought. The movie was released in 1998 and directed by Paul Greengrass.
If anyone can get their hands on the movie, I give it five stars!
Gosh, thanks so much for taking the time to list all her movies. I don't know how I missed it in my search.
I did a search on her movies, but I either didn't find this title or I just missed it in my perusal.
The movie was neither her first, nor directed by Tim Burton as I"d thought. The movie was released in 1998 and directed by Paul Greengrass.
If anyone can get their hands on the movie, I give it five stars!
Gosh, thanks so much for taking the time to list all her movies. I don't know how I missed it in my search.
Well I could probably go on for hours about the actors, but I'll try my hardest to keep it short..
Well for me I was actually surprised when I saw who was playing in the movies. I loved seeing Alan Rickman! I was totally excited when i saw him in PS. I did know him from many movies before. First time I saw him was in 1991 or 1992 I believe in Robin Hood. Awesome movie! Still one of my favorites, then thru sense and sensibility. dogma. All I can remember off the top of my head right now. But truly one of my fav actors!
Maggie Smith! What a wonderful actress I saw her the first time in the movie Secret Garden I was about 14 at the time. And again in sister act, first wives club, many movies and I've loved watching her with her quick wit and charm! Pleasantly surprised seeing her in the role of McGonagall. I couldn't really see anyone else playing her to such perfection!
As for the child actors I was impressed with Dan, Rupert, and the Phelps twins. Very believable as their characters! I, like many others, disliked Emma's acting. Way to much on overacting, those flyaway eyebrows! Unbelievable! Ya know I completely forgot where I was going with this. My son (who is 2 and a half) has been jumping for my attention. So after running to get him glass after glass of milk I've lost my train of thought. Maybe I'll end this post now. I apologize! I promise I had some good stuff.
Well for me I was actually surprised when I saw who was playing in the movies. I loved seeing Alan Rickman! I was totally excited when i saw him in PS. I did know him from many movies before. First time I saw him was in 1991 or 1992 I believe in Robin Hood. Awesome movie! Still one of my favorites, then thru sense and sensibility. dogma. All I can remember off the top of my head right now. But truly one of my fav actors!
Maggie Smith! What a wonderful actress I saw her the first time in the movie Secret Garden I was about 14 at the time. And again in sister act, first wives club, many movies and I've loved watching her with her quick wit and charm! Pleasantly surprised seeing her in the role of McGonagall. I couldn't really see anyone else playing her to such perfection!
As for the child actors I was impressed with Dan, Rupert, and the Phelps twins. Very believable as their characters! I, like many others, disliked Emma's acting. Way to much on overacting, those flyaway eyebrows! Unbelievable! Ya know I completely forgot where I was going with this. My son (who is 2 and a half) has been jumping for my attention. So after running to get him glass after glass of milk I've lost my train of thought. Maybe I'll end this post now. I apologize! I promise I had some good stuff.
Yes, there are slight inaccuracies about the movies that I would like to change. For example, I don't think the actress playing Ginny is pretty enough. She supposed to have, what, 4 guys chasing her! Emma Watson actually is too pretty. Finally, Dan has blue eyes in the movies! Would a simple pair of contacts be too much to ask? Jo keeps emphasizing Harry's GREEN eyes, but they don't bother to give Dan contacts. However, I love how they cast Luna! She was amazing!
I completely agree with Wordcrafter about the colour of Dans eyes in the movies. They really should have been green from the start and not blue. However, i wonder would many fans notice this? Maybe thats why they left dan with his own blue eye colour. Im not sure about this. Id like to hear what everyone else thinks.
I absolutely love Helena Bonham-Carter! I think she is absolutely perfect for the part of Bellatrix Lestrange - she has that manic look about her in ootp and i think she portrays bellatrix perfectly!
Another perfect cast was Evanna Lynch for the role of Luna Lovegood - she also did an amazing job in ootp. She is the one character i really want to see more of in the next movie
I have heard that a good lot of fans think that Bonnie Wright is not pretty enough to play Ginny Weasley in the movies.
I think is unfair to say that she is not pretty, because i think she is. I just think some fans may have preferred someone with more glamour about them, because of the fact that she dates a lot of guys. I think that Bonnie is very pretty, so i would put it down to a hair and make-up error if some people think she isnt pretty enough.
I absolutely love Helena Bonham-Carter! I think she is absolutely perfect for the part of Bellatrix Lestrange - she has that manic look about her in ootp and i think she portrays bellatrix perfectly!
Another perfect cast was Evanna Lynch for the role of Luna Lovegood - she also did an amazing job in ootp. She is the one character i really want to see more of in the next movie
I have heard that a good lot of fans think that Bonnie Wright is not pretty enough to play Ginny Weasley in the movies.
I think is unfair to say that she is not pretty, because i think she is. I just think some fans may have preferred someone with more glamour about them, because of the fact that she dates a lot of guys. I think that Bonnie is very pretty, so i would put it down to a hair and make-up error if some people think she isnt pretty enough.
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Yes, there are slight inaccuracies about the movies that I would like to change. For example, I don't think the actress playing Ginny is pretty enough. She supposed to have, what, 4 guys chasing her! Emma Watson actually is too pretty. Finally, Dan has blue eyes in the movies! Would a simple pair of contacts be too much to ask? Jo keeps emphasizing Harry's GREEN eyes, but they don't bother to give Dan contacts. However, I love how they cast Luna! She was amazing!
I believe that Warner Bros. had Dan wear contacts back in the first movie but it turned out that he had a reaction to them. I guess they never attempted to have him wear contacts again. However, you would think that in this age of computers, that they would have figured out a way to computer enhance the color of Dan's eyes in the role of Harry. (shrugs)
I also think that Bonnie Wright is not pretty enough to portray the Ginny in HBP and DH. I mean no disrespect, after all, she's not homely, but I've always thought that the younger Ginny (in books 1 - 5) was a bit of a plain jane and so I think Bonnie was suited for the role. I'm not saying this JUST because I'm not a fan of either Ginny or Bonnie, but it's just the way I felt the character looked like. And, yes, Emma is way too pretty for the role of Hermione (as described in canon), but like with Dan's eye color, the make-up department won't be changing her looks either. But, you'd think they would make Bonnie look more glamorous in the last 2 movies since in the 6th book Ginny became this beauty of sorts that even Deatheaters commented on!
I agree with Dumbledore's Widow on the subject of Dan's eyes. If they can computerize a giant in the movies or a centuar they can change the colour of a character's eyes. I mean, they've had the technology from the beginning...
Next, Helena Bonham-Carter is absolutely brilliant! She just gets everything right! The way she taunts Harry and is just so evil! Also, Evanna Lynch = AMAZING. She is the perfect Luna Lovegood.
---Bronwyn
Next, Helena Bonham-Carter is absolutely brilliant! She just gets everything right! The way she taunts Harry and is just so evil! Also, Evanna Lynch = AMAZING. She is the perfect Luna Lovegood.
---Bronwyn
I completely agree with the things said about Emma as an actress. For me she has never really fit the role just right. But that is really all I have to say about her.
I think that Evanna Lynch is the perfect Luna. I was a bit worried as to who they would cast for that role because Luna is such an interesting and different character and she is one of my favorites. When it was announced who was chosen to play her, after looking at a picture of Evanna I thought that she is exactly how I pictured Luna, now I would just need to wait and see if she could actually play the character really well.
After watching the movie I had no doubt that they had chosen the right person to play Luna. I though she did absolutely brilliant in that role. I couldnt have imagined any way to make that role better. I would love to see her more in the other movies because I loved her. By far one of my favorite actors/actress from the film, with only Tom Felton ahead of her.
I think that Evanna Lynch is the perfect Luna. I was a bit worried as to who they would cast for that role because Luna is such an interesting and different character and she is one of my favorites. When it was announced who was chosen to play her, after looking at a picture of Evanna I thought that she is exactly how I pictured Luna, now I would just need to wait and see if she could actually play the character really well.
After watching the movie I had no doubt that they had chosen the right person to play Luna. I though she did absolutely brilliant in that role. I couldnt have imagined any way to make that role better. I would love to see her more in the other movies because I loved her. By far one of my favorite actors/actress from the film, with only Tom Felton ahead of her.
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