Bandoth
Jan 21 2005, 09:33 PM
We all know the story by now. Voldy found himself a way to get his body back... but where did that come from? Weeks upon months of planning, we only got a few hints of how it was to be done and... it wasn't enough. We didn't know exactly how Voldy was going to get Harry to the graveyard, though we had reference to portkeys near the beginning of GoF. We didn't know that Imposter-Moody was the Death Eater working all this through even though we had enough clues to see that something wasn't right. We didn't see that Voldy had to use a potion, flesh of a servant, bone from the father, and blood of an enemy to get his body back... Now where did that come from?
JKR hides hints all over her books to help the reader try to solve the mysteries that are bound to be solved by the end of the book/series. We don't know for sure about the series seeing as we need a bit more info from book six to make really accurate guesses but why didn't we see Voldy regaining his body in book four? Why didn't we know that Voldy could get his body back? Why didn't we have any clue at all of just how Voldy could get his body back? Doesn't JKR usually give us hints or references to things that may be used later in more important places later? Just think... Hovering charm beat the troll after being practiced, devil's snare mentioned in Herbology only to be fought off after the trapdoor, and the Mirror of Erised is discovered by Harry only to be found again at the end of SS/PS, and that's just in the first book!
Now why didn't we have a feather of a clue as to how it could be possible for Voldy to get his body back? Because JKR never told us! She popped this one right out of the blue and gave us another suprise like the time turner. Why would JKR do that to us twice in a row? She usually give us a heads up about such things so we go like "Oooh!" when we see it again. I thought the time turner was the only exception due to my views on time travel as listed in my other thread here in the DoM, but JKR hoodwinked us again, and I didn't even realize it until ten minutes ago! Now why would she do that? Why pull a ritual out of the blue like that? Could this be the reference to later uses? Or was JKR just unable to find a way to mention it to us without learning too much, too early? You tell me.
harrywilldie
Jan 25 2005, 05:54 AM
where did 'flesh blood and bone' come from? well obviously jk rowling's mind!!! think logically! think common sense! think beyond the square u live in!
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Hallia
Jan 26 2005, 10:43 PM
Well, I donīt know about the ritual, but JK did give clues about the time turner, like Hermione appearing out of nowhere and attending two classes at the same time. She also said that she wasnīt in two places at the same time. JK did give clues about the time turner!!
imafan2
Feb 1 2005, 06:16 PM
This is a good question, one thats been bugging me too. I, like Bandoth, wondered where was the foreshadowing in the book? JKR totally threw me for a loop when the cup turned into a port-key and boom here we are at a gravesite.
But wait, port-keys were introduced in the begining, The graveyard wasnt introduced, but the area was. ( by the riddle house) We knew that voldy was getting stronger, Sirius said that DD was reading the signs, even if no one else was. All things introduce at the begining and wrapped up nicely at the end.
As for the ritual, instead of asking why didnt she, I think the proper question would be, how could she of introduced it? there was not a huge need for (whatever Vapormort was) to be brought back. There was only that one time, and I do not think it could be used again. I believe that LV is the only vapor thing in need of a body. So far we have not seen any other wizard who has gone through such lengths as voldy to prevent death. So his body dies, and he has a ritual to bring it back. I dont think we are going to be seeing it again, because we dont have another instance of what voldy is.
So to answer your questions, in my opinion, she could not have introduced that ritual anyother way. Harry didnt realize it was comming, so we didnt realize it was comming. Its a good question, cause its bothered me too.
Long Live the Weasel King!
Feb 27 2005, 08:56 PM
I have to agree with you Bandoth, GoF threw me for a complete loop. I never once suspected that Voldemort would get his body back. I thought the entire series was going to be Harry having to keep him from getting his body back, and eventually destroying Vapormort. I must admit this makes things more interesting.

As for the ritual itself, well Voldemort says he invented it, didn't he? How could Harry have learned about it before hand? I agree that JKR often gives subtle hints before hand, and she gave a few as imafan2 pointed out. She also showed that Voldemort was able to create a body for himself in the beginning of the book. With the help of Wormtail, at least. He said something about, "Settling for his old form back." and when Wormtail said, "Couldn't we use someone else? We could get any wizard who was your enemy." Voldemort said something like, "No, it must be Harry if I am to rise more powerful than before."
So the clues were there. I just thought Harry was going to stop him. Which is why I was so surprised when Harry was caught right off the bat. I kept thinking, okay, you can escape now. Better kick that cauldron over or something! lol. So when Voldemort stepped from the cauldron I was bamboozled. (I love that word! bamboozled.)
Tuitus
Feb 28 2005, 11:51 PM
I remember LV told the DE that Bone, Flesh, and Blood Potion was, "an old piece of Dark Magic". The 'baby' form was his own invention.
As for clues, ditto imafan2 and Weasel King.
Also after Harry defeated Quirrell, Harry asked Dumbledore since the Philosopher's stone was destroyed whether or not You-Know-who could come back. Dumbledore responded that there are other ways he could return to power.
hp-fan1020
Mar 1 2005, 03:59 PM
Because JKR loves to make surprising endings and difficult clues, just look at her website! she has secret thing hidden all over that give you intresting info. same way with her books. you wont know whats comming.
~HPFAN
Hallia
Mar 1 2005, 07:38 PM
I totally agree with you, hp-fan1020. She gives clues about somethings sometimes, but if she always hinted trough the book whatīs going to happen in the end, it wouldnīt be that fun, exciting and surprising reading them, now, would it??
PS:welcome!!
zhenesais
Mar 22 2005, 09:24 AM
I don't think it was such a surprise at all that Voldemort regained back his body. It seemed to me that it was bound to happen, that OF COURSE the Dark Lord would find a way to rise up again and try to destroy Harry Potter once and for all. It was always a possibility, i think.
JK sometimes includes hints early in the plot that may foretell the future but you shouldn't expect it all the time. That's the beauty of the stories; it can't always be predictable. She's just absolutely brilliant the way the most insignificant details (we think they are) are revealed later as vital parts of the whole plot.
Quality Quidditch Supplies
Apr 28 2005, 03:33 AM
I can't remember exactly, but I'm pretty sure Voldemort says that it was a spell of his own invention. I think the bigger question is probably where did he get the "baby" body? If he was possessing some poor lil' kid, then why didn't anybody notice? Somethin' fishy goin' on in Potterverse...
Long Live the Weasel King!
Apr 28 2005, 04:29 AM
It's been pointed out to me before that Voldemort was refering to the "baby" body as a spell of his own invention, and that he said the Flesh Blood and Bone spell was a very old dark magic. I never bothered to check, however. As I'm rereading the books now, I'll get back to you on that in a few weeks probably.
Victor_Sempra
May 4 2005, 04:48 PM
There was a little bit of foreshadowing in the begining of GOF. Voldemort told Wormtail that he (Wormtail) would be performing a very important part in his plan and that his followers would give their right hand to perform Wormtail's task (I wish I had the quote in front of me). That Voldemort is such a jokester.
graeme
May 22 2005, 09:02 PM
Im actually astounded that something as easy as that potion took voldy 14 years to figure out, its not exactly rocket science is it???
Hallia
May 22 2005, 09:21 PM
I don't think it took him 14 years to figure out, but he couldn't do it himslef, he needed someone to take a person who hated him so they could use his blood and to take him to the cementery where his father was burried and make the potion for him.
lawks_fuster
May 24 2005, 02:30 AM
product of JKR's imagination!
well, i like JKR'S imagination!
it was really cool!
i wish i could be like her someday!
DontCareAboutTheName
Jan 31 2007, 04:59 AM
Wait, so how exactly did Voldemort regenerate? The maimed part of Voldemort's soul (that was described as the ugly deformed baby) was thrown into the cauldron right? So that's how you raise a Horcrux back? Why did he not do it before? Why was he first going to rely on the philosopher's stone.
We should be told: why the fifteen year wait?
Voldemort, who researched his dark arts stuff well (we still don't know how he learnt it-I think Grindelwald was his master), did not know what would happen if he were to revert to a horcrux? I mean, you should be prepared right?
Moon(I luv you Luna)
Jan 31 2007, 08:48 PM
Don'tCareAboutTheName, this is what happened (I think)
Voldy was that mear vapour of a thing like in PS, right? That was him striped of his powers after the attack. he was too week to do anything, that's why there was such a long wait. When wormatil found him, he could be revived into a state strong enough to travel (The deformed child in GoF)
The potion was a potion to give him his body back. That's why he needed flesh, blood and bone.
Well, i think that's what happened. It is in my opinion.
But i was thinking through the whole GoF book, and we don't really hear anything about it, do we? Maybe this is just showing the secrecy of Voldy's plans?
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