Okay so a lot of the changes made in the past movies will affect what happens in DH. We heard that Bill has been cut from HBP, so what about the wedding, Shell Cottage? These things play a big role in a lot of things that happen in the book. Other characters and scenes that have been changed in the past movies will affect DH. How do you think they will? What changes do you think will need to be made to DH?

Oooh! Very good topic! I think it's actually a topic that has concerned us all, not just for DH but for the other movies as well. I think Jo has tried her best to prevent any extreme consequences though. They have been consulting her when cutting stuff from the books in the movies but there are still some things that may be plain old confusing for fans who haven't read the books.

I agree with your speculation on Bill. I suppose they'll try to introduce his character in the DH movie then. I don't see them removing those two big scenes (the wedding and shell cottage) completely, but it does worry me how exactly they're going to introduce and incorporate Bill's character. They'll have to take out the whole semi-werewolf aspect of him. Personally, I've always been a fan of Bill so I'm disappointed about that. Also, we got see a not so vain side of Fleur when she still loved him even with his scarred face.

Another change is in OOTP, the book, the trio find Slytherin's lock while cleaning out the Black's house and that was removed from the movie. I don't think that'll affect DH too much because they could easily throw in the line "oh, yeah, I remember seeing a locket when we were cleaning," but it's deffinitely not as effective. It goes to show you how much better the books are, the foreshadowing of the locket was very well placed.

The last thing I can think of right now is the whole situation with Kreacher. They did include him in OOTP because Jo made them, but it was so brief, we really didn't get much of an impression of him - at least for those who haven't read the books. However, at least they gave him a few seconds of screentime - better than none at all. So I guess that was a close call! Good thing Yates has some sense to listen to the author.

That's all I can think of for now!

DS

Well, I think DS pretty much said it all for me
I would supppose that they would have to introduce Bill character in the 7th one because he's been cut from the 6th one. The wedding scene is crutial to the plot of the book as is Dobby's death wich takes place Bill& Feurs cottage. The only alternative I can think of is having Lupin and Tonks take the place Fleur and Bill (having the trio attend there wedding and Dobby die at there cottage.) I can't say I completely hate that idea but I certianly don't like it eather. I would much rather they stick (or did stick) to the book (but it's too late for that now isn't it) And I rather like Bill, as you said DS so I'm rather disapointed that his character isn't being done justice in the movie.

I also worry that Percy's plot line has been droped as well. He wasn't mentioned in the 5th book at all even though there is a long and rather emotional conversation held about him in the 5th book. He has, of course, been cut from the 6th movie so unless he is mentioned in the 6th one I fear that he won't appear in the 7th one. For me Percy coming back was a powerful moment and I was incredably pleased that he returned, full of sorrow, to his family before Fred died.

There going to have to throw in the locket somwere in the 7th or even 6th movie but it won't be near as, er, well constructed as it is in the book.
*sigh* Somtimes I wounder why they can't just film what happens in the book ya know? LOL

They may not even have Tonks/Lupin's wedding replacing Bill/Fleur's, seeing as their wedding was quiet and secretive for a reason. I doubt if Lupin was so concerned at Tonks' new outcast status he'd have a big wedding full of people. It could be replaced with just some sort of gathering of characters, allowing some discussion of the Deathly Hallows symbol and Grindelwald, hopefully some of Doge's and Aunt Muriel's talk of Dumbledore and then the attack comes.

Has Bill actually ever been in a movie? I've forgotten. I'm sure he's been out of them for so long no one would really know or care who he is if he randomly reappeared.

Tanuki: That was one of the things I didn't like about the idea of Lupin & Tonk's wedding replacing Fleur and Bills, the fact that they were in hiding. But any wedding would make more sence than no wedding at all...I just wish they could have Bill's and Fleur's.
Bill has never appeared in the movies, unless you count the waving guy in the wizards photograph in PoA

Very nice topic.

Yeah, a lot of what I was thinking has already been said.

Personally, Bill, Fleur, or Percy not having big parts don't bother me. The possibility that their whole scene may be cut because of it does...

Like someone else said, sometimes I wish they could just have a 4 hour movie, but get nearly everything in.

Agreed, I was really hoping for them to throw in the locket in the OoTP movie.
If not, at least show them cleaning so they can refer back to it in DH... it's frustrating.

Yeah, I don't know how they are going to have the Shell Cottage scene. I suppose they could go to Lupin's, or the Burrow if they really can't make it work, but again, I wish they could just go by the books...

I agree with almost everyone, the major problems will be:

Bill and Fleur (the actress who played Fleur said that she WASN'T doing the 6th film)

Dobby- They can't have him randomly popping up when they feel like it, they'll have to use valuable screen time to explain why he's at Malfoy Manor (unless they put him in film 6)

Kreacher- His part was TINY

Mundungus- What on earth will they do without him?

The Locket

The Mirror- Is it just me, or did Harry never get it.?

Percy- he's pretty important in Book 7

That's all I can think of right now, but I'm sure there are loads.

Ellie
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i didnt think of mundagus fletcher , i really cant see them including him at all , they cant just pop him in DH without a backstory as the seven potters scene wont mean much , im sure they could find a way around him and still find out umbridge has the locket , which would mean kreacher would not have as big a part

i think they can bypass the mirror as the didnt use it at all in OotP

problems that spring to my mine are how short the scenes between harry and DD were at the end of the last two films , i just dont feel like theyve built a screen relationship compared to in the books , and they missed out so much info

there was no metion of regulas in OotP , they cut him from the black family tree scene , so how is harry gonna realize that regulas had the locket

i cant see how they can cut bill and fluers wedding but its not like they need introducing any earlier than DH , because fluer was in GoF and weve heard loads about bill , they need the wedding because of harrys meeting with krum , aunt murial and elphais doge , plus many important snippets of info occour at the wedding

You guys are overestimating David Yates and Steve Kloves. Do you think that they care if Remus and Tonks were outcasts? Not really. David only gave them about three minutes of screentime total during OoTP, and Steve only skims through the books, so chances are that he'll miss the "outcasts" part.

So I do think that they'll replace Bill and Fleur with Tonks and Remus. And for The 7 Potters? They'll just make it "The 5 Potters". Simple.

My mum and I were talking about this the other day. They left out the coins in OotP so they will somehiow need to add this. They also left out the cleaning of Sirius's house and the havy locket none of them could open and they also have not introuduced Mundungus Fletcher. Or Charlie or Bill Weasley. I wonder how the moviemakers are gonna add all of this?? Hmm

There has been too many changes, the absence of fake galleons, Bill Weasly, some of Harrys dreams in the OotP, Dobby is in it less, there's no Winky, no visits to the kitchens, no S.P.E.W., no quidditch in the 5th movie, there's so much missing.

The new minister (I can't even try to spell it), isn't in the sixth movie. That will pose some problems in DH for those people who haven't read the series. They'll have to include "the new minister" in DH, so everyone's going to be like "Who's that?".

The idea of the topic is very good. If I were JK I wouldn't have agreed to many aspects of the movies. If you see only the movies, without reading the books you won't understand anything. They lost many crucial scenes and they didn't shaped many of the important characters.
For me the fifth movie was a huge disappointment... I like Sirius a lot and I don't think that they showed every aspect of his personality. The fact that Harry lost so many persons that were close to him is crucial. Remember, that is how he beat Voldemort!!! The relationship between Harry and the people that were killed by Voldemort (you know, Dumbledore, Sirius, Tonks, Lupin, Fred...) doesn't seem to be that important in the movie...
Everyone keeps saying what a great job Yates does, but I simply can't agree. The books are wonderful and the movies should have been better.

*By the way, I can't imagine how will they make the last movie (whose plot is anyway vast) if the have to introduce so many informations that should have been in the other movies.

I totally agree that they may have put themselves in a hole with the Bill & Fleur/Shell Cottage part of the story. I don't know if anyone else mentioned this yet but you know how they cut out the story of Hermione and SPEW in OotP? The Ron and Hermione kiss happens because Ron says he doesn't want anymore house-elves to suffer for them and then Hermione kisses him. This won't make sense if they don't incoporate the Hermione and house-elves story at some point...

I completely agree with you about the mention of house-elves. When I saw they weren't including it in GoF, and not a lone comment about elves in OotP, I thought, Hang on! But there are a lot, a huge lot of things that are going to be changed, as always. I did like OotP, and I do like Yates ( mainly because of his focus in romanticism), but I agree that the books are wonderful and rich in details, and they skipped a good lot of them. I mean, there were a lot of things that were tiny, really tiny things, but useful for the future movies, and they skipped them! It was not necessary to show Hermione making a whole scene, blandishing a badge of SPEW and visiting Winky at all; but couldn't they include a little scene when Ron says something about Kreacher, and Hermione tells him off?
About the locket, no cleaning scene at all: I suppose they definitely are going to say that ("Hey, I remember it from when we were cleaning!").
Dung is important indeed, but they might use six Potters, and just pretend do that Moody's death was an accident. And then, they could make the locket ended up in Umbridge's hands by ... another way.
I don't think they should replace Bill and Fleur's parts at all with Remus and Tonks. Perhaps they could skip the fact that Bill was attacked by Greyback, but the wedding, and Shell Cottage... um, that's not going to work.
I also would have liked -- loved -- if they had done the scene of Dumbledore and Harry far more explanatory and touching. I think that all the people who didn't read the books felt like "Uh? What are they talking about?" when it happened, because the prophecy is only half of it (I know, the main part, but even so...) and DD didn't show his regret about not having told Harry about anything, or they barely talked about Sirius (did tey talk at all? I don't remember). But I hope they made up in HBP to conclude it in DH.
If I have to say the truth, I don't like the fact of having DH being split in two parts, and having to wait for another year, a whole, long gap year, until its releasement, but I'm very happy they are going to make it in two movies: it's far more preferable that, and not that they skip a lot, lot of important stuff.

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I agree with almost everyone, the major problems will be.Bill and Fleur were great in their characters. Kreacher,s part was tiny.I totally agree that they may have put themselves in a hole with the Bill & Fleur/Shell Cottage part of the story. I also wish that they could just have a 4 hour movie.

I've given it some thought, and I think that the director will solve the problems with the previously cut scenes with "hearsay scenes".

It's been done before, in TPS/TSS the whole "get Norbert The Dragon out of Hogwarts" plot was replaced by a short scene where Hagrid just mentioned that Charlie had come to fetch Norbert and bring him to Romania.

If one should follow the same method, the Bill/Fleur plot would be solved by letting Bill introduce himself at the Dursley's, and at the same time mention that he's engaged to Fleur and they're going to get married in a couple of days. Either that or maybe Ron shortly mentions the engagement somewhere during the HBP movie.

Dung and the locket? As I wrote in another thread, it can be solved like this:

Harry asks Kreacher about the locket.
Kreacher says that Dung stole it.
Harry asks Kreacher to get the locket back from Dung.
Kreacher returns and tells that he found Dung (and hopefully whacked him with a frying pan! ), but the locket is in Umbridge's possession now.

Same thing with other plots - a mere "Oi Harry, remember that thing/person/event a couple of years ago? You won't believe what has happened since..." A lame way of getting past errors done, I admit, but it's still possible.

Except for the SPEW issue (or lack thereof)... in that matter, I really have no idea how they're gonna sort that out.

One of my biggest issues is the lack of Tonks/Lupin in OotP and HBP (according to snitchseeker and leakylounge Tonks only has one scene in HBP and her an Lupin are suddenly a couple, no story at all), so their death is not going to be as affecting as it is in DH. As a matter of fact, I think alot of the deaths in DH will not be as affecting - Colin Creevey, Dobby... - whereas in the books, when Harry sees Colin's, Tonks' and Lupin's bodies, that's a really sad moment in the books but I fear that it will mean nothing in the film. Even if they make a big song and dance out of Dobby's death in the DH movie, because he hasn't played the role he should have in the previous films it's not going to mean so much when he dies.

I think DH might backtrack a bit and cover some things that weren't covered in HBP, like the funeral for example. At the very least I hope they backtrack because there were some important things left out from the 6th movie. I think this especially because they split it into two movies so they should have time to squeeze extras in.

I wonder if half the reason that DH is a 2 parter is to cover the bits that have been left out. Surely David Yates realises that he can't just wade in to some of this stuff without explanation or in the cases of Dumbledores funeral closure.


A lot of things really don't need to be there. But by omitting certain aspects, Yates needs to add is something else like the wedding for instance. By not having Bill and Fleur in any of the movies, he has so set the scene for the Weasley's to be attacked. But he's sort of mucked that up by destroying the Weasley home and this means I can't see a wedding taking place. I am so confused as to how this will be explained. I guess it just means more cuts. I have visions of The movie starting with the threesome ending up in a tent in the Forest of Dean in the first scene. They will magically already know what horcruxes they are looking for. Either that or it will open in Godrics Hollow and Ron will be there just to really annoy me.

The part that is the most frustrating is that all the little things that were cut out really matter in the final book/movie.

Snape: Okay, I suppose everything can be a shock when Prince's Tale comes around. Like, all the stuff that was mentioned/discovered about Snape that they excluded. That he was a half-blood, that Lily was in the SWM scene, that he told Voldy about the prophecy, and etc.

Percy: I found his return to be a very powerful moment. Unfortunately, will it feel that way in the last movie? I suppose they could if they mention him beforehand or show Molly or the other family members truly, deeply upset about it. Otherwise, who cares?

Tonks/Remus: I don't know, am I biased? I love this ship a lot. But I think they are important for the whole Teddy Lupin thing. Once again, without any actual substance, who cares?

Bill/Fleur: They'll add them in easily, I guess. I don't know if they will have the wedding though.

Kreacher: Awful mess-up. Honestly, how confusing? Will people even know who Kreacher is? I loved that part dearly in the book. Yes, I know, most people have read the book so they know all about him. But the movies should be able to stand-alone (isn't that why they make a lot of changes and add new scenes in?).

Horcruxes: Once you see HBP, you may think that they left a lot of info about them out. I suppose they can have Dumbledore leave memories or a letter or something.

The Burrow: So, um, did the Burrow burn down?

Well, that's all I have for now.

They made some serious changes that could bite them back. First as its been said the wedding.It plays a major rollin DH for them to go off hunting horcruxes. Also its where Harry starts to have doubts about Dumbledore. They could just as easily introduce bill and fleur after they collect harry and it could work. however the main problem i have is the funeral. it plays a big role with the horcruxes. Afterall voldemort does break in and steal the elder wand. another problem they will have is the houseelfs. although not too bad of one since dobby does pop up out of nowhere in the malfoys mansion. the problem is kreacher. they never explained about him belonging to harry now. Other than that we will have to see how it turns out.

After reading all your opinions I just want to shout at Yates"you dirty [Mod deleted]".
Maybe they don't read all the books in the series but only the one which they are doing.
I remember having read somewhere that Peter Jackson even read the letters written by Tolkien
when doing LOTR. This is all useful to know the mood and the emotions in a story.

All the seemingly trivial things like

1. SPEW and discussion about elf's becomes very emotional in the last film.

2. Discussion about half breeds and Hagrid. They made Hagrid look like a dumb giant in the last
few films!

3. What abot the prophecy? It is not a trivial thing! Not even a discussion about it in OotP!
I don't know what those who have not read the book make of the climax in OotP.

4. The Quibbler magazine and Harry's interview with it and the role it plays in the final book.
I think it is at the same time funny and very emotional. How will they show the blasting of the
horn in Lovegood's house?

And there are a thousand points that could be mentioned. Even as I read all the things pointed
out by you all I feel more irritated.

Watse of nice actors too.

JKR always contrasts the behavior of Harry and Voldemort in all aspects including the treatment
of elves and half breeds etc., and it is very nice. In the films they do not even clearly explain
Vlodemort's selfishness.

JKR also slowly builds up tension or anticipation regarding everything. I think that is why
we write a novel or film, to slowly build up the anticipation so that finally the impact is
maximum. But in the films they are showing everything such hurriedly and dumbly that there
is no impact. This is especially true about the 5'th and 6'th films. The 3'rd and 4'th films
also demystified and dehumanized everything.

I don't know what the director, writers etc., are thinking

They are so vain
and have such little brain
pathetic losers butchring Harry
why dont you go and get beaten with your Daddy
why dont you disappear without a clue
coz Crabbe and Golyle are scholars before you

Mod Edit: Expect an Owl. ~Triad.

The problem with a four/three hour movie would be that it´s very hard to make a movie like that work pacing vise. You really have to be an above avrage director in order to make that work properly.

Just look at Oliver Stones biopic of Alexander, it´s three hours long yet so little happens in it.

And really I think they´ll explain most stuff pretty decently with two movies to do so.

There will be consequences to their actions off course and I do agree that Dobby´s death may not be as emotional for people that only watch the movies.

When it comes to the funeral I don´t know but maby they´ll have flashbacks to it or something like that.

And whatever happens with the finished result I doubt any of these two movies will do the same thing to the Potter franchise as The Phantom Menace did to Star Wars.....hopefully.

I hope that they have the wedding scene in the final movie, it is basically like the lead off to the entire plot. I would also like to see the movie start off before anything else with Dumbledore's funeral. Since HBP failed to give us the funeral I can only hope that the final movie starts off with this moving scene. There are many other smaller details from the book that I hope they cover in the movie. Especially the one where they go to Luna's dad's house and he explains to them about the DH, and how he keeps stalling as to where Luna was. Then come to find out Xenophillius had called the DE's on the Trio. Now that scene I think is extremely important to the overall movie.

Oh well I'll be like everyone else here, just sitting and waiting and contemplating what they put in the final movie and what they will leave out.

Oh dear, all of these potential omissions scares me. I was afraid something was up when they burned down the Weasley's house in movie 6. It didn't make sense because without the house they can't have the wedding and as everyone has pointed out, that's a big part of the story line. In my opinion they should have split book 6 into two movies as well because there is just too much that they left out of the movie. I hope they don't screw it up because I really do love the movies.

Nice topic. I noticed they didn't mention Marvolo Gaunt in HBP. Ugh. Now if they mention the name in DH, people who just go off of the movies won't know who that is because they failed to have him in one of DD's memories.

The makers of the films always make me mad with at least one aspect of what they've created. The biggest thing that still gets me when I sit down and watch Goblet of Fire, they say Barty Crouch Jr. tourchered(sp?) Neville's parents, but in OOTP, they turn around and say Bellatrix Lestrange did it, when in the books, it was always Bellatrix. I didn't like that at all.

Idk, they have so much wrong in the films now, it's ridiculous. I can't stand it. I don't like the films and now they're changing who's dying, so it's gonna make it even worse in the DH. Anyways... nice topic.