Do you think it would be cool if the houses had catch phrases or a tag line...you know for like words in a chant that could be shouted at qudditch matches and stuff... and if so what would be a good Slytherin one? One that reflects our personalities and differences and why do you think it would be effective?


Geesh this site has been very quiet since my last visit, oh well I'll give it a whirl in coming up with a catch phrase for our beloved House:

"Only those that are purebloods at heart can muscle the load to do their part. Be true to Slytherin the House of Cunning Serpents and those who do will be given faithful servants"

Ok kinda weird I know but hey I've been up since like 3 a.m. this morning so my brain is not really in a creative mood as of now lol.

Hmm...It has a certain ring to it.

But as a house, and especially after the war, I think we ought to reconsider our stance on purebloods being better etc etc. And perhaps....well.

We ought to create our own Sorting Hat song, or even verses to be sung or something. This really has got me thinking, and i'll be back with some real gems.

yeah sinsdaemn is ryt hehe..
there i am still active ryt..
I LOVE SLYTHERIN

Oh my gosh a sorting hat song would be awsome! I always love the Hat songs in the books and so did my little sister when I was reading them to her. She thought I was out of time but when she tried to sing it she sang it exactly the same as me. Anyway, if anyone can come up with come good verses it would be super interesting,

here is another tag line thingy,

Slytherin - We just hide our warm fuzziness because we don't want to come across as fluffy hot water bottles.

and...

Slytherin - We are proud to be friendly free, low in sympathy and scientifically proven to raise the sarcasm levels of anyone we meet.

...yes the last one was meant to nsound like some sort of dairy product but don't hold it against me. I am tiered, have'nt had my coffee yet and I need to go get it now.

ahmm i actually thought of something at school we used to sing it at foundation days.. it goes a little like this here we are the slytherin and we are #1 (clap clap) powers all we reign supreme our powers from the _______(clap clap). Humalawekoye _________ is the best.! sainasaiyorasa victory is our quest thats all i can think about right now.. well thanks for reading

I've never heard of that particular cheer before. It's certainly interesting.
What language is it? Well, I mean for the last bits... Hmm...not sure if others would um be committed to cheer it. Perhaps especially as we are Slytherins...you know?

The Happy Dementor, have you had the chance to read some of Textual Sphinx's songs? Severus wrote them, and they're among my favorites. you can find them at Fanfiction . net.



For the verse thingys I was wondering if we all might just have a hand in writing it....what do you think?

That sounds like a good idea Sinsdaemn Let me know how all of us should go about writing this and I'll help in any way I can just send me an owl or something 'kay I think that if we put all of our verses togerther in some sort of order we could come up with a really creative new Slytherin song of sorts.

Like I said just let me know how all of us can go about it...

yeah this song here we are the slytherin and we are #1 (clap clap) powers all we reign supreme our powers from the _______(clap clap). Humalawekoye _________ is the best.! sainasaiyorasa victory is our quest the last two verses were I think spanish or something.... BTW the ones that has underlines are fill up the missing words.. i cant think of anything yet thats why it is blank

Morning fellow Slytherins Well it looks like our Common Room has been dead as of late..Well I found out something this morning that might be interesting to share with all.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31787972/ns/en...ties/?gt1=43001

This is a link to an interesting tidbit of news I read about this morning. If you are unable to open the link you can go to msn.com and look under "Harry Potter Actor Charged with Growing Pot".

Well apparantly Jamie Waylett, who plays Crabbe in the HP flick was recently busted for doing this, it happened several days before the opening premiere of the HBP movie. Since this is the forum where we discuss anyhting Slytherin and this involves someone who plays a Slytherin..

What do all of you fellow Slytherins think about this news? Does anyone find it shocking? Discuss your thoughts here.

wow that was really stupid of him do do that now he might not be able to be in DH. And to make matters worse hes going to trial on my birthday cant they make it the 17th instead of the 16th grrrr. I wonder what made him do that though he had to know that he would get caught eventually. It was just sooo stupid. People can be really dumb sometimes.

You are right about that MIA MALFOY I read another article today about his upcoming trial, they said that if he were found guilty that he could face up to 14 years in prison. And also the article said that was bad because Crabbe's role like so many others in the final movie plays a very important part in the movie. Oh well I guess we'll have to wait and see after the 16th and see what becomes of him...Who would have thought that of all people from HP Crabbe (Jamie Waylett) would be the one to dabble in activities such as that??

yeah it was a really stupid thing to do because Crabbes role in DH is a lot bigger than his role in the other movies so he picked a really bad time to mess up. I really dont think that after what he did he deserves to be in the movie but i kinda wouldnt be the same with a different person playing crabbe. I hope that he really wishes that he didnt do what he did.

I think it was a really foolish thing for him to do. He was in the public eye and things like this always come out at some stage. Unfortunately I don't see him reprising his role as Crabbe after this regardless of the out come of his trial, which ia a real shame because I would have prefered to keep the original cast the whole way through, particularly with the last movie and the role Crabbe plays, he finally steals some of the spotlight from Draco. However Harry Potter movies are family friendly and I doubt either Warner Bros. or the producer will want some one who's been accused of something like this in these particular movies.

But if he does stay on I will admit I was wrong.

I just hope he shows some remorse for what he's done. It may bode well for him in his trial if he does.

Well I guess all of us will find out his fate after Thursday (his court date) I'm hoping that he won't get pubished too severly and shows some remorse for what he did. Maybe all he will have to do is pay a really large fine???That will be a bummer though if because of what he has done he is "fired" from his role and they have to bring in an entirely new guy to fill his role. He should have thought of his actions before he commited them, this role in DH would have been his biggest thus far, could have helped get his career going....

Well, the easiest thing for Warner Bros to do would be to just cut Crabbe out from DH. Crabbe is crucial to the plot, but since when do they ever really care about the plot? This way, they'll save money, which is ultimately the goal of WB.
If he shows any remorse, it will most likely be out of longing to be in the film, or fake. These people rarely have true regrets for their actions.

They could cut Crabbe but they need him in DH because of what he does at the end to the Room of Requirement. They would have to find a new Crabbe because cutting him would completely change the movie. Even though it would be strange to have a different Crabbe i would rather have that then have him cut from the movie and have the movie missing scenes.

I definately do not want them to cut Crabbe's role out of the final movie, it would totally destroy the overall plot of the story. If need be I would like them to replace the orignal Crabbe with another actor (if they do not allow Jamie Waylett to continue his role) but it would kinda suck seeing someone else play Crabbe. But hey in Hollywood they have allowed actors/actresses to continue roles in films after doing things alot worse than what Jamie Waylett has done. So maybe there is hope for him yet.....

Again it would not make any sense if they cut out his scenes entirely for DH. It would hurt the overall movie if they did that instead of finding a replacement.

Was anybody else disappointed with HBP?

I have to say that I was. HBP is my favorite book in the series and i dont think that the movie did the book much justice. I was disappointed with the lack of Draco in the movie, i was looking forward to the part at the beginning of the book in Madame Malkins. I didnt like how they cut it out. The fight in the bathroom between Harry and Draco was terrible, it was nothing like in the book. The cut out Moaning Myrtle which i think would have made the scene more exciting. In the book the duel was better and Draco seemed like he was worse of. In the movie it was like nothing happened to him. The whole deal with Katie Bell wasnt as big of a deal in the movie, and while there was quiddach there wasnt enough there were tryouts and part of a game. I also didnt like how they jumped around so much. There was barley any Hagrid, and there should have been more. I could go on forever about how disappointed i was with this movie. So did anybody like it a lot or was anybody else disappointed with the many missing scenes?

Was anybody else disappointed with HBP?

Well....I would have to say yes and no...

Yes because they included details like Arnold the pygmy puff....dunno if you guys saw that but I was looking out for it espescially and they remembered stuff like "Won won!" which is utterly hilarious....I thought the bit at Slughorn's was good, they did just about everything right there and I liked the memories and was really pleased with the lake bit even if Dumbledore didn't halucinate as much as he could have. Oh! And the bit with Ron high on love potion was just about the funniest thing ever! When he was on the bed with Harry clutching the heart shaped chocolate box and gazing off into the distance I actually snorted and my friend hit me. Oh! And the bit with harry high on Felix! I loved the bit when he did the pincers thing.

I did NOT like how they jumped about, how they didn't have Luna's comentry!!!!! How they didn't have enough Draco or how the sectumsempra scene didn't have nearly enough blood or drama and I thought Dumbledore's death was appaling and even a little comical especially with the slow mo fall. The scene with the burrow on fire was POINTLESS and the bit at the begining with Harry chatting up the waitress in the cafe was just wrong! They should have stuck more closely to the book definitly but I am thrilled I have seen it and think it could have been a hell of a lot worse.

All in all, yes we could probably have made the film ten times better but we niether have the money nor the training and if any of us do then why on earth arent we out there making sure they don't turn DH into another Order of the Pheonix train wreck????

XD

Em
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Was anybody else disappointed with HBP?

I just got back from watching HBP...OMG I was so disappointed with that movie. There were so many key things from the book that were left out in the movie. For example at the beginning of the movie when Harry and everyone was on the train, they did not go eat with Slughorn, so therefore Harry did not follow Blaise Zabini back to the Slytherin car and eavesdrop on what Draco was talking to Blaise, Crabbe and Goyle about. In the Sectemsempra scene there was no talk amongst Draco and Harry (I believe in the book there was) and the dueling scene was not as long and graphic as it should have been.

They never went to Snape's DADA class, Crabbe and Goyle were not on the Quidditch team, and also Crabbe and Goyle were not "disguised" as girls with the Polyjuice Potion when they were playing as lookouts for Malfoy...They left out a bunch of earlier memories of Riddle's families lives....Oh I could go on and on about points that were missed and left out. Here I thought Draco would not only gets loads of screen time but actually have more speaking lines. Alas I hyped myself up for this and was left wondering...WTC? Oh well I'm off to finish reading the HBP book again and critique the movie some more....

Was anybody else disappointed with HBP?

I don't know my opinion, that's the issue! I won't go into details here, I did that already in the "What's your Verdict" thread.
It was choppy, yet it had good acting.
It was very different than the book, but it had some accurate moments.
It was funny, but the humor shouldn've have existed.

For each aspect, I can find a pro and a con, so I really must watch it again to figure out my opinion. I think finally seeing the movie has left me in shock.

Was anybody else disappointed with HBP?

Like Snapefan, I already ranted about it in 'Whats Your Verdict?'. I had very high hopes because I watched the news, and people who went to midnight screenings raved about it. I was quiet excited but my dreams were shot down the Astronomy Tower! So much was left out that is vital in the final film and I agree that though the humour was well placed, it was just the wrong movie to use it all at once. Some of the additional parts were uneccessary such as the Burrow being attacked. What happens to the wedding? I was shocked that the battle on the stairs was also left out! The actors were really well done! Apparently they have no choice but to say the awful lines that the writers created no matter what! They don't really have a big say.

Well, I think I have blown off enough steam, so I was not impressed with the movie at all!

Was anybody else disappointed with HBP?
I still Havent Saw it yet because we dont have money to see the movie... thats what my mom said.. so I will wait for the DVD's to come out

I went because it was tradition and thusly wasn't too disappointed. I think one of the good things about the movie coming out so much later then the book is that it's not so fresh in our memory thus we can't be as mad as we would have been. If that long sentence made any sense.

Still, I think they really oversimplified everything. What I mean is that, all the things that were in the ending of the book were in the beginning of the movie. Not to mention all the wrong things that went on.

DRACO uses Peruvian Instant Darkness Powder, NOT Harry.
LUPIN and TONKS don't get together till the end.

Those are two such examples that I felt should be mentioned. Ugh, just thinking about it....
And the relationship of Ginny and Harry...I didn't feel the heartbreak and jealousy, it seemed like he had about one setting. Tom Felton was brilliant though. Unfortunately, there wasn't much of Alan Rickman. TT^TT

Just some miscellaneous things...

I will see the movie in weeks time in IMAX.. GTG

I'm limiting myself to a mini-rant here...
I thought the movie did a better job of sticking to the plot than the fifth one (although I guess....well I digress, that's not the issue at hand). I think the sectumsempra scene could have been soooooo much better though, as could have the events following the death of Dumbledore; there needed to be more action and violence in both of those instances. The suspense aspect worked well overall, though, I found myself dying because I knew what was coming and that it would be awful, which is something that I think happened more often (at least for me) in this movie than the others.
HBP is my favorite book, too, though, and the movies seldom do the books justice. Given that, I'd say they did a relatively decent job. I felt like they finally developed some characters other than Harry and did a good job of making the movie something that could be enjoyable both for people who have read the book and people who haven't.

I agree with what you said about having to have more action and violence in those scenes. I was majorly disappointed with the Sectumsempra scene because i was expecting it to be just like the book because that was my favorite part in the book. The had facts wrong and to mant scenes cut and they didnt add as many details as they should have.

I am Sooo Mad... I havent watched H.P 6 yet it has been a week already..
I hate This...

Ok it looks like its time for a fresh new topic for discussion....

How do you think Snape felt when he promised Narcissa to do the Unbreakable Vow to save Draco? What do you think was going through his mind when he offed Dumbledore?

First off I feel that Snape felt as if he owed it to Narcissa to do the Unbreakable Vow with her, because he not only did not want Draco to face this decision alone, but that he was probaly feeling that if he did not and something happened to Draco he would feel guilty about it.

It is hard to tell what may have been going through Snape's mind on top of the Astonomy Tower. In my beliefs I feel that Dumbledore and Snape had already pre-planned this event ahead of time. Now I don't know if Snape outright told Dumbledore what Draco's intentions were from Voldy, but I feel as if Dumbledore knew his days were numbered because of everything he had discovered about Voldy's past. So probaly in private Dumbledore told Snape that if it came down to it, that it must be he (Snape) that offed Dumbledore off and not Draco in order to save Draco from any unpleasantries.

What are everyone else's thoughts on this?

i think SNAPE what felt when he Promised narcissa was how is he going to fulfill his duty to the school and to the dark lord.. and what was going through his mind was how was the staff of hogwarts going to think of him after he kills dumbledore

How do you think Snape felt when he promised Narcissa to do the Unbreakable Vow to save Draco? What do you think was going through his mind when he offed Dumbledore?

I think he felt that he had to do it, for Narcissa and for Draco. I dont think that he was all to happy about having to do it, because i think he knew deep down that Draco wasnt an evil person and wouldnt be able to kill Dumbledore and he would end up doing it for him. I dont think he wanted that burden on him, but i think he would rather have it on his shoulders than have Draco scarred for life because he killed Dumbledore.

I think that he was scared,worried, and relieved. I think he was scared because he had just killed one of the greatest people to ever live and didnt want people to think that he did it because he wanted to. I think he was worried because he didnt know what would happen to not only Hogwarts but the entire wizarding world now that the one person Voldemort feared the most was dead. And i think he was relieved because Draco didnt do it. He didnt want Draco to do it because if he had then Draco would have been just as bad as his father. He wanted Draco to be good and to not make the same mistakes he did by becoming a Death Eater and killing people for Voldemort.

Snape felt obligated to protect Draco. I dont think he had to do that but it would be very convient for him to do that because of his plan with Dumbledore. He knew what he was doing and how.

What was he thinking when he iced Dumbledore? Thats probably pretty easy to deduce. Considering Dumbledore had asked Snape to do the deed in the first place, I think he was pretty focused. The aftermath however is more complicated. Snape now had to realize what has happened and wasnt quite sure how to manage without Dumbledore. Voldy is on the loose and not just Hogwarts was in danger but everything was. Snape did what he had to do even if he begrudged it.

I just got sorted into Slytherin and i think i will give it a chance. But i find it a rather cool house and i do like all of you while i was reading this thread. I will try for a while to be a Slytherin. Ah... that's all.

i havent been sorted or anything but i know deep down that i am a slytherin i love everything to do with being a slytherin and i ABSOLUTELY LOVE draco

I think that it wouldnt matter 2 Harry what house Albus is in. im not really sure what Draco would think... he doesnt seem like his father. especially after the last book, i dont think he is as stuck up or proud as he was the first 6 years of his Hogwarts life. :-)

I still don't know if Snape knew what Draco's task was, so I would imagine Snape entered into the contract with great trepidation. He's up to his neck on both sides and he knows Bella doubts his loyalty to Voldie so in a way he had no other choice but to do it. Dumbledore would have wanted him to for all the noble reasons and Snape probably figured if he went ahead with it he could get Bella off his back, protect Draco, whom its obvious he had real feelings for, and possibly find out what Draco was up to in the first place.




I figure Snape didn't particularly want to do it. To me at least, the conversation he had with Dumbledore in the penseive that Harry watched suggested that. But I guess he had come this far to get his revenge for Lily's death, so he wasn't going to stop now.

I do believe that Snape had a healthy respect for Dumbledore, and perhaps even was a tad fond of the old duffer after all of their years together. Add to that his more recent actions, and his described expression when he performed the AK curse - not to mention (though ofcourse I have ) Dumbledore's pleading because Snape was hesitant - that the slimy git was somewhat revolted by his own actions. Whether he had lost the nerve to kill, or if it was only because it was Dumbledore is unknown, but he certainly didn't appear eager to do it.

So, yeah... that's what I reckon.

Love being back here in Slytherin territory.

How do you think Snape felt when he promised Narcissa to do the Unbreakable Vow to save Draco?

Hmm. Well he certainly was trapped into it. He was probably resigned to making the vow, and also slightly irritated. On top of playing his role of spy, now he has to get out of Draco what his task is and then do it. He probably had a sneaking suspiscion but it's better to really know then just guess. Anyway, I think that it was inevitable, perhaps he even already knew it would come down to it. Ugh, all my thoughts are going around and around.

What do you think was going through his mind when he offed Dumbledore?

I don't think that Severus thought Draco would be capable of killing the Headmaster. So it really was like he already knew it was going to fall to him. In fact I'm sure Rowling said something about the two having already discussed it. But though he'd been mentally girdled for doing the deed I still think some part of him was hesitant to seal the deal. Enough with the cliches, sorry. Right, so I believe that they'd talked about everything that was to happen afterwards, on how he'd finally earn a lot of trust from the Dark Lord and etc but he wasn't willing to take that step over the abyss. There was just so much that would have to be done to clear his name- I mean, well, this is my final thought ish.

When he killed Dumbledore, I feel that Severus knew he himself would not survive.

Maybe Slytherin got water because it shows our true nature. We are deep and powerful, but can be shallow as well. It can be calm seas or a raging storm. We adapt to our situations, like water. Water is deceptive, and underestimated. It can also be deeply misunderstood. Like us, there are those who put us into a stereotype because they are ignorant. Water also flows with the tides, always changing. But it always stays where it is. Maybe this is symbolic of our logic and ways of thinking, while still have emotions. We don't really let our emotions cloud our thinking, even though one could argue that our thinking is based off of an emotion. Water can also be considered contradictory, like Slytherins. Most Slytherins are thought to be arrogant, but at the same time we are the people who are known for doing anything to get where we want which might even mean that a SLytherin will have to be diplomatic, modest, and willing to be passive about things. One could also make the assumption that a serpent can live in water, a lion lives in Africa wear it is associated with fire because of the brightness, and heat, badgers live on land, and eagles fly. I believe that one could tie those together.

This is why I think Slytherin is associated with water.

OK it looks like it's time to start a new topic discussion dealing with Slytherin House.

During the final battle do you think that any of the Slytherins, if persuaded would have joined the other three Houses in the battle against Voldy? Or do you feel as if they would have done what they did anyway and fled to avoid punishment?

I look at that as probaly most of the Slytherins either out of fear or just plain cowardice would have fled and avoided the battle. But I do feel as if Draco may have had one small fleeting feeling that he may have joined forces with the others to help in the battle. I mean afterall Harry and Ron did save his and Goyle's behinds from the burning room. I would think that Draco would have had some small appreciation for them doing that. Maybe given the right time, I feel as if Draco above all other Slytherins would have lended a helping hand of sorts. He knew that Voldy had basically ruined him and his family as is. Voldy melted Lucius down to a pitiable creature of sorts and had Narcissa and himself cowering for fear. Draco if given the right mind set would have joined in, even if it were just a tiny bit. He felt remorse after all for what he had been put through the year before.

What does everyone else think of this?

During the final battle do you think that any of the Slytherins, if persuaded would have joined the other three Houses in the battle against Voldy? Or do you feel as if they would have done what they did anyway and fled to avoid punishment?

I think that it's really a personal thing. Perhaps some of the Slytherins had friends among those fighting, and perhaps they could then have been persuaded to join the fight. Yet Slytherins are essentially rather selfish beings, even more selfish than other teens, and usually when you are in that age you don't have all your ethics in place, or a general idea about the bigger picture. So I think that faced with a hard decision like that, and not much time to think, Slytherins would take the easier way out.

hello fellow slytherins,

i just got sorted into this house and i wasn't very happy about it. i have heard that slytherin house is quite cool, Do u guys have any reasons to be proud of slytherin

The only reason i'm not happy with slytherin is the founder- he seemed quite racist

ps i know that not all slytherins are bad!!!!!


ps Snape is one of the best characters in the hp books

Welcome to the House of Slytherin feather-of-the-phoenix! We are so happy to have you as our newest member. I am extremely proud to be a member of Slytherin. We have some of the most unique charactors to speak of. Slytherin stands for everything I am about. I am cunning and free spirited and I like to stand up for what's right for me as well as my fellow Slytherins. No not all Slytherins are bad, it's just a bad rap the House has gottne because of some of the "not so good" Slytherins that have been in the House in the past (Bellatrix, Rodolphus, Tom Riddle) just to name a few. Slytherins are a very proud people and don't like to let anyone or anything get in their way. Yes having Professor Snape as Head of House has it's good points, get on his good side in Potions and you just might learn a little something lol

Salazar Slytherin had his reasons for being the way that he was, he believed in a pure blood race and would have been contempt if only pure bloods had been allowed admittance into Hogwarts. But if only pure bloods had been allowed admittance, the wizarding blood lines would have died out eventually. Salazar Slytherin was an extremely proud wizard who only wanted the best for his house, but it did not quite turn out te way he had planned.

Again welcome to Slytherin

Thank you very much, DracosLady, thanks to u i am proud tobe in slytherin. If i was sorted into slytherin at hogwarts i don't think i'd turn out like bellatrix and her lot. I was puzzled however when i was sorted here because i am not cunning like most slytherins, but i'm sure i will find this house fun. Once again i would like to thank you.

You're welcome feather-of-the-phoenix we are always glad to have new members join our humble happy home. I do believe in my case if I were sorted in Slytherin at Hogwarts that I would have done well, I have so many like characteristics of the house. I would have probaly taken the throne away from my main man Malfoy lol

Hello, fellow Slytherins. :]
I'm also a newly sorted Slytherin. I must say I am so happy to be sorted as one, even though my best friend is a ...hufflepuff I believe [xxkrakenslayerxx].

I was actually worried I wouldn't get Slytherin. I've just always been a fan of the Slytherin house, not because of the 'evil' persona it got, because of the other characteristics, that I guess people here at Veritaserum thought I had, which made me a happy person :]

So, hello, all.
I'm happy to be a member of Veritaserum, even happier to be a member of Slytherin.

Welcome xcupcake to the wonderful House of Slytherin. We are always thrilled to have new members joining our house Again welcome to our Common Room where we discuss everything that is Slytherin.

On a lighter, or perhaps heavier note, I just read that Joshua Herdman (Gregory Goyle), announced where the split for Deathly Hallows would be, right when the Trio gets captured by the Snatchers and before they head off to Malfoy Manor. And another thing, he indicated that it would be he who died and not Vincent Crabbe, due to the fact that Jamie Waylett would not be reprising his role as Crabbe.

Ok first of all this kinda sux, Goyle dying? When it was supposed to be Crabbe. My question is, are they going to completely omit Crabbe's charactor from the final book? Considering his charactor played a really big part, now it looks like all of the limelight is being re-directed towards Goyle's charactor. Why, oh why did they not just get a replacement Crabbe if they were not going to allow Jamie Waylett to come back after he got busted in the spring? This is going to totally put a new twist on the series, mixing things up.

Enough rambling on from me, what does everyone else here think of the latest development?

I am not happy about where the spilt is taking place because Malfoy Manor is my favorite part which means I am going to have to wait longer and I just barley missed it so it stinks for me. I also think it would have been better if they just replaced Jamie and got another Crabbe. I dont like how they are changing it and having Goyle die.

I agree they should have found someone else to replace Jamie Waylett instead of completely changing the story and killing off a charactor who was never meant to die in the first place I don't know why they switch things around like that anyway. It will suck when the break happens right before Malfoy Manor, then all of us will have to wait from like November to July to see what happens.

Again I'm disappointed with how they have decided to change the ending of the book.

I have to agree. Draco's passion for his 'so-called-friends' in the fire was one of the reasons I wanted him survive. It demonstrated his worth in his ability to 'love' his friends, something Harry has never seen from the Slytherin before. And perhaps the most important message of the books - our ability to love makes us worthy of love - will be lost without this rejoinder.

If Goyle dies, how are we going to feel that empathy that Harry feels for Draco in the heat of the moment?

Exactly it will seem so empty when Harry goes and rescues just Draco cause poor Goyle is burning like a marshmallow in the fire. And what will become of Crabbe's charactor because of this change? Will they somehow at the beginning mention that Voldy "killed" him and his family for dis loyalty, or that he ran off? I wonder how they will explain his absence...I'm very upset about the change in the story ending, I was so looking forward to Harry and Ron rescuing Draco and Goyle from the fiery inferno while Crabbe crashed and burned....Will Harry still feel that empathy for Draco? Or will it now be lost because of plot changes...I guess we'll have to wait till July 2011 to find out *sigh I am so impatient don't like waiting*