I reckon if he had managed to get his hands on the sword he would have been able to convert it into a horcrux, but because of the venom it would still have been able to destroy other horcruxes. Harry was a horcrux and he still destroyed other horcruxes of Voldemort, but I do wonder how the horcrux would have been destroyed if the sword had become one.

I'm not certain that gramatically that sentence made any sense but we'll see

I think that Voldemort, if he could get hold of the sword, would have been able to turn it into a horcrux. However, obviously JK Rowling thought that the sword NEEDED to be the one hogwarts house item to survive - because it would make sense to install an echo of the nature of Gryffindor through the sword. The fact that Voldemort was unable to get hold of Gryffindor's sword symbolizes how Gryffindor would be the one to save the day and defeat Slytherin.
Godric Gryffindor was like Harry in a way. Because he obviously had an adversary - Salazar Slytherin - and Harry had his - Voldemort. Voldemort and Salazar Slytherin are equivalent to eachother because they both went off to restore pure-blood wizards to the world and kill off all mudbloods. Unfortunately for him, Godric Gryffindor was the one to stand in his way; and the same can be said for Harry with Voldemort. I wouldn't be surprised actually if Slytherin tried to get rid of Gryffindor, like Voldemort tried with Harry. I bet that Gryffindor succeeded with his sword, and therefore when he died Gryffindor's spirit would have flowed into the sword, or something like that. And, therefore, the sword would have defeated Slytherin for a second and third time when Harry destroyed the diary, and when Neville killed Nagini.

I'm not sure. That's just a theory.

Ummm, hey. Just your average Slytherin here with a question and answer.

Why do you think Lord Voldemort was not able to get/use an item of Godric Gryffindor's for a Horcrux?

I think it's because Voldemort was a Slytherin, and Slytherins hate Gryffindors (I'm an exception, don't worry!), and he would hate to have a piece of him depend on Gryffindor.

Now for a question of my own that's been burning me for about a week now:

Gryffindor is represented by fire. Fire can be seen as powerful and kind, but also as power-hungry and unmerciful. Why is it that no one ever thinks of the Gryffindors that are power-hungry and unmerciful (like Peter Pettigrew)?

Gryffindor is represented by fire. Fire can be seen as powerful and kind, but also as power-hungry and unmerciful. Why is it that no one ever thinks of the Gryffindors that are power-hungry and unmerciful (like Peter Pettigrew)?

Well, I am guessing that the reason for that is the same as in the real world. People chose for themselves what is the most important for them to belive in. If you were selected into Gryffindor you would look at that as something positive, and even though the signs that symbolises gryffindors is the lion and also fire you would find the positive aspect of those things that represent your house. The lion kills animals to survive in the jungle, but it is also looked upon as brave, so naturally you would focus on the brave-part and not the killing part. And it is the same with the fire. It can be hungry and merciful, but also powerful and kind, so then you focus on the last part. People from other houses might look at it differently, but as you probably are faithful to your house you will focus on the good part.

Gryffindor is represented by fire. Fire can be seen as powerful and kind, but also as power-hungry and unmerciful. Why is it that no one ever thinks of the Gryffindors that are power-hungry and unmerciful (like Peter Pettigrew)?

I dont think that it is anything that we do intentionally, however because of the way society is, we try to push back the negative qualities that we see in other people. Admitting that someone has flaws takes away their heroic attributes and ultimetly causes everyone to realize that they are indeed humans just like everyone else. We build people up so far on golden pedastals that it is hard to imagine them ever having negative qualities.

It could also be argued that because there were not many cases of people being Power-hungry and unmerciful in Gryffindor, that occasionally, certain people, like Pettigrew, would slip through the cracks.

I think Peter Pettigrew was one of those people who just chose to be in Gryffindor. Though, i do think he used to hold many of the attributes and qualities associated with the house. The problem was that instead of using those attributes to help the right people (like James, Sirius, Lupin and Lily) he used them to help Voldemort instead. At the time, he felt more loyal to Voldemort, and so he was brave in the sense that he did what was goos for his master.
I also think that Pettigrew is two-faced and rather unpredictable. One minute he can be friends with you, but the next he can change hs loyalty all of a sudden and backstab you. He's not the sort of person you would trust, at all.

For some reason, i don't think it makes a difference which house you're in; you can still be a bad person even if you're in Griffindor. In my opinion, bravery, trust and loyalty are not attributes that fall into any category, they are universal qualities that anyone can possess. Which is why, sometimes, you get Slytherins, Ravenclaws or Hufflepuffs that are brave, trustworthy and loyal; and the same with being Selfish, Jealous or Cowardly.

I think that i'm a very trustworthy, loyal and true person, yet i can sometimes be a tiny bit selfish, meaning that i tend to revert some conversations back to myself; but that doesn't mean i'm not thinking of other people, i just can't help but talk about my own life. I am definitely not a jealous person. And, i am neither cowardly or brave - it depends on the situation really, but sometimes i may choose not to do something because i'm scared and other times i will go ahead and do it anyway as if i was ripping off a band aid; I'm not brave all the time in other words, and i'm not cowardly all the time neither.
- well there you are, a prime example of how i can turn a conversation into something about me ... don't take it personally though, it's just the way i am. I don't know why - It's strange - I'm not normally this selfish -

Yes, Peter Pettigrew is a bad person. However, sometimes you look at a group of people and you see the one person that doesn't really fit. The others made him a better person as his friend.When he betrayed their trust,he became a friendless person. He is a servant to his master, this means he has no real relationships with other people. What a sad life to life. He could have chosen to be in Gryffindor, but the Sorting Hat made a decision to place him there as well. I also think that it does not matter what house you are in, it is the person you are.

Gryffindor is represented by fire. Fire can be seen as powerful and kind, but also as power-hungry and unmerciful. Why is it that no one ever thinks of the Gryffindors that are power-hungry and unmerciful (like Peter Pettigrew)?

I agree that you don't like to think of peoples' negative qualities, but it's true that we all have them. All of the Houses have negative qualities attached to them, too, as well as the positive qualities that being Sorted into them are attributed to. Also, if you think about it, every single one, just about, of the good traits associated with each House could be so strong in someone that they actually become a bad thing. Like wanting to be powerful but ending up being power-hungry like Pettigrew kind of ended up being. Every person and every House has bad qualities in addition to good qualities, they are just in different proportions.

I agree with Norberta.. The Griffindors would take it positively and the others(mostly Slytherines) would take it negatively. The Lion symbolizes bravery, so it is apt. As for the fire.. Remember how fire can work against inferi? Well, JK Rowling might have kept that in mind while writting it.. True, Lion and Fire have negative points in them but mostly they can reflect positive points. I agree more with the positive ones... I have never read about a mean Griffindor(Except Pettigrew, but he too was brave)

I agree with Radcliffefreek

Just because they are both associated with bad things (Lion & Fire) doesn't mean that they are necessarily bad and i would also lean towards the positive sides. I agree also that even though Pettigrew was a jerk, mean, etc. he was also very very brave which shows why he was chosen as a Gryffindor rather than Slytherin.

I have a question.

We hear mostly about the Gryffindor quidditch team and they win almost all their matches, do you think they're the best team? What makes them such a great team?

I've always thought of Gryffindor as being the best quidditch team. We hear about how well the Slytherins are doing, but most of the time Gryffindor wins, unless there's a dementor or something. I think the reason they're so good is that all the players get along so well.

Yes, it's a pretty lame question, but I wanted there to be some sort of question since I haven't posted here in ages.

Chelsea

We hear mostly about the Gryffindor quidditch team and they win almost all their matches, do you think they're the best team? What makes them such a great team?

Hmm, I don't know if they're the best team. JKR just focuses on them the most since Harry's in them and you know, a lot of the main characters are. It means you don't hear as much about the others. They do win a lot, though. I think if they are the best, it's primarily because of WHO is on the team during the books. People who get along really well and have really good camaraderie with each other. They're really good, then, at promoting teamwork and being able to get along. If you're awesome at teamwork, then naturally, you're going to win a lot, unless it comes down to chance.

We hear mostly about the Gryffindor quidditch team and they win almost all their matches, do you think they're the best team? What makes them such a great team?

I think Wood said, when Harry first joined the team, that it had been a long time since they had won. I don't think Gryffindor won the cup before OOTP.

Anyway they are the best team(in my eyes) because they seem to get along. As Eisa said that is the reason to why they are winning. In addition they have the best players offcourse

Oh that's true. I forgot about that. Wood had been rather upset that they hadn't won in so long. They never really seemed to have too much trouble against Hufflepuff except the match when the dementor came. I always thought of Ravenclaw as being a tough team though.

Since we're on the subject of quidditch, who do you think is the best player on the Gryffindor team in all the years Harry was at Hogwarts?

Chelsea

Do you think that the symbolism behind LV not having a Gryffindor Horcrux could have anything to do with the rivalry between the two houses or Gryffindor's strength against Slytherin? Somewhat, like LV attacking everyone but DD?

I think back when Gryffindor lived, the animosity grew to such proporions between himself and Slytherin that Gryffindor decided to protect his house against Slytherin and his prejudices, thus creating the sorting hat and enchanting it not only to sort students including those which Slytherin would not have admitted to Hogwarts but alsoto give help to people who would fight against Slytherin's 'evil'. For example, in the CoS Harry pulls the sword out of the hat to use it against Slytherin's monster and to save others, inoccent people. Neville pulled the sword out of the hat to use against Slytherin's heir. Dumbledore told Harry that only a true Gryffindor could pull the sword out of the hat and I think that Gryffindor himself would define a true Gryffindor as anyone carrying on his work - ridding Hogwarts (indeed, not just Hogwarts) of Slytherin's evil.

Why do you think Lord Voldemort was not able to get/use an item of Godric Gryffindor's for a Horcrux?

As mentioned above, I think that Gryffindor made his sword, which by Voldemort's time was Gryffindor's only known remaining posession, accessible only to 'true Gryffindors' so that there would always be help for those who would stand up for what is right and what Gryffindor himself believed in.

Uhh...Hi! I'm from Slytherin, but don't worry, I'm nice.

We hear mostly about the Gryffindor quidditch team and they win almost all their matches, do you think they're the best team? What makes them such a great team?

I think that the reason we hear so much about the Gryffindor team is because Harry is a Gryffindor, and he's on the team. (as mentioned before) If Harry had been put in Slytherin like he almost was, we'd probably hear about that team more, and their wins would be focused on. It seems like Gryffindor wins more because these wins (I'm using the word "win" a lot...) are talked about afterward (the victory parties) , and other times.

Gryffindor is represented by fire. Fire can be seen as powerful and kind, but also as power-hungry and unmerciful. Why is it that no one ever thinks of the Gryffindors that are power-hungry and unmerciful (like Peter Pettigrew)?

Perhaps it's a coincidence. I personally think that the fire represents bravery, someone with a fiery heart.
Peter Pettigrew wasn't really power-hungry, he was just afraid of losing. He wanted to belong to the powerful side, yet whether or not he had power, probably didn't matter

I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaack! Did you miss me?

We hear mostly about the Gryffindor quidditch team and they win almost all their matches, do you think they're the best team? What makes them such a great team?

Well, it is a bit hard to say, because as we always see the other teams from Gryffindors point of view, deciding who the best team is could get a bit biased. You're also swayed by your House, and which House your favorite character is in, and if your favorite character is on their House's Quidditch team. I would say they have the best ability to play Quidditch, but I'm not sure if they're the most rounded team, because you need physical ability, enthusiasum, the ability to work well with your teammates, etc. And I think that Wood's excitement about Quidditch and Angelina's obsessing over everything being perfect puts a damper on the more mental parts of being the best team.

The thing that makes them such a great team is the fact that when Wood or Angelina isn't smothering the team, they do work well together, hence the complicated moves they pull off time and time again.

Did I bore you? Sorry if I did, and yay if I didn't!

I think the main reason that Griffindore always won was because all the team members were good players. They worked as a team, selflessly. The most brilliant player is Harry, in my opinion. He never failed to catch a snitch, unless there's a dementor or a Cormac to distract him.

I think it's partly because Gryffindor picked their players according to talent unlike slytherin who 'had to buy their way in' and also I think that Gryffindor understand alot more about the term team work. In my opinion team work is one of the most important elements of competing in a team sport. For example, in football there are certain teams who rely on their huge-name stars for success but other teams have been more successful through their team skills. I know it's a cliche but there is, afterall, no 'I' in 'team' and that is something Malfoy seems to forget. The Slytherins seem too busy trying to injure and foul players of the opposition than concentrating on winning themselves.

harryjpotter, I agree! Buying your way into a team is bad enough, but then if you're not even that good, it's, just, ugh! No, buying your way into anything is one of the lowest forms of trickery and deception, right down there with deliberatly (sp?) fouling and hurting your opponents because they're better at the sport then you.

Radcliffefreek, I do think that Harry is one of the best players that Gryffindor has ever seen, but don't forget the not-much-metioned Keeper. Even with classic Chasers, formidable Beaters, and a great Seeker, you really can't win a game without a Keeper. They're a bit like unsung heroes, if you will.

I must admit, I like your Common Room, it's very welcoming.....

Sorry I just had to quote you there. I love your bit there on deliberate fouling, I totally forgot to put that in. They do deefinately foul on purpose. I think it's in PoA where the Slytherin captain grabs a beaters bat and aims for the Gryffindor team. That must definately be a foul.

Ok, here's my opinion: as my sister would also say, those who have the right intentions and good character will succeed. I think that pretty much says it all really, about life in general. People who win at something win because of some sort of particular energy they give off.

The reason why Gryffindor kept winning (though they didn't always) was, i expect, because every person on the team were 'good' (not in terms of ability, but in terms of inner purity). If you put each person on the team together they make an unbeatable army, a force of good. Basically, success comes from being a good person and having good character, if you don't have that then you better start building some now.

When i was in high school we used to have 'Sports Day' every year. Before high school the team i was in on Sports Day never won. I used to think it was because of me, that i wasn't good; but the truth is, its not just about one person, it never is. The reason why we never one in Primary School was because there weren't enough people on the team who worked well together, we were just individual people who wanted different things. What i've learnt is that a good team is one that is made up of people who share a common goal.
Suddenly, in high school, i started getting good at sport, and our class won Sports Day four years in a row. Looking back, it sort of reminds me of Gryffindor and how they won most of the time. Every other class was starting to get annoyed with us because we always won. The thing is though, we worked together, we were like a family, and over the years we became stronger as a unit, tighter connected. We did have some close calls though, like for instance there was another class who also behved like a family, and i would personally associate them with the Hufflepuffs. They got really competitive with us.

That shows though doesn't it? To be a success, you need to have good character; every cog in a clock must work together and they must have the same goal in order for the clock to work.

Here's the questions:
Do you think that the symbolism behind LV not having a Gryffindor Horcrux could have anything to do with the rivalry between the two houses or Gryffindor's strength against Slytherin? Somewhat, like LV attacking everyone but DD?
Actually, I believe he did have a Gryffindor Horcrux, even though he didn't realize he did. Harry was his Gryffindor Horcrux! I think the possibility of him creating a different Gryffindor Horcrux would be far too difficult for him to do. Dumbledore knew when Voldemort was looking for valuable items and he made sure to secure them...like the Sorcerer's stone for example. Only those who looked into the mirror and wanted to use the stone for Good could get the stone. Voldemort didn't have pure intentions so he couldn't get the stone.

and

Why do you think Lord Voldemort was not able to get/use an item of Godric Gryffindor's for a Horcrux?
1- for the same reason mentioned above. Dumbledore was smarter than Voldemort and couldn't be controlled by him. He took great measures to ensure that valuable items were secure.
And 2- Only true Gryffindor's at heart can yield the sword of Gryffindor. Even if Voldy wanted to make it into a Horcrux he never could have acquired it. He wasn't a Gryffindor at heart.

Do you think that the symbolism behind LV not having a Gryffindor Horcrux could have anything to do with the rivalry between the two houses or Gryffindor's strength against Slytherin? Somewhat, like LV attacking everyone but DD?

I was recently listing the horcruxes out and it really stood out to me that there isn't a Gryffindor one. Even though it's been in my face for a long time haha. I think that the Dark Lord probably didn't want to give Gryffindor the respect of putting something of huge value to him in it. I think it's different that why he didn't attack DD though.

Why do you think Lord Voldemort was not able to get/use an item of Godric Gryffindor's for a Horcrux?

The Dark Lord is so powerful, I believe he could get his hands on anything, except perhaps love and friendship. I think not having a Gryffindor horcrux was a choice. If he could get his hands on the Hufflepuff cup and the Ravenclaw diadem, I'm sure he could have managed to acquire the sword. I think he preferred having Gaunt's ring in place of it though.

Do you think that the symbolism behind LV not having a Gryffindor Horcrux could have anything to do with the rivalry between the two houses or Gryffindor's strength against Slytherin? Somewhat, like LV attacking everyone but DD?

The Dark Lord certainly had plenty of contempt for Gryffindors. I can truly believe that he wouldn't want any part of himself in something that belonged to Godric Gryffindor. Maybe I imagined it but didn't Godric and Salazar become enemies? If so, that would surely dissuade the Dark Lord from wanting to be near anything Gryffindor.

Why do you think Lord Voldemort was not able to get/use an item of Godric Gryffindor's for a Horcrux?

Of course the Dark Lord could have gotten something of Godric Gryffindor's had he wanted to, the idea that he couldn't is kind of laughable. I think he just had too much contempt for what Gryffindor stood for to want any part of his soul in a Gryffindor item. Considering the Sword of Gryffindor was used to destroy his horcrux, perhaps the Dark Lord was smart enough to recognize that it would have been a really poor choice for housing a piece of his soul.

Do you think that the symbolism behind LV not having a Gryffindor Horcrux could have anything to do with the rivalry between the two houses or Gryffindor's strength against Slytherin? Somewhat, like LV attacking everyone but DD?

This is a very interesting topic. I have never thought about it, but I suppose Voldemort was too much Un-Gryffindorish, since he was obsessed with dark magic and Sytherin. I agree that he might not use Gryffindor horcrux because he didn't want to put many importance on this particular house. On the other hand, he might not used it exactly because of the rivalry between these two houses, knowing how Godric and Salazar weren't in the best respect.

Why do you think Lord Voldemort was not able to get/use an item of Godric Gryffindor's for a Horcrux?

Umm... Maybe he didn't reach it.
Even if he gave a thought about using Griffyndor's item for a horcrux, he might have not been able finding it.
We know that the Sorting Hat belonged to Godric Gryffindor, and later the Godric's sword that Harry got.
But I myself haven't found the way of being able making the Sorting Hat into a horcrux without deducting its powers.
Anyway, If anyone noticed the disablement of the Sorting Hat, it would have been denounced, and wizards will realise very soon the reason of its inability. This way, revealing the presence of a horcrux, the distruction of his horcrux is certain.

I was recently listing the horcruxes out and it really stood out to me that there isn't a Gryffindor one. Even though it's been in my face for a long time haha. I think that the Dark Lord probably didn't want to give Gryffindor the respect of putting something of huge value to him in it. I think it's different that why he didn't attack DD though.
The Dark Lord is so powerful, I believe he could get his hands on anything, except perhaps love and friendship. I think not having a Gryffindor horcrux was a choice. If he could get his hands on the Hufflepuff cup and the Ravenclaw diadem, I'm sure he could have managed to acquire the sword. I think he preferred having Gaunt's ring in place of it though.

-Acidpop



I disagree with you there acidpop that Voldemort would not have wanted a Gryffindor item as a horcrux. I think he would have wanted one to show that he and his Slytherin descendancy is stronger and more powerful than Gryffindor. I think if he had had the chance he would definately have picked the sword instead of Nagini for example. Voldemort would like to think he is better than Gryffindor, his natural family enemy. He would want to prove that he is stronger and laugh in the face of Gryffindor to think that Gryffindor's last remaining artefact is now at the service of Lord Voldemort and would always be if the horcruxes had never been discovered and if he had managed to retrieve the sword. The sword was encased in age old enchantments which the other founders' items were not.

I also have to disagree with you that Voldemort was so powerful he could have gotten the sword if he had wanted. He was only a powerful wizard, or seen as one because he used dark magic that people fighting for good like Dumbledore wree 'too noble to use'. He also used terror and intimidation to achieve his ends which is not powerful but weak to have to employ such means. Voldemort made himself as near as invincible as possible through study and murder, not through powerful magic. He will have known spells that the light side did not but only because they would not stoop to his level and use such dark magic.

In my opinion Voldemort's means of gaining power were cowardly just like every villain you come across. Being feared for being evil does not make you powerful.

Evil or not, the Dark Lord was a Slytherin, he would have done what he had to in order to get what he wanted. That makes me think that he really didn't want a Gryffindor artifact for his horcrux collection. Gryffindors always meddle in things, doing "what's right", surely the Dark Lord could have predicted that and not put one of his precious horcruxes some place where Harry Potter or some other Gryffindor could pull it out of a freakin hat. He knew that when people were going to battle with him it would be the brave Gryffindors. You just don't put your power into your enemy's hands. He put a horcrux in Bellatrix Lestrange's vault, not James Potter's. I think he knew making a Gryffindor horcrux would be as bad as doing that.

I'll never stop arguing how powerful the Dark Lord is. Just because he's had dark leanings from the start doesn't mean that he's not truly powerful. When he was just a young boy he learned he learned to harness his magic and use it to it's full extent, that is the beginnings of power, even if it is dark.

Just because Voldemort was a Slytherin and just because Slytherins' determination almost always gets them what they want doesn't mean that Voldemort would have succeeded at everything.
I think Gryffindor's determination not to let Slytherin win accounted for powerful spells against Slytherin, as I have said before, only letting a true Gryffindor get hold of his sword with the wish to thwart Salazar Slytherin, their sworn enemy. I doubt he knew that Gryffindor's sword was accessible to Gryffindors in such a way, I don't think he would have been able to access it in the first place because of the enchantments placed upon it by Gryffindor.

Voldemort was nothing but an evil so and so. He was called powerful because he was feared. That doesn't mean his power was the be all and end all which it certainly was proved not to be - he was defeated afterall!

Hello all of you Gryffindors! (I am so jealous - I wanted to be in Gryffindor!!)

Do you think that the symbolism behind LV not having a Gryffindor Horcrux could have anything to do with the rivalry between the two houses or Gryffindor's strength against Slytherin? Somewhat, like LV attacking everyone but DD?

I do believe that because of the rivalry between Gryffindor and Slytherin made Voldy not make a Gryffindor horcrux. However, there is one thing which is close to the Gryffindor house - Harry Potter. But because Harry was killed by Voldy so then Harry would be able to kill Voldy later in the Great Hall,

Do you think that the symbolism behind LV not having a Gryffindor Horcrux could have anything to do with the rivalry between the two houses or Gryffindor's strength against Slytherin? Somewhat, like LV attacking everyone but DD?

I think so...because Gryffindor's the Slytherin's greatest opponent. Ever since the beginning, they're against each other. I believe Voldemort's aware of the rivalry since he already got his own rivals from there: First Dumbledore then Harry Potter. How can he put a piece of his soul with a Gryffindor on it when he hates it and fears that someone from that house will defeat him? Well he's right about his fears for it happened

Yes he feared Dumbledore but I don't think he feared Gryffindor. I think he would have wanted to get one over Gryffindor, he would have wanted to show he had power even over Gryffindor. He would have wanted the sword as a 'trophy of particularly nasty pieces of magic' or as a symbol if his might.

harryjpotter,
I love the way you think.

Now that you've mentioned it [ how Voldemort wanted the sword as a trophy of his might, in order to prove how powerful he was even over Gryffindor], it does seem logical... But I can't help myself not to rethink why he hadn't had any of Gryffindor horcruxes, if he wanted to prove himself that badly.

Okay, I know... It sounds more like philosophy when I start talking... But, isn't there anyone who shares my opinion, thinking there is more than Harry and Dumbledore who could stand on Voldemorts way, since he wasn't able having Gryffindor horcruxes....?

Yes, Nox I do share this opinion, there are signs of it along theseries for example Neville, Hermione and Ron all destroy a horcrux each. Also, the Order of the Phoenix thwarted many of his attempts to get to the prophecy, in short everyone who resisted Voldemort stood in his way. Just that Harry and Dumbledore were seen by him as the biggest threats.

Once again Voldemort underestimates the power and determination of others and this underestimation proves to be his downfall.

You want to know what was the Dark Lord's downfall? Ollivander giving Harry the brother wand. I'm sure that if he kept trying another wand would have worked. If Harry had a different wand he would have died after the triwizard tournament and that would be that.

Really harryjpotter you flatter Gryffindor. To say that the Dark Lord could get his hands on the heirlooms for all the other houses and not Gryffindor implies that it is in some way the superior house. I still think that it is an insult to Gryffindor that he didn't use a horcrux. I think it was saying that you may be part of Hogwarts, but you aren't worthy for part of my soul.

Acidpop, dearest acidpop yes I do flatter Gryffindor. It is my house afterall^^



As for the wand, that may be true. But he may even have been killed before the end of GoF. But I doubt it. Since he is the hero of the books Jo would not have let that happen so easily.

Also, acidpop, there are certain hints in the books that point towards Voldemort wanting the Gryffindor artefact as his horcrux.

Ah yes, it is healthy to have a certain amount of pride for your house.

I'm interested that you say there are hints that he wanted a Gryffindor horcrux. Perhaps I should go back and reread. Could you please tell me what these hints you speak of are?

Hints are as follows (or as far as I can remember them):



In HBP Dumbledore tells Harry Voldemort wanted to look for something inside the castle but by this point he had all his horcruxes except Nagini (discussed on p472 HBP British first edition)

Dumbledore: 'I think he (Voldemort) felt a great pull towards the school and that he could not resist an object so steeped in Hogwarts' history.' (p412 HBP British first edition)

Dumbledore: 'he (Voldemort) set out to track down objects owned by Gryffindor and Ravenclaw. Four objects from the four founders would, I am sure, have exerted a powerful pull over Voldemorts imagination.' (p472 HBP British first edition)

Dumbledore: 'he never fulfilled his ambition of collecting four founders' objects.' (p473 HBP British first edition)



Dumbledore says this about Voldemort and his horcruxes after years of research and investigation. I think he got it right. Let's face it, when is he ever wrong? Yes, he makes mistakes but here I think he got it right.

There's just some from HBP.

I admire the effort you have put forward to prove your point. Your argument is very well researched, and I appreciate that.

However, all of what you have to say is about what Dumbledore said or thought. How do you know Dumbledore was right? Those are his speculations. Just because Dumbledore said it does not make it correct.

That's true, it is Dumbledore's opinion. I even say as much

But my point is, I think we can trust Dumbledore to know what he is talking about because he did, afterall discover the existence of the horcruxes. He even knew what would happen to Harry should Voldemort use the Avada Kedavra curse even though such an event had never occured at least recorded and known to wizardkind.

It is in Voldemort's nature to want to control such objects as those of the founders just as it is in his nature to want to triumph over Gryffindor. He would have wanted to see Gryffindor at his feet, in his service. He would have wanted exert this power over Gryffindor, make Gryffindor work for him, serve him.

I think Dumbledore is right when he said Voldemort would not have been able to resist it. It is true as many Slytherins have said that Voldemort saw Gryffindor as being beneath him but this is exactly why he would want to have a Gryffindor horcrux - to show his might and that everything, even his enemy is in his power.

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Many interesting theories and topics to discuss about!


First of all, I truly believe in Dumbledores .... Senses... Or whatever he had in order to flair the upcoming events that accurate. In connection with that, I approve every of his speculations with deep respect and unconditional belief. I think he was one of the wisest people of the wizard kind.

On the other hand, we have Voldemort, longing for might and immortality. The most powerful dark wizard ever known to the wizardry world! His lordship could be very easily verified by the fact he has the Gryff horcrux. I'm still insisting this one, since I am not quite sure who or what could stop HIM to do something he wanted the most - - - proving himself even to his enemies.

Yes I agree with your thoughts especially where you say proving himself to his enemies. You've done a better job of voicing my theory than I have

harryjpotter


I am truly impressed with the amount of time and energy you must have put in to prove your point with references regarding the Dark Lord's quest for a Gryffindor horcrux. That was outstandingly well done and I believe that you not only won that argument but may have dented the pride of all Slytherins.


Let us all remember to research and fact check before challenging
harryjpotter.

I have a new question for Gryffindors:



Who do you think is the bravest Gryffindor and why?



Personally I think it is between Harry and Neville. Harry has always put himself before his friends and has always tried to do what is right regardless of putting himself in danger. In the end he went so far as to take the Killing Curse in a bid to save everyone else. He went to Voldemort with the knowledge that he would die. And then when he could have gone on and had eternal peace he chose to save those still fighting.

Neville has also always showed his bravery even if not in as big ways as Harry. In PS he tried to stand up for his house and prevent the trio from losing them more house points. It was in PS where Neville fought Crabbe and Goyle at the quidditch match against Hufflepuff. He stuck up for Harry in OotP when most thought Harry was a raving lunatic. He also fought at the Ministry and with the D.A, in fact in DH he was one of the few who really channelled real energy into the rebellion at Hogwarts. Also, at the final battle, it was Neville who broke free of the crowd right in front of Voldemort knowing what could happen if he did what he did and then killing Nagini.

I think the bravest Gryffindor was Colin Creevey ... just kidding!

I tend to agree that it's a toss up between Harry and Neville. In the end I have to go with Neville. Harry had the support of Ron and Hermione as well as Dumbledore and several other adults/characters that it was somewhat easier for him to do all he had to. Neville, however, was ridiculed by many of his professors and his own grandmother. He didn't have a lot of friends to give him support and he had the knowledge of what happened to his parents and the shame he felt from that to contend with.

Neville managed to overcome all of this. With the confidence gained in the DA he became a much more talented wizard which carried over to his 7th year when he and Ginny kept hope alive within Hogwarts for the non-Slytherin students. It was his final act of defiance, when he stood up to LV at the final battle in order to defeat Nagini that sealed his fate as the most brave Gryffindor. Harry did not tell Neville WHY he needed to kill Nagini, just that he needed to. Neville blindly trusted Harry and did what he thought was right in defying LV and killing Nagini.

Or, maybe I think Romalda Vane is the most brave Gryffindor. Haha, again, just kidding!

The bravest Gryffindor? Yeah, I think it was Neville, too. He wasn't at the beginning but I think he really grew into his potential. It was awesome to see how he went from losing his toad around every corner and not even being able to look Prof. Snape in the eye to doing all the things he did 5th-7th years. Although really, he had hints of it even in the first book, when he managed to stand up to his friends. That takes a LOT and he still did it.

Ok so after my question about the bravest Gryffindor I was thinking along the opposite lines:

Which Gryffindor(s) should not have been sorted into Gryffindor and why? Are there any people who should have been in Gryffindor who weren't?

Ok number 1 for me is (guess who) Peter 'filthy stinkin' turncoat' Pettigrew. He is the most cowardly thing ever to have entered through the doors of Hogwarts and certainly embodied none of Gryffindor's qualities that I can see.
Some way call him brave for returning to Voldemort but as Sirius said, he was only seeking the protection of someone stronger. Did his Gryffindor qualities reveal themselves in DH at that fateful scene in the cellar? I always got the impression he was too surprised and confused to act rather than showing mercy.

As for someone who should have been in Gryffindor, I am sorely tempted to say Snape. But I won't. I'll say Tonks instead. She was a Hufflepuff and while Hufflepuffs have many wonderful qualities I see Tonks as being more of a Gryffindor - she was incredibly brave in her work for the order although her feelings towards Lupin show an uncommon kindness and compassion that I would associate with Hufflepuffs.

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I too believe that Neville was most likely the bravest Gryffindor as opposed to Harry. My reasons are that with Harry is was just kind of expected of him. Everyone was watching to see if he would be extraordinary and while they were in awe of him having to defeat Voldemort as part of each year growing up, they began to see it as Harry just glory seeking. With Neville, he really had nothing to prove except maybe to himself that he was worthy to even be a wizard in the first place. Nevilles self confidence was shattered by the loss of his parents and also by his Gran always telling him that he wasn't nearly as good as his father. The other reason I think Neville is really brave is that in the sixth year Harry pretty much knew that he would need to put himself in harms way facing Voldemort and he has had time to prepare himself for that. Neville didn't know that his last year at Hogwarts was going to require him to step out and be a leader when doing so could get him beaten or tortured. He didn't have to organize anyone to rebel against the Carrows or Snape but he did. And of course the beheading of Nagini was just brilliant!


Which Gryffindor(s) should not have been sorted into Gryffindor and why? Are there any people who should have been in Gryffindor who weren't?

Would it be too terrible if sometimes I though Ron shouldn't be in Gryffindor? *don't shoot me!!* I don't know...I just feel like sometimes he isn't terribly brave. It's almost like he just goes along with Harry because he is afraid of not having Harry's friendship because that would truly make him ordinary. I almost feel like he should have been in Hufflepuff and in that way, JKR could have truly broken down the house lines by having Ron and Harry turn out to be good friends.

I too, want to say Severus deserved a chance to be in Gryffindor but somehow that doesn't fit. He wanted to be a Slytherin, he chose it as Harry chose not to be one. I don't think his love for Lily and doing the right thing by spying against voldemort and protecting Harry necessarily qualifies him as being in Gryffindor. Snape's personality is very Slytherinish despite those things.
Actually, I don't know of anyone else who should have been a Gryffindor. The characterizations given to them were pretty spot on with the houses that JKR gave them.

Ah I love the common room threads. They're my favorite.

Which Gryffindor(s) should not have been sorted into Gryffindor and why? Are there any people who should have been in Gryffindor who weren't?

Of course upon reading this the first thought to come to mind was Peter Pettigrew. I decided to look closer at the situation and figure out why he is a Gryffindor. I don't think the sorting hat makes mistakes. Alright, please no one criticize me too harshly for the following ideas. I'm just trying to justify his sorting.

First off, I find myself holding loyalty as a Gryffindor quality a lot when in fact it is actually associated with Hufflepuff. The sorting had even said so.

"These belong in Hufflepuff,
Where they are just and loyal.
Those patient Hufflepuffs are true
And unafraid of toil. "

I guess loyalty gets mixed up with courage a lot, especially often since Harry is so loyal to his friends and the Order's cause.

For now, let us drop the loyalty trait from Peter's case. I'm sure when Peter was handing over the Potter's information to Voldemort, he was afraid of what the Order would do to him if they found him. I mean I'm sure he could imagine Sirius' anger at him turning the Potters over. That would take a lot of nerve, just not in a good away at all.

You see Peter really doesn't have qualities of any of the houses. We know he is not loyal like a Hufflepuff, it's clear he isn't cunning like a Slytherin (not to mention a Slytherin wouldn't have gotten themselves into that mess that Peter did) and he does not have any wit or cleverness to speak of. I think that Gryffindor was probably the best suited for him because he had the nerve to be so bold as to clearly backstab people. Usually though Gryffindors are thought of to be people like Harry and Neville who are brave and stand up for good. However, there is bound to be one like Peter every once in a while who is just horrible. Every house needs some bad seeds.

I hope that made sense and it wasn't too terribly long.

But hey everyone, why was Romilda a Gryffindor? That one just seemed odd to be...

That made me laugh. Because I've been wondering the same thing. She... majorly irritating, very sneaky and sly, incredibly in your face and a general all round ... annoying person. Well I suppose if you can count it as bravery that she risked punishment, possibly even expulsion to slip Harry love potions all for the sake of a bluidy Christmas party.
Romilda Vane is lost on me. Jo named Romilda after the charity that Dan Radcliffe fronts. EDIT - as acidpop points out, it's actually Demelza that Jo named after the charity lol, I reckon I need my bed *yawn*

Oh and may I say how very positive your post is acidpop.
you're right about one thing - Peter is the most disloyal snivelling bit of something-or-other that ever was mentioned in the books. I hate writing about him in my fanfic, una-blooming-voidalbe more's the pity.

I also must agree with you when you say loyalty and bravery get mixed up. it's commonly done in the case of Gryffindor and hufflepuff and that is then a great shame because it causes people to overlook this wonderful quality in Hfflepuffs in favour of 'everyone's favourite house' Gryffindor.

P.S. I am actually fast asleep while writing this.