Anyone who like X-men?
The comics or the movies...Maybe the cartoon series.

Yeah, I think its a fascinating series. I liked the movies a lot. The cartoon series were ok but I've stopped watching most tv programs nowadays. Overall, good

i love reading them. i read only ultamite X-Men. I also read ultimate spiderman and runaways.

i luv xmen and superman !spiderman

I never been a fan of X men but the films were ok i guess i wern't much of a fan of them aswell. I liked the second film more than the first thats for sure.

Spiderman i like well i like it more than x men anyways

Hey I LOVE X-Men Evolution!!! the cartoon, i mean...its fantastic! i just finished watching it right now...i watch it everyday and enjoy it a lot too...really...i'm always excited about x-Men, just as much as i am bout Harry Potter!!!

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Yes! I read the comics (not all of them though), watch the cartoons and I've watched the films as well. My favourite characters are Gambit, Wolverine and Rogue - in that order.

My favourite X-Men artist, is Salvador Larroca. I'm not sure about my favourite writer. although I think it has been a little shaky lately, anyway.

I have been an X-Men fan for years, I just love the idea of people been born with powres like that.

My fav characters are Nightcrawler, Quicksilver and Pyro.

Oh I loved the Cartoon series as a kid, and I thought the Evolution series was amazing. I loved Shadowcat.

I'm not a comic fans. Comics in general are a little too OTT for me. And the films were pretty boring

I ABSOLUTELY love X-MEN. I thought the films were brilliant although everytime I watch them I just WISH Rogue could fly and have her super strength!

But I've been a fan since I was like 6 or 7. I remember me and my brother never missed an episode. We used to just wait and anticipate it all week then finally, Saturday morning! I remember actually most of the episodes, but one of the first was actually my favorite, when you get to see a lot of Morph. They him and Beast got attacked by the Sentinals and Wolverine thought they were dead. It's amazing what I remember...and yet I could never seem to remember how to do algebra!

I can't actually remember how I got so into the X-Men movies. But I think theyre amazing. Isn't there meant to be a 3rd one..?

Anyway, I love Wolverine, but doesn't everyone. Besides Hugh Jackman being one of the fittest things walking the Earth, he fits the role like a hand to a glove. Awww...

Yeah!
I'm really happy about having found this thread, I was thinking about it a few days...
I have to say that I never read one of tho comics, because they're kind of expensive here in Germany...
But I know X-Men evolution, because it comes in Tv on some cartoon channels...
And I LOVE the movies. I've seen the Dvd's for several times
My favourite character is Nightcrawler, maybe because he's German. But what an accent in the movies, that's horrible... (Just like in the "die hard" movies)

And yeah, there will be X-Men -the last resistance (I think it's called this way), coming out on 25 may 2006, I'm really looking forward to it...
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Major X-Men fan since the first comic book came out....yes, I own a well-read copy of X-MEN #1. And New Mutants #1 and X-Factor #1. Regrettably I discontinued all my subscriptions when there got to be more X-Titles than I could keep up with in a month. . Didn't know there was a cartoon verzion - shows you how often I turn on my TV. But I also love the movies and can't wait for the new one as it include my all-time favorite X-Man, The Angel!

Hey guys!
Has anyone seen the third movie already? I have to say that I'm a bit disappointed, because the movie was like two hours cut down to one and a half hours... And I think that the characters weren't shown deeply enough. And where was the real connection between Angel and the others? He was shown so big on the posters (at least here)...
And one question, while hoping I don' tell you too much if you didn't see the movie already, the chess figure (in the last scene with magneto) did it move or not? I think it did, but my friend said, it didn't... *being kind of confused*
And the most important thing ever: Where was Kurt Wagner, the Nightcrawler? He was my favourite character in the last movie! :'(
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Hey, I just found this forum! My first non-Harry Potter post

I just saw the third movie last night with a group of friends and we all thought it was awful. I loved the first two, so I was really disappointed. So many of the new characters were wasted - like DoubleD said, Arch Angel had no purpose for being there, Beast (the big blue guy) looked like the Cookie Monster from Sesame Street, and Juggernaut could not have been any more irritating if he tried. And what was up with the dialogue?!?! I mean, I know it's a comic book movie, but come on! Nearly everything said by Wolverine was a cheesy one-liner. I cringed at almost every line! Poor Jean, my favorite character, spends most of the movie standing around staring blankly. I didn't feel satisfied with the "explanation" of what was going with her either. And the big climax at the end feels so unnecessary - I thought of two ways that it could have gone differently that would have made more sense, but I guess they wanted the end to be as melodramatic as possible (or did it happen that way in the comics? I won't go into detail to avoid spoiling, but I seriously recommend waiting for the DVD if you MUST see this wreck ).

The whole movie just felt cheap - none of the soul of the first two. The movie spends all its time (and it's kinda short, so there isn't much) on special effects and flashy scenes with no substance. And what's worse is that there are little bits of plot and character imbedded within the mess that are intriguing, but never fully developed. So you know that they could have made a better movie, but didn't. The mantra of so many big movies these days seems to be "Less thinking, more doing!", and X-Men 3 is no exception.

Oh, and to DoubleD....the chess scene....it did move a little. I don't know what that's about. I've read that this was meant to be the last one, but I guess they wanted to leave it open for possible sequels? If they make another, I hope they have a different director - maybe go back to the same guy who did the first two? *crosses fingers hopefully*

The newpapers reviewers thought it was pretty good, and I was really thinking of going to see it this weekend, but after reading the opinions here, I'm not so sure. Guess the change in directors really did make a big difference. I heard there were a lot more action scenes, but the core of the X-Men is the characters. Sad to hear they were not developed more.

Today I saw The Last Stand and though it did not meet all of my expectations, I'm not disappointed with the trilogy's end. There are scenes interspersed in the film that to me spoke figuratively well about independence of our own abilities and choices we make yet not allowing our talents and skills to rule over our actions. The plot points of the 'cure', Jean Grey's plight, Xavier's and Magneto's parting of philosophies and Logan's (Wolverine's) plight all IMO carried said theme. The cure aspect in particular mobilized the power players like Xavier's School with his supporters, the US government, Worthington Labs and the growing militant capability of Magneto's Brotherhood all drew in the characters major, supporting and minor alike to potentially adapt and come to their own. Without delving too far into the details, some characters succeeded to develop and others did not. Those that did seemed to fulfill the thematic progression and for that I'm grateful.

It's going to be an unseasonably warm day, we don't have our air-conditioners uncovered and running yet, so I'm going to the movies to see X-3.

The end!

I LOVE X-men! So does my mum and my bro! We watched X1 and X2 today like loads of times. Too bad Jean died. I loved the comics and the cartoons.

I saw X-men at the weekend, and it was pretty good Althought I was disappointed at Angel's miniscule part I thought because of the lead up to him in the begining (that was him cutting his wings off at the beginning) and the fact that he's in the posters, well, i thought he was going to get a bigger part.

Alas, he didn't. I suppose he's pretty important to the plot as it's because of him his father devloped the 'cure' so... But Angel as one of my favourite X-men, as a kid, that and Nightcrawler and Rouge. I used to watch the cartoons etc as a kid, i like to think as myself as child of X-men, lol.

Elizabeth? The chess peice was metal, Magneto could malipulate metal, and he was supposedly 'cured' so the point it was getting at was that he wasn't cured. I don't know if this means that the cure is temporary, didn't work on him, or their wasn't any medicine in the needles, but... yeah. I was a bit 'Man! You can't 'cure magneto! He's brilliant!'

All in all, I loved the movie! But then again, nothing x-men can go wrong. Nor Hugh Jackman in leather....

Oh, yeah the script was awful, but then again, so was Star Wars so... yeah

I love x-men!!! (not as much as HP though) I just saw the 3rd movie yesterday, and it was awesome!!

i do like them, but i don't think this is the place to discuss that , no offense

Heheh! You ain't joking, there! <wiping some drool off of my chin>

Saw it today, yippee! Firstly-characterizations: I thought they did pretty well (except for Psylocke, don't even get me started . . . .) at casting this one. Warren, aside from being too short, did a good job as Archangel. Ygraine, I was a little surprised at how little he was in the movie as well, but his role was key and he did have some awesome wings. Callisto annoyed the crap out of me-when the heck did she develope super-speed?? I thought they dressed the "Brotherhood" too similarly. . .but that's just personal opinion. Um, characterization, right. . .There really wasn't any character developement. I suppose you could say that Wolvie developed from someone unwilling to sacrifice his love into someone who could finally see the bigger picture. They tried, and failed, developing all of that ice-man/rogue/kitty junk. (Helloooo?? Peter was RIGHT there??) Oh, I didn't like Kitty at all Her powers and usage were cool, but as a character, she wan't on. She seemed to insecure and whiny. I like her with some spunk. (Pepperimp, where are you?? Back me up, here!)

Plot- Pretty decent, as far as comic-book, action-adventures go. The action was great. It was cool (heh) to finally see Bobby "iced" up. Booyah! (Did I really just say that?) I thought the plot-development was fairly cut-and-dry, and well executed. (whatever happened to that poor family in the car??)

Looking ahead: I believe that showing Magneto moving the King piece means that the "cure" doesn't eliminate the mutant gene; perhaps it supresses it for a while. (Maybe they'll give us the Legacy virus after all?) It seems that it shows that you can't change who you are, you have to accept it. That makes me happy because Rogue should definately NOT lose her powers to some stupid cure . . .maybe it'll enhance her powers more and she'll get Miss Marvels powers (as in the comics) through it. I miss invulnerable, flying Rogue. That's half of her fun!

Jean Grey isn't dead. They kill her off every other year, and she always comes back. I'm holding onto Marvel sway here. You can't kill Jean. (By the way, I actually like this explanation of the Phoenix (a little better than the comics, sad to say, as I never did "get" the Shi'ar empire). JEEAAANN! Oh, and however annoying it may be, you can't kill a Summers either. Sigh.

They did a great job with Beast. Hank's always had a spot in my heart though, ever since his cartoon incarnation quoted "Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow. . creeps in this petty pace from day to day. . ." He was fierce in the movie when moved to action. It was great.

Sad to say that I actually laughed when I saw the scene after the credits. Out loud. In a room full of sober theatre goers. Laughed. Now I'm answering the phone: "Hello, Moira."


Intense movie. Good action. Good, if not a lot, Plot. Weak script? A little. I think it's the best one. Oh, and good old Stan got an extra-long cameo for his collection, too. Isn't that nice. . ..

I generally agree with you, passerby, though being the bitter cynic that I am, I fall more in the group of disliking the movie than liking it (which it would seem I'm kind of alone in that opinion here), but I didn't hate it either. I really didn't think it was the best one at all. And a pretty poor ending furthermore if it does indeed turn out to be the last as they say it's supposed to be (other than the spin-offs like Wolverine and Magneto). I don't want to get too deeply into it because I've gone on about the movie too much since I've seen it (and for a whole year before I ever saw it too) already, and I'm about ready to move on to other things now. BUT, for a quick run-through... I agree casting was pretty good, but character development in general was either nonexistent or a joke. I was none too happy with that.



Glad I'm not the only one who was thinking that! If they're going to go to the trouble of including both Colossus and Kitty Pryde in larger roles, why, oh why, would they not just go for the gold and put them together? Even if it's just a tiny, little part of the movie. Instead we get this goes-nowhere teen melodrama-soapy kinda triangle... That's just... not good.



Personally, I'd go harder on it, but that may just be me. The "cure" was all right as a plot-point, but I would have preferred something a bit more Phoenix-oriented. Because when you get right down to it... Phoenix was not really much involved in the plot. Not really. She pretty much just stood there the whole movie... It was more like they just wanted to use her as like the ultimate weapon or something... which I just think is a poor usage of her. And I for one did not like their explanation for Phoenix at all. I didn't need the explanation from the comics necessarily. I never thought they were going to quite go "there" in the movies anyway, but I do need more than we got at least. I thought it was a poor way to explain it that basically just served to say, "Oh this is why she didn't die and why she's so freakin' powerful," so that her purpose as the ultimate weapon could be served by the story... so all around, I just didn't really like that.

I do agree on the action, though. It's fun enough to watch. It gets points for that.

Other than that, I have other things, lots of nitpicks, but... Again, I didn't actually hate it either. I'll probably even buy it on DVD when it comes out. But it's not what I would have liked to have. So for now, I'm holding out hope that someday, somehow the X-Men movie of my dreams will somehow get made. It'll never happen, but... I can dream.

Oh, and one last thing...



That's hilarious. I think I might just have to steal that.

Traz, how'd I know that you be with me on the Kitty/Peter front? Looking at it after a day to digest, I can see how it would be disappointing as far as plot. They really didn't do enough with Jean after all of that Phoenix explanation. She did just stand an awful lot, didn't she? The director's job was easy there - "stand and look depressed." Okay, I can handle that one.

Films in general don't leave me disappointed because I don't go into them expecting brilliance anymore (unless Kenneth is involved). Ahem. But, I can definately see where they could have focused a little more on development and not left it as much of an humans-scared/Magneto-bad/Mutants-misunderstood/X-men
-mutants-who-are-sometimes-bad-or-good-and-are-trying-to-be
-understood. Yeah, we know all that. Let's get some more meat on the bones now.

As for your nitpicks. . .aren't those half the fun of criticising it? (Did I mention my Psylocke problem? And that's not even nitpicky!)

And so, "hello, Moira."

Hey, I just wanted to make it clear that I DID understand that the chess piece was metal and what its movement implied, I just didn't want to give the ending away for those who hadn't seen it yet. And I thought it was kind of weird for them to include it if this was really the last X-Men movie. It's like they wanted to leave it open for sequels even though they said it was the last for sure.

Anyway, just wanted to clear that up.



If they do make another one, I hope you're right.

Yeah Hugh Jackman in leather *druels* and when it was all coming off him? *whimper*

I Hope that Jean stays dead... I didn't like her. I never liked her, and yeah Janet i missed Rogue and her flying and also her saying 'Sugar' all the time.

I'm kinda glad that they missed out all 'soap opera' in it though. If you haven't read the comics or seen any of the cartoons, you won't know, but yeah there's all this soap opera-esque behind it. So and so are related, blah blah is so in so's step moter, Wolverines half brother is a monkey etc...

(His brother isn't really a monkey btw)

Apparently there isn't going to be another one. But I foresee another cartoon coming out based around the movies (that's just a guess though)



Urgh tell me about it. Like.. Yeah they get married in canon anyway *sigh* Silly film makers

Teehee. And EVERYONE is related to Summers! I mean, can you imagine Scott's family reunions?! ("Oh, have you met Nathan-our son, who is older than us, from the future?)

Oh, it just kills me!

As far as this being the last one: It had the fourth biggest opening box-office in history-so I'd say chances are pretty decent that they'll find it in them to make another one. You know how Hollywood can't let go of a good thing, especially when it makes them a ton of money!

Ygraine-do you think they sapped the personality out of Rogue? I think they did. The "sugar" comment hits it home for me. I love Rogue's sassiness in the comics, and she's just lost it. It was better in the first movie, though not great.

well it may be the last movie that is named xmen but did anyone stay around for after the credits something major happened after the credits were done and i think its because according to imdb.com there are 2 movies in the work one magneto and one wolverine. this sight is pretty strict on posting they generally post rumors from what i have seen. according to the plot line for magneto we find out more about his past and him going after the nazi's that imprisioned him. we also find out obout his friendship with with xzavier and why they are the way they are now. as for wolverine what happens afte the credits makes sense for what their saying the plot line is. searching for his past. now i know this has not been confirimed but this website is pretty accurate. so i guess we'll see.

Here's the skinny on any more spin-offs and xmen movies alike:

Interview with Avi

Still, take these things as only possibilities until you hear definate confirmations. . .because they might never come true. Thought the Wolverine one is a definate. . . That site (hopefully it's comics2film) has a lot of information, but I can't vouch for the validity of their news. I've had good experiences there, though. . .they seem to be on the up-and-up.

I'm pretty sure the Wolverine and Magneto spin-offs will happen (Wolverine, no doubt, they've been planning on spinning him off since the first movie... or probably before actually). But both of those have been in the works for a long time, so it seems like they're pretty commited to making them. I've heard a number of things about some other ideas for spin-offs too. Personally, I'm unexcited. I kind of think any of the spin-offs that are really that good are going to be exceptions, rather than the standard.

I think the way Rogue was played during the all the movies was kind of shameful. I didn't necessarily hate her character or anything, but I just missed the Rogue from the comics. Movie-Roge and comic-Rogue were different enough from one another that they might as well be completely different characters. But I kinda have those issues with several of the character adaptations.... or maybe all of them...

I have always enjoyed the comic series. since i was little it really interested me and intrigued me so much. as for the movies i only enjoy and care for the first two movies. the second one was the best out of all three. i saw the last stand the other day and i thought it was a bit rushed and so much seemed to be missing. it just didn't interest me like the others did and i felt sometimes lost during certain parts as well. oh well..i will still get it to complete the series.

I like the movies and I used to watch the cartoons, but after awhile they started to do too many versions of the cartoon. I just stopped watching the cartoon after awhile. I haven't read the comics, but I want to. I just can't seem to find them.

so question, ive been reading about phoenixs and their characteristics one because of this movie and Hp. and everything tells me the same thing. they are male birds so how is jean gray a phoenix. their male and she's definetly not just wondering.

Well, missmugglebethany; you certainly asked a question that is not answered simply! I'll try to be brief. . .

Background info necessary: Grey, along with other members of the XMen were kidnapped and taken to a space station. On escaping, Grey volunteered to be a pilot because the craft's pilot had to sit in an area without enough shielding to protect him or her from the lethal radiation. The radiation was too much for her, and it was believed for a while that she had died and that the "phoenix-force"which linked to Grey, recreated and reentered her body. This more powerful being called herself "Phoenix." (Then we have some mind manipulation from Mastermind which brought forth the Dark Phoenix.) Throughout this Dark Phoenix stuff, Jean's personality reasserted control, but she had to commit suicide to keep the Dark Phoenix at bay. (Enter Madelyne Pryor. . .another terribly long explanation).

It was later revealed that Grey did not die, nor had she ever really become Phoenix. The phoenix-force responded to Grey's anguish and telepathic calls for help as she was dying aboard the space shuttle, and appeared before her, shaping its form and consciousness after Grey's own. The phoenix-force told Grey that she was dying, but that by taking the phoenix-force's hands, Grey would gain her "heart's desire." What Grey most wanted was to save the lives of the X-Men and herself. She held onto the phoenix-force's arm and fell into a coma-like state. Simultaneously, the phoenix-force fully took on both the form and the memories and personality of Jean Grey. The phoenix-force used its powers to ensure the survival of the X-Men in their return to Earth and crash landing in Jamaica Bay off New York City. It was also responsible for casting Grey into a coma-like state and placing her within a pod like construction, which rested for years at the bottom of Jamaica Bay while Grey's injuries healed completely. Thus the phoenix-force fulfilled its pledge to Grey. The phoenix-force creature compelled itself to believe it was indeed Grey, whose personality it had assumed. Indeed, it had imitated Grey's consciousness so perfectly that not even Xavier realized the imposture. It has been theorized that it was the phoenix-entity's own power rebelling against the duplicate of Grey's personality it had given itself that caused it to become Dark Phoenix. When Phoenix committed suicide, it was acting exactly as Grey herself would have done under the circumstances, since it had endowed itself with an exact copy of Grey's personality.

And for the next Phoenix part. . .turns out Jean visited an alternate universe where her and Scott's daughter, Rachel, served in the Xmen under the name Phoenix. After she returned to her universe, Jean adopted the codename Phoenix in honor of Rachel.


I took most of this from MarvelDirectory.com.

All that to say; Jean really has nothing to do with a Phoenix.

X-men is definitely my favorite marvel comic.
The movies are great! Mostly because of Hugh Jackman
Anyway, the thirs installment of the movie was rather good; however I wish that Bryan Singer would have directed it instead he did the Superman movie.
The movie left me with some questions like, did Jean kill Scott? I definitely don't remember Xavier dieing! and where was Kurt Wagner?
I understand if some of the actors had better things to do, but they could have at least mentioned them and the reasons they weren't present.
Also, did anybody use to watch X-men:Evolutions? It use to come on the WB here in America, then it left. What happened?

I was getting ready to commend you on being able to remember all that... Oh well. It is extremely convoluted and complicated. Phoenix also recently had a resurgence in the comics sometime last year, where the Phoenix force came back and ran around as Jean (who had died again) and got into catfights with Emma over Scott (okay, so maybe that's not EXACTLY how it happened, but...) and drove everyone crazy, but I'm not sure what all happened with it, since I didn't get the whole series.

that clears up some stuff a little its all really confusing. but thanks for the answer. every website that i have read states that phoenix are male. so thanks for clearing it up.

The first bit was mine. . .the huge middle paragraph was pretty much verbatim the marvel site.

There are so many different plots, plot-holes, explanations, anomalies, etc. . . in the marvel 'verse; it's a wonder anyone can keep them straight! I skipped most of the newer stuff (I'm so out of the loop anyways), just to focus on why she calls herself the phoenix.

I'm so glad Joss joined the team, for however long it lasts. . .he can only do it good.

i love X-Men because of the Powers i Always Wanted top be Bobby (Ice Man) Or i wanted to Be Jon (Pyro) and i always had a crush on Rounge i also liked the comics and i liked the Super Heros and the Good and Bad Parts of the Comics the T.V. Show and The Movies

I'm actually pretty out of the loop as well on X-Men right now. I had a big resurgence in the comics last year but (largely due to lack of funds with which to buy the comics) it's been dwindling lately. But I agree on Joss' run. He's got some great stuff. The last of his that I managed to pick up was the first issue of his second year, and it's been driving me crazy that I haven't gotten any more since then because it was opening up such fascinating plots... Oh well... I may have to wait for the compilation to pick it back up again...

(Speaking of Joss, though, I just noticed your "From" line in your info, passerby - hadn't noticed that before... Just wanted to say: Shiny! Now, back on topic...)

Speaking of all the different plot-holes, explanations, anomalies, etc... There are some great X-Men parodies that sort of have fun with stuff like that at newgrounds. I highly recommend them if you haven't seen them. This is the first one which has fun with how so many of them are always dying. And speaking of Phoenix, this one is a short parody involving Dark Phoenix. There are several others, including a four part parody on last summer's big House of M crossover, but I'll avoid linking to all of them. Anyway: funny stuff for fans of the X-Men.

lol This thread had me laughing. I'm totally obsessed with the X-Men. I begged my dad to take me to see X3, I gave up Pirates of the Caribbean to see it!
Anyway I was disappointed with the end of the third one. The deaths would've been fine if Cyclops had come back and Jeannie didn't die.
Iceman got on my nerves, I mean come on I thought Rouge was his girlfriend! I like Kitty in X-Men Evolution but I don't like her much in the movie.
Rouge was okay in the first two but in the third I couldn't believe she got the 'cure' that didn't work. I like her in the old cartoons where she flies around, knocks holes in things, and chucks Gambit out of her car.
I was cracking up in the scene in the Danger Room, I was the only one.
Wolverine annoyed me in the first two, (don't hurt me I'll explain) but he was better in the third.
Here's my explaination: I like Cyclops. Wolvie shows up and him and Jean kiss. I didn't like it. Wolvie and Rouge should get together, Rouge's always had a crush on him.
I ended up writing my own sequel.
My favorite part was when Wolvie goes into the forest ad kills the bad guys!

SPOILER!

Charles Xavier is not dead. Im sure, as alot of you know, there was a scene after the credits. It involved the brain-dead patient and Mahra, the nurse that was on the television during Charles' class. The nurse comes in and says good morning to the man in the bed, not expecting a response, and the mans head turns and with Charles Xavier's voice he says "Good Morning Mahra"

It seems that Charles Xavier is a level 6 mutant, even higher than Jeans level 5, which is what allowed him to contain the Phoenix to begin with. The whole reason the ethics of conciensce transfer was brought up in the film is because right before Charles' death, he transfers his conscience to the brain-dead man, keeping himself alive. If you slow the movie down, right before he explodes, he smiles, and his face sort of goes all blank and lifeless... Charles is still Alive!!


Woot!

~Albus

i love the films!! well i have only watched 1 and 2 because i never got chance to see the 3rd but i hope to get it for x-mas on dvd!! i don't know if i should watch it though because some kid in school recked the whole plot!! so i know what happens now!! *sigh* no fair!!

well anyways i love the films and my favourite character is proably Storm... hmmm i don't know... yeah actually...storm!! i would love to have her powers!!
i don't know which x-men is my fave out of 1 and 2... i will have to think about that one...

I liked the first two movies. but i dont like the third one, i really wanted to find out about wolverins past...but we never really found out much. my fav x man is wolverine.

I read a lot of the comics but i like them all, and they are a little graphic.

The first one's my favorite.
Albus Dumbledore I'm not sure I follow you on why Xavier is a class 6 because I thought Phoenix was Jean's power and when he contained her power when Jean was thirteen it wasn't Phoenix. Phoenix showed up because she is Jean's 'dual personality'.
I think they ignored Wolvie's past because in the end of X2 he throws his dog tag at Stryker and tells him 'I'll take my chances with him' (Artie), which I interpurted he was done worrying about his past cause that's done.
I didn't like Storm much in X3. Maybe because she is against Wolvie trying to help Jean. I like her much better in the cartoons, they ruined her character for me.

Well it doesnt really matter when Jean's powers became the Phoenix, the mere fact that Charles put mind blocks on a level five mutant is evidence enough. Couple that with the fact that it says he is a level 6 mutant in the comics, and it looks like we have a conclusion!

I've never read the comics, but I love the movies, and I sat through very long lecture's of a friend of mine, just so I could know more about Charles.



I am about 90% sure they are making a film solely based on Wolverine's past, and such. I may be wrong, but I did hear quite a bit about it.



Yeah I heard that Halle Berry said Storm's character needed more of a central role, which turns out to be more screen time, or she wouldnt do it. If you look at X3 with that mentality, you will see there is a lot of pointless Storm scenes that make no sense... ex: Charles is teaching a class, the sky grows dark, he dismisses them.. and Storm in on the balcony, warping the clouds with her emotions.. Charles says " I dont need to be able to read minds to know that something is troubling you"...er... why did we need that? A little dramatic for the time in the film... owell.

~Albus

Okay Albus I get what you're saying but that raises another question. Why was Jean able to kill him so easily if he's class 6?
I saw on somewhere on Marvel.com that they were doing a Magneto movie and a Wolverine movie.
Er the cloud part. I guess it was 1. To give Storm screen time, 2. To show mutant powers and 3. For Xavier to tell her she would lead the team because 'Cyclops is a changed man since Jean's death and Logan's not interested.'
I wish they hadn't killed Cyclops off so fast. The only reason I can think of is to have a Wolverine/Jean thing going. It didn't seem to matter much that Storm was in charge. Wolverine ends up basically taking command anyway.
I'm doing a survey. Would you be willing to see an X-Men 4 and if you were who or what would you like to see added/changed?

I'm no fan of X-Men 3, but I've already talked enough about that, so I'll just say this about that one movie, specifically: I liked it even less upon second viewing. I've been mostly behind on the comics for quite awhile now, but I seem to remember Xavier being far more powerful than Jean. But of course, in the comics, the Phoenix-force isn't simply a split-personality of Jean's, and I think the Phoenix-force itself is probably more powerful than Charles, but in the movie, that's a whole different story, so who even knows? Although, as far as the movies go... if Charles had enough mental strength to wipe out the whole human or mutant species (amplified by Cerebro, I know, but still) in X2, I would question at least the fact that he couldn't put up more of a struggle against Jean in X3... but I have a lot of questions about X3, and I still don't like it, so nevermind.



I know this is kind of nit-picky and not really all that important, but I've always liked Moira, and was not happy when they killed her off in the comics, so I'm compelled to say: Moira's a lot more than just a nurse. I know: not really important, especially to the movies, but...

This isn't important either, but I've never liked Storm. I never cared for her in the comics (didn't really hate her, but just didn't care for her), and I really disliked her in the movies. At one time, I liked Halle Beary (I'm sure I misspelled that, but I don't want to go looking for the correct spelling right now), but between her Storm and her Catwoman, I can't stand to even see the woman now.



Personally, I would rather have some time and distance between the current X-Men franchise, and maybe a few years down the line, maybe we can get a magnificent new reworking with someone new at the helm who has a real passion for the source material, and preferably without Fox's involvement, but... but I have little hope of that happening. Pre-X3, though, I was very fanciful about the franchise potentially continuing and maybe even heading into Sinister and Apocalypse territory in 4... never happen, though...

This somehow reminded me of Back to the Future 2, when the future Hill Valley had an ad for Jaws 17. That's what I see happening to the X-men movies. They will go on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on.. Sorry. I just think that right now, the filming only continues because the series brings in a lot of money. The scriptwriters are losing their touch. The first two movies weren't bad, but it went downhill from there with X3.