Is that an actual song? Or just soemthing put up on YouTube by fangirls? It's soo sweet!

PS: Baz and Tonks Moony, where'd you find those icons!? Info, please!

do you mean the icons in my signature? i found those on iconator.com. you just search remus and tonks and it comes up with different icons (or avatars, i guess).

i wonder what more we'll find out in this encyclopedia-thingy jkr is supposed to be writing soon. like why remus was bitten or other such questions that swirl in our minds....

That is a lovely song for Nymphadora & Lupin

I Love Nymphadora when she says that she loves Lupin

Rest assured MissRandom, that Lupin's Tale is an actual wizard rock song, and a darn good one too. It is written by a guy called Christian Caldeira who goes by one name: Oliver Boyd and the Remembralls. He is a musician who plays live soul, rock and blues at clubs in Toronto, Canada, where he lives, and decided one day to explore the universe of wizard rock and write some songs. The result? The best wizard rock sound out there. Go to www.myspace.com/oliverboydandtheremembralls to check him out. I know, because I live in the city next to his!

Now that I've blithered on about Oliver Boyd, let me get back on track and say that Lupin/Tonks is one of my favourite ships of all time. I think that the whole thing is really sweet, but at the same time tragic, because Lupin spent most of his time being unhappy. Then, of course, we know what happened. They will remain one of my favourite ships, and bear in mind that they will always be together, because as Harry Potter has taught us, love conquers everything!

Woo! I have GOT to get me some of those!

I don't think she'll be writting it soon. What do you mean by 'why remus was bitten'? She's explained that already. Greyback places himself near children to bite them and force them to grow up as werewolves because he wanted t that way. I think he explains it in book 6...? Not sure. That or 5. But I am still extremely excited about the encyclopedia! I don't care if I look like a dork for getting it! I want it!



Okay, that's extremely weird in my book! Wizard Rock? Doesn't excist! I'm not THAT big of a fangirl! But if it works for you all, whatever! I won't judge ya!

they are soo my perfect ship I think...I am glad that Lupin did give in and decided that tonks was the right one for him...or there is better to say that he was the best for her

Those lyrics are beautiful... are the band's songs just listed on the Myspace page, or can you find them elsewhere?

NOTE: There is no need to use the spoiler tags anymore when posting in the forums! Feel free to post without the tags as the announcement has been made that they aren't necessary any longer!

On the Lupin/Tonks front. I'm still annoyed. GRRRR! Those were the two most pointless, worst deaths in the entire series. I was extremely disappointed to see how little their deaths seemed to matter to anyone in the series. I thought it was hastily added, glossed over, and rather pointless. She should have at least left one of them. I thought the whole relationship had a lot of potential, but she ended up taking Lupin a little further away from what I thought was his character in regards to how he related to Tonks. He will live on in fanfiction.

I agree with passerby. The deaths were rather hasty, and like you said, it was like no one really .. cared? But i guess we didn't actualy see the reactions, so hmmm ...

But i think it would have been cruel just to have one surrvive. I'd rather both die, or both live, perferably both live. I mean, if one died, the other will be seriously depressed, though they'd have Teddy ...

Though they didn't die, so that's ok. *cough*



Of course, anything is possible in fanfiction. Sometimes i find fanfiction better than the actual stories by JK. Which is saying something. Lol.

But yes, Tonks and Lupin should have lived on and have a long and happy life together with Teddy. Teddy's such a cute name ...

Okay, please help me out here. I was just looking at the comments on Leaky Cauldron about the Lupin-as-a-gay-junkie and the majority of folks there seem to feel whether Lupin was gay or straight, that his relationship with Tonks was not LOVE - that they simply wound up expecting a baby and so they got married. Theorizing that he was unhappy because he didn't want to have a baby and was trapped in a marriage to a girl he didn't love. Harry made him feel terribly guilty so he stayed.

That's not how I read it at all. I saw his love for her as the rare selfless type of love where he would sacrifice his own happiness with her, becuase he could see the negative effect he perceived he was having on her life (in addition to wanting to help Harry kill Voldy.) I thought he seemed unhappy simply because he was feeling afraid and a little guilty about the baby's future, but deep down he loved them both very much. And not to get too scientific, but doing the math if Teddy was born in April they wouldn't have even known for sure Tonks was expecting until August at the earliest, so I didn't think that was the reason they got married. Mrs. Weasley said people were eloping right and left during the first war because you never know when you might die - so that's what I attributed their quick and quiet marriage to.

So what were your impressions when you read DH? Was Lupin trapped in a marriage he never wanted, or was it true love?

oioioi!!! I never thought about that...and I dont think its true...
I mean he wasnt trapped in a marriage but more trapped in his being of a person who becomes a werewolve every months...
If the problem was that he didnt love Tonks it would be simpler to tell her and then she would understand that she wasnt loved back
Lupin seems like a person who would say that straight into her face
and Tonks seems like a person who would accept that although probably still loving him
but the point that Tonks is so desperate shows us that Lupins reason for not being with her is that he is a werewolve
therefore Tonks is rather desperate as it is an impossible love...
he loves her, she loves him BUT they cant be together because she would be in danger then...(yes exactly the bollywood way lol..)
this is the problem they have
Lupin himself says that he has done a mistake by marrying her because he made an "outcast" out of her and he is still thinking about her sake..he is a really selfless person and acts therefore selfless..he is afraid that his son too will be a werewolve and an outcast and he doesnt want to harm the baby either...
that is his dilemma not his non existing love...i think..I am convinced

ooo i think it was love for sure! he was in love with tonks i am sure of it! i don't believe it was a case of

i don't think that was the case at all.

i beileve that Lupin wanted to leave the baby because of guilt yes but not in that way. he loved tonks and so wanted to leave her because he didn't want to harm her or make her an out-cast to her family...which is what he beileved he had done. they were the sweetest couple! he didn't want the baby to begin with because he didn't know if it would be like him and he knew and felt that he could not do that to an unborn child...ruin its life before it has the chance to live...therefore he wanted to run. but he didn't in the end and that is what matters. and when little ted was born he was happy...over the moon. he would have been a great dad and tonks a great mother.

I have to agree with some of the other people here. Lupin told Tonks in book 6 that he's too old and too dangerous. I think he did love her, but he loved her so much he didn't want to love her because he knew he would be a threat to her (not only as a werewolf, but also since he's so close to Harry, thinking that he might be taken by Voldemort to effect Harry or killed in battle- and thus, weather physically or emotionally, hurt Tonks). I think it took him a while to realized that tonks would be worse off without him, and that he would be sadder without her. He eventually realized (probably after a good talking to by Tonks) that they would each be worse off without each other, even if he did hurt her in some way. I think the reason why we saw his outburst in chapter 11 of DH (yes...I remembered the chapter) was because of his future son. He just cracked. All those thoughts of how he could effect someone's life badly came rushing back. Nothing about how he might be able to help his child through it all came out.Nothing about how if the world was rid of Voldemort his child might be less miserable (as far as being an outcast in concerned) as a werewolf (even though Teddy is not one, that was one of Lupin's great fears). Nothing. He was scared and and angry. But when teddy was born....he realized it didn't matter anymore. Yes, it mattered, but not as much. Not as long as the world was better....

Also? I'm thinking the director of PoA was very Sirius/Lupin suppiortive.

I see where these people are coming from, but i see it as true love. To me, Lupin loved Tonks enough to push her away for her saefty. Then he loved her enough to take her back. That's what i call commitment. And love.

He felt sad i believe because he was scared of what would become of Teddy. They didn't know whether he would be a warewolf. Lucky he isn't.

WarewolfandMetamorphogus(sp?)

I mean, what's not to love about T/L?

I was quite disappointed when I read that Lupin wanted to go away with Harry and the others but I don't think he felt trapped in this marriage or anything.He was afraid.He shouldn't have been but whatever...He surely loved Tonks a lot and wanted to spend his life with her...and the baby...

They are one of my favorite couples after harry/ginny ron/hermione lily/james

who else thinks that there baby teddy would make the cutest baby ever because he will be able to change its appearance i could just imagen it now

it so sweet were tonks doesn't care about what lupin is but i think i went a bit fast when at the end of the 6th book they weren't even together but at the start of the 7th book they were married still its a great paring

Actually, they were together. It's a common mistake saying that they aren't- I didn't think they were, either. But if you look at the last chapter it states that Tonks is holding Lupin's hand, her hair now bubble gum pink. So they were together, in some fashion, even if there was no marriage set.

I had totally missed this the first time I read it. I was so cought up in everything else it just slipped my mind entirely.

Also? I love how I'm not the only one who thinks Teddy Lupin should have blue hair. I've imagined him with electric blue hair ever since I first read about it all. He would be such a hot little thing, wouldn't he? I can see it now....19 years old, electric blue hair and fine as heck!

in a weird way...I imagined him with blue hair as well..I mean he can hardly walk around like his mother with bubble gum pink hair can he?
and of course he is a looker..look at his parents
I also think they were already a couple after what happened in the hospital wing and on DD funeral they were well..obviously making it official.
still a marriage was rushed...Rowling so did a bad job in DH concerning Remus and Tonks...
I mean neither their marriage nor their deaths were really more than a sentence.

I think she did a great job in DH with them. They're the two characters that I'm always "Oh, I hope she mentions them..." (who am I kidding, I really hope she just mentions Lupin half the time). Those two people used to be Fred and George, but they were soon replaced. True, I still love them (I'm re-reading the series and am refusing to believe that there's no Fred anymore- though George's ear occasinally disappears), but Lupin and Tonks...aaahh, I just love them so much!

I was so fearful that they wouldn't been talked about much in DH. But then I listened to the first chapter being read by JKR and I was literally jumping up and down and nearly screaming- I was SO HAPPY! But I did love how much they included them in the rest of the book, too. True, I would've loved a sort of 'death scene' where they're fighting and all that, but...it fit in better this way, I think. And I felt myself being like Harry. You've been through so much with this book, and then you read it. They're dead. Both dead. No death scene. They're just dead. And you never got to say goodbye. You just keep reading. It's too much. You don't want to think about it. You just keep walking along with Harry, trying to get away from it. Not wanting to think about it....

Well....that's how it was for me, anyway. I know there's allot of people who were just ****ed off- and then the others who balled their eyes out- but....no...I couldn't even believe it. I had it built up in my mind that they wouldn't die. That Lupin wouldn't die. I didn't think that they'd be dead so late in the game. I was being stupid. For some reason it hit me off gaurd...

But I did, still, love how much they were in the book. I didn't want them to over power it. I didn't want anyone to. I thought it was just right....

I see where this is coming from, with that it was rushed, because it was. But, we must all understand that most things in DH were quite rushed. With Voldemort back, people were going to jump into things that they generally would wait a year or so to do.



In my opinion, they complimented eachother's personalities very well. Very good pairing.

I dont neccessarily mean that it was bad because she rushed into things but generally..
I was a Lupin/Tonks shipper ever since Tonks appeared...so..I was expecting more than them dying in the end...that was basically what I mean with a bad job..they got together..everything brilliant...but why kill them off...
actually this is the main thing about the bad job...(Isnt the spoiler policy already off? if not...sorry..)

I agree with you Gwenog, as I always do. I won't go so far as to say JKR did a bad job with their wedding and deaths because the woman is a genius. But I was really disappointed with how little page time Lupin and Tonks actually got.

I despise Fleur and feel like we barely know Bill so the fact that we spend chapter after chapter building up to their wedding isn't exciting for me at all. I would have liked The Wedding chapter be for Tonks and Lupin (but the Death Eaters revealing their marriage in Chapter 1 was cool.)

Does anyone else think its weird that Remus wouldn't have invited Harry to his wedding, seeing as they are supposedly close and Remus has few other family and friends?

Nope. It was rushed, like Remus said. Besides, Harry IS Teddy's godfather now.

Yes, there's no need for the spoiler alerts anymore.

Anyone else notice how after DH we're all saying 'Remus' instead of 'Lupin'?

Actually, in the US edition Remus says their wedding was "very quiet," not that it was rushed. They've known each other at least two years, if not more, and we don't know when they got engaged - maybe even as early as the night of Dumbledore's death. I think we're jumping to the conclusion that it was rushed simply because we aren't told the details, but it isn't like they eloped and didn't tell anyone. I think JKR just didn't feel like including another wedding, so she had to have them exclude Harry from their plans. Just feels out of character for Lupin not to even tell him.

Blue-haired Baby that was exactly what striked me too! (yes we seem to have the same point of views *yay*)
when I first read it I was really disappointed...you know reading on and realising harry was that important to become Teddy's godfather it striked me even more that they couldnt just tell him earlier..or even wait for him..okay harry couldnt just walk over to them earlier to join..but they could have waited! I think it was very rushed...that shows that they didnt even waited for Harry..but Fleur who isnt as close to Harry as Remus is even agreed that the wedding wouldnt be in France but in Uk...
I think like you Blue-haired Baby that it is very unlike Remus...and unrealistic in a way..

Wow just finished the half blood prince for the 3rd time I love the new ship between Tonks and Remus, Does age really count?
He had his doubt (Remus) but they got together
I dont know about you but It gives me hope for love!!!!

Oh this is my favorite relationship!
tonks and lupin are really a great couple
too bad little teddy couldnt see them both when he was grown up
oh yes whos victoire? the one teddy was snogging in the epilogue?

Victoire is the daughter of Bill and Fleur...
and yes they seem to be a couple..a good looking one as well...oh my how would I love to see their kids
anyway back to R/T

Hmmm thanks gwenog, now i have a bright idea of things
okay thats cooler~ teddy was snogging victoire!
such a cute couple they are, but now we're concentrating on lupin & tonks
they have a great sense of humor both of them, but why was lupin getting grayer?
i hope mrs. jk rowling makes an 8th book when she sees how much her fans love harry potter :]

x3cristenx You asked why Lupin is always getting grayer.

JKR described Remus as greying and aging prematurely ever since we met him in POA. We can assume his greying hair and lined face are a combination of the wear and tear on his body from transforming, in addition to the stresses of the difficult existence society has forced upon him. The only time, from Harry's point of view, that Remus actually looks his age is when he's sharing the happy news about Teddy's birth.

So Tonk's being so naturally colorful, in appearance and personality, is his perfect match!

I agree so much.

I wonder how far back the arguments about Remus and Tonks went. I'm trying to keep a look out for any sign of interest or annoyence between the two in book 5, but I've yet to see anything....

For all my opinion's worth, I suspect they were developing some sort of close relationship throughout book 5. They are always mentioned together, even if indirectly. And in HBP Lupin describes Tonks change in patronus as the result of an emotional upheaval, so I assume something big happened after Sirius' death (like Tonks asking to make their relationship official, and him saying NO) that must have seriously upset her. Tonks still had pink hair in Kings Cross Station at the end of OoTP, so they must have still been "friendly" at that point.

What do you guys think?

I could go on forever how much I hated Tonks and Lupin's deaths, but you all pretty much sums it up. Can't really put down in words how dissapointing and annoying it was! And as someone said, it seemed so rushed! And as if nobody cared! As far as I guess I think Ginny would be heartbroken over the death of Tonks (Lupin too of course), Molly seemed to adore both remus and tonks... I think Rowling described Harry's feelings about fred, tonks and lupins deaths when he headed for Dumbly's old office, how every step hurt or something. But that was about it! SO SHORT! Major reason I pretty much hated the epilouge. Just plain dissapointment! I was so dissapointed of DH... It's a good book and all, but just too much annoyed me... I am talking nonsense I know!

I agree. Even though the chapter picture doesn't agree with the discription, they were standing next to each other at the end of OotP. And through the entire thing I think that Tonks adored him a little. And I wouldn't be surprised if Sirius had noticed and talked to Lupin about it. I always thought that....okay, not always, but after DH I started thinking about it more and now I do.

I've started HBP. Can't wait for the Lupin/Tonks stuff, but I remember wishing there had been more Lupin in it than there is....

NymphieDora, do I do not agree with you fully, you avatars are FREAKING AWESOME! Can I use the one as your av and the Lupin on in your sig on another site? I'd totally credit!

Just go ahead take them. No need to credit because I didn't make them. I wish I could credit them, but I just found them randomly on the net But yeah take'em! hehe

Ough the whole Sirius/Remus annoys me!! They're frieeeends XD Anyway do you people think the chance for them to cut Tonks/Lupin in the movie is big? I hope not! They seem to already have cut Fleur/Bill so it would be nice to see more T/L then. But also Rowling has said that Teddy means a lot to her - and there can't be a Teddy without them. Do you think Rowling would accept it? I hope not hehe. I wonder how David and Natalia will work. Now the age difference is quite quite quite bigger in real XD But after I found that avie pic I think they look cute lol even though its fake

It is cute!

In HBP, on page 95, Hermione, Ron, Harry and Ginny are talking about how they dislike Fluer and think Bill should marry Tonks instead. Finally Hermione starts about how Tonks must be sad about Sirius' death, because she's been all mopey and brown haired. Ron protests, but they can't find anything else to explain it, and Hermione says something with the effect of, "Lupins been trying to cheer her up". I assume that Hermione (having showed up earlier than Harry) either saw Remus over and trying to talk to Tonks quietly, who refused, and thus Hermione thought that's what had happened. Or she over heard Mrs.Weasley talking about something like that, and she thought the same. Either way, it annoys me slightly that she thinks it's Sirius' death that's effecting Tonks when Tonks's hair was pink when they last saw her- AFTER Sirius had died. No, I don't expect Hermione to have assumed what was really going on imediately, but I would have thought her to wonder a bit more...

So, this means that Tonks and Lupin started fighting or disagreeing over their (at the time) hope-to-be relationship some time during the summer....I wish I just knew how it went....

Rowling should've write a behind-the-scenes book version of Remus and Tonks story! hehe Would be so cool. What really happened during OotP, HBP and DH.

NymphieDora, I'd be camping out in line with you to buy it when the shops open!

But on the other hand, not knowing exactly what happened is nice too because you can fill in the missing pieces of the story however you choose (like imagining them lying lifeless in the great hall was just another one of Tonks' jokes, for instance.) Sigh...if only.

I'm not gonna interferre with your convo so im just gonna say

Lupin & Tonks In Love For Ever Cutest Couple Alive Simply Gorgous

ok ok. i think i will stop there

x
jayden

lol I love it that Tonks and Lupin are together.. I've just read the part where the baby is born!

The part where Lupin comes to Bill and Fleurs cottage all excited? It's so cute and so sad!

Oh yeah blue haired kid. Cool idea. Lets camp! hehe. Well anyway I would prefer a book because I dont want to make my own story of them lol.

And yes - they're the cutest couple ever! Just read a fiction yesterday that was oh so sweet!!

Where exactly DID that idea come from? Because, frankly, ever since Teddy was 19 (the epiloge, I mean, where he's snogging Victiore) I've viewed him as this hot skinny thing who looks like his father (his father as a teen, I mean) but with a more heart-ish shaped face and green eyes. Dunno why I choose green- maybe blue/green, really- I never saw Tonks or Lupin with green eyes...k, maybe Lupin...

ANYWAYS- it seemed that the second everyone started talking about Teddy we all seemed to agree on blue hair. How odd is that? Wonder if we're always in eachothers heads.

Ooo! Do post a linky!

Well I guess people have pictured Teddy with blue hair because the picture Remus shows of his baby has blue/turqiouse (spelng?) colored hair. So although he's a metamorph like Tonks people kinda imagine blue being "Ted's" color like pink was for Tonks

There was a picture like that? Was it described in the book or is it a fan thing? Oddly enough, I just CAN'T remember. My head isn't working this week.

Yes, there's a sweet little moment in the room of requirement when Lupin fills the awkward moment of Percy's return by showing off a picture of Teddy. He's described as having a tuft of turqoise (sp.?) hair. Sounds really cute right?!

I always pictured Teddy with dark blue, twinkly eyes but that's left up to our imagination (and I'm biased since my 6 month old has big beautiful blue eyes - but his hair is blonde though)

Hmmm I picture Teddy like every other baby. Just with color changing hair. But when older, like in the epilouge I picture someone quite handsom or cute after his father and a fresh personality like Tonks. A very good mix of both parents.

So I think it's about time to get some news on the HBP movie now! And about Remus and Tonks! I want to be 100% sure that they'll be in!

Am I the only one who hope for maybe a tiny little kiss between them? I think it would be cute, but I doubt it'll be any lol

I think the most we'll get kissing wise out of them is maybe a small one...in Deathly Hallows. I don't see anything but a small bit in HBP about them...the story isn't about them (though it totally should be), especially in the movies.

Nah, HBP doesn't have much RT action, but it should. They definately need to keep the hospital scene (Because Harry can't keep thinking that Tonks is in love with Sirius for the rest of his life) Lol.

And we get Teddy! Baby Teddy, all cute. I can't wait to see him in DH. And they have to keep him, because JKR said that one of the reasons she wrote an epilogue was to show that Teddy was all right. (At least i think she said that).

I just always imagine Teddy with bright blue hair. Mostly because of that picture (I love reading that bit-it's just "Cover it up, awkward moment ..."

On a completely different note... someone in another thread was speculating that since Bill and Fleur have been cut from the films, the DH's wedding where we see Xeno lovegood, Aunt Muriel and the fall of the ministry will probably be Remus and Tonks' wedding instead. I suppose they could get by without any wedding at all though, but it would be so wonderful if it's their wedding instead.

So what do you think? Am I getting my hopes up for nothing, or do you agree a Tonks/Lupin wedding ceremony is a possibility?