Time travel thoughts... and there is alot

Was Harry's father at Godric's Hollow the night of Voldemort's attack?

PoA, p 240-241:

"I heard my dad," Harry mumbled. "That's the first time I've ever heard him -- he tried to take on Voldemort himself, to give my mum time to run for it..." (This is the first time Harry has heard his father's voice--so he automatically assumes the voice is him.)

"You heard James?" said Lupin in a strange voice.

Harry then asks Lupin if he knew his father at school.

"I -- I did, as a matter of fact," said Lupin. "We were friends at Hogwarts..."
Lupin then changes the subject.

The other reasons are that during the filming of ps, I read somewhere that JKR asked that James not be shown during the flash back scene that shows Lily being killed at Godric's Hollow.
In the PoA movie this male voice is gone altogether. Did they not want the audience to recognize the voice of the person at Godric's Hollow

What if the voice is time-turner Harry at Godric's Hollow?
(Before you say that Harry should recognize his own voice, remember that in PoA he is thirteen years old. By the time he would time travel to Godric's Hollow he will be eighteen.)

Here my point --

Harry realizes that he was there (as a child and as an 18 year old). He goes back but cannot save Lily from death.Eighteen year old Harry is killed there. Because Harry looks like James, people assume that it is him in the rubble.
It would not be the first time that Harry mistook himself to be his father (end of PoA dementor scene).


Page 427, PoA.

Harry looked up at him. Dumbledore wouldn't laugh--he could tell Dumbledore...
"I thought it was my dad who'd conjured my Patronus. I mean, when I saw myself across the lake...I thought I was seeing him."

"An easy mistake to make," said Dumbledore softly. "I expect you'll tire of hearing it, but you do look extraordinarily like James. Except for the eyes...you have your mother's eyes."

Every book makes sure to remind us about how much Harry looks like James.

Please let me say that James and Lily are both dead (JKR has said this herself). It's possible the James was killed a few minutes or hours before GH.

Yes, I guess this is possible. And it seems just like something JKR would do, doesn't it? You're thinking this would happen in book 7, right? We have to remember that a lot of things could change in the wizarding world during HBP, and this could change what might happen in the future, if that makes any sense at all...
Anyway, your idea is a good one. I wouldn't have thought of this theory!

Yes this was for the last book and would tell us a few things.. I would like to know why we never see his dad a GH in the moives and why we get told all the time that harry looks like his dad in the books.

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I think this is quite plausible. I could almost believe it!

Almost.

Two words. Priori Incantatem.

GoF. Harry and Voldemort's wands are connected. Shadows of the people that died by the wand are coming out of it. Who then come out? Harry's parents. There is no possible way that James could have died before Future Harry in Godric's Hollow. James came out of that wand before Lily (Even though JKR accidentally messed up and it should be Lily and then James). So unless we actually heard James's voice there, and he died too after future Harry, this is impossible.

Hmm. Have we ever actually heard that the Potters' bodies were found? I don't think so... I feel a conspiracy brewing. Needs thinking.

I think it really is the kind of thing that JK would do, but I also agree with Bandoth about the Priori Incantato thing.
I believe Jk says something about the bodies being burried under the destroyed house or something about them not being found, but I don´t have PS right now, so I could be wrong.

sorry but your theory cannot be correct, i dont think james was there but it was definitely not harry as an 18 year old. my first point is that harry wouldnt say "lilly run" because he would call his mother mum not lilly. secondly the person says it in a panicked voice,harry has faced situations like this before so he would most likely keep calm and also going back in time he would know what exactly was going to happen so he wouldnt panick. someone other than james was there but im pretty sure it wasnt harry. sorry. time to get a new theory i think

also ive just noticed you talking about the potters bodies not being found. well JK has mentioned James's being found and it doesnt matter anyway because they are definately dead as they came out of voldemorts wand in the graveyard part in GOF.

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Harry travels back in time to kill Voldemort, hum...

This would be expected although the prophecy says that never can live why the other survives.

If Harry goes back into time to kill voldemort and fails, then the curse fails and rebounds we are left with the prophecy becoming true in a way. Although Harry is forever stuck in a time loop. So I can't see those events happening.

If Harry goes back into time to kill Voldemort and succeeds the current present would be changed causing

• Harry not to get scar
• Growing up etc. not knowing of Voldemort
• Not going back in time to Kill Voldemort in the first place

Becomes a Paradox

This happens frequently in time travel books and films, and really annoy me if it meant that books 1 -> 7 never actually happened in the second place.

Confused yet. You should be on the verge of being so.

Other notes:

• How many times would Harry have to turn the time turner back to 18 years in the past?
• How would Harry be able to find and gain access to Godrics Hollow (as its protected... bla bla)?
• James and Harry's bodies would be hanging around (not an option for a childrens series of books)
• I forgot all abou thte fact that Harry and Voldemort can't actually fight each other, well at least both using their own wands.

i see exactly what you mean about the whole time loop thing and that it would mean the stuff that happened in all the books would never have happened. i think if she ended it that way it would cause an outrage as everything we would of been reading would of just never happened. if you get what im saying!

In a way that time turner has made the book point less. I mean what ever you do wrong you can just go back and fix it. But im very sure the book wont end in that way, so i dont mind it being there.

You can never go back in time to correct something you´ve done wrong because of what dazzo31 says. If you´re interested on this enormous paradox there´s a thread about it, but I can´t find it right now.

I don't think that we have to worry about anything that we know to have happened in the stories so far being changed by time travel, for the simple reason that in PoA Rowling only showed us the final version of events. Harry and Hermione experienced the exact timeline that their time travelling future selves did, just from different perspectives. Rowling did not show us the prior events at all, so unless she suddenly changes tack everything we have read so far is the final weave of time.

Incidently, if someone wanted a Time Turner that could take them back a whole year, it would have to be 8760 times more powerful than Hermione's little Time Turner. I doubt time travel is possible in Rowling's universe for more than a few hours anyway.

wow, you guys....i just thought of something! what if LUPIN was at godric's hollow? that would explain why he sounded so strange when he said, "you heard james?" to harry. it's logical that lupin would call lily by her first name. oooo

Yeha, but... wouldn´t then Harry have associated the voice he heard in his head to Lupin´s???

since posting, i've thought about that...i wrote in another thread that harry might not have recognized lupin's voice because he was shouting, and because harry only heard the voice once so he didn't really have a chance to analyze it.

but now that i've slept on it, i really think james was there and nobody else. for one thing, if lupin or anyone else had been in the house, they would have had to get the house's location from peter, and then they would have known peter was the secret keeper rather than sirius. this seems to rule out lupin, if not everybody. and i remember JKR saying in an interview something like "james would never have saved himself and left his wife and son to die." that was in response to somebody suggestiing that lupin and james took polyjuice potion and switched places. to sum up, if somebody is trying to believe that james survived and somebody else died in his place, it isn't going to fly. it seems that voldemort did kill james at godric's hollow.

so while my lupin theory was a fun one while it lasted, i bid it a fond goodbye.

And we know James died because he´s echo came out of Voldemort´s wand at the graveyard

I have just thought about it and although this theory is very interesting it does seem as though all the facts point to it being james that was at Godric's hollow. The fact that he must have died by Voldemorts wand to come out of the priori Inantatem and the fact that if anyone else was there they would have had to have found out from Peter where they were. However there is a very big chance that there was someone else there. Perhaps it was Peter that was there perhaps he was supposed to kill the Potters but failed and this is why Voldemort came in person. Because as we know from OotP Voldemort usually gets his henchmen to do his dirty work. Also the fact that Lupin acts surprised when he finds out that Harry heard James suggests that there might have been someone else there or even the possibility that James didn't get a chance to say anything before Voldemort killed him. (Just babbling now sorry if this is irelevant or doesn't make sense I'm in a bit of a rush lol)

if this is what happened this would mean that there is still another harry out there because you cant go forward in time so then there is a 34-35 year old harry out there by the time he had to come back to take the place of himself in the future/present. and it wouldnt really work out because he would have aged 17 years by the time he came back and everyone woud have asked what happened


and maybe if that is true harry is a teacher at the school or something

Ok, I'm going to take a crack at this but bear with me, time travel confuses me. I will try not to confuse you.

Perhaps the reason eighteen-year-old harry didn't come out of the wand is because it hadn't happened yet even though it had already happened. At that point in Harry's life, he hadn't gone back in time yet to change the events?

I don't know how likely that is, and the more i bat it around the less likely it seems but I thought I'd tip it in the mix just to see what the rest of you think.

I think the overall theory being discussed here is really an interesting idea, and it seems like some JK would do, you know, create a situation where the last seven years hadn't happened at all. That would put a definate end to the story wouldn't it?

ok how would Harry be 18 if the books only go up to 7th year when they are supposedly 17??? sorry i am confused! great theories!!!!

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ok, seventeen then. and in the HP universe, even if the time travel theory thing is true, it wouldn't have been for nothing. it would be dissapointing though.