Hi, i'm new on these forums. Regarding secretkeepers last post... i think that is probably it. I'm so surprised that Harry's curiosity about his parents' occupation didn't spark since the third book, when marge asked. But I'm curious to know, in what types of situations did Lily and James escape Voldemort... and more importantly, how did they do it three times?

Lily's big secret....Well I have a feeling It doesn't have anything to do with Voldemort. After all, its Lily's secret not Voldemorts. Maybe its something about her and James or something special about her magic? Suppose we'll find out when the book comes out. Oh! Its soooooooo suspensful!

I think it has something to do with Petunia I don't know why

Anyone else find it odd that Voldemort and Harry can see through eachother, and Harrys eyes are his mothers?...

What exactly are you trying to say? That Lily is evil or something?

I think that what Picasso Turgeon is trying to say is that maybe Harry's and voldemort's connection is reflected in Harry's eyes being like Lily's, as she is the one who sacrificed herself for her son. But I may have understood that wrong

No, Hallia you got it perfectly correct. I often use the box theory. Harry And Voldemort are two boxes. The boxes have smaller boxes in them. Voldemorts Smaller Box might be his transformations. Then Harry's would be his mothers love. I think that there smaller boxes transfered during the Avada Kedavra Curse. I think Lily's love ended up protecting Voldemort, and Voldemorts Transformations protected Harry. Thats what I think Lily's secret might have to do with. But then why couldn't Voldemort touch Harry in the first book? Was there other things protecting Harry? I dunno. I just always thought the eye thing was odd.

Maybe Lily and Petunia have another sibling? I was thinking maybe Hermione's mum. We really don't know very much about either of them.

After reading through (almost) all of the posts, I think the most reasonable conclusion as to what Lily's big secret could be is that she is an unspeakable. Sorry if I am wrong (I've only read the whole series twice through), but dont they say in ootp that the locked door in the department of mysteries has something to do with Harry? If someone could elaborate on this, that would be great. Because I think that locked door will play a big role in books 6 or even 7.

And what if Lily's eyes have something to do with this lock door? Just a thought. What does everyone else think?

PicassoTurgeon i was understanding your theory perfectly until you told your box theory, now i'm confused

I have some crazy crackpot theory that Voldemort and Harry/Lily are realted through their muggle relatives. Is that crazy?

It could work you know, that would be a pretty big secret....

I had all these theories, but then OoTP ruined them all

As for her eyes, they are very pretty aren't they?

It says that her eyes are important but i don't know in what way.

Maybe she and Snape had some crazy love affair! and Snape suddenly realsies that Harry's Lily's son as well, and they all skip of into the sunset *shivers*

Ok, that's pretty disturbing Snape skipping...LOL

Dear everyone,

As far as I know, all of this information is fact. I have done my research.

-JKR says that Harry's glasses are one of his weaknesses, and Lily's eyes are repeatedly brought up throughout the series.
-Lily may be a descendant of Cassandra Trelawney. I have found a link in their names: There is a flower named a Cassandra Lily that is white, which means PURE when referring to Lily flowers.
-Lily's eyes may be important because in fact she may be a seer. This would give Harry certain powers, and would explain why his glasses are his weak point.
-Also-remember that Dobby knew what was going to happen at Hogwarts before anyone else did. He visited Harry and told him. And remember that Dobby also has big, green eyes.

Just a side note: Petunia may also be a seer. I'm still trying to find hints in this area. Also, petunia means anger and resentment.

Hope everyone can tell me what they think! thanks!

That is written nicely. i hope they are seers, that would be awesome. I'm going to help you find stuff on Petunia. Shouldn't be that hard, shes a small part in most of the books.

It's really an interesting theory. I know there's also a thread about the possibility of Harry being a Seer based on what Harry "saw" in the Orb in his third year divination exam. I actually think Harry being a Seer is a possibility, I'm one to think that Harry has more hidden powers than anyone(except DD maybe) can imagine. I don't know so much about Lily being a descendant of Cassandra Trelawney, but maybe there is Seer blood in Harry. Although if what Sybill Trelawney said about seers powers skiping three generations is true, I don't know if Lily could be a Seer, although maybe Harry could be the third generation.

JK said that Lily's eyes were important and Harry's glasses were bad so maybe the thing we find out about her eyes is connected with what we find out about Lily. Could she be a seer and look into the future ?

angelicgrl - I didn't know that JK said that Harry's glasses are bad. I think it might have something to do with charms and having to make eye contact to do the charms. We know that Lily had an excellent wand for charms.

im pretty sure jk has already told us that lily isnt a death eater or that harry's other relatives arent of significant importance. i do believe that she said their eyes being identical is very significant.

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I strongly believe that Snape's feud with James has more to do with Lily's presence than anything else. I think that Snape had serious feelings for Lily ...and they were immediately crushed once he realised James married Lily and had Harry. He probably sees Lily in Harry's eyes and gets confused with Harry's face which has a prominent resemblance to James ...hence he LOATHES harry!!!

I have been reading all these great posts and it occurred to me...

It is a very interesting thought that Lily was a seer and worked as an unspeakable...

If Harry's glasses are a weakness to him... Maybe it is because he has muggle glasses. I wonder if he got wizard glasses he might be even more powerful in some way. Possibly unleashing seer abilities, seeing more clearly.

Some people have theorized that Dumbledores glasses let him see things, maybe that is what Harry needs...

Just a thought.

I surely believe that glasses can let you see some things.. In the second book Dumbledore sees when Ron and Harry are under the ( i dont know how it is called) invisibility cloak in hagrids house!

I think that his glasses and his eyes (green) will get a meaning in the coming books


RJ

I think the theories about Lily’s eyes are pretty good but there’s something i’d like to know:

Hello. You all have raised very interesting points. I read somewhere in this thread that Petunia and Lily might not be sisters. But in PoA (I think it is in PoA, correct me if I'm mistaken), Dumbledore tells Harry that Privet Drive is the only place where Harry is safe. DD explained that since Lily saved Harry, only with someone that has blood relation to Lily can ultimately protect him. (I paraphrased.) This shows that Petunia is Lily's sister, unless of course, Vernon is Lily's real brother. LMAO.

As for McClagan's question, I'm still a little vague on it, but I think Voldemort did not mean for Lily to die. Another theory I read somewhere was that Voldemort wanted Lily to be his "queen". So maybe that's what he meant. He didn't want Lily to die, but Lily chose to do so in order to save Harry.

I hope that made sense to you somehow. I'm a little scatter-brained at the moment.

I don't think that Voldermort wanted Lily to be his Queen because if he did then he would have restrained her from getting in the way of the Killing Curse.
I think that Lily's secret had to do with what she passed to Harry when he was born and it has nothing to do with what happened the night Voldermort stopped by and did his thing. Everybody keeps saying that its the eyes and thats what is the big secret....i don't think so because thats only a physical feature. As we all know Harry acts just like James did at his age kind of but Harry does have his soft side and that comes from Lily. I guess where I'm going with this is that Harry got a sense of personality that allows him to do the right thing. I know that sounds weird but its true. I.E. Sirius wanted to come and see Harry at Hogsmead in the OotP but Harry said no and Sirius said something like James would have done that.
Through this personality, Harry was able to do the right things like save the SS/PS and got into the chamber and stop Riddle. Even though it was breaking the rules most of the time, Harry was still doing the right thing and succeed in doing those things. You may say that Harry led his friends into a trap at the MoM but he did that out of anger and love. This may sound stupid and unbelieveable but it does make since.....kinda. lol

hey well possibly it is more to do with petunia and lily's relationship but ummm.... well i dont knw. maybe there are things lily did or saved that are relevant?

My friend thinks that the secret is that Harry has a brother. She also thinks Lily's other kids father is Snape.

I think Lily had an affair with Voldemort or she secretly liked him.

Hmm...some of these seem likely. Alot of them sound like fanfiction idears

Logically, I think it is -possible- that Lily was some how connected to Voldemort. What else would be significant? I would love to say that she and Remus dated, but how is that significant?

Perhaps it has something to do with -why- the Potters died. I don't think that Harry has a sibling out there anywhere, and I don't think that Harry is anyone's child but James's.

It seems a little far-fetched that Lily was on the 'Dark side'. But maybe? Or maybe she was some sort of spy for the order?

The color of Lily's eyes is supposed to be significant. It could be something that has to do with the fact that green is also the color of the killing curse. This is very very vague and I don't know how it would connect or if it was already brought up.

I think it may have to do with Lily's relationship with Petunia. Or maybe about her past?

I have no idea.

Hasn't J.K. said that the secret has to do with her eyes? Well, I know that she's said that her eyes will be important..
What about..hmm I can't think of anything. DiamondEyes mentioned the killing curse.. Maybe Lily's really old or went back in time to invent the killing curse, and that's how her eyes turned green.
Haha, that's...kind of stupid, but it's the best I have .

Lily was from Slytherin and she and Snape were friends

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Right-o, just to let y'all know, there is already a separate thread discussing Lily's eyes and it's significance here. So for those who are keen on discussing that in more depth, please head on over to that thread.

Okay, back to Lily's big secret...

I really really really dont know that. Maybe she was dating someone (like Lucius, Gilderoy(!) or someone)... Maybe she's not a witch at all!

The secret might be related to Snape's crush on Lily, as some have suggested.

It's interesting that Voldemort said that Lily didn't have to die. Maybe this is because he didn't know that Snape had turned on him and he wanted to avoid killing Lily as a reward for one of his deatheaters--Snape.

So the secret could be related to a relationship that Lily almost had with Snape before things got serious with James. Harry's eyes, which he got from his mother, could help Snape make an important decision at a crucial moment.

Heres something to add to my theroy:

Why did Voldermort chose the Potter's over the Longbottoms? I believe that it had to do with Lily and she left an impression on Voldermort, not by looks but by skill. When Voldermort said that Lily didn't have to die, he also considered her as an equil and she chose to sacrafice herself.

hehe, Lily isn't a Death Eater. JK has said as much so we can drop that one. As far as her being a pure blood.. well... I GUESS it's possible but I doubt it. I think we are looking for something that isn't really there. All I'm thinking is that maybe she knew about the prophecy ahead of time and was prepared for Voldermort's attack on them. Or, we'll just get more insight on the night he attacked the Potters with a flashback or something. However, I don't think there is some big GRAND conspiracy being revealed after 15 years or anything like that. No Death Eater, no relationship with Snape making Snape Harry's father (no joke, I've heard that one), and being related to Voldermort.

I really have no idea what's Lily's big secret. But I once read that Voldemort might be Harry's GRANFATHER! It realy came to me as a blow! I was shocked! Who could anyoneTHINK that?! I sure hope that it isn't true.

i think lily is voldermort's long lost daughter or something, because he didn't wanted to kill lily when he tried to kill potter. Read the part when voldermort talked to harry in ss.

JKR likes Lily too much to allow her to have had an affair with someone that lead to Harry having a half sibling. She may have dated other people. People like to think she dated Lupin, but I think she almost had a relationship with Snape--nothing serious, but she tried to befriend him when others wouldn't, and Snape fantasized about having a relationship with her.

i disagree that snape fantisized about being with lily.
This is so because she isn't a pure blood, and Snape being part of the pure bloods would never even think of being with her. In the OotP Snape says he doesn't need help from a, "filthy mudblood"
So I don't think Lily Snape never got togeter, or even made friends with each other.

If you're in slytherin and you have a crush on someone from Gryffindor with muggle parents, would you want your housemates about the crush? The easiest thing in the world to do would be to say what other slytherins expect him to say--that he didn't need any help from a mudblood.

This point has already been made multiple times in the thread. Do you have any other reasons to believe that Lily's secret doesn't have anything to do with Snape developing feelings for her?

im sorry if this has been mentioned, but I didnt want to go through every page. Maybe Lily had something with one of the other marauders before James. I also think Lily and Snape had something, he cant only have a grudge on Harry because of James.

Agreed i mean why would you Hate the son of your enimie from day 1 with out even really meeting him?
Unless it was your crushes and enimies kid....then i would find a reason to hate the kid