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Dicuss anything about the third book here. What did you like? What did you not like?
manni
i love the dementors therell make it so much more scary i cant wait to see the film i already have tickets to see the advanced viewing on monday the 31st of may. i heard that they added a little extra when the dementors are presents for example when harrys playing quidditch and the dementors arrive on the pitch the rain turns to ice and starts cutting him which i pretty sure doesnt happen in the book
NastyShort
It doesn't happen in the book. And in my opinion, they look just like the nazgul. :gonk:
Naz
the dementers do look like nazgul..... another thing they copied from lotr
Patronus
One thing I really like about it is how they show the major amount of zeal that Wood has for Quidditch. I think this book does it even better than the first. Whenever Wood is mentioned, he's always saying something very zealous, and it's just hilarious.
granger_girl
haha yeah I loved Wood in third book, he was absolutely hilarious and sooo cool!!!!!! biggrin.gif
hp123
I loved this book! It was my favorite for a long time. This was the book Harry met Sirius, one of his true father figures. Lupin was also introduced, one of the ONLY good Defense Against the Dark Arts teachers, who also became a mentor for Harry. Ron became much funnier in Divination, as did the Weasley twins. Overall, the book was excellent! Everything seemed to fall into place for Harry at the end of the book. It was a good year for him.
just me
Yeah! I really love this book! This is mye second favourite book of the Harry Potter books (GoF is my favourite!) I haven't read OotP yet, so maybe I will like that one even more, but PoA is definitely one of the best books I've ever read!

I loved Lupin and Sirius...it was very exciting! I wish they had had the part when Harry thinks he sees dementors on a quidditch match and then it's only Draco, Crabbe and Goyle, in the movie. it was so cool!
hpfreak37
I was wondering, since lupin was watching Harry and hermione on the marauder's map, wouldn't he have seen them also in the forest when they used the time turner?
Lordmuggleborn
I think that the dementors seem more powerful than the ringraiths because their life force isnt bound to a bloody ring! And they can weaken you by making you relive your most terrible fears. :cry: lol
NastyShort
Ringwraiths cannot be defeated by a spell. In fact they cannot be defeated at all. Only the Witch-King of Angmar could be defeated, and he had a small chance at that since there were very few women who would fight. And the Nazgul also implement fear on whoever they come across. Unless you're an elf, or a wizard.
Lordmuggleborn
Well harry and everyone who goes to hogwarts is a witch or wizard. :wink:
NastyShort
*stares at ceiling trying not to laugh* Yes, but I was talking about Gandalf or Saruman, or Sauron or Melkor even.

Anywho, the one thing that comforts me about PoA, is all that chocolate. *drool* I mean, they DO seem to eat a ot of chocolate in this book though, don't they?
Shuntpike
I'd say my favourite bit of PoA is the bit where they are in Hogsmeade. I like all the book as it is my favourite and i don't have a least favourite part.
Sonja Black
I love PoA so much. Adding the characters of the Marauders gave the book so much depth, and you feel so much more connected to Harry. There is just so much more emotion than the first two books. And I absolutely adore Sirius (if no one could tell tongue.gif )
Ems
Yeah, me too Sonja Black!! I love you Sirius!!
Adore POA because of The Marauders.
I love the chapter where they are on the train to Hogwarts with Lupin. Yay! Go Lupin! biggrin.gif
Hallia
Hi!! Iīve got somethings Iīve come across while rereading PoA that Iīd like to know your thoughts about:
1. On Hermioneīs exam schedule sheīs got Arithmancy and Transfiguration at 9 oīclock and Charms and Ancient Runes at 1 oīclock. But thatīs not possible, because everybody has Charms and Transfiguration, so as Hermione is the only student (or so we know) with a Time Turner, how would the other students sit two exams at the same time?
2. Lupin has to take the Wolfsbane potion on the week preceding the full moon. But Hermione says the night Wormtail scapes that he hadnīt had his potion that night and he was not safe. So, does he have to have it the week preceding and during the full moon, or only the week preceding it?
3. Sirius and Lupin were going to kill Peter. But Avada Kedavra is dark magic. Where they going to use dark magic, or maybe thereīs some other way to kill somebody without using the AK?
4. When the dementor is in the compartment Harry and the others are and Harry faints, Ginny is shaking like mad. Why? Does she also have horrors in her past we donīt know about?
5. Sirius says LVīs been in hiding for 15 years, but itīs actually been like twelve years and a half sionce he killed Lily and James. This can be a mistake made in my edition, maybe. Do any of you know??

OK, let your thoughts flow.
Allie
QUOTE (Hallia @ Apr 7 2005, 04:01 PM)
1. On Hermioneīs exam schedule sheīs got Arithmancy and Transfiguration at 9 oīclock and Charms and Ancient Runes at 1 oīclock. But thatīs not possible, because everybody has Charms and Transfiguration, so as Hermione is the only student (or so we know) with a Time Turner, how would the other students sit two exams at the same time?
2. Lupin has to take the Wolfsbane potion on the week preceding the full moon. But Hermione says the night Wormtail scapes that he hadnīt had his potion that night and he was not safe. So, does he have to have it the week preceding and during the full moon, or only the week preceding it?

I would take both of these as Flints. wink.gif

QUOTE (Hallia @ Apr 7 2005, 04:01 PM)
3. Sirius and Lupin were going to kill Peter. But Avada Kedavra is dark magic. Where they going to use dark magic, or maybe thereīs some other way to kill somebody without using the AK?

I always figured that Sirius and Lupin were going to use Avada Kedavra there, dark magic or not. blink.gif I suppose that there has got to be some other way of killing people, because I highly doubt that Dumbledore is going to teach Harry a killing curse to do away with Voldemort, but I always figured that this "murder" would have to do with love or something more abstract. I dunno about love killing Pettigrew... Nah, I think that Sirius and Lupin were ready to use dark magic in these circumstances. Pettigrew betrayed their friends; I don't think they're worrying about illegal curses and whatnot at this particular moment.

QUOTE (Hallia @ Apr 7 2005, 04:01 PM)
4. When the dementor is in the compartment Harry and the others are and Harry faints, Ginny is shaking like mad. Why? Does she also have horrors in her past we donīt know about?

I presumed that the reason Ginny was shaking like mad was because of her whole ordeal in the Chamber of Secrets. I mean, if I were writing in a diary, somebody were writing back, I got possessed, I wrote my farewell on the wall, I went down a pipe into the Chamber of Secrets, a guy burst out of the diary, I fainted, I woke up to see Harry Potter on the verge of death with a basilisk fang in his arm, and then I thought I faced expulsion from Hogwarts, it would be a pretty scarring experience, eh? tongue.gif Perhaps there is something else in her past, but I doubt it. She seemed so innocent in the first two books; wouldn't you think that something really bad that happened to her at a young age would be sort of scarring?

QUOTE (Hallia @ Apr 7 2005, 04:01 PM)
5. Sirius says LVīs been in hiding for 15 years, but itīs actually been like twelve years and a half sionce he killed Lily and James. This can be a mistake made in my edition, maybe. Do any of you know??

Mmmm.... I think that's probably just a mistake in your edition. That never stood out to me before, and you'd think it would be something that I would have noticed between the 20+ times that I have read "Prisoner of Azkaban." I would look it up now, but I'm too lazy to walk across the room... tongue.gif
Hallia
QUOTE
I presumed that the reason Ginny was shaking like mad was because of her whole ordeal in the Chamber of Secrets. I mean, if I were writing in a diary, somebody were writing back, I got possessed, I wrote my farewell on the wall, I went down a pipe into the Chamber of Secrets, a guy burst out of the diary, I fainted, I woke up to see Harry Potter on the verge of death with a basilisk fang in his arm, and then I thought I faced expulsion from Hogwarts, it would be a pretty scarring experience, eh?  Perhaps there is something else in her past, but I doubt it. She seemed so innocent in the first two books; wouldn't you think that something really bad that happened to her at a young age would be sort of scarring?

Yeah, I guess... I simply didnīt remeber this at the time when I read it and then I wrote this laugh.gifį


I was reading again PoA yesterday(5/5/2005) when I came across Halloween. When they're searching the castle for Sirius Filch searches the dungeons. Whatever could Filch do against Sirius if he's only a Squib??? Isn't that weird??
mariasp
I think that the idea of going back in time is so cool!! It's my favorite book just because of that...i mean, the ending is the best one of all books!
lawks_fuster
poa was indeed brilliant!
but as i assess it, the first two films are better, still poa is not that good, but not that bad! biggrin.gif
sirius become one of my favorite characters in the book and in the film as well!
for me, sirius is cool! cool.gif
another reason why i like sirius is.....
he transforms into a dog! laugh.gif
i really love dogs!
i also like poa coz' for the first time in history......
they got somehow a good DADA teacher and that's lupin!
lupin, like sirius is really cool! cool.gif
he teaches his students very well!
but the only problem is he being a werewolf! unsure.gif
but being a werewolf really doesn't matter with me!
what matters most is how he teaches the students!

to sum it all, poa is brilliant! rolleyes.gif

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Accio Xbox
Lupin and Sirius are the two coolest characters to be introduced in book three, way cooler than the dementors and everyone else.
gryffin_hauz_88
PoA is my favorite book because this is the first HP book I had read and the story is also great. This is also where my favorite character, Sirius, was introduced and of course, the Marauders. And this is where I really love DADA because of Lupin.
Raiden2
SPOILER: Book 3!!!!!!



I don't understand why warm tail run back to LV, he could just find a new family to keep him for a pet, couln't he?

I also don't understand why JKR made it like that that sirius tried to kill WT and that's why LV returned, something in this whole "WT running away and because of that LV came back" looks bit not right for me, just my opinion.



End of SPOILER: Book 3
Louise
There's no need to post spoilers in this thread, foxhound...people will have read PoA if they're coming into this forum...wink.gif But the sentiments are appreciated...smile.gif Good practise for when HBP comes out...wink.gif

But that's an interesting thought, actually. Pettigrew did have two choices that night - he could have hidden out as a rat, or he could have returned to Voldemort. I suppose the latter option was more realistic for him for several reasons though - firstly, he knew that his cover was blown. He didn't know that Harry and the others would have gone to the newspapers and the Ministry and pretty soon, the whole of wizardkind is looking for a rat missing a toe. Secondly, he was terrified that Sirius and Remus would find him and kill him - he's took weak and cowardly to stand up for himself, so he needed to hide behind LV, making that the only real viable option for him.

The lesser of two evils, I suppose...wink.gif

And with Pettigrew's help, LV could come back...it was a cause and effect thing. It certainly wasn't Sirius' fault.
Hallia
Rereading PoA I came across these two quotes:

" They heard a last pair of people hurrying across the hall and a door slamming" (Scholastic, PoA, page 327)

" 'In here!' Hermione seized Harry's arm and charged him across the hall to the door[...* then slammed the door behind them" (Scholastic, PoA, page 394)

The first quote is when the trio are hading to Hagrid's house, the other one just after Harry and Hermione use the Time Turner. I think these quotes show how JK hides little details leading to what happens later on in the book.
JK's awsome writing!!
Nimbus
I just watched PoA (again) and there's something in there that always bothers me and I've been wondering about for a while.

When Hermione and Harry break Sirius out of the tower, she says something that sounds like "Bombarda" but I coulda sword the only spell for breaking locks they had learned until then was "Allohamora". I can't check the book because I let my brother borrow it and he lost it sad.gif

Anyone know if that is really in the book, or if they just added that spell for the movie?
Hallia
Alohomora doesn't break locks, it simply opens them. I guess it's simply one of those spells that are seen in the movies but not in the books, like the Aresto momentum one.
Nimbus
I just went out and bought a new copy of PoA for myself and re-read it. Ahhh, this book is so freaking good!

One of the things I love about it is the intensity of the shreiking shack scene. Ahh, the betrayal!!! Sirius tells James to make Pettigrew the secret keeper instead because he thinks he'll be helping lilly, harry, and him...the irony!!! They were like brothers!!!

soo good, so sad, i love it tongue.gif

weirdmuggleboi
The dementors seem to stand out the most in this story beside sirius. They are just so creepy, and mysterious, and thats what i like about them. haha im so weird.
spike1239
I think its the best book of harry potter. its the best book , was the best book and will be the best book.. ( unless the 6th or sevent book comes out too be cool, cause i havent got my hands on the 6th yet...)
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I like it cause its cool and it has suspence in it. dry.gif dry.gif u never know whats up.
bogart .. espesialy when the part of riddiculas comes is cool too!!
no need to talk about dementors!
Pixymajik
This one and OOTP have so far been my two favourites- I love the character exploration of Sirius and also for Snape. I think that we learn about the nature of these two a lot and I think the story flows somewhat better than a couple of the others.

The one thing I really didn't like about this- however I realise that it was vital to the story- was Hermione and the Time Turner. I think there were too many faults with this.

First of all, it created the assumption that Hermione was the only person taken a particular combination of subjects. And then things like Charms and Transfiguration- which are mandatory subjects- are put on at the same time as Ancient Runes and Arithmancy (for the exams). But unless everyone who is doing those two additional subjects has a time turner, this just doesn't make sense.

And then along with that, you'd think the teachers- other than McGonagle- would need to know about her using the time turner- because surely they'd catch onto the fact that she had double classes- and yet Snape makes no mention of it when he's accusing Harry of helping Black escape. If he'd known about it, this should have been the first thing that he was mentioning.

But other than that, I loved this story. I think it was really nice to be able to give Harry a connection to his parents- both through Black and Lupin.
mugglelover
I'm curious as to why Harry didn't feel the overwhelming urge to use the Time Turner to go back and save his parents?
Pixymajik
I think maybe because at the time he was too heavily focused on Sirius and then the time turner was given back to McGonagle.

But- and I'm sure I discussed this, so maybe it's in another thread- can you just imagine how many times he would need to turn that thing? Given that three turns was three hours......



Just had a thought and this is maybe more a general discussion than in here but on the topic of time turners- did Percy Weasley have one? He got 12 OWLS, as we were told at the start of COS, but Hermione needs a time turner to do her subjects??? that doesn't make sense.
George's Girl
i just wanna say that PoA is my fave hp book. Love it! OotP comes very close, but its there we meet the end of the sirius we've come to know and love, introduced in PoA. oh cruel irony...

anywho...this is the first time we meet the 'darker' harry, and it adds a lot of depth to the story, and also to the relationships in the tale. a lot of growth goes on here, and it highly elevates this book, in my opinion (probably why i also love OotP, which is kinda the same). there is also a lot of humour, but definitely darker all round than the first two. i dunno, there will always be a special place for PoA on my bookshelf.

xx
Hermione 14
First of all, Im not sure that I should be posting here, but mods, feel free to move it, anways, I have a question about PoA..So Fred and George have had the Mauderers Map for three years before they give it to Harry, and Scabbers (Pettigrew) was with Ron and Harry so much then why wouldnt Fred and Georgehave seen it and then Scabbers wouldve been revealed sooner?


I dont know if Im totally missing something, but it just seemed weird.


-Kelly
luckyfish
PoA was and is my favourite book so far as sirius is introduced and that makes me SMILE!Cause harry has finally got what all children need and should have, a parent and harry deserves it after all that he has gone through. cool.gif I also think that it realy starts here with ron and hermiones relationship and not to mention the malfoy nose hitting part!That was so wicked!!!!!!!! laugh.gif
linnean
This is probably my favorite book of the series. (so far). I really liked Professor Lupin. I enjoyed the bits of him giving Harry extra lessons. This book had a much more involved plot and the whole idea of the time turner was pretty inventive. I'm not a huge Sirius fan, but I was so happy the Harry finally had someone to talk to about his parents. The Mauraders map was a cool idea too.
Just the Droobles
I really like this book! Lupin was introduced and so was Sirius and I love them so much!!! We got to know a little more about Snape as well and so much stuff was told and it was just cool. It is probably my favorite book after HBP.
Yeah, I think there is a lot of fishy stuff about the Marauder's Map. Like, wouldn't have they been able to see where Sirius was? And I know they may have seen Pettigrew on the map but not know who he is, but wouldn't it be weird that the guy was always next to Ron? I mean wouldn't you be a little puzzled if there was some guy in bed with your little brother?
I also thought it was great for Harry to find out he had a bit of family. (curse you Book 5!!) Sirius is sooooooo cool. He is one of my favorite characters.
And everyone has to love it when Hermione socks Draco in the nose!!
veronica
My favorite part of PoA was where Harry and Hermione are using the Time-Turner. I think it's cool the way
time travel works, and how they managed to save both Sirius and Buckbeak.javascript:emoticon(':D')
I also liked when Lupin is introduced, and how he's a werewolf. Overall, it's a really good book.



SiriusB1214
QUOTE (Just the Droobles @ Dec 21 2005, 01:26 PM)
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Yeah, I think there is a lot of fishy stuff about the Marauder's Map. Like, wouldn't have they been able to see where Sirius was? And I know they may have seen Pettigrew on the map but not know who he is, but wouldn't it be weird that the guy was always next to Ron?

...

The Marauder's Map only works within the ground of Hogwarts. It may be that such a map can only work within an unplottable zone, or in the general world, but not both. Since Sirius was not at Hogwarts until some time during book 3, Fred and George really didn't have much time to notice him.

Also, they seemed to concentrate on using the map for their own schemes, not for spying on the hundreds or thousands of people at the school. Mostly they used it to keep track of Filch, the prefects, and the professors, to stay out of their way. They'd no more care about Pettigrew, than some minor pratt like, say, Colin Creavy.
SiriusB1214
QUOTE (Naz @ May 22 2004, 09:12 PM)
the dementers do look like nazgul..... another thing they copied from lotr

I'm working on a theory that the Harry Potter series is a continuation of the LoTR universe. Another way of putting it is that the Harry Potter world, is the world that the people of the Dark Ages really thought they lived in. They really believed in magic and witchcraft, just as much as they believed in wood and steel.

Now. on to my main point. If there is anything to my theory, then the dementors may be some remnant of the Nazgul, left from after the One Ring was destroyed. Yes, thhere are more of them, but that may be because there was always the possibilty that more than 9 of them could be created. Like the Nazgul, they are blind, they follow orders, etc., but they are somewhat less powerful. Perhaps the magic of the Nazgul has been deluted across about 200 ghouls, or whatever, to create the dementors.

We do not know how the dementors came into existence. Whether they were created, made, or whether they have always existed like poltergists, it seems unlikely they were born as dementors, and that dementors are just another magical creature, like dragons. Why? Because there are no baby dementors, and no dementor mothers.

(A dementor mother is nearly an unthinkable thought!)

I think the origins of the dementors is a secert locked within the Department of Mysteries, as is the question of who first made a horcrux, and how was the process discovered?
sovereign


there was something i read on pg. 204 of POA that I thought was really kind of strange, but also helps my faveorite character Snape's case after the evnets fo the HBP

It takes place when Harry is hiding from his teachers and the minister in the three broomsticks, when Fudge makes a certain comment:

"...Not many people are aware that the Potters knew You-Know-Who was after them. Dumbledore, who of course was working tirelessly against You- Know -Who, had a number of useful a number of useful spies. One of them tipped him off, and he alerted James and Lily at once..."

Who was the spy?
A certain Potions Master maybe?

I don't remember if I posted this somewhere else, so please tell me if i did, and tell me what you think of this info. wub.gif
The Corey's
If the spy was Snape then it contridicts the reason he turned good in the first place doesn't it?

It would suggest he was on the good side yet working for both equally.

Think about it, DD said that Snape turned good or some one did based on the fact that the Potters were killed on the information he passed on to LV so if that was the reason he turned good and DD believed him it isn't possible for him to be the spy because at the time he would still be on the evil side because he wouldn't of turned good when the Potter murders were yet to happen.

Unless of course their is more to the story that DD never told us, we know he was holding out more apon the events that happened in HBP but never said anything, so it wont be untill book 7 that your theory could be proven true but from what we do know it is contricted with book 6.
sovereign
that is very true. im gonna have a rough time figuring that one out.
that is one very good arguement kudos! okay( clears throat and tries to figure this out, im not givin up on Snape!)

Fudge most likely doesn't know the whole story on what happened.
DD said that Snape had no possible way of knowing who the overheard prophesy was talking about. so maybe Snape was going to let the plan of Voldemort's happen, until he found out that he was going to attack the potters. lets not forget that James had once saved Snape's life, so from what I'm getting from the books Snape had to return the favor and told Dumbldore of the Voldemorts plan to kill the potters anonymously and continued to work for Voldemort. of course Dumbledore would have recognized Snape's handwriting. So Snape would not have really joined DD's side until after the dark lord disappeared.

BUT,I also read this in GoF(or maybe it was in the movie can't remember) when Harry falls into the penseive were they are holding Karkaroff and he reports him to Barty Crouch and the others, DD stands up and says that Snape joined the good side PRIOR to Voldemort's disappearance. Oh yeah I forgot The Dark Lord told him to go there. sorry I forget easy. wel thats all I've got for now.

And thanks The Corey's!

The Corey's
Even though I argued your point the first time around, I only did so because what you was arguing was being contridicted.\

Not because I don't believe Snape is good, in fact I do. Only for a differnt reason.

SPOILERS FOR HBP

Remember the part in 6 when Hagrid says he over heard Snape and DD arguing on the edge of the forrest and that DD expected to much from Snape but DD said Snape agreed to work for him and he had to do it?

That is right after Hagrid said he didn't get to hear it all, this to me clearly suggest that this conversation plays a bigger part then what we don't know yet, it for shadows something and I believe it forshadowed the end of 6 and we won't find out untill 7.

Basically Snape either killed DD on his orders, or he and DD faked the death. It's one or the other.

Anyways you make a good argument for Snape, but it's not me who needs convincing Snape is awesome, esspecially in the movies, I can not wait to see the end of movie 6 simply to see Rickman and Gamdon doing that scene.
sovereign
thanks , and sorry for misunderstanding your post, I was up at 2:00 am and running low on the comprehending. wacko.gif
The Corey's
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Oh I just love this book. It is my absolute favorite book in the world! I'v read it so many time I'v totally lost count! It's the greatest!!! cool.gif
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