Ok, so here's a shiny new thread for you all to enjoy.

The following questions are those that were in play on the last page.

If Lily hadn't let herself get killed instead of harry, she would still live and harry would be death. How do you think Snape's future would have looked like? I mean: would he stay a deatheater, or do you think lily could have convinced him from going to the good side, or something else. Would Snape perhaps even start a relationship with lily? ( james did die )

There promises to be lots of Severus Snape in the new HBP movie. What scene(s) are you most looking forward to seeing on the big screen and why?


What do you think Snape's favorite muggle book and movie would've been?

Thanks for the new thread, Elaine. Sorry I got confused; I would have loved to have done it, I just thought you meant to write Amanda.

I just thought of something and wanted to share it with my fellow Snape lovers: We have to change the link in our siggy's so that it brings potential members to our new thread. Here's to 1000 new posts!

Lisa

Love the new roomier thread. Alrighty Snape lovers, let's start filling it up!

I have a new question to add to the mix.

If Severus could have hand-picked his successor as Howarts Headmaster, who would he have picked and what is the reason he would have pick this person?

I have several theories on this question. The first is that he would pick someone who was a former student but someone who was housed in Ravenclaw. I don't think he would choose a former Slytherin or Gryffindor just for the annimosity and I don't think he respected Hufflepuff all that much.

The other option is that he would give it back to McGonogall but that was just too obvious.
The third thing I thought of was that he would decline to choose. I don't know why I think this except that his judgement would be clouded.

What does everyone else think?

Wow,

We are on our new thread, yipee. . . another thousand posts to come. . . and what a lucky girl lisa to be the first to post here, but you certainly deserve the honor.

I was just thinking. . .

What do you think Severus would do if Draco hadn't brought the death eaters to the castle on the night when Harry and Dumbledore came back from the cave, and it was Harry that is asking him to help Dumbledore? What would be his reactions and what would he do eventually?

If Severus could have hand-picked his successor as Howarts Headmaster, who would he have picked and what is the reason he would have pick this person?

Even though it is obvious, I think Severus would have chosen McGonagall. They may not have liked each other, but he did respect her as a person and as a talented witch, and I believe he would have felt that he was leaving the students in good hands with her. She would do her best to keep them safe and uphold the Hogwarts' educational standards, as well as the vision that Dumbledore had for Hogwarts.

Another thought I had was Professor Flitwick. He must be quite clever to be head of Ravenclaw house and he would have been one of Severus' professors, as he was teaching at the time Sev was a student. Flitwick seems like a good second choice as he's proven his bravery during the battles and has lots of experience, talent, and intelligence.

What do you think Severus would do if Draco hadn't brought the death eaters to the castle on the night when Harry and Dumbledore came back from the cave, and it was Harry that is asking him to help Dumbledore? What would be his reactions and what would he do eventually?

Severus may have given Harry a hard time, as he did in GoF when Harry was in need of help with Mr. Crouch, but ultimately Severus would have come to Dumbledore's aid. By that time, he knew what Dumbledore and Harry were doing during their private lessons and he also knew that Dumbledore was quite ill. I'm sure Severus would have been able to counteract the poison that Dumbledore had drunk or slowed it down as he did with the curse on DD's hand.

Lisa

If Severus could have hand-picked his successor as Howarts Headmaster, who would he have picked and what is the reason he would have pick this person?

I think that he would have picked, like nevillesgirl said, someone from Ravenclaw. I'm not exactly sure who... then who would he give it to? Maybe he would have picked Lupin (if Lupin hadn't died) because Lupin was intelligent and Lupin probably irritated Snape the least out of all of the marauders. I don't think anyone else would be worthy in his eyes. Maybe prof Sprout? Or Flitwick? I have no idea.



What do you think Severus would do if Draco hadn't brought the death eaters to the castle on the night when Harry and Dumbledore came back from the cave, and it was Harry that is asking him to help Dumbledore? What would be his reactions and what would he do eventually?

I think that Snape would first tell Harry not to tell him what to do. Then he would absolutely help Dumbledore and tell Harry to go away. He probably wouldn't have a reaction because he really doesn't show that much emotion. That's pretty much all I can picture him doing.

The SOSS truly has the best members. Everyone here loves Severus and by extension, Alan Rickman who portrays him so exquisitely. The thread thrives largely due to your devotion and creativity in posting and the family atmosphere that goes on in here.

It is with a heavy heart that I say now that I have resigned as President of the SOSS effective immediately. My muggle life has become far too chaotic as of late and I cannot give this thread the attention I once was able to...the attention the thread deserves.

Without further hesitation, I would like to announce that your new President of the SOSS is someone who adores Snape (almost) as much as I do. She is thoughtful in her posts and dedicated to this thread. Her knowledge about our dear Severus is second to none. Please join me in congratulating...


I know she will do a fantastic job in guiding this club and taking care of all of you.

I have absolutely enjoyed facilitating this great bunch of snapelovers and will never forget the fun of Snapeweek and Alan's birthday celebrations. The 12 days of Snapemas was also fun.
Nick, thank you for being a wonderfully talented Fanfic Coordinator. I look forward to seeing what you and Lisa come up with.

Of course I will always be around and look forward to posting and joining in the regular discussions. You all have my deepest Aloha.

~Amanda~

Hi Everyone,

I wanted to publicly thank Amanda for being such a wonderful president. I'm so sorry to see you go , but your family priorities must come first. You had just taken on the role of president when I first joined S.O.S.S. and you've been such an excellent guide in our discussions and, obviously, the best contributor. The activities you came up with for the 12 Days of Snapemas, as well as Severus and Alan's birthdays, were truly phenomenal.

I have some mighty big shoes to fill, but I want you all to know that I will do my best! I'm looking forward to the challenge and I am extremely grateful to Amanda for her nomination and her confidence in me.

In honor of both the HBP movie release and our sad farewell to the former (and fantastic) president, I thought up a question that has to do with goodbyes, as well as our darling Half Blood Prince:

We all know that for an unforgivable curse to work, the caster must really mean it. What do you believe Severus was thinking and feeling when he hurled the Avada Kedavra at Dumbledore?

Here's the quote from HBP that made me think of the question:

Snape gazed for a moment at Dumbledore, and there was revulsion and hatred etched in the harsh lines of his face.

Lisa

nevillesgirl, you've been a amazingly devoted president, your love for Severus and Alan is wonderful. I'm sad to see you step down, but life happens, and I understand you need to make that your first priority. Thank you for the lovely discussions.

lisasnape, I've always imagined you as sort of a vice president, so I know you'll be a brilliant leader of SOSS. You post quite often...more than I can say for some people (*cough* me *cough*), and you answer questions completely. Good luck!

We all know that for an unforgivable curse to work, the caster must really mean it. What do you believe Severus was thinking and feeling when he hurled the Avada Kedavra at Dumbledore?

Severus meant it, of course, or else the spell wouldn't have worked. Ironically, he meant it in respect for his true master, that he would fulfill the wishes of Dumbedore until the very end, no matter how difficult he may have found these requests. I believe that Snape was thinking that the last thing he'd want to do was to kill the Headmaster, but it needed to be done, so he would give Dumbledore his one last favor of completing the depressing task.

We all know that for an unforgivable curse to work, the caster must really mean it. What do you believe Severus was thinking and feeling when he hurled the Avada Kedavra at Dumbledore?

I think that Snape was looking back at the past years. The 'revulsion and hatred' on his face I believe was because he really didn't want to kill DD; he had much respect for him, but he knew that Dumbledore was slowly dying. He must have felt great pain as he looked at Dumbledore before he shot the killing curse.


Also, congrats lisasnape on becoming leader of SOSS, and nevillesgirl we will miss you!

We all know that for an unforgivable curse to work, the caster must really mean it. What do you believe Severus was thinking and feeling when he hurled the Avada Kedavra at Dumbledore?


Based on the movie I saw the other day...nothing. I'm sorry but I really didn't feel any emotion emitting from our beloved Alan to make me feel that Severus felt anything the book described.

Based on the book. I think he was absolutely feeling revulsion. I think the thought of Severus having to kill Dumbledore made him sick to his stomach. I think he was able to do it though because he truly did mean it. When he gave his word to kill Dumbledore because the great wizard wanted to save face and keep some dignity, Severus was honorable to keep his word and do the deed on those merits. In order to save Draco from maiming his soul and to keep the Unbreakable Vow, Severus meant to kill Dumbledore to accomplish those goals.
Do I think he was sad he was losing a friend? No. I don't think Severus saw Dumbledore as a friend. He saw him, in my opinion, as a very close colleague...one he spent 17 years working closely together on for a common goal and that kind of respect in a working relationship must have hit Severus upon casting that killing curse as feeling like an abandoned leader of a rebellion who no longer trusted him. I think he saw the enormity of the situation and knew that no matter what he had to do whatever he could to continue to follow the path he had set down the night Lily was killed.

Thank you for your well-wishes. I am so excited for this new chapter in the SOSS and know that Lisa will lead us forward brilliantly. Whew, it feels great to just post and not have to worry about anything else.

Er...hi well, I'm just going to jump right into the conversation, so if you guys don't want me just tell me to get lost and I will.

We all know that for an unforgivable curse to work, the caster must really mean it. What do you believe Severus was thinking and feeling when he hurled the Avada Kedavra at Dumbledore?

Wow good question, I really agree with nevillesgirl that he felt disgusted, I think Snape always admired Dumbledore and was upset that he had to be the one to kill him. However I think he was concentrating on the reasons why he had to do it, to save Draco from becoming a murderer, and I think that Snape thought of Draco as a nephew. So I think that between the fact that he wanted to save Draco and that he's smart enough to know that Dumbledore is almost always right, he found the will to do it.

Sorry if that make no sense

Luv ya

No! Stay, you're very welcome. Join SOSS, we need all the members we can get!

As much as I don't want to believe it, I also think so. It was different, Alan is usually spot on when it comes to Snape, or any character he's portrayed. I'm getting a sense that he's getting a bit tired with the role, you can see that when he talks about it, like he wants to move on. I guess I don't blame him, and it's sad how he'll forever be "Snape" to many people.

Welcome, Jilly Bean! The more Snape lovers the better! That's my line of thinking, anyway. We're glad to have you join in on our conversations about our dear Severus.

We all know that for an unforgivable curse to work, the caster must really mean it. What do you believe Severus was thinking and feeling when he hurled the Avada Kedavra at Dumbledore?

I agree with what everyone has said so far, regarding Snape being disgusted by the fact that he was the one who had to end Dumbledore's life, but that he knew what had to be done and so he did it. I've always felt that there was a little more to it though. I think that Severus had to dig deep down and find some pure hatred towards Albus in order to make the killing curse work. I imagine he would have dredged up his anger about all the things the headmaster had asked of him in exchange for protecting Lily from Voldemort. Severus had to watch over Harry, who he loathed, regularly risk his life spying on Voldy, and in a way, it was in vain. Lily wasn't saved. Maybe Severus partially blamed Dumbledore for Lily's death; for not protecting her fully, like he guaranteed that he would. The last sentence is just a thought; I'm not sure how strongly I believe it, but I thought I'd throw it out there and see what everyone else thinks.

Thanks to everyone for their congratulations. Snapefan21, what you said was sooo sweet; thank you.

Lisa

We all know that for an unforgivable curse to work, the caster must really mean it. What do you believe Severus was thinking and feeling when he hurled the Avada Kedavra at Dumbledore?

Based on the quote, I am really unsure. I never thought that Snape hated Dumbledore. I guess he hated him for wanting Snape to kill him.

He was probably thinking: What a loss this is. I can't believe he's making me do this. But it's just as well, I made a promise to Dumbledore and an unforgivable curse to help Draco...

He probably felt really mad because he didn't want to kill Dumbledore (or at least that's what I hope!).

Part of me thinks that he wouldn't have so far of a stretch to "hate" Dumbledore. I mean, he was trapped by the Dark Lord and then later Albus. He probably resented not having a say in his own life as is evident by his arguement with Dumbledore near the forest saying DD took too much for granted and what if he [Snape] didn't want to do it anymore.

But then again to use an unforgiveable curse such as the Avada Kedavra, doesn't mean you have to hate someone. You just have to mean to kill them. That is to say, it has to be quite intentional. I think this is how Severus does it. He had always intended to kill Dumbledore, from the moment he gave him his word. He may have been angry and tired at what he seemed was DD pulling his strings, but I don't think hate was a part of it.

When I think about it, how can Snape hate James and then put that same word to describe his feelings for DD? To me, it makes no sense.

Welcome Jilly Bean! You are in the best club ever with the best people.

Aw...thanks guys, I'm happy to be welcomed



I really like this quote that FollowTheSpiders posted, I mean, I don't think the Snape hated DD, but he hated how DD had asked him to do something so...drastic and horrible.



I completely get what you're saying

Luv ya

Oh nevillesgirl, I'm so sorry to see you go. I had a lot of fun reading your posts. Hopefully, whatever chaos is whipping through your life right now will spend itself quickly. Best wishes for speedy and pleasant resolutions.

On to your question:

We all know that for an unforgivable curse to work, the caster must really mean it. What do you believe Severus was thinking and feeling when he hurled the Avada Kedavra at Dumbledore?

I know a lot of posts indicate that "you have to mean" to use an unforgivable curse. The fake Moody said that in GoF. So did Bellatrix Lestrange in OotP. But she said something else too, that would give Severus a real reason to not what to ever use an Unforgivable. She said, "You have to enjoy it". She even made a point of saying that righteous anger wasn't enough.

Dumbledore might have asked Severus to "help an old man out and avoid further embarrassment", but in order to accomplish this, Severus would have to lay bare the ugliest side of his soul.

Take this for instance. A wasp decides to build a home over your door. Every time you get near, the wasp and all of its little wasp friends sting you. You go to knock the nest down and the whole swarm come after you. You spray them with the hose, killing quite a few. You might argue that you were acting in self defense, and I wouldn't disagree. But you meant to kill the wasps, because you brought a hose. However, I'll wager you didn't enjoy doing what you did, even if they were nasty, mean wasps who stung you every time you walked out the door. You derived no pleasure from the act. That's the real difference in using an Unforgivable. Severus had to derive some pleasure from what he did. How could Dumbledore have asked him to do that? No wonder he looked at Albus "with hatred and revulsion".

Actually, I don't think Snape was concentrating too hard. One of the after effects of the Avada Kedavra curse is that the victim, in addition to being dead, looks terrified. Certainly, all the Riddles did, and that's how the Ministry knew they had been cursed. Dumbledore on the other hand, looked as if he were merely sleeping. I think that Severus kept his soul intact by merely being angry with Dumbledore and taking no pleasure in what he was doing. Even if the curse merely stunned Albus, the fall alone would have finished him off.

Hi,

nevillesgirl, you have been a wonderful president, I've really enjoyed posting here while you were the headmaster. I know our muggle world really consumed a lot of our time and energy, I wish all the best in all your endeavours. Don't forget to still visit us as frequently as you can, because we will miss you and your posts.


Lisasnape, Congratulations! I know you will be a wonderful president, you have been really active and posting tirelessly, a toast for you.

Welcome to all the new members, don't hesitate to post in here, we really enjoyed having new members, to keep soss and the memory of our dear Severus alive.

I really like your reasoning EliasOsiris. You summed up some of what I was trying to get at, but also made me consider that it's possible that Severus' curse didn't actually kill Dumbledore because Sev didn't enjoy it. Actually, it's the opposite of what I was originally thinking, but I really like it. It's a great theory and it makes me happy to think that there is a tiny possibility that Severus didn't harm his soul using the Avada Kedavra.

Lisa

Rowling actually explained that in order to use AK, the caster needs to fill themselves with hate, but what this contempt is directed towards specifically is unimportant. In Snape's case, it is (most ironically) his hatred of the Avada Kedavra curse that fuels him with enough rage and disdain to sucessfully cast the spell intended to end Dumbledore's life.

Amanda, thanks for being the president of this club, and putting up with all of us . I hope you continue to post though, because you contribute some really good suggestions and solutions.

And a huge congratulations is in order for Miss lisasnape. I'm sure you'll make a wonderful new president because you were already a wonderful club member. Good luck to you!

We all know that for an unforgivable curse to work, the caster must really mean it. What do you believe Severus was thinking and feeling when he hurled the Avada Kedavra at Dumbledore?



I quite like the theory that Dumbledore's fall is what truly finished him off.

My own theory on this subject is that Severus didn't hate Dumbledore, but hated what he was making him do. He was mad that Dumbledore would make him kill him. That is what fueled his killing curse.

~alyssa~

Thanks everyone for the well-wishes. Of course I am going to post often. I still have a lot to say.

So that makes sense that Severus would fill himself with hate but not have that hate directed at Albus. What confuses me is the whole idea of having to enjoy it. Bella, as EliasOsiris pointed out, said that you have to enjoy it but what we have come to realize about many of the Death Eaters and especially their Master, Voldemort, was that they didn't fully understand the depths of magic. Their perception about love as magic as well as the unforgivable curses could be altered. Perhaps because Bella enjoyed killing and torturing was the reason she said you have to enjoy it. Perhaps that is not the real reason, because I don't see how Severus could have enjoyed killing Albus, or anyone for that matter anymore. Perhaps he could have enjoyed it before Lily's death but I think he lost the lust for killing in the years he had been teaching and working with Dumbledore.

I have a new question. I have been re-reading HBP and this has been bugging me a bit.

Why was the Advanced Potions Making book, which belonged to Severus, still in the Potions cupboard? If it was Snapes and he had invented and perfected all sorts of spells and potions, why didn't he move it to his new office when Slughorn became the new potions professor?

On the one hand it would be nice to believe that Snape had ulterior motives and wanted Harry to discover that book, wanted anyone to discover that book so they would know how brilliant he was. Perhaps he wanted Harry to find it because he knew Harry wouldnt take his help in person and this was a way of teaching him really useful spells he would need to know.
But, when they finally meet in the grounds and they duel and Snape is all upset that Harry found and used the spells in that book makes no sense, so why didn't he just take the book so no one would find it?

Does this make any sense or am I talking bubbles?

Why was the Advanced Potions Making book, which belonged to Severus, still in the Potions cupboard? If it was Snapes and he had invented and perfected all sorts of spells and potions, why didn't he move it to his new office when Slughorn became the new potions professor?

Maybe Snape forgot to grab it while changing classrooms? I know it seems farfetched and something that Snape wouldn't do, but it's possible. Or maybe he thought he lost it? Or maybe Snape thought it was in a secret place, but really it was stored inside the cupboard?

Although, that's a lot of maybe's lol. Personally, I have no clue. Every time I come up with an explanation, I think "But that's just not Snape". This may be one of the Unexplained Mysteries of Severus Snape

Welcome to SOSS, MarkD. We love having new members! Alyssa, Thanks so much for your well wishes. You're a sweetie!

Why was the Advanced Potions Making book, which belonged to Severus, still in the Potions cupboard? If it was Snapes and he had invented and perfected all sorts of spells and potions, why didn't he move it to his new office when Slughorn became the new potions professor?

That's a good question, and one which I pondered last night when I couldn't sleep. It is very out of character for Severus to be forgetful or careless. None the less, I've come up with an explanation that might work...maybe.

Even though Severus knew Advanced Potion Making verbatim, he still needed to have a copy of the book, as all professors have a copy of the book they are teaching from. Instead of getting a new book, he used his own book from when he was a student because of all the notes and spells he had written in it. Since there was no need for him to keep it in his personal library, he kept it in the cupboard in the potions classroom, in the event that he ever needed to reference something. Keep in mind that Severus, unlike Slughorn, would never let any student go rummaging through his private cupboard. If someone needed a book, he would have chosen one for them himself or made them share with another student and then taken points from their house for not being prepared. I digress.

In Severus' haste to switch classrooms, so that he could finally teach DADA, he forgot to take his personal copy of Advanced Potion Making (as xxkrakenslayerxx suggested). He probably had lots on his mind; new lesson plans, spying on Voldemort, making it appear that he was spying on Dumbledore, trying to help Draco, and had a lapse in memory. I'm sure he never guessed that Harry would end up with his old school book. What do you all think?

Lisa

p.s. Nope, Amanda, you're not talking bubbles. It's a great question.

Oh, wow, I have been gone from here for way too long. First off, Amanda, you were a great president for the amount of time I've been here. And Lisa, I know I've already told you on Twitter, but congratulations! You'll do great, my Severely, obsessed friend. Welcome to all new members as well! Now, to answer so many questions.

What do you think Snape's favorite muggle book and movie would've been?

I think that he would of enjoyed Stephen King books; I've never read any of them personally, but just that author in general, from what I've heard, seems to fit him. Movie wise... maybe The Davinci Code, or things of that nature.

We all know that for an unforgivable curse to work, the caster must really mean it. What do you believe Severus was thinking and feeling when he hurled the Avada Kedavra at Dumbledore?

I really feel he'd have to be believing his hatred for Voldemort and Wormtail helping cause Lily's murder. If he was really feeling hatred toward Dumbeldore, it would of been not giving him the DADA job all those years, but I don't think that would of been enough.

Why was the Advanced Potions Making book, which belonged to Severus, still in the Potions cupboard? If it was Snapes and he had invented and perfected all sorts of spells and potions, why didn't he move it to his new office when Slughorn became the new potions professor?

I'm thinking no one was ever given it before or ever knew about it. So, I don't think he felt the need to move it. Severus might of even forgotten about it, but when he saw the effects upon Draco, he realized how stupid he had been, leaving it there. I think that's the best bet, because I don't think he would of actually just left it there, knowing about it. It seems to foolish for him.

What do you think Severus would do if Draco hadn't brought the death eaters to the castle on the night when Harry and Dumbledore came back from the cave, and it was Harry that is asking him to help Dumbledore? What would be his reactions and what would he do eventually?

I really think that Severus might of distracted Harry with going to get something and then killed Dumbeldore. He agreed to do it, and it was near the end of Dumbeldore's time anyway. Either that, or he would of killed him right in front of Harry. I think of Dumbeldore would of let him know what he should of done, which in my opinion, might of actually been just killing him then and there.

Hi Everyone,

Things are a bit quiet in here, so I thought a new discussion would keep us busy until everyone has seen HBP, and then we can talk about that. I know we've contemplated Severus' father before, but I don't think we have discussed how Sev's life would have been different if Tobias was a wizard, so:

How would Severus' life been different if his father was a wizard? How would it have been the same?

Let's get chatting! I'm looking forward to seeing what everyone has to say...and I'm so excited to choose July's SOSS Devotee of the Month. It'll be my first official act as president!

Lisa

Been away for so long with no satisfactory reasons as to why to be honest. How bad of me. . .

I don’t think my post will my very lengthy - it is quite late.

Firstly, even though I have not been here I’m sorry to see you step down as president Nevillesgirl and good luck lisasnape in taking up this role.

There promises to be lots of Severus Snape in the new HBP movie. What scene(s) are you most looking forward to seeing on the big screen and why?
I have in fact watched the movie now but before I watched it I was only really, really looking forward to two scenes and they were:
-The Spinner’s End scene because I would have like to see Bella grill Snape for answers of where his loyalties lie.
-The killing of Albus Dumbledore because I wanted to see how Snape was portrayed in the moment before killing Dumbledore - good, bad, mysterious etc…

Actually, I’ll answer the other questions when I’m more awake. Night.

Hi,

Have everyone seen the movie?

What can you say about the scenes which include Snape, especially at the top of the lightning struck tower and the flight afterwards?

Just want to know your views on this.

What can you say about the scenes which include Snape, especially at the top of the lightning struck tower and the flight afterwards?
......
Maybe it's just the fact that I expect too much from this actor, or perhaps it's the director's fault, but after seeing the movie for the second time, I must say I'm disappointed in some of the scenes with Snape, specifically the ones after the Tower. It was supposed to be emotional, the scene with Harry and Snape outside of Hogwarts was supposed to be powerful. It was flat, emotionless. Snape needed to yell, to show some feeling, and the line where Snape says "Yes, I am the Half Blood Prince" was supposed to have impact, to shock the audience. It did absolutely nothing.

Why, Alan? You're such a terrific actor, what happened?

~This could have gone either way. Tobias could have influenced Severus to embrace the fact that he was only half blood and try to prove his qualities to be just as good as a pure blood. Severus could have become just as mean with the support of his father.
On the other hand, and I think this may be very acurate, Severus' character was directly influenced by the abuse and tragedy going on at home. I think that if Tobias had magical abilities, his outlook and countanance on life would have been greatly improved and he would have taken a greater interest in Severus and his learning. Perhaps he still would have been in Slytherin but maybe not quite so much without the social confidence he seemed to lack. Perhaps he would have found a better balance between his selfish nature and the buried down bravery that we all know was there.



~Good idea. I would like to see the movie again to get a clearer picture of how I feel about it before I talk about it. My three year old was shifting on my lap the entire movie.

Ahh! I just saw it, what.. a couple hours ago, and I was totally like, "No! That's terrible. Severus needs to be angry" *sighs* But, Lisa said she wanted to wait another week to give time for everyone to see the movie, so I'll keep my mouth shut.

How would Severus' life been different if his father was a wizard? How would it have been the same?



I hadn't even thought about it this way, Amanda, but it is an interesting concept. I was thinking that, yes, Tobias would help Severus to embrace his half-blood status if he were a wizard. Helping him with his social confidence... I don't know. I suppose that Tobias might still be the 'sour, unhappy man' he was even if he had liked magic.. maybe sort of the attitude like Mundungus, minus the stealing. So, it depends on whether he became happy because he'd been a wizard or was still all depressed like...

-Kiersten-

How would Severus' life have been different if his father was a wizard? How would it have been the same?

If Tobias had been a wizard and Sev's mom, Eileen, was still a witch, then I think his life would have been different in a few ways. First, his father wouldn't have disliked/mistrusted magic and may not have been as argumentative. I think Tobias would probably still be a difficult man, but maybe he would have had a career he enjoyed (being magical and all) and not been quite so unhappy, therefore Severus' family life may have been less volatile. Maybe Sev wouldn't have been as neglected. Secondly, Severus might have had more friends seeing as he was a full-blood. He wouldn't have been straddling two worlds; instead he would have lived entirely in the wizarding world. Finally, depending on what house Tobias had been in at Hogwarts, Severus might not have endeavored to be a Slytherin. He might have wanted to be in his father's house or even just to let the sorting hat do it's job and choose whichever house it felt he best belonged in.

Who knows? It's possible that his if Sev's father had been a wizard, and was well informed on current affairs, he may have disliked Voldemort's ideology and warned Severus to stay away from Death Eaters and such. In that way, Severus' life may have differed dramatically.

Lisa

I’ll answer some more questions now …

What do you think Snape's favourite muggle book and movie would've been?
Oh this is a interesting, difficult question…so many books and movies to chose from…hmm…
I personally see Snape as enjoying books which accompany both mystery/conspiracy and myth/legend together. I mean something like (mugglelovrspew as also suggested the following) Dan Brown’s books, The Da Vinci Code and Angels and Demons and perhaps he would enjoy these movies to. Not sure really though to be honest, good but difficult question.

We all know that for an unforgivable curse to work, the caster must really mean it. What do you believe Severus was thinking and feeling when he hurled the Avada Kedavra at Dumbledore?

The etched lines in his face filled with revulsion and hatred were because of the hatred towards the action he must carry out because he promised he would even though he didn’t really want to. He promised Dumbledore he would kill him but he had a “hatred” to carrying out his action. Snape, the caster of the killing curse, really meant it because he know he had to. Snape was loyal to Dumbledore and would not break a promise likely plus he made the Unbreakable Vow with Draco’s mother (I cant spell her name ) So he knew that if he did fail he would die and betray Dumbledore at the same time. I believe Snape was thinking of the hatred towards the action he must carry out and feeling horror and loathing at it. But he had no choice…

If Severus could have hand-picked his successor as Hogwarts Headmaster, who would he have picked and what is the reason he would have pick this person?
This is a good thought provoking question…I wonder…Oh…erm…I certainly don’t imagine him picking Harry or…well not any of the trio for that matter. I doubt Draco would be that welcome at Hogwarts so I can’t see him choosing his favourite house member either. I think Snape would, if he could, just pick a teacher such as Professor McGonagall because she was deputy to Dumbledore and perhaps learned a lot from him. I don’t really think that Severus would be that bothered to be honest…as long as I wans't Potter of course

I’ll answer more questions soon.

Gah! I feel terrible for being gone so long!!! I'm sorry my fellow S.O.S.S. members
So to make up for it I will answer a few questions...

How would Severus' life have been different if his father was a wizard? How would it have been the same?
Honestly, I think things may have been worse. Just because he would have been a wizard doesn't mean he wouldn't have been such a mean drunk all the time. I think that had he had magic on his side our beloved Sev and his mother wouldn't have lived as long as they did. Who knows what Tobias would have been capable of with magic. *Shudders*

What do you think Snape's favourite muggle book and movie would've been?
Hmm... well I believe that he wouldn't have been that picky about the muggle books but he might have favored a few books such as, Pride and Predujice, or Sense and Sensibility. Books that spoke both logic and story. Movies might have been one of those muggle things that actually amused him, seeing what they had invented to pass time and all that.

We all know that for an Unforgivable Curse to work, the caster must really mean it. What do you believe Severus was thinking and feeling when he hurled the Avada Kedavra at Dumbledore?
I partially agree with Sabrina Rose, he may have brought forth hate for the task that he had to carry out. But I also think that in order for the curse to work he made himself feel hate for Dumbledore, hating him for having to continue to be a spy, to have to protect Harry, things of that sort. However, one last thought, what if he envisionsed Voldemort instead of Dumbledore, that would have made it all to easy wouldn't it?

Why was the Advanced Potions Making book, which belonged to Severus, still in the Potions cupboard? If it was Snape's and he had invented and perfected all sorts of spells and potions, why didn't he move it to his new office when Slughorn became the new potions professor?
I think he didn't move it because he knew all that it contained, and he felt that in order to truly do it justice it needed to be left where one who was worthy of it would find it and learn as he did. Maybe for once, he chose to not be selfish towards the outside world and give someone (unknown even to him at the time) a chance to prove themselves. Then again the answer could be as simple as he simply forgot about it.

Hope that makes it up some.
Aly

I've just chosen July's Devotee of the month and I must admit that it was a difficult task. There were so many terrific posts this month, but one member in particular stood out.

Please help me in congratulating nevillesgirl, July’s SOSS Devotee of the Month! Amanda has been very active in this month’s discussions and there were two posts in particular that assured her July's title.



She also added this very thought provoking question, which got us all chatting:




Well, I think it's safe to assume that all our members have seen the HBP movie and have probably left their reviews in the "What's Your Verdict" thread. So, how about a HBP question discussing only Severus?

What Severus scene(s) from HBP did you enjoy the most and why? Which Severus scene(s) that was omitted did you miss the most and why?

I also wanted to remind everyone of this question, asked by annesches last week: What can you say about the scenes which include Snape, especially at the top of the lightning struck tower and the flight afterwards?

Finally, a big thanks to annesches, mugglelovrspew and Sabrina_Rose_Snape for their congratulations and well wishes!

Lisa

Congrats, Amanda!

What Severus scene(s) from HBP did you enjoy the most and why? Which Severus scene(s) that was omitted did you miss the most and why?

For some reason or another, I really enjoyed the scene where Severus was healing Draco's Sectumsempra wounds. It was sort of... touching, in a way. Also, I felt the Unbreakable Vow part to be very convincing and accurate. You couldn't really be sure which side Sev was on.
I was quite disappointed in the lack of Snape-as-DADA-teacher. In the previous films, it was always prominent that he really wanted the job, so when he was given it, shouldn't it make sense to elaborate on that more?

The Snape/Harry chase scene disappointed me greatly. It was either poor acting or poor writing. I like to think it was the latter, of course

Hi there. I think ill grab a nice chair in this here thread and cop a squat.

What can you say about the scenes which include Snape, especially at the top of the lightning struck tower and the flight afterwards?

Ill answer this one since everyone kindly answered the others.
I felt that they kind of nerfed his scenes a bit especially near the end. I dont think it was Alan Rickman's fault. I thought it was important to include that particular scene where Snape tells Harry "DO NOT CALL ME A COWARD!" and yet it wasnt there.
I really didnt find much to complain about until that part. One thing i enjoyed is Alan Rickman put in emotion in that scene with Dumbledore. You can definitely see it his face how Snape would really look while doing the deed. That was awesome.

Seriously, this was totally unexpected. I just had fun being able to post without trying to manage the thread and I must say, I forgot how fun this was. Thank you Lisa for this great honor and I will proudly display my avatar in my siggy.

In regards to the questions, I wan to address this one in particular.

What can you say about the scenes which include Snape, especially at the top of the lightning struck tower and the flight afterwards?

First let me say that there was not enough Snape in the movie and considering he was the Half Blood Prince, I think he needed a feature role.

The lightning struck tower was very disappointing to me. I was expecting more emotion from Alan Rickman. I wanted to see the struggle depicted in the book, the revulsion and hatred on his face. I wanted him to burst through the door and instead we got some lame take on secrecy as he snuck up behind Harry and "shooshed" him.

You know what part I really loved though although the complete scene to me was incomplete, was the Sectumsempra scene. I actually closed my eyes while he muttered the counter curse. That part was done as I imagined Rickman able to do it. Now, I wish he would have really shown his loathing for Harry at that moment instead of looking surprised.

What Severus scene(s) from HBP did you enjoy the most and why? Which Severus scene(s) that was omitted did you miss the most and why?

This might sound weird, but the scene at Slughorn's christmas party when Cormac threw up on Severus's shoes was probably my favourite scene. At first, I laughed just because of what happened, but it was his face that really got me going. It was a mix between loathing and "oh my god". My second favourite scene was the sectumsempra scene. Alan Rickman did an amazing job

I wish they had put in the DADA scenes. I really wanted to hear Harry say "You don't have to call me 'sir'" (not actual quote!). I laughed so much at that one quote, and was very mad that they totally cut all that out

What can you say about the scenes which include Snape, especially at the top of the lightning struck tower and the flight afterwards?

I do have to agree with Amanda in the respect that there wasn't nearly enough of Snape in the movie but at the same time I felt that particular scene did him more justice then I had been hoping, Harry was completely unsuspecting of what was about to occur and it almost seemed as thought an apology was written on Alan's face. I would have also loved to see the seen that Florina mentioned thought because it would have shed more light on the true hate and anger that boiled within both Harry and Severus.


Also much Congrats Amanda!!!

Aly

Mwhaha, I'm back My internet was out, sadly. Congratualtions Amanda! I really did love reading your posts this month. They really made me think more and put more thought into my answers about Severus, and I'm glad to have you around.

We all know that for an unforgivable curse to work, the caster must really mean it. What do you believe Severus was thinking and feeling when he hurled the Avada Kedavra at Dumbledore?

I believe I answered this, but I have more input. Some of you said that he had hatred for the deed he was about to embark, which I believe I could be true. But ever since the scene with Snape on the Astronomy Tower right before Harry and Dumbeldore set out to collect the horcrux, where he says something along the lines of, "What if I don't want to do it anymore?" (didn't he? Or am I just imagining things?)... I really have a feeling now. What if Snape was tired of being good; what if, in the end, he really did want to give up? I know, rethinking about it, that there's evidence that supports he was, but what if he ever had those fleating moments, rereading the book and then watching the movie... that's just a thought.

What Severus scene(s) from HBP did you enjoy the most and why? Which Severus scene(s) that was omitted did you miss the most and why?

I agree: Severus was the Half-Blood Prince and finally got his job that he wanted. It was like the director just went, "Oh. They know he got the DADA job now. He's good, we don't need anything more." Are you serious?! Haha.



I know! I was laughing sooo hard, haha. It was amazing.

What can you say about the scenes which include Snape, especially at the top of the lightning struck tower and the flight afterwards?

I think it was too weak. It was too quick as well. It seemed like Alan Rickman just went, "Oh. I gotta kill Dumbeldore. Avada Kedavra. Now, I have to run away and tell Harry not to call me a coward." That was all it was to me, weak and way OOC. *Sigh* I want to direct it and see the movie again, hehe.

Welcome, Florina Snape! We love having new members. I hope you'll enjoy our discussions and have fun!

What Severus scene(s) from HBP did you enjoy the most and why? Which Severus scene(s) that was omitted did you miss the most and why?

The scene I enjoyed the most was when Severus and Minerva are looking at the cursed opal necklace and Harry blurts out that it was Malfoy who gave the necklace to Katie. McGonagall asks him how he knows and he replies that he just knows. Then Severus says, "You...Just........Know." There is no one who can work a pause better than Alan Rickman. It was one of the few parts in the movie where I felt like I was seeing the Snape that I knew from the books, even thought that specific dialog was never in the books!

The scenes that I sorely missed were: Severus coming to let Harry into Hogwarts when he arrived late due to Draco paralyzing him. I wanted to see the anomosity they have for each other etched on their faces. I also wanted to see Snape teaching DADA, especially the class when Harry says, "There's no need for you to call me Sir, Professor." Oh, to see Severus' face when Harry blurted that out! (we're of the same mind, xxkrakenslayerxx) Finally, the sectum sempra scene, while it was in the movie, was missing the part when Snape forces Harry to get his potions book. That was part of the build up of finding out that Sev was the Half Blood Prince!

I also missed "the real" astronomy tower scene, but that's another discussion question, so I'll save my comments until I answer that one.

Lisa

The scene I enjoyed the most was when Severus and Minerva are looking at the cursed opal necklace and Harry blurts out that it was Malfoy who gave the necklace to Katie. McGonagall asks him how he knows and he replies that he just knows. Then Severus says, "You...Just........Know." There is no one who can work a pause better than Alan Rickman. It was one of the few parts in the movie where I felt like I was seeing the Snape that I knew from the books, even thought that specific dialog was never in the books!

I totally agree with you lisasnape! There were so few scenes with Snape in it that I had forgotten when he actually had screen time I also agree that Alan Rickman is the only one who can work a pause. He has always been good at playing the bad guy in movies, which is why I think he's the perfect person to play Snape. Not only that, but it's just the sound of his voice. It's very...deep, and...mysterious. Sort of like how bad guys usually sound, which works perfectly with Snape

Hey guys, there is the possibility of deleted scenes in the dvd version. Maybe we will see a DADA scene that wasnt put in the movie. I can only hope so.

I hope so! I'll have to pressure my mom into getting the 2 disk dvd insetad of just the one. Even if the DADA classes aren't in there, it would still be pretty cool to see the rest of them (:

xxkrakenslayerxx, silky, seductive and a bit dangerous is how I like to think of Alan Rickman's Voice. I think it's one of the many reasons that Alan makes a great Severus Snape!

Oh, Florina Snape, I hope that you are right! Is it just speculation or did you get that information online? Do you have a link? I would love to post it in here.

Lisa

I swear.. only we Severus lovers make him seem seductive, haha. But Alan Rickman has always portrayed a very loveable, believable, and relistic Snape to me.

And Florina, I now am sooo excited that I can hardly wait for the movie to come out. By the way, does anyone know when it's coming out? For sure?

What Severus scene(s) from HBP did you enjoy the most and why? Which Severus scene(s) that was omitted did you miss the most and why?

Just following a general trend here (sorry), I sorely missed the DADA scenes in the film. They would have been a lot of fun. And, it's just a tiny scene, but when Harry brings Ron's copy of Advanced Potion Making to Snape was a bit that I found hilarious in the books ('Roonil Wazlib' ).

The scenes that I most enjoyed... Is it cheating to say all of them? Well, for a start, when he passes Dumbledore's message to Harry at the Christmas party, and then also the sene after that when he talks to Malfoy in the corridor. The first because it was so funny, and the second because he sounded so dangerous and angry that it had me eagerly anticipating the rest of the film. The fight between him and Harry outside Hagrid's hut is definitely near the top of my list as well, because it was so well done. It really showed how... pathetic Harry is compared with Snape.

I hope everyone enjoyed the film as much as I did. I've never liked the films that much and I didn't think they did justice to the books, but the sixth one was just... something else. Sure there were bits they left out and got wrong and stuff, but it was so fantastic that I didn't care. I saw it the first day it came out, and then again the next day, and I'm seeing it again asap!

Ellie
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I'm just going to answer a couple more the questions I missed ...

What do you think Severus would do if Draco hadn't brought the death eaters to the castle on the night when Harry and Dumbledore came back from the cave, and it was Harry that is asking him to help Dumbledore? What would be his reactions and what would he do eventually?
If Draco did not bring the other Death Eaters in then there would be no Bella telling Draco to carrying out the deed. Draco would not kill Dumbledore so Snape, with the weight of his promise to Dumbledore and the Unbreakable Vow upon him, could only really ever do one thing. One action. And that was to kill Dumbledore. If Harry had indeed asked Snape for help for Dumbledore then Snape would of, I think, agreed to go with Harry to Dumbledore but still kill him. He may have been harder to carry out the curse knowing that he was tricking, once again, his love’s (Lily’s) son. But hey, he never liked him anyway.

Why was the Advanced Potions Making book, which belonged to Severus, still in the Potions cupboard? If it was Snapes and he had invented and perfected all sorts of spells and potions, why didn't he move it to his new office when Slughorn became the new potions professor?
I think Snape did not move his book to his new office when Slughorn became the new potions professor because I didn’t believe the book to be his possession when he became Defence Against the Dark Arts teacher. What I mean by this is that, given the age of the book and its whereabouts I think the book was in fact left in there from when Snape left school - he merely forgot about it perhaps thinking it was somewhere else like at home lost in a huge pile of books. Or maybe he purposely left it there after school as I rendered it useless now since he had acquired and remembered all the knowledge from it. Maybe he left it there as prove of his genius…

That’s all I got for now.