The new pope, Pope Benedict XVI, was elected today. What are your thoughts on him? Do you think he will live up to Pope John Paul II (R.I.P)?
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| QUOTE ( BBC News (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4445279.stm) @ 19 April 7:30pm) |
| He has described homosexuality as a "tendency" towards an "intrinsic moral evil". During the US election campaign, he called for pro-choice politicians to be denied Communion. |
His views on homosexuality?
So your thoughts? I am just interested to know.
I was thinking of starting a thread on this- you beat me to it!
Frankly im very dissapointed that the catholic church has AGAIN failed to listen at all, and seems to be ignoring its problems while humming loudly like schoolchildren. They have chosen a polarising figure in a time when more and more people are leaving the church.
I have liberal views on homosexuality, priests marrying, women priests- basically i disagree with most of the faith.
I wrote an article for my school magazine on homosexuality and the church (PM me if you wanna read it, its FANTASTIC
) and this is just what the church didnt need.
They have mistaken the outpouring of grief about john paul 2. I mourned the loss of a great man, but i didnt agree with most of his teachings. They seem to think that becuase so many people watched the funeral etc, everythings peachy dandy, which it isnt.
I couldnt be more angry right now, the church are in serious denial, i only hope that Ratzinger (ahem, benedict), will go back to his previous ways ( no NOT when he was in hitler youth, when he was liberal..i know, hard to believe..
I have so much more to say on this topic..
*goes off seething to clam down..
Frankly im very dissapointed that the catholic church has AGAIN failed to listen at all, and seems to be ignoring its problems while humming loudly like schoolchildren. They have chosen a polarising figure in a time when more and more people are leaving the church.
I have liberal views on homosexuality, priests marrying, women priests- basically i disagree with most of the faith.
I wrote an article for my school magazine on homosexuality and the church (PM me if you wanna read it, its FANTASTIC
) and this is just what the church didnt need.They have mistaken the outpouring of grief about john paul 2. I mourned the loss of a great man, but i didnt agree with most of his teachings. They seem to think that becuase so many people watched the funeral etc, everythings peachy dandy, which it isnt.
I couldnt be more angry right now, the church are in serious denial, i only hope that Ratzinger (ahem, benedict), will go back to his previous ways ( no NOT when he was in hitler youth, when he was liberal..i know, hard to believe..
I have so much more to say on this topic..
*goes off seething to clam down..
I really Know very little about Pope Benedict XVI, apart from what i've heard today, but I suppose he's just echoing the Catholic churches view on Homosexuality, which is one of the many reasons why I no longer call myself a catholic.
Religion (in general) in no were near as influential as it was even only 30 years ago in the rich 'north' for a wealth of differnet reasons, but it is still very influential in the materially poorer countries in the 'south.'
I personally feel this has alot to do with the sense of hopelessness and inescapable absolute poverty which is rife. In Ireland before the famine, the country was never overtly Catholic. Then the famine all hope was gone and one of the only remaining crutches for many people, and so in many respects people felt like they were being punished for not being loyal enough to the church. thus Post famine Ireland emerges as a very Catholic country, and it will be 100 years until this really in any substantial way.
In a way I think the same thing is happening with religion and the poorer countries today; hopelessness leads to over dependence on religion. Again I don't particularly think this is primarily the fault of of the Catholic Church, but the people who are the cause of their suffering, which IMHO boils down to Trans national corperations and the demands of consumerism from the west, in many ways people in 'third world countries' exist to serve us in the west and the high demand of our throw away society.
The Catholic Church and the new pope are entitled to their beliefs (but i would personally question weather some of them prepetulate hatred of certain sections of the comunity, namely based on their sexuality). But I feel as if we are indirectly forcing these beliefs on our most vunrable citzens on this planet.
Finally while the legacy of gay hatred could be argued is linked to the view many religions take on it, as I stated above I don't think it's in any way the primary root cause, the new pope having such views can't help the situation too much. Personally I think it is intrinsically linked to the devalueisation of women in comparison to men, gay men are often protrayed as feminate, this in many respects was viewed as a rejection of the idea that men and masculinity is superior to women and femininity.
This kinda brings me back topic with the whole ordaining women priests, one could argue that this is simply another means by which the church can perpetuate these different power roles. Pope Benedict XVI is probably likely to choose to keep things the way they are in the Catholic church, one could argue that this would just be a means of keeping male superiority within the church. and as I've tried to argue through out this post this has to be seen in the wider context, we still live in a world which is dominated primarily by men and the 'masculine' value of ruthless competition, this goes through all strata's of life; the economy, politics, sports and the private sphere.
As you can see I've a bit of a cynical about religion, but I'm not particularly hopeful that Pope Benedict XVI, will be of benifit to the the majority of Catholics who are in the 'third world,' and this is probably not so much his fault but the fact that we live in a world were societies exist in a hierarchy. In the rich north, i don't think he'l have too much influence as organised religion is generally speaking on the decline, and so it follows that Pope Benedict XVI will, regardless of his views on sexuality have too much of a detrimental effect. that being said though, while i don't think its so much the church's fault that people who are not 'straight' are pushed to the fringes of society in virtually every country through out the world, the Pope Benedict XVI is echoing the greater predjudices in society as a whole, which i find a quite disturbing reflection on our society, nevermind all the poverty which still remans in the world which we seem incapable of doing anything about.
Sorry to go off on a tangent there in many differnt directions, but this thread kind of encompasses a good few of my favourite debates.
Religion (in general) in no were near as influential as it was even only 30 years ago in the rich 'north' for a wealth of differnet reasons, but it is still very influential in the materially poorer countries in the 'south.'
I personally feel this has alot to do with the sense of hopelessness and inescapable absolute poverty which is rife. In Ireland before the famine, the country was never overtly Catholic. Then the famine all hope was gone and one of the only remaining crutches for many people, and so in many respects people felt like they were being punished for not being loyal enough to the church. thus Post famine Ireland emerges as a very Catholic country, and it will be 100 years until this really in any substantial way.
In a way I think the same thing is happening with religion and the poorer countries today; hopelessness leads to over dependence on religion. Again I don't particularly think this is primarily the fault of of the Catholic Church, but the people who are the cause of their suffering, which IMHO boils down to Trans national corperations and the demands of consumerism from the west, in many ways people in 'third world countries' exist to serve us in the west and the high demand of our throw away society.
The Catholic Church and the new pope are entitled to their beliefs (but i would personally question weather some of them prepetulate hatred of certain sections of the comunity, namely based on their sexuality). But I feel as if we are indirectly forcing these beliefs on our most vunrable citzens on this planet.
Finally while the legacy of gay hatred could be argued is linked to the view many religions take on it, as I stated above I don't think it's in any way the primary root cause, the new pope having such views can't help the situation too much. Personally I think it is intrinsically linked to the devalueisation of women in comparison to men, gay men are often protrayed as feminate, this in many respects was viewed as a rejection of the idea that men and masculinity is superior to women and femininity.
This kinda brings me back topic with the whole ordaining women priests, one could argue that this is simply another means by which the church can perpetuate these different power roles. Pope Benedict XVI is probably likely to choose to keep things the way they are in the Catholic church, one could argue that this would just be a means of keeping male superiority within the church. and as I've tried to argue through out this post this has to be seen in the wider context, we still live in a world which is dominated primarily by men and the 'masculine' value of ruthless competition, this goes through all strata's of life; the economy, politics, sports and the private sphere.
As you can see I've a bit of a cynical about religion, but I'm not particularly hopeful that Pope Benedict XVI, will be of benifit to the the majority of Catholics who are in the 'third world,' and this is probably not so much his fault but the fact that we live in a world were societies exist in a hierarchy. In the rich north, i don't think he'l have too much influence as organised religion is generally speaking on the decline, and so it follows that Pope Benedict XVI will, regardless of his views on sexuality have too much of a detrimental effect. that being said though, while i don't think its so much the church's fault that people who are not 'straight' are pushed to the fringes of society in virtually every country through out the world, the Pope Benedict XVI is echoing the greater predjudices in society as a whole, which i find a quite disturbing reflection on our society, nevermind all the poverty which still remans in the world which we seem incapable of doing anything about.
Sorry to go off on a tangent there in many differnt directions, but this thread kind of encompasses a good few of my favourite debates.
I could have cried, actually. After coming so far in the last few years, we now have a guy with views from the Dark Ages who, unfortunately, is going to influence an awful lot of extremely impressionable people. And an ex-Nazi at that. Great stuff...the head of the Catholic Church, an ex-Nazi. What a role model, eh? Yes, I know that a lot of young German boys were forced into the Hitler Youth when they were kids, but that still doesn't change the fact that he laid anti-tank defences - he helped the Nazis, and that's all I need to know about him. And we all know what the Nazis did to homosexuals - doesn't look as though he's changed his views in almost 60 years, does it? Hitler would be proud.
I have one thing only to say - rock music, women and homosexuals have never caused wars. Only one thing kills more people on this planet than anything else - wars/terrorist acts stemming from religion.
This guy embodies all the reasons why I'm not religious. To me, it seems that all religion does is look down on other people, judges them, makes them feel bad about being what they are when there are scientific, biological reasons why they are homosexuals, frightens them into thinking they're going to hell if they don't listen to a bunch of narrow-minded bigots like this guy who have no right to be judging anyone anyway, breeds intolerance, racial hatred and, evidently now, is trying to say that a woman's place is in the kitchen, which is essentially what he's saying amounts to. Perhaps he would like to start using the brank and whip on adulterers and women who get pregnant out of wedlock too. I expect he'll start advocating stoning for women who have abortions too before long. I just can't believe it.
If anything, I think this guy is likely to do far more harm than good.
Apparently, the new nickname for this guy is 'God's Rottweiler', according to the news this morning. Apt, don't you think?
I have one thing only to say - rock music, women and homosexuals have never caused wars. Only one thing kills more people on this planet than anything else - wars/terrorist acts stemming from religion.
This guy embodies all the reasons why I'm not religious. To me, it seems that all religion does is look down on other people, judges them, makes them feel bad about being what they are when there are scientific, biological reasons why they are homosexuals, frightens them into thinking they're going to hell if they don't listen to a bunch of narrow-minded bigots like this guy who have no right to be judging anyone anyway, breeds intolerance, racial hatred and, evidently now, is trying to say that a woman's place is in the kitchen, which is essentially what he's saying amounts to. Perhaps he would like to start using the brank and whip on adulterers and women who get pregnant out of wedlock too. I expect he'll start advocating stoning for women who have abortions too before long. I just can't believe it.
If anything, I think this guy is likely to do far more harm than good.
Apparently, the new nickname for this guy is 'God's Rottweiler', according to the news this morning. Apt, don't you think?
Benedict XVI, well what can I say?
To be honest I thought that the Catholic Church might actually move forward with the times, but alas, again has failed. Why I ask put in a 78 year old priest?
Who is to say that he is going to even live as long as Pope John Paul II?
The first thing on the radio here when I switched it on this morning was a Pope joke (announcer: "Lets just get it over and done with and call him eggs, it'll be easier to remember). It's becoming rapidly obvious that the church and the papacy is losing respect at an alarming rate.
To be honest I thought that the Catholic Church might actually move forward with the times, but alas, again has failed. Why I ask put in a 78 year old priest?
Who is to say that he is going to even live as long as Pope John Paul II?
The first thing on the radio here when I switched it on this morning was a Pope joke (announcer: "Lets just get it over and done with and call him eggs, it'll be easier to remember). It's becoming rapidly obvious that the church and the papacy is losing respect at an alarming rate.
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| I have one thing only to say - rock music, women and homosexuals have never caused wars. Only one thing kills more people on this planet than anything else - wars/terrorist acts stemming from religion. |
I fully agree on this statement and have argued it a number of times.
It confuses me as to why there is a homophobic pope. As I was told by a Catholic priest, you are allowed to be homosexual, just not a practicing one.
Why accept homosexuality (to a minor extent) and then do a complete 180 degree flip.
Are we really still living in the dark ages?
I am atheist and I don't support the religion at all, but..
homosexuality will lead us to much more awful and dangerous thing than war, it will lead to immoral decomposition of our civilization.
i think there must be something like jail for homosexuals, those who propogandize it MUST be convinced and get capital punishment. I don't think that aborts and divorces must be forbidden. Not at all. But all who support homosexualism are as dangerouse as the very homos.
I disagree with Benedict in such issue as multiculturalism. He tries to forbid it. he's wrong here.
homosexuality will lead us to much more awful and dangerous thing than war, it will lead to immoral decomposition of our civilization.
i think there must be something like jail for homosexuals, those who propogandize it MUST be convinced and get capital punishment. I don't think that aborts and divorces must be forbidden. Not at all. But all who support homosexualism are as dangerouse as the very homos.
I disagree with Benedict in such issue as multiculturalism. He tries to forbid it. he's wrong here.
Stardragon, I don't know if your just looking for a rise, but how could you believe that somthing which stems from a persons sexuality can be worse than wars?
Over 90% of people who have died in Iraq have been innocent civilians, how can this not be worse than two people who love each other, or even not as the case may be, fancying each other, regardless of thier sexuality?
What is it that you think gay people are going to do to you and your civilisation?
I completely agree with louise, women, rock music and gay people, including the civil rights movement in the 60's have never caused any wars. It's greed, thurst for power and discrimination which is the precursor to wars, sadly for what ever reason most of stem from groups either exclusively containing or dominated by men, one of the reasons why i believe women often make vastly superior politicians.
Thankfully most of the world is moving slowly towards acceptance of people and some countries, the only one I can think of at the moment is south Africa, have legistlation to prevent employers discriminatining against a person because of thier sexuality.
This isn't happening far quickly enough for my liking, but it's a start. while Pope Benedict XVI's comment on homosexuality are not particularly welcome, i still don't think they'll have too much bearing on our move towards a more egalitarian society, at least in terms of sexuality.
Religion is undisputedily on the decline in the but one of the other things Pope Benedict XVI said, which i just heard today kind of sums up why this is the case. I can't remember the exact quote, but it had to do with the evils of relativeism, which basically means that for Pope Benedict XVI there can only be objective or absolute truths, there is no compromise for a persons situation or what a particular action means for that person. What I took from this was that the catholic church is not going to compromise an inch on any of the issues facing them, women priests, the use of condoms to prevent the spread of AIDs or indeed sexuality. The Catholic Church is right and thats all that matters. as I said above this has very little repercussions for anyone living in the west, but religion is often very important for those in the 'third world' and I think the people who live in the 'third world' desierve more options than religion can offer.
IMHO objective truths went out the window with the french revolution.
bring on a new pluralist world.
Over 90% of people who have died in Iraq have been innocent civilians, how can this not be worse than two people who love each other, or even not as the case may be, fancying each other, regardless of thier sexuality?
What is it that you think gay people are going to do to you and your civilisation?
I completely agree with louise, women, rock music and gay people, including the civil rights movement in the 60's have never caused any wars. It's greed, thurst for power and discrimination which is the precursor to wars, sadly for what ever reason most of stem from groups either exclusively containing or dominated by men, one of the reasons why i believe women often make vastly superior politicians.
Thankfully most of the world is moving slowly towards acceptance of people and some countries, the only one I can think of at the moment is south Africa, have legistlation to prevent employers discriminatining against a person because of thier sexuality.
This isn't happening far quickly enough for my liking, but it's a start. while Pope Benedict XVI's comment on homosexuality are not particularly welcome, i still don't think they'll have too much bearing on our move towards a more egalitarian society, at least in terms of sexuality.
Religion is undisputedily on the decline in the but one of the other things Pope Benedict XVI said, which i just heard today kind of sums up why this is the case. I can't remember the exact quote, but it had to do with the evils of relativeism, which basically means that for Pope Benedict XVI there can only be objective or absolute truths, there is no compromise for a persons situation or what a particular action means for that person. What I took from this was that the catholic church is not going to compromise an inch on any of the issues facing them, women priests, the use of condoms to prevent the spread of AIDs or indeed sexuality. The Catholic Church is right and thats all that matters. as I said above this has very little repercussions for anyone living in the west, but religion is often very important for those in the 'third world' and I think the people who live in the 'third world' desierve more options than religion can offer.
IMHO objective truths went out the window with the french revolution.
bring on a new pluralist world.
| QUOTE (Stardragon @ Apr 20 2005, 02:17 PM) |
| I am atheist and I don't support the religion at all, but.. homosexuality will lead us to much more awful and dangerous thing than war, it will lead to immoral decomposition of our civilization. i think there must be something like jail for homosexuals, those who propogandize it MUST be convinced and get capital punishment. I don't think that aborts and divorces must be forbidden. Not at all. But all who support homosexualism are as dangerouse as the very homos. I disagree with Benedict in such issue as multiculturalism. He tries to forbid it. he's wrong here. |
I don't think I can possibly comment on this very trollish and complete load of hogwash statement without breaking quite a few rules on this forum, so I shall refrain from commenting. I really like it here and I'd hate to get kicked off by my fellow mods so in the interests of retaining my moderator position I'll keep my rather expletive-filled comments to myself.
Capital punishment for loving another person....dear god....
Stop the earth...I think I'd like to get off now.
| QUOTE (Dana_Scully @ Apr 20 2005, 07:38 PM) |
| Capital punishment for loving another person....dear god.... Stop the earth...I think I'd like to get off now. |
I completely agree. I am opposed to capital punishment any way, but...dear god...I like these forums...and I do not want to be kicked off...that speaks for it's self.
But I am pleased the amount of comment - I agree with all of it. This is why I am not religous - the wars. Think about the Crusades - they where started because one country thought another should believe the same as they.
The thing that annoyes me most about the Catholic Church is that even with the AIDs epidemic in S.A (South Africa - my best friend is from there, so I am used to calling it S.A) the Catholic Church still said 'Do not use contraception.' That has to be one of the most stupidest thing to say ever.
i absolutely have no idea why they chose such an old pope. in another 5 year he will be gone noing the worlds luck today. for me personally i dont think he will go in the steps of john paul because he doesnt look very well to start with and john pauls been pope for how long was about 20 years if i get my dates right anyway hes 75 isnt he and why pick a pope that is going to die very soon they should have picked someone who was 50 or something not 70 so i dont know what they are playing at.
sorry if i have affended anybody because i dont mean to
sorry if i have affended anybody because i dont mean to
Well, to address the last post, it is my belief that the Cardinals chose an elder pope, because he is something of a transitional pope. Thusly, everyone knows that he is just there to transfer the Papacy onto someone else like John Paul II. They could not have chosen a younger pope in fear that he may live too long and change the views of the Papacy (which I shall also address soon), thusly undermining the principles of the past Popes. That being said, an elderly pope was the only remaining alternative, so that way the Church can "buy" time to sort out its more pressing issues.
That being said, to me, I do not support homosexuality nor am I completely a religios zealot who hates all gays and lesbians. I, however, believe in the separation of the church and ecclesiastical matters and the matters of the home, such as sexual preferences, etc.
Also, I am dismayed to see how fast the U.S. media latches on to a story and then leeches it for maximum potential. In exclusion to the death of John Paul II, the media, in essence, milks every penny from a single event. Also, the media, which everyone knows is highly biased and has tremendous faults for trying to be "politically" correct, has also downplayed other roles of the Papacy. In conclusion, I say we see how Pope Benedict XVI will be like, and then we can thusly make more sure assumptions.
That being said, to me, I do not support homosexuality nor am I completely a religios zealot who hates all gays and lesbians. I, however, believe in the separation of the church and ecclesiastical matters and the matters of the home, such as sexual preferences, etc.
Also, I am dismayed to see how fast the U.S. media latches on to a story and then leeches it for maximum potential. In exclusion to the death of John Paul II, the media, in essence, milks every penny from a single event. Also, the media, which everyone knows is highly biased and has tremendous faults for trying to be "politically" correct, has also downplayed other roles of the Papacy. In conclusion, I say we see how Pope Benedict XVI will be like, and then we can thusly make more sure assumptions.
i absolutely have no idea why they chose such an old pope. in another 5 year he will be gone noing the worlds luck today. for me personally i dont think he will go in the steps of john paul because he doesnt look very well to start with and john pauls been pope for how long was about 20 years if i get my dates right anyway hes 75 isnt he and why pick a pope that is going to die very soon they should have picked someone who was 50 or something not 70 so i dont know what they are playing at.
New Pope is 78 years old, he's from Germany and is conservative. I don't see anything strange in it. There is tradition that say that after long papacy should be short papacy. 26-year papacy of John Paul II was long, now it should be short. Nothing difficult. Of course, Benedict isn't that ggod, ambitious and peaceful as John paul was, and he'll be the Pope not for a long time (keeping in mind his age).
I don't think I can possibly comment on this very trollish and complete load of hogwash statement without breaking quite a few rules on this forum, so I shall refrain from commenting.
Dear Moderator, I never thought that expressing opposite view is something like breaking the rules of this forum. The intelligent person can express oneself clearly without breaking any law, rules and so on. As Roosvelt said: "The first our freedom is the freedom of expression and speech...." I'd like you all to respect these Roosvelt's words. Oh, I forgot it's a British forum, though!
The most of you are British, i suppose. That's why you don't worry about homosexualism that much. It's really, really serious problems. It's threating our civilization. It's not just two people loving each other - it's two men loving each other (or women, no matter). Moreover, modern music, television and other mass media support it as if it's really right and exstremely good or important. To forbid it all is just our first task. Then - laws. Very severe, trying to make someone homosexual (don't say, that you don't know about it) MUST be equal to murder. I.e. capuital panishment or, at least, 50 years in jail.
About Iraqi war. I don't have anything against it. And don't say that those civilians who died there don't deserve it. Of course not all, but many of them were just terrorists, or hid them etc. The deaths of civilians are the part of war. it cannot be without it. We don't fight in the space, vacuum. America must continue the war in Middle East. Who is not for us, is against us. We acn fight against the rest of world, and win it. So remember about it.
New Pope is 78 years old, he's from Germany and is conservative. I don't see anything strange in it. There is tradition that say that after long papacy should be short papacy. 26-year papacy of John Paul II was long, now it should be short. Nothing difficult. Of course, Benedict isn't that ggod, ambitious and peaceful as John paul was, and he'll be the Pope not for a long time (keeping in mind his age).
I don't think I can possibly comment on this very trollish and complete load of hogwash statement without breaking quite a few rules on this forum, so I shall refrain from commenting.
Dear Moderator, I never thought that expressing opposite view is something like breaking the rules of this forum. The intelligent person can express oneself clearly without breaking any law, rules and so on. As Roosvelt said: "The first our freedom is the freedom of expression and speech...." I'd like you all to respect these Roosvelt's words. Oh, I forgot it's a British forum, though!
The most of you are British, i suppose. That's why you don't worry about homosexualism that much. It's really, really serious problems. It's threating our civilization. It's not just two people loving each other - it's two men loving each other (or women, no matter). Moreover, modern music, television and other mass media support it as if it's really right and exstremely good or important. To forbid it all is just our first task. Then - laws. Very severe, trying to make someone homosexual (don't say, that you don't know about it) MUST be equal to murder. I.e. capuital panishment or, at least, 50 years in jail.
About Iraqi war. I don't have anything against it. And don't say that those civilians who died there don't deserve it. Of course not all, but many of them were just terrorists, or hid them etc. The deaths of civilians are the part of war. it cannot be without it. We don't fight in the space, vacuum. America must continue the war in Middle East. Who is not for us, is against us. We acn fight against the rest of world, and win it. So remember about it.
Okay then, let me try and reply to some of this without breaking rules of the forum, lest some people here think I'm incapable of expressing myself without resorting to expletives - even though that's really what I feel like using. I'm not speaking as a moderator now, BTW, so if anyone thinks I'm out of line, feel free to go complain to one of the other mods about it.
Stardragon - your opinions are bigoted, uninformed and extremely inflammatory. You have no right to judge what you think is right or wrong - neither do I, neither does anyone else, including the church.
I refuse to follow a set of beliefs that are based on subjective opinions formed from a book that wasn't even written at the time of the events it purports to explain. Moreover, it is so filled with inconsistancies and contradictions that I find it nothing short of staggering that people actually believe in some of the things in there. 'I am a jealous God'...what is he jealous of exactly? Isn't envy and jealousy a sin? And yet God says he's jealous. If he is the one and only Supreme Being, then what's he jealous of? Jesus was angry with the traders in the temple and resorted to violence to throw them out - another sin. But that's okay, because it's 'righteous anger'. Okay then, so if someone breaks my wing mirror on my car, then I'm perfectly entitled to beat seven shades of...stuff...out of them, because it's 'righteous anger', is that right? Eye for an eye and all that....ooh, but wait...aren't we supposed to 'turn the other cheek'? Because I'm just a little confused there. Those are just two examples. I could give many others, but I don't want to turn this into a religious debate - there is another thread for that.
My point is that people and the church base their beliefs on a book that is about as reliable and open to interpretation as an article in the National Enquirer.
Therefore, stating that homosexuals are equated with people who murder is the biggest load of uninformed, closed-minded, bigoted tripe I have ever heard in my life. Homosexuals do nothing that infringes on the rights of others. They love someone of the same sex - so what? Are they bothering anyone else? Are they stripping someone else of their life? Are they brainwashing millions of people into passing judgement on others? Are they saying that only homosexuals are right and everyone else who doesn't believe in the things they do are going to hell for it? Just what exactly is so damaging to society about two men, or women, loving each other? Ooh, no doubt, sex in the streets and walking around naked is next...or maybe they'll start sending out some kind of vibe that will infect everyone else with their 'disease'...or maybe there'll be raping and pillaging...looting of shops and businesses as society collapses under this incredible 'evil' that is affection for another human being which, of course, is a million times worse than hacking someone to death with a meatcleaver or hoarding millions of Jews into gas chambers for the sake of 'ethnic cleansing' or driving planes full of innocent people who are forced to spend their last moments on the phone to their families telling them how much they love them as the planes hit buildings which slaughter thousands of others or attacking a country just because they have resources you don't have under the pathetically contrived flag of 'peace', ignoring the fact that they haven't found so much as a flipping hand gun.
I really find it incredible to believe that people really believe the kind of things that you do about homosexuals. I really do think that you're trying to get a rise out of people, so I refuse to debate this issue any further with someone who obviously either has no clue what they're talking about or has been so irretrievably brain-washed by their church that they have ceased to be able to see logic and common sense. You don't 'make' someone homosexual, for god's sake...that's too utterly ridiculous for words. It's not an infection that you pick up - these people have genetic differences..it's in their chromosomal make-up...they can't help what they are and they certainly don't 'infect' other people with it - neither is it publicised in the kind of way that you're trying to say it is. If that's truly what you believe, if that's what you've been taught, then you really need to start thinking for yourself because it's a load of tripe. And scientifically provable tripe at that.
I fear for a world which is breeding the kind of mindless acceptance of everything the church sees fit to pass out, I really do. I find religious zealotry far more frightening than anything else. It makes me want to cry with frustration that people are actually afraid to think for themselves anymore and to question what exactly the church is teaching - am I the only one who sees these kinds of inconsistencies? How can people actually continue to believe in some of these things when there is so much evidence to the contrary? It defies logic...I just don't know what to say to people like that. It's like talking to a wall and I have exams to study for and I seriously doubt that even God (and yes, I do believe in something..I'm not sure what, but certainly not the subjective rubbish that the church spouts) could help me pass my exams if I don't do some revision, so I'm going to stop wasting my time here and go engage with the real world for a while.
Which is what I suggest you do, my friend.
And, just for the record, this is an American site - I suggest you get your facts straight before passing xenophobic comments like that.
Stardragon - your opinions are bigoted, uninformed and extremely inflammatory. You have no right to judge what you think is right or wrong - neither do I, neither does anyone else, including the church.
I refuse to follow a set of beliefs that are based on subjective opinions formed from a book that wasn't even written at the time of the events it purports to explain. Moreover, it is so filled with inconsistancies and contradictions that I find it nothing short of staggering that people actually believe in some of the things in there. 'I am a jealous God'...what is he jealous of exactly? Isn't envy and jealousy a sin? And yet God says he's jealous. If he is the one and only Supreme Being, then what's he jealous of? Jesus was angry with the traders in the temple and resorted to violence to throw them out - another sin. But that's okay, because it's 'righteous anger'. Okay then, so if someone breaks my wing mirror on my car, then I'm perfectly entitled to beat seven shades of...stuff...out of them, because it's 'righteous anger', is that right? Eye for an eye and all that....ooh, but wait...aren't we supposed to 'turn the other cheek'? Because I'm just a little confused there. Those are just two examples. I could give many others, but I don't want to turn this into a religious debate - there is another thread for that.
My point is that people and the church base their beliefs on a book that is about as reliable and open to interpretation as an article in the National Enquirer.
Therefore, stating that homosexuals are equated with people who murder is the biggest load of uninformed, closed-minded, bigoted tripe I have ever heard in my life. Homosexuals do nothing that infringes on the rights of others. They love someone of the same sex - so what? Are they bothering anyone else? Are they stripping someone else of their life? Are they brainwashing millions of people into passing judgement on others? Are they saying that only homosexuals are right and everyone else who doesn't believe in the things they do are going to hell for it? Just what exactly is so damaging to society about two men, or women, loving each other? Ooh, no doubt, sex in the streets and walking around naked is next...or maybe they'll start sending out some kind of vibe that will infect everyone else with their 'disease'...or maybe there'll be raping and pillaging...looting of shops and businesses as society collapses under this incredible 'evil' that is affection for another human being which, of course, is a million times worse than hacking someone to death with a meatcleaver or hoarding millions of Jews into gas chambers for the sake of 'ethnic cleansing' or driving planes full of innocent people who are forced to spend their last moments on the phone to their families telling them how much they love them as the planes hit buildings which slaughter thousands of others or attacking a country just because they have resources you don't have under the pathetically contrived flag of 'peace', ignoring the fact that they haven't found so much as a flipping hand gun.
I really find it incredible to believe that people really believe the kind of things that you do about homosexuals. I really do think that you're trying to get a rise out of people, so I refuse to debate this issue any further with someone who obviously either has no clue what they're talking about or has been so irretrievably brain-washed by their church that they have ceased to be able to see logic and common sense. You don't 'make' someone homosexual, for god's sake...that's too utterly ridiculous for words. It's not an infection that you pick up - these people have genetic differences..it's in their chromosomal make-up...they can't help what they are and they certainly don't 'infect' other people with it - neither is it publicised in the kind of way that you're trying to say it is. If that's truly what you believe, if that's what you've been taught, then you really need to start thinking for yourself because it's a load of tripe. And scientifically provable tripe at that.
I fear for a world which is breeding the kind of mindless acceptance of everything the church sees fit to pass out, I really do. I find religious zealotry far more frightening than anything else. It makes me want to cry with frustration that people are actually afraid to think for themselves anymore and to question what exactly the church is teaching - am I the only one who sees these kinds of inconsistencies? How can people actually continue to believe in some of these things when there is so much evidence to the contrary? It defies logic...I just don't know what to say to people like that. It's like talking to a wall and I have exams to study for and I seriously doubt that even God (and yes, I do believe in something..I'm not sure what, but certainly not the subjective rubbish that the church spouts) could help me pass my exams if I don't do some revision, so I'm going to stop wasting my time here and go engage with the real world for a while.
Which is what I suggest you do, my friend.
And, just for the record, this is an American site - I suggest you get your facts straight before passing xenophobic comments like that.
Dear Dana Scully,
I am sure you're a beautiful young woman, and it will be tactless for me to call you with all those words you called me, but I'm also sure that you have much less knowledge about this subject than I do. It seems to me that you live in other world: great, innocent, light and fair... Everything is more complicated, dear... I'll organize my answer in several general points.
1) I refuse to follow a set of beliefs that are based on subjective opinions formed from a book that wasn't even written at the time of the events it purports to explain. Moreover, it is so filled with inconsistancies and contradictions that I find it nothing short of staggering that people actually believe in some of the things in there. 'I am a jealous God'...what is he jealous of exactly? Isn't envy and jealousy a sin? And yet God says he's jealous. If he is the one and only Supreme Being, then what's he jealous of? Jesus was angry with the traders in the temple and resorted to violence to throw them out - another sin. But that's okay, because it's 'righteous anger'.
I am NOT religious, I completely agree with you, it is exactly what I want to tell all those religious fanatics. I don't want you to think badly about me. Yeah, it's just a book, written by some Jews, and I really cannot understand why it became so popular. It's two thousand years, how can anybody believe in it. Harry Potter books contain more truth than Bible, Koran and all religious books. None is good.
2) Homosexuals do nothing that infringes on the rights of others.
Really? Have you ever been outside tonight, in the center of big city, for example? I see, never. I see it often, I see these dirty homosexuals, who disseminate AIDS (somebody here said about this disease, maybe you know that it's lethal), who are draggers mostly, who use underage girls and boys against their will and have a lot of illegal sex with them (remember Jackson), who are pedophiles, who are just dirty criminals and so on. I have never seen “an innocent” gay or lesbian. You think that way, only because you never tried to look beyond those stupid freedoms, you never saw them (or you’re one of them).
3) They love someone of the same sex - so what? Are they bothering anyone else? Are they stripping someone else of their life?
Of course!!! Marriage, whether gay or straight, affects each and every one of us. Marriage is the foundation of society. Without it, we'd be a bunch of cavemen (or cave people to be politically correct). By allowing homosexuals to marry, to live on earth, we'd be destroying the foundation of our society.
4) Are they brainwashing millions of people into passing judgement on others? Are they saying that only homosexuals are right and everyone else who doesn't believe in the things they do are going to hell for it?
Yeah, they do. Do you watch television? It’s full of gays who propagandize their lifestyle, who call their life “the only right one”.
There you say about terrorism, history and so on, but you forgot one thing. Yes, Hitler was evil. But we saw him, we had a clear line of war, we had clear enemies. Unlike the most of people say, it’s also right about terrorism. But when we touch homosexuals, who destroy our society from the inside, we don’t know what to do. The same people, the same nation, the same city-dwellers… We remember the freedoms of out forefathers, we try to mention Bill of Rights, Constitution etc, but we forget that there wasn’t such thing as homosexuality in that time. They [gays] even dare to defend their rights. I watched the TV show about gays, they tried to prove that we – straight people – are amoral.
5) I really find it incredible to believe that people really believe the kind of things that you do about homosexuals.
And it’s a pity. People as always will understand it only years later. Do you remember Bruno? He had been burnt, but later everyone at last realized that he was right. The same about me and other brave men who fight for the prosperity and existence of our world, world which homosexuals just use like the preservative [sorry for dirtiness].
6) You don't 'make' someone homosexual, for god's sake...that's too utterly ridiculous for words.
Ridiculous?? Again, you lack some information. I ‘d like to tell one awful story [and again, don’t think i like retelling it]. When people are in prison, some stupid mutants who want to have sex, use young guys against their will. Later, these guys also become homosexual. The same about army. D’you know it?
7) It's not an infection that you pick up - these people have genetic differences..it's in their chromosomal make-up.
I agree with genetic make-up, yes, they’re mutants, garbage.. but the most of gays became such only because of this dirty propaganda, and, as I’ve said before, criminals. And yes, it’s infection.
8) I fear for a world which is breeding the kind of mindless acceptance of everything the church sees fit to pass out, I really do. I find religious zealotry far more frightening than anything else.
Agreed. I’m against any kind of zealotry.
9) ..I'm not sure what, but certainly not the subjective rubbish that the church spouts) could help me pass my exams if I don't do some revision, so I'm going to stop wasting my time here and go engage with the real world for a while.
Which is what I suggest you do, my friend.
I do, dear. It will be nice to tell you that I study in the university. What’s about you? School?
Good luck, Dana. Nice conversation, I’d like to keep in touch with you.
Xenophobia? No, I never was such man, I like British, in fact. I thought about it, because there are a lot of British here. Maybe because HP is from England?
I am sure you're a beautiful young woman, and it will be tactless for me to call you with all those words you called me, but I'm also sure that you have much less knowledge about this subject than I do. It seems to me that you live in other world: great, innocent, light and fair... Everything is more complicated, dear... I'll organize my answer in several general points.
1) I refuse to follow a set of beliefs that are based on subjective opinions formed from a book that wasn't even written at the time of the events it purports to explain. Moreover, it is so filled with inconsistancies and contradictions that I find it nothing short of staggering that people actually believe in some of the things in there. 'I am a jealous God'...what is he jealous of exactly? Isn't envy and jealousy a sin? And yet God says he's jealous. If he is the one and only Supreme Being, then what's he jealous of? Jesus was angry with the traders in the temple and resorted to violence to throw them out - another sin. But that's okay, because it's 'righteous anger'.
I am NOT religious, I completely agree with you, it is exactly what I want to tell all those religious fanatics. I don't want you to think badly about me. Yeah, it's just a book, written by some Jews, and I really cannot understand why it became so popular. It's two thousand years, how can anybody believe in it. Harry Potter books contain more truth than Bible, Koran and all religious books. None is good.
2) Homosexuals do nothing that infringes on the rights of others.
Really? Have you ever been outside tonight, in the center of big city, for example? I see, never. I see it often, I see these dirty homosexuals, who disseminate AIDS (somebody here said about this disease, maybe you know that it's lethal), who are draggers mostly, who use underage girls and boys against their will and have a lot of illegal sex with them (remember Jackson), who are pedophiles, who are just dirty criminals and so on. I have never seen “an innocent” gay or lesbian. You think that way, only because you never tried to look beyond those stupid freedoms, you never saw them (or you’re one of them).
3) They love someone of the same sex - so what? Are they bothering anyone else? Are they stripping someone else of their life?
Of course!!! Marriage, whether gay or straight, affects each and every one of us. Marriage is the foundation of society. Without it, we'd be a bunch of cavemen (or cave people to be politically correct). By allowing homosexuals to marry, to live on earth, we'd be destroying the foundation of our society.
4) Are they brainwashing millions of people into passing judgement on others? Are they saying that only homosexuals are right and everyone else who doesn't believe in the things they do are going to hell for it?
Yeah, they do. Do you watch television? It’s full of gays who propagandize their lifestyle, who call their life “the only right one”.
There you say about terrorism, history and so on, but you forgot one thing. Yes, Hitler was evil. But we saw him, we had a clear line of war, we had clear enemies. Unlike the most of people say, it’s also right about terrorism. But when we touch homosexuals, who destroy our society from the inside, we don’t know what to do. The same people, the same nation, the same city-dwellers… We remember the freedoms of out forefathers, we try to mention Bill of Rights, Constitution etc, but we forget that there wasn’t such thing as homosexuality in that time. They [gays] even dare to defend their rights. I watched the TV show about gays, they tried to prove that we – straight people – are amoral.
5) I really find it incredible to believe that people really believe the kind of things that you do about homosexuals.
And it’s a pity. People as always will understand it only years later. Do you remember Bruno? He had been burnt, but later everyone at last realized that he was right. The same about me and other brave men who fight for the prosperity and existence of our world, world which homosexuals just use like the preservative [sorry for dirtiness].
6) You don't 'make' someone homosexual, for god's sake...that's too utterly ridiculous for words.
Ridiculous?? Again, you lack some information. I ‘d like to tell one awful story [and again, don’t think i like retelling it]. When people are in prison, some stupid mutants who want to have sex, use young guys against their will. Later, these guys also become homosexual. The same about army. D’you know it?
7) It's not an infection that you pick up - these people have genetic differences..it's in their chromosomal make-up.
I agree with genetic make-up, yes, they’re mutants, garbage.. but the most of gays became such only because of this dirty propaganda, and, as I’ve said before, criminals. And yes, it’s infection.
8) I fear for a world which is breeding the kind of mindless acceptance of everything the church sees fit to pass out, I really do. I find religious zealotry far more frightening than anything else.
Agreed. I’m against any kind of zealotry.
9) ..I'm not sure what, but certainly not the subjective rubbish that the church spouts) could help me pass my exams if I don't do some revision, so I'm going to stop wasting my time here and go engage with the real world for a while.
Which is what I suggest you do, my friend.
I do, dear. It will be nice to tell you that I study in the university. What’s about you? School?
Good luck, Dana. Nice conversation, I’d like to keep in touch with you.
Xenophobia? No, I never was such man, I like British, in fact. I thought about it, because there are a lot of British here. Maybe because HP is from England?
OK, Stardragon, I dind´t read your entire post, but I don´t have the need to. I totally disagree with most of the things you say. AIDS, for one, is not esactly lethal. People don´´t die of AIDS, they die of other infecctions because their inmune cells number descends because of AIDS.
Second, I really haven´t asked anyone about their sexuality, but I have a boyfriend and still I don´t think gays and lesbians are a menace to anyone. I´ve got friends who are gay and lesbians and I really don´t think they spread AIDS, they´re perfectly healthy. You need to revise your science knowledge, AIDS was spread by gay people decades ago, not anymore. Today, kids are born with AIDS because their parents are infected, and their parents are a man and a woman.
I don´t think there is anything wrong with two humans loving each other. What does it matter if they are woman and man, man and man or woman and woman?? Does it really matter? Does it really affectanyone but them? It's them who suffer bad looks and bad opinions about what they are and who they are. They don´t hurt anyone, at least not me or most of the world. If that kind of peole affect you, just ignore them. You shouldlearn to ignore what you don´t like when it doesn´t affect you, and learn that your opinions may not be welcomed if no one asked for xenophobic or racist or sexist or any other knid of comments.
I am catholic, but that doesn´t mean I agree with everything the church says and does. For me, it is a way of life. And yoo can say whatever you want, and not be religious, but the first thing we all should learn when we come into the world is RESPECT towards every other human being and TOLERANCE; if we don´t, this world will be going to the dogs. There are so many different opinions, cultures, people... in this world, and you can´t make anyone think like you. You should just learn to think in order to your culture and the things you´ve learnt and your society, and try not to forget how it feels to be marginalized.
Dana, by the way, I don´t think you´re out of line. I don´t agree totally with your comments about religion and the Bible, as I am catholic, but I do on your other comments. Itdoesn´t matter you´re a mod, you´re also a person with feelings and opinions, and free to express them BTW, good luck with your exams.
Second, I really haven´t asked anyone about their sexuality, but I have a boyfriend and still I don´t think gays and lesbians are a menace to anyone. I´ve got friends who are gay and lesbians and I really don´t think they spread AIDS, they´re perfectly healthy. You need to revise your science knowledge, AIDS was spread by gay people decades ago, not anymore. Today, kids are born with AIDS because their parents are infected, and their parents are a man and a woman.
I don´t think there is anything wrong with two humans loving each other. What does it matter if they are woman and man, man and man or woman and woman?? Does it really matter? Does it really affectanyone but them? It's them who suffer bad looks and bad opinions about what they are and who they are. They don´t hurt anyone, at least not me or most of the world. If that kind of peole affect you, just ignore them. You shouldlearn to ignore what you don´t like when it doesn´t affect you, and learn that your opinions may not be welcomed if no one asked for xenophobic or racist or sexist or any other knid of comments.
I am catholic, but that doesn´t mean I agree with everything the church says and does. For me, it is a way of life. And yoo can say whatever you want, and not be religious, but the first thing we all should learn when we come into the world is RESPECT towards every other human being and TOLERANCE; if we don´t, this world will be going to the dogs. There are so many different opinions, cultures, people... in this world, and you can´t make anyone think like you. You should just learn to think in order to your culture and the things you´ve learnt and your society, and try not to forget how it feels to be marginalized.
Dana, by the way, I don´t think you´re out of line. I don´t agree totally with your comments about religion and the Bible, as I am catholic, but I do on your other comments. Itdoesn´t matter you´re a mod, you´re also a person with feelings and opinions, and free to express them BTW, good luck with your exams.
>>You need to revise your science knowledge, AIDS was spread by gay people decades ago, not anymore. Today, kids are born with AIDS because their parents are infected, and their parents are a man and a woman.<<
My science knowledge is sufficient, unlike your moral one. Decades before??? And it's nothing??? I don't say about today, I say in general, and if some million AIDS cases are nothing only because they were some years ago, then i have nothing to tell you. And those kids?? Aren't they of gays'?
I don´t think there is anything wrong with two humans loving each other. What does it matter if they are woman and man, man and man or woman and woman?? Does it really matter?
MATTER!!!!!! For me matter. What matters for you? You don't care about humans. I think you think only about yourself, drinks, and HP.
If you're too lazy to read my whole message, then don't send stupid posts, asking me something I've already answered in previous one.
Children!
They don´t hurt anyone, at least not me or most of the world.
And you will wait until that moment?
but the first thing we all should learn when we come into the world is RESPECT towards every other human being and TOLERANCE
Exactly, human being. Not homosexual. You sound very unserious, like 10-year-old girl. You don't care about anybody besides yourself. Religion isn't good in lifestyle, the only good thing in it is morality.
i don't want to make you or anybody else think like me. I'll be acting. I'll dedicate my life to it.
My science knowledge is sufficient, unlike your moral one. Decades before??? And it's nothing??? I don't say about today, I say in general, and if some million AIDS cases are nothing only because they were some years ago, then i have nothing to tell you. And those kids?? Aren't they of gays'?
I don´t think there is anything wrong with two humans loving each other. What does it matter if they are woman and man, man and man or woman and woman?? Does it really matter?
MATTER!!!!!! For me matter. What matters for you? You don't care about humans. I think you think only about yourself, drinks, and HP.
If you're too lazy to read my whole message, then don't send stupid posts, asking me something I've already answered in previous one.
Children!
They don´t hurt anyone, at least not me or most of the world.
And you will wait until that moment?
but the first thing we all should learn when we come into the world is RESPECT towards every other human being and TOLERANCE
Exactly, human being. Not homosexual. You sound very unserious, like 10-year-old girl. You don't care about anybody besides yourself. Religion isn't good in lifestyle, the only good thing in it is morality.
i don't want to make you or anybody else think like me. I'll be acting. I'll dedicate my life to it.
How could those kids be from gays?? Not every gay has AIDS, did you know?? You think homosexuals will hurt anyone? There were also mass destruction weapons in Irak. Have you found them? I have not.
I didn´t read your post not out of laziness but out of rejection. I don´t need to spend my time reading about someone´s opinion when that someone doesn´t even try to live in the real world, and progress as it does.
You have no idea who I am, my age or what kind of life I lead. Everyone who is born human is a human being. Homosexual or not. I don´t drink and I am catholic, I´m not ashamed of saying so. You are the one who should start thinking about morality. Morality shows respect. Didn´t you ever learn that? I would like to see how you felt if that kind of comments were directed towards some aspect of your life, or someone you love. I won´t bother to try and make you see what I think. I may be wrong, but I´m not selfish as you say. My job will be dedicated to help others. Have you ever tried to help anyone? I´d like to see.
I have a fuller life than HP or drinks. I study at university, too. Does that really mean your more intelligent or smarter? What does it matter, if you´re not able to think by yourself?You don´t know me, don´t you dare judge me.
You dare tell me I´m a child or speak like a ten year old? You should try abnd see further than what you have been taught. Adolescents are suppossed to create their own values and personality. If you abide by what others have taught you, your life will be really sad.
I won´t answer anymore, I come in here to have fun, not to try and show someone their reactionary thoughts.
I didn´t read your post not out of laziness but out of rejection. I don´t need to spend my time reading about someone´s opinion when that someone doesn´t even try to live in the real world, and progress as it does.
You have no idea who I am, my age or what kind of life I lead. Everyone who is born human is a human being. Homosexual or not. I don´t drink and I am catholic, I´m not ashamed of saying so. You are the one who should start thinking about morality. Morality shows respect. Didn´t you ever learn that? I would like to see how you felt if that kind of comments were directed towards some aspect of your life, or someone you love. I won´t bother to try and make you see what I think. I may be wrong, but I´m not selfish as you say. My job will be dedicated to help others. Have you ever tried to help anyone? I´d like to see.
I have a fuller life than HP or drinks. I study at university, too. Does that really mean your more intelligent or smarter? What does it matter, if you´re not able to think by yourself?You don´t know me, don´t you dare judge me.
You dare tell me I´m a child or speak like a ten year old? You should try abnd see further than what you have been taught. Adolescents are suppossed to create their own values and personality. If you abide by what others have taught you, your life will be really sad.
I won´t answer anymore, I come in here to have fun, not to try and show someone their reactionary thoughts.
Stardragon - names? Okay..how about patronising and condescending as well as bigoted. You're what...16? I'm 27 so flatter myself that I have far greater knowledge of the world than you do. The real one - not information gleaned from biased TV sources and whatever books you've been reading. As such, I refuse to engage in any further conversations with someone who clearly has no clue whatsoever about what they're talking about. I have no intention of discussing AIDS with you because if you seriously think that homosexuals caused AIDS then I suggest YOU go read some science books. Yes, gay men were unfortunate enough to be more vulnerable to it, but that did not exclude millions of others being infected too who were not. The horrendous death toll in Africa from AIDS is not a result of homosexual sex - it's a result of poor hygiene, AIDS being passed from mother to child - not because everyone in South Africa is gay. I am actually qualified with GCSE's, A-Levels and a scientific degree and so am educated enough to know exactly how AIDS started and it that complete rubbish about it being a 'gay' disease that the AIDS charities themselves have spent years trying to dispel, only to have someone like you with clearly next to no knowledge on the subject propagate lies and disinformation about it. I am qualified to talk about it - are you?
I'm just not even going to get into the rest of your post because I've never read such rubbish in my entire life - if that is seriously how you view the world, then you have my pity. You're going to find life very hard with those kind of intolerances of others.
Mutants? Freaks? Really? Mmm...so what about people with cystic fibrosis? Huntingtons? Phenylketoneuria? Down's Syndrome? They're all freaks too, are they? People who have genetic differences to other people are not freaks or mutants. Just because you were lucky enough to be born "normal", it doesn't mean that other people are. Do you support Hitler's view that all such people should be incinerated then?
Putting my opinions on this subject aside, some of those remarks of yours are bordering on exceptionally, extremely offensive and as such, I'm going to ask you, as moderator, to reign it in. In particular, I'm referring to your last remarks to Hallia, they were completely uncalled for. Watch it, because I'm very close right now to officially warning you. DO NOT patronise, condescend or insult other members personally or you, like anyone else who does so, will be warned. Clear?
And no, I'm not gay. Just as well I'm not or I suppose you'd have me burned at the stake.
Aside from anything else, this is getting off topic anyway. This is about the new pope, not gay-bashing. If you want to do that, there's a thread in the Just Get Away from Life forum you can post in.
I'm just not even going to get into the rest of your post because I've never read such rubbish in my entire life - if that is seriously how you view the world, then you have my pity. You're going to find life very hard with those kind of intolerances of others.
Mutants? Freaks? Really? Mmm...so what about people with cystic fibrosis? Huntingtons? Phenylketoneuria? Down's Syndrome? They're all freaks too, are they? People who have genetic differences to other people are not freaks or mutants. Just because you were lucky enough to be born "normal", it doesn't mean that other people are. Do you support Hitler's view that all such people should be incinerated then?
Putting my opinions on this subject aside, some of those remarks of yours are bordering on exceptionally, extremely offensive and as such, I'm going to ask you, as moderator, to reign it in. In particular, I'm referring to your last remarks to Hallia, they were completely uncalled for. Watch it, because I'm very close right now to officially warning you. DO NOT patronise, condescend or insult other members personally or you, like anyone else who does so, will be warned. Clear?
And no, I'm not gay. Just as well I'm not or I suppose you'd have me burned at the stake.
Aside from anything else, this is getting off topic anyway. This is about the new pope, not gay-bashing. If you want to do that, there's a thread in the Just Get Away from Life forum you can post in.
Hahahaha!!!!!
Dull forum! Nobody even bothers of writing properly and not repeating "you're stupid, you're so.., you're that... etc."
I tell you, Dana, as a moderator, after long time of being the part of solid college forums with clever and intelligent students from harvard or MIT, from different backgrounds, I'm surprised to see how plain you are here. You're of the same kind, childish. You don't listen to the opinion of other people, you refuses to read my post and then blame me for what you haven't read.
I haven't written something personally insulting, and you'll warn me only because I have another view, you're biased, yeah.. you're intolerant to ppl, who protest you. Some kind of feminism? Your warning will be illegal, beacuse it's biased.
You're British, Dana. Americans usually have a great range of opinions and views, they're not that focused on something stupid.
And, BTW, I'm 20. Do you think one my message will tell you the truth about my age.
Anti-homosexuals will rock!!!
Maybe I was wrong, Dana, you're not British. You're Irish, aren't you? Drinking Ginness, listening to Enya (Only time - great song) hahaha
Dull forum! Nobody even bothers of writing properly and not repeating "you're stupid, you're so.., you're that... etc."
I tell you, Dana, as a moderator, after long time of being the part of solid college forums with clever and intelligent students from harvard or MIT, from different backgrounds, I'm surprised to see how plain you are here. You're of the same kind, childish. You don't listen to the opinion of other people, you refuses to read my post and then blame me for what you haven't read.
I haven't written something personally insulting, and you'll warn me only because I have another view, you're biased, yeah.. you're intolerant to ppl, who protest you. Some kind of feminism? Your warning will be illegal, beacuse it's biased.
You're British, Dana. Americans usually have a great range of opinions and views, they're not that focused on something stupid.
And, BTW, I'm 20. Do you think one my message will tell you the truth about my age.
Anti-homosexuals will rock!!!
Maybe I was wrong, Dana, you're not British. You're Irish, aren't you? Drinking Ginness, listening to Enya (Only time - great song) hahaha
Plain, childish and dull, eh? Righty-o then. Thanks for that. You won't mind if I now lock this topic and put you on mod preview then. I hope you can find another forum that's more to your liking.
Have a nice day.
Anyone who wishes to complain, please do it to one of the other moderators because clearly I'm biased in expecting people to express opinions without calling people mutants, freaks and insulting their intelligence.
Have a nice day.
Anyone who wishes to complain, please do it to one of the other moderators because clearly I'm biased in expecting people to express opinions without calling people mutants, freaks and insulting their intelligence.
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