I read this somewhere, I think an editorial on Mugglenet. Anyway, the author put forth the theory that the seven rooms encountered in the Department of Mysteries reflect the seven books in the series.
The rooms are in order of appearance:
1.Round room with lots of doors which tend to switch places (entrance)
2.Room with aquariums full of greenish liquid and brains (intelligence)
3. Amphitheater with black veil (death)
4. Locked door (mystic power)
5. Shining room with clocks (time)
6. Big room with shelves and class orbs (prophesies)
7. Room with floating planets (the universe)

This writer thinks that each room has it's corresponding book. Like this.
PS= Entrance
CoS= Intelligence. (This is the most far-fetched. But most of the book is Harry & Friends trying to figure out what is hidden in the CoS.)
PoA= Time
GoF= Death. Our first taste of recent deaths because of Voldemort: Bertha Jorkins, Crouch Sr./Jr. Cedric Diggory.
OotP= Prophecies.

Then the author put mystic power/locked door in book seven, as that is most likely when Voldemort will be defeated, so Universe ends up in Half Blood Prince.

I'm still making my mind up about this one, but the parallels seem to close to be entirely coincidental. Comments?


BTW, I found the editorial here

Well, it isa bit far fetched maybe, but, hey, JK has written quite farfetched things already, so why not this too?
If it were true, maybe the universe room has to do with the trio or one of them making some kind of prediction, or the thing about Mars being bright all that havingf to do with the beggining of the second war or its climax, as Mars is the bringer of battle.

Universe means the world, and we know the Wizarding world is at war. So thats how I think that theory connects.

Yeah, Tuitus, it kind of makes sense... More than mine, probably... I was just trying to go for farfetched and imagination...

You were both saying the same thing...a really big war. How awesome is the sixth movie gonna be? with like a 30 min long fight sequence.

Hmm . . . That would be a great theory if everything fit in order. With things being rearranged, it sort of weakens it. I think the planet room was to study gravity, actually, as no one really knows how it works, except that it is related to electro magnetism. All that Unifying Theory stuff from Physics. Basically, the same thing that holds electrons in orbit around the nucleus of an atom.

Still . . . pretty good idea.

wow you have obviosly done your reasearch im impressed this is a great theory

well, that was really a cool information!
i think that would really help for finding out what would be the next things to happen!
thanks for the information! & stay cool!

Possibly true because didnt JK say that we will learn/hear more about the Wizarding World War in HBP??? but very good theory.

That certainly is a very interesting theory!
If only everything were in order, it would be plausible.

I got the impression at the end of OotP that the locked door contained 'love' ... which would make that one correspond best to book 7.

The only problem is that it's hard to assign one to another; Entrance=P/SS and Time=PoA, but death could apply to the 5th or 6th one, intelligence could apply to any of them, and universe makes no sense whatsoever in the context of the books so far, imo.

yep im totally convinced about the theory wendelin. i think its really great. oh im so looking forward to book seven.

hmm... sweet theory. i think that the connection between the universe room and the 6th bok is actually how luna describes it. she says that half the time evrything was all dark and im not sure if she said EXACtly this, but i thought she sayd it also seemed as if you were upside down half the time too. if so, that would lead me to belive that the room represents how the whole wizarding world was turned upside-down in the 6th book with the extremley unexpected death of dd. the funeral shows how everyone was affected by it. from centaurs to merpeople to all different types of wizards. agree?

This is very good theory. It makes alot of sense. I still wonder what that mystical power is though.

how about this:

1. the entrance hall (choice) - book 1 - it's Harry's own choice (to be a Gryffindor) that changed the sorting hat's mind (he ought to be sent to Slytherin as his ability showed)

2. the brain room (memory) - book 2 - the diary, Voldemore's memory

3. the veil room (death) - book 4 - needless to say

4. the locked room (love) - book 6 - see what happened between Harry and Ginny, Ron and Hermione, Bill and Fleur, Tonks and Lupin...sure, DD's death is crucial, yet he'd be glad to see more love burgeoning in the wizard world

5. the clock room (time) - book 3 - see 3

6. the prophesy room (prophesies) - book 5 - see the above

7. the planet room (universe or eternity or destiny) - to be revealed in book 7

got impressed and inspired by the former guess and came up with this rough idea. some of them are far-fetched, e.g. i'd regard the theme of book 1 as COURAGE

what do you think

The basic premise of this theory seems like something JKR would do. But I looked at some of it a little differently, maybe wrongly so. Here's my version:

Book One - Entrance, agree on that one

Book Two - Here's where I disagree just a bit. I don't necessarily think the brain represent the study of intelligence.

Quote, US version, Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 35, page 798

"For a moment, it seemed suspended in midair, then it soared toward Ron, spinning as it came, and what looked like ribbons of moving images flew from it, unraveling like rolls of film - "

I think this room represents Memory, not Intelligence per se. This quote made me think that. Also, could it be that Memory is something of very important study to the wizarding world where you can store memories in a Pensieve? So, I think this room is for the study of memory, which, considering the importance of Tom Riddle's diary in CofS and how Harry went back into Tom Riddle's memory ties in with that theory.

Thus, Book Two - Memories

Book Three - Time, makes perfect sense

Book Four - Death, makes perfect sense as it's where Harry has his first experience with death via Cedric.

Book Five - Prophecies, makes perfect sense

Book Six - Universe. I think one of the character's even says this room is for the study of the universe, though I can't recall where I read that. But I take a different view of the word "universe" than the first poster.

Recall that the first chapter of Book Six features the Muggle Prime Minister and shows how the wizarding world and the Muggle world connect. If you look up "universe" in the dictionary, the definition is "all created things regarded as a system or whole."
Thus, the wizarding world and the muggle world are a whole as the war and the return of Voldemort is affecting both. So, I agree that Book Six is Universe, but in terms of bringing those two worlds together.

Book Seven - Love

Dumbledore has said that the thing behind the locked door at the DofM, is a thing "more wonderful and terrible than death." And, he told Harry that it is love.

Thus, Book Seven will be predicated on love.

This makes a lot of sense. Dumbledore told Harry more than once that the power Harry has that Voldemort knows not is love.

It was Lily's love for Harry that saved him and has protected him.

It is interesting how many examples of different kinds of love JKR has shown, especially in Book Six. They include:

* Obsessive love, Merope used potion on Tom Riddle Sr. to trick him into marrying her
* Parental love - Narcissa for Draco, how the Weasleys react to Arthur being attacked
*Sibling/Family love - Weasleys react to Bill being attacked and Ron being poisoned
* Amortencia, Ron getting zonked by a love potion
* Romantic love - several examples, we all know who they are

Thus, I think love plays the largest role in Book Seven. It is what will decide the end game.

So, I think the theory fits, with a few adjustments. This is really interesting that JKR has tied everything in. Her organization of the world of HP is amazing.

Granted, I might be off on some of this, but that's the best I can figure.

Awesome theory, and note, there are 7 rooms, and 7 is a magical, or powerful number. Amazing how this was all planned out...Yet so hard to crack the codes.

yes and doesnt it say in the book that 7 is the luckiest number in the wizarding world
yes and isnt number 7 supposed to be the luckiest or most powerful number in the wizarding world and harry was born in the 7th month to
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I have a feeling we are going to encounter some huge revelation that involves the number 7. It will be something that we haven't really thought of, and the 7 doors things would go pretty well with that theory.

I think I am tending to agree that the "universe" would be Book 6. Book 6 seemed to be The Universe because realize what the first 2 chapters are: 37 pages of not-Harry.

First we encounter not only Cornelius Fudge and his persepctive, but the Prime Minister's!

Next, we see Bellatrix, Narcissa, Snape, and Wormtail doing what they do best. These are people that all put a rounder view on the wizarding world by showing what their life is like. It helps expand the Potter universe to other characters, and voila! The Universe.

maybe . . . but it could just be because J.K has a thing with the number 7. She has said it is of some importance . . .so maybe . . . just maybe. It could be and if it was a wouldn't say it was farfetched just clever and imaginative and beside just like a prophecy things sometimes go a lilttle deeper than you think . . .

Not only in the Potter World is seven significant but in our world as well. Seven is a most magical, mysterious and pwerful number.... i will elaborate only a little further

Seven corresponds to the seven days of the week, the seven planets, seven rungs of perfection, seven spheres of celestial stairs, the seven petals of the rose, the seven branches of the shaman's cosmic tree and so on. Seven denotes the fullness of the planetary orders, the fullness of the energies and principles in spiritual order. Seven was the Ancient Egyptian symbol of eternal life, and symbolizes the dynamic perfection of a completed cycle. Seven conveys the fresh start after a cycle has been completed and of positive regeneration. Seven occurs in countless Ancient Greek traditions and legends-the seven gates of Thebes, Niobe's seven sons and seven daughters, the seven strings of the lyre, the seven spheres, etc. There are seven emblems of the Buddha and seven primary chakras in the subtle energy system.


so I rest now knowing that i have enlightened some, and reminded others of the importance of SEVEN

Um... I know i don't normally post in this, well whole area of the boards, but i couldn't help wonder. How are you getting seven planets? The last time i counted there were eight, not including Pluto as it was recently discovered it was a moon. Has there been another planet that's infact a moon been discovered? It seems like such a good idea.

I'm just wondering

no not in present times.... it was in the less technical days when we had low lense telescopes.... in the orignal astonomy there were seven heavenly bodies.. or planets that were known to the ancients... these are now used in astrology....

Pluto is a moon? I thought they said that Pluto was more like a comet now, a rogue comet that or perhaps a giant asteroid since it has its own orbit around the sun, not going around another planet.

Yes, I agree that the Half-Blood Prince has to do with the universe. I like all the ways people interpreted it, but it remains the universe. I'll offer mine, but its not really as good. What about the universe as being a barrier? There was a barrier when the Order was trying to get to the tower, there was a barrier when Dumbledore tried to get into the basin, there were other magical barriers on the cave as well, we saw another barrier between the magical world and the Muggle world in the Prime Minister's office (not a good example, but it emphasizes that a Muggle can't jump into fire like a wizard can and get to another 'realm' so to speak)...

barriers broken as well: the magical barriers removed twice to allow people to practice apparition and when Dumbledore and Harry arrived after the cave, love barriers between the Weasleys and Fluer, the barrier on Voldemort's past.

The universe being a barrier, of course, since we can't exactly go out there...barely got to the moon, you know? But I remember reading in one of the Harry Potter books that someone traveled to the moon and brought back a moon ferry or something...

If you ask me this went way off subject in so many places, but back to the point, I think everyone has got the idea that love is pretty much going to pbe the theme in the 7th book. I am sure the Department of Mysteries will show up again and we will figure out everything that we are asking about. Just what I think.

For clarification and edification:

There were 7 celestial bodies:
Sun
Moon
Venus
Mars
Mercury
Jupiter
Saturn

These were the objects that revolved around the Earth.

Back to the original topic, I'm glad it's still being discussed because I really like it. I agree that the brain room is actually Memory, not Intelligence, and the attack on Ron is symbolic of how painful and constricting memory can be.

The idea I'd add is this:
We don't see what's behind 7 of the doors in the entrance hall (the 5 we see are the ones they enter from the ministry, death, memory, time, and love -- the universe room was off the death room, iirc, and the prophecy room is off of the time room). 7 again.

Well Fawkes sometiems i feel a subject needs to skew from the straight path every so often to introduce new ideas and give the knowledge to those who havent had the chance. I feel we stayed remarkably close to the topic while opening up new ideas for the seven rooms...

I do agree Albus, but I was just saying that it was all kind of confusing, yet some very good ideas had popped up. That is all I meant.

There have been some really good conclusions drawn here, everyone is so creative.

It is an interesting fact that JKR likes the # 7, it carries a lot of spiritual symbolism with it. She seems to have a nack for including the archetypal elements that really grab ahold and make people think.

I think that to assign each book to a room of mystery is a bit too methodical. To me it seems that all of the mysteries present themselves in each of the books, though one might be more prevalent than another in any given book.

I think that in Book 7 we will see alot of two of these mysteries, Death and Love. People seem to have ruled out death as a possibility as we first saw it in Book 4, but I think we will see more Death in Book 7 than we have seen in all of the Books combined so far.

Any thoughts?

i like the theory!! has anyone thought of the universe room applying to the Halfblood Prince Book in this way?!?! Okay, in hbp, where does the main event, happen? Hint:< Lighteningstruck Tower> This is the astronomy tower!! so, maybe the universe room is making conjuction to this event in hbp. think about it, and please, i would love some feedback!!

I like your theory, 'prince_halfblood_22.'

Maybe HBP has got something more to do with the Universe that we haven't realised yet. That we will find out about in the next book. JKR said the seventh book was going to be like the second part to the sixth book (sorry I can't remember what interview she said that in.)

The seventh book containing love that would definetely make sense, we know more people die in this one, and that we are going to find out more about Harry's parents, Lily and James.

IN the HBP i think the fight has taken out through the entire world. The wole universe is at stake for the fight against voldemort. That is bad but i think it maks sense. ALso have wizards colonized other plants i mean with bublle headed charms they could not see anyhting?

I love this thread, it is exactly what JKR would do

It DOES seem a bit far-fetched but I guess anything's possible.
I mean everyone thought that from day 1 Scabbers was just an ordinary rat going to die but he ended up being a mass murderer.

I don't think that COS has to deal with intelligence because they are always trying to figure out what's going on.

I think COS has to deal with secrets. We find out who the real heir of slytherin was, who was persecuted etc.

Ooh, good theory. Very good indeed... I do agree that it might be a little far-fetched, but that just makes it even more likely, because JKR is a genious, and pretty much everything she writes is kind of far-fetched (which is exactly what I like about her).

Okay, back on topic... As I said, I think this is a good theory. And though I see a bit of all those room contents in all of the books, I do agree that each book has one that's emphasised. In PS/SS, there's Harry's entrance to the magical world - In CoS, I'd say it's more about memories than intelligence, like the Chamber being reopened and Riddle's diary. I also get the feeling of some kind of prophecy (Dobby's warning). - In PoA, it's definitely time (Hermione's Time Turner). - GoF is a lot about death and what's to come - OotP; prophecies, death, mysteries.. - HBP; memories, obviously (corresponding with the brain room). As for what happens in DH; I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

didn't one of the books say that the mystery room contained love? does this mean that book 7 is going to be based around love? spose the ending might.

also, didnt the entrance lead to 12 rooms? cant remember.

I've never thought about it that way, but now that I do, it makes total sense. Voldemort also said in Half Blood Prince that 7 is the most powerful magical number (thus the number of horcruxes he wanted), so maybe that's another reason there are 7 rooms in the Department of mysteries. With that theory, that means that the only thing left is the Universe. What do you think that could be about? Maybe that with Voldemort gone, the whole universe will be different? Maybe something will happen that will make the Muggles find out that there are wizards, and so the two universes become one? What do you guys think?

I was just thinking what if evil is hidden in the veil. Maybe a hocrux, if Voldermert was smart enough he could have kept it in the veil .So you would have to kill yourself to destroy it. It would be a smart thing to do especially if you put extra magical protection.

i guess this could be righ...

i would think that for the sixth book (universe) would have somthing to do with the wizarding world. we now know that they are at war and in the sixht book is when voldy really starts to show that he is back in this universe

Okay, the seven rooms, but wasn't there one room that had a load of doors, don't they go somewhere?? or it that just another room with all the room conected to that one??

I think everyone has an awesome theory about the books relating to the rooms, I wouldn't change it by much, Book 1: enterance. Book 2: memories or inteligence. Book 3: Time. Book 4: Death. Book 5: Prophecy.

Book 6: Is the only one I'm not sure about. It could be memories since Dumbledore is showing Harry about Voldemorts past through other peoples memories. Or it could be the Universe, how the whole wizarding world has to stand together in light of Voldemorts new power.

Book 7: Love. Fluer and Bill are getting married, Remus and Tonks will probably be together, Hermione and Ron will probably go out, Harry could get back together with Ginny but if he doesn't he still loves her.

Just my opinon on the whole room = book thing. And, like everyone said, 7 is the most powerful and strongest number in the magical and non magical world.

I'm of two mind's as far as this goes...It does make sense, yet it does seem like someone is trying to make connections where there are none. That is like saying that Harry will allow himself to be killed in order to kill voldemort because he shares a similarity with Jesus. Connections with one thing do not dictate another. Also, Wasn't the hall of prophecies behind the same door as the galaxy one? so that would mean that there is an unknown door there...or not, maybe I'm just rambling.

You make a good point psychoticinferno, the books and the rooms may have nothing to do with each other and is just a coincidence that there are 7 of each. It's like trying to connect the 7 Weasleys to the 7 books.... just a coincidence. Or it could have everything to do with the books and the rooms and we just uncovered a major plot point... the possiblities...

i think you are right on all counts in post 1
I think book six is universe because Harry Explores Voldemort's Universe (His life and weakness)

EDIT: I was talking to my friend john this morning and he thinks that the first room isn't entrance at all. It is actually yet another mystery! The mystery is....
FATE
yeah, i went there
and it can still tie into the first book because harry is learning about who he is and he starts to learn about his destiny
(Also at the end where voldemort asked hary to join him)

OR

Book one could be universe because harry starts to learn about the wizarding world and book six could be fate because harry learns more about his fate according to the prophecy There is a serious converstaion about fate in the sixth one in the chapter the dark lord's request (i think that's the one)

This is a great theory, and now we kind of know it's true.

PS - Entrance (to the series/ Wizarding World/ Harry/ Voldemort etc.)
CoS - Intelligence (fitting information together, learning etc.)
PoA - Time (Time Turner - obvious)
GoF - Death (Cedric, The Crouch's - also obvious)
OotP - Prophecies (Learning of his Prophecy - the most obvious)
HBP - Universe (Wizarding Universe slowly ttaken over by Crazy V)
DH - Mystic Power (It's what is left)

I'm going to quickly explain my views on that 7th room. That mystic power, I believe, is Love. Dumbledore as much as tells us this in either OotP or HBP, I can't remember which, but he says something about Harry 'possessing it in such quantities' or something (sorry, I know). Anyway, Harry uses Love to keep himself alive and to defeat Crazy V (soory, my nickname for Voldemort, quicker to type, ). It helps him stop running away from the Forest in the Final Battle so it is the main part of HP7! So yeah, very good theory

Hmm... this makes sense! You'd really have to think further and find all the hints that connect the rooms to the books, but it still somewhat makes sense. As I read previously, in the second post I think, it is pretty far-fetched and another random complicated but awesome detail at the same time... I wouldn't be surprised if this was true. It's just the fact that they were never mentionned that keeps me from beleiving harder in the theories. If all the theories we had were true, wouldn't we have heard a bit more from JKR, especially now that we're at the end of the book? Even if it was in an interview or from the book itself, it's hard to tell if they're true or not.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was true though. JKR has done some amazing, smart and brain teasing plots that some of us had trouble figuring out, and if this theory is true then it wouldn't be the first complicated thing like that!

i actually had a brief thought on this but i didn't think it through like this. Because, even if this is just a coincidence, it is very relative to the situation. It does seem just like that. And if you break it down it makes a whole lot of sense
Although, you didn't really give good speculation on the Universe room, which i think i know, and if it's already been said, sorry... I think the sixth book ties with that room because it was when everyone had to realize the awful truth: voldemort was back.
It's just my thoughts though...