Hair color? The indicating factor that a relationship is florishing, the tell-tell sign that a romantic love will blossom into a life long commitment, the key to marriage. Hair color?

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Well, looks like this is another one that's largely redundant now. I'm sure you can move any discussions over to the H/G supporters thread now if you want to, unless you want to continue the debate here. As long as it doesn't generate into gloating and sarcasm as the other one seemed to, then you're welcome to keep it. Totally up to you.

Louise and other mods,
For the sake of peace, I don't mind if we close the debate threads and refer all the postings to the respective supporter threads. It's been a pleasure to see differing opinions which deepen our understanding to the series.
However, I don't represent anyone in this. I love to discuss things and the romance of HP series is still debatable, although most likely not at the same level as before. Jo Rowling laid down her cards, but not yet stating her verdicts. I think some posters need a place to discuss. Gloating is not good, but reviewing all topics may not be bad. If I guess something wrong, I would like to know where I did wrong. Some posters are dying to do so.
Therefore, I would suggest to keep this thread open for a while, until most opinions are heard. As moderators, please delete immediately any bad posts, but don't have to lock the thread because of one bad post. Thank you again for moderating so well.

For fellow H/G supporters in this thread:
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Congratulations for fellow H/G supporters. Jo has confirm our guess. There is still one more book to go, before we know whether H/G will last long or not. All readers I consulted agree that H/G doesn't end at the end of HBP. It's part of the "common" cliffhanger, to keep some readers in suspense. Still, it's good not to gloat over it. We simply guess what Jo Rowling thinks. Our guess happens to be correct. It could easily be incorrect. It can still be incorrect in book 7. Let's just enjoy the moment, be happy with H/G development, and keep the good memory for a few years until Book 7 is published.
If you want to debate, please make sure to follow the rules.
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Love you all,
Muggy

I have to second Muggy's post. We see JKR's cards, it seems pointless to keep debating.
Unless something crazy happens, like Ron betrays everyone, turns evil, and Harry and Hermione end up together. I hope that doesn't happen.

Please don't close the debate threads. I still have a few things to say in regards to this. One of them being how Harry's feelings for Ginny are described...

emphasis is mine, not Jo's:

Please refer to my post in the R/Hr supporters thread.

I appreciate your points, but please try to understand this from the moderators perspective - we cannot simply delete posts. It's been the VTM policy forever - it is not fair to delete a newbie's posts (unless they are rude, abusive or contain vulgarities) just because they don't bother to read the rules before they post (which, let's face it, the vast majority of them don't) and start taking the mick, being sarcastic and flippant when someone has spent ages composing a well-thought out and intelligent argument. Do you have any idea of deflating that it is? It's not fair and it's not right. Which means that the mods then have to take up huge chunks of the thread with the old 'hiya, welcome to the forums, please read the rules..blah, blah, blah' that I'm sure you lot are just as sick of reading as I know I am of writing. Not only that, it takes up huge amounts of our time when we have an entire forum to keep an eye on too - it's just not an effective use of our resources for the very small handful of people who do have the maturity to post properly.

Basically, there are far more people here who are going to make this place impossible to moderate than there are people with the intelligence and maturity to contribute properly.

Believe me, this makes me just as angry, sad and desperately disappointed as it does some of you here, but unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any way around this.

So, as a compromise, I'll give this thread some time....a week, maybe two, to see how it goes. If it's dying, becomes invaded by idiots who don't read rules before posting or a moderator needs to step in to bring someone back in line, then I'm afraid this one will need locking too.

I am sorry, please understand that I do know how you feel, but we need you to try and understand it from our perspective too.

Dear all,
I think Louise and the other mods have done the right thing by closing the R/Hr vs. H/Hr debate. In the interview of Emerson and Melissa with Jo Rowling, the verdict is out. For the sake of peace, we should move on, not to dwell with the past.
We still can discuss about H/other girl, now that "H/G ship has been sailed but now back to the dock".

Angela12,
You have touched the vital point in the H/G relationship:
Is it just a one time burst of emotion? Is it just because Harry's pride has been hurt? Or is it a true love?
Before going to this, I have to remind myself, that HP series is getting more violent. Not only there are many bloods and murders, but also the actions, conversations and vocabularies are getting harsh and cruel.
In that light, I would say Harry's words are not peculiarly strong.
Still, is his feeling to Ginny long-lasting or temporary?
I would say it's long-lasting. Harry won't like it to be tainted by pain and destruction, so he decided to let the feeling go. It's still questionable whether he can and how long he can do that. But that indicates his intention to have it long-lasting. Do you agree with this?

As I've just said in the H/Hr and R/Hr threads, I'm far to livid with this so-called author and her books right now, not to mention her extremely disgusting remarks concerning H/Hr shippers to moderate the SHIPS forums anymore. One of the other mods will be taking over soon I expect.

Have fun, enjoy the debates - whatever else you think there's left to debate about - and try not to give the new mod any hassle.

Thanks.

In regards to Angela's post. I see how that passage from HBP could be construed as negative. but if you look at it, was it not reffering to Harry's feelings toward Dean, Ginny's bf at the time? Just an observation. What do you think?

I would just like to say that I have never been happier to be wrong about a theory as I was about this one. Harry and Luna was frankly frightening, but my twisted sense of logic lead me there anyway. Long Live Harry and Ginny!

Even though they already split up.

And Dana, I've been saying H/Hr's were delusional for almost a year now. You'd think that would've buffered you a bit.

Yeah, but it still kind of hurts when the author of the books you've loved for years joins in the hilarity. *sighs*

Anyway, don't you start now... I've had my fill of arguments about this since yesterday and I like you right now...let's not change that, eh?

Anywho, just letting you guys know that Mason has very kindly offered to step in here to keep an eye on things now, so just behave yourselves and don't give him a hard a time as you gave me, yeah?

Thanks.

Louise, I understand your disappointment. It's good to be away for a while.
And thanks very much again for being a great mod for this thread.

LLtWK! Nice of you to post. Long time no see. I miss our discussions!

Anyway: Will Harry be with Ginny very soon? Or will he be with Gabrielle Delacour for a while? Luna and Rosmilda are waiting as well.

I think if Harry doesn't go back together with Ginny, whats the possibility of him being with another girl? I mean, he broke up with Ginny so Voldemort doesn't use her as "bait" again, he must still like her right? If he doesn't go back together with the one he loves, I doubt he would go back together with anybody else. But I do hope Harry and Ginny get back together.

just my 2 cents.

This maybe a cruel idea and out-of-character for Harry. Harry may date another girl just to lure Voldemort away from Ginny. The girl that I think brave enough (or indifferent enough) to do so is Luna Lovegood. They will play boyfriend/girlfriend while being aware about Voldemort's plan.
Meanwhile, Ron + Hermione + Ginny can bond together with others ex-DA to support.
I don't say I am not supporting Harry/Ginny. I am still for H/G to the end.
I am saying for the storyline, Harry/Luna will hook up temporarily.
Will that be reasonable?

I don't think Harry will date anyone for a while. He wants to go off on his own, remember? I believe he, Ron, and Hermione will go off by themselves and Ginny will remain behind to rally the rest of the DA together, always ready to rush to Harry's side if he is in danger.

JK said she tried to make Ginny a tough, intelligent character with an adventurous spirit worthy of Harry. I think she succeeded. I long thought Ginny would be the best match for Harry, I just thought JK might have different plans for our hero when she introduced Luna Lovegood. I was somewhat disappointed with Harry's birthday party. I expected them to invite the Lovegoods over for the party and JK to spend more time leading us astray.

I think she tried to be a bit too concise with this book, and ended a lot of the sideplots prematurely. Someone made her think OotP was too long. I thought it was a good length and wouldn't mind books that were even longer if they were filled with as much detail as OotP.

I agree Weasel King, I also got that impression. It seems a shame that some of the sub plots were a little rushed but if book 7 is (as JK says) a continuation of 6, maybe some of those sub plots will be continued and resolved differently.

I enjoyed Ginny's character immensely in the last two books and hope we see much more of her in 7 (although I fear we won't if Harry really does go it alone).

Yes, Ginny was awesome. She is by far my favorite character (except for maybe DD), and for the last couple books I've hoped they would get together.
I have to agree with Queen Weasely: Harry still likes Ginny, and vice versa. And I love LLtWK's idea about her being a sort of stand-in leader for the D.A. Personally, I would think she would go with the trio anyway; it's so fitting for her character to go despite any of their protests. Nevertheless, I know she won't... what with the narration in the paragraph before Harry puts a hold on their ship. But that would be pretty cool if the trio became a quartet.
But back to the subject. Harry and Ginny still like each other, and that's gonna be one of the driving factors in book 7. Harry's comment about Voldemort using her as bait sounds to me like a bit of foreshadowing, seeing as how all the slytherins know about them, and some of them have death eater relatives. Wouldn't that be a romantic final battle?

Hi, Well I'm particularly new here, so, after i have read all that you've been saying, all I can say is a few Harry/Hermione shippers are here.

I'm a Harry/Hermione shipper, but besides, the topic here is what we think, in who will Harry end up with.

I really believe that there are someways that Harry and Hermione can be together. I have a different point of view from people here.

I usually reply my thoughts in the Harry/Hermione thread2, but since it's all been locked up, I just decided to visit here.

Well, most of the people here believe that Harry/Ginny or Harry/Luna ship will be effective. I'm not going to say it's not, besides all of us don't know who will Harry end up with.

In this forum, we're speaking our minds. In what we think...so I think I'll do the same too.

I have listed some clues that might lead to a Harry/Hermione ship, but if your not really convinced, then, your not convinced.
1- they're the only one who holds EACH OTHERS HANDS when running away from trouble (now tell me, does anyone in the Harry potter books ever hold hands?)
2- Harry always cared for Hermione (it's not because SHE"S a girl, she's got a mind of her own and can easily defend herself) remember in the sorcerer's stone; Harry realized that Hermione is in the girl's CR near the dungeons where the troll is supposed to be located! He quickly made Ron help him to save Hermione, so that she can still be alive but accidentally locks up the troll in a room which is the girl's CR where Hermione is! Harry quickly unlocks the door to save DARLING Hermione.
3- When there are quarrels or misunderstandings between Harry and Ron, Hermione always goes with Harry!
4- In order of the phoenix, Harry dreaded Hermione dying from fainting! Hermione fainted because of a death eater who survives Hermione’s spell and quickly grabbed his wand to take his revenge on Hermione but Hermione is too clever to not move! So the death eater missed Hermione a several inches from her chest. But unfortunately Hermione became really shocked and lay motionless on the ground and Harry fell to his feet and in his mind he always keeps saying DON"T LET HER BE DEAD. And what was Harry’s feeling when he heard the news Hermione’s gonna be okay? He felt LIGHT-HEADED as though somebody is in critical condition but miraculously survives the situation.
5- They always have the most thrilling adventures like the time-turner, the choosing of the bottles in SS, and many more.
6- They always date! Haven’t you noticed that Harry and Hermione are engaged in deep conversation while walking around the lake? That’s what simple but romantically lovable lovers do!
7- Harry now sees Hermione as the second prettiest girl in Hogwarts, after that Yule ball in which Hermione is above prettier than anybody else.
8- He always has the feeling whenever Krum’s trying to get Hermione’s attention back to him! That’s jealousy! In GoF, he instantly realizes that Krum’s trying to remind Hermione that he just saved her life!
9- Hermione never had a "meaningful" conversation with Ron, and never spends time with him often. It’s always HARRY who she cares about.
10- Even though Hermione really felt jealous because Ron’s attention is now at fleur, she managed to stay cool because she knows that Harry now admires her deeply than anybody else.
11- NO ONE can take Harry and Hermione away from each other! Ron's got jealous with Harry because Harry’s starting to develop feeling towards Hermione whilst cho is jealous of Hermione because she's the ONLY closest girl in Harry’s life! No matter how cho tried, even though that maybe someday Harry and cho are gonna be together, Harry’s closest girl will always be HERMIONE.
12- Ron never gave Harry a really helpful idea in facing his dark issues! It’s always HERMIONE who always knows and understands Harry better or really helps him better that anyone else.
13- How many times does HERMIONE embraced Harry, while HARRY embraces back? Well it's been 4 times! The first one in the SS, while choosing the bottles that would directly take them through the opposite fires.
Second one in the CoS, after Hermione is back from being petrified by the basilisk's reflected stare.
Third one in the PoA, while hiding from lupin who suddenly changes to an uncontrollable werewolf.
And the fourth one in the OotP, after knowing Harry’s still okay!
14- who's the first ever girl who kissed Harry? HERMIONE!( in the GoF, well yeah it's only in the cheeks, but when cho kissed Harry, is Harry happy? no, he's wondering why cho's crying, while after having been kissed by Hermione in the cheeks, he felt relieved and away from stress.
15- Harry feels very bad when he lied to Hermione when she asked how he’s doing with the mysterious golden egg.
16- Harry’s in deep amazement on how Hermione looks in the Yule Ball in GoF. He said that Hermione’s hair had been very sleek and shiny that she didn’t look like Hermione after all, and her hair is arranged in an elegant bun. And Harry also saw how different Hermione carried herself in the Yule ball. He thought if it’s just because of the absence of 20 books or so.
17- Harry’s the only one who’s really worrying when Hermione’s not around.
18- Hermione is the first person to ever believe that Harry hadn’t done anything when he’s name came out of the Goblet of Fire.
19- Harry always got angry whenever Malfoy, Pansy Parkinson or Snape or other gang of the Slytherins insult or mock Hermione about being a mudblood girl. HE always defends Hermione, as Hermione does for him.
20- Hermione’s embrace in 12 Grimmauld nearly knocked Harry flat on the floor. Do you think it’s just deep platonic relationship? I don’t think so. Ron’s also there, they could have just done a group hug, but why Harry and Hermione only?
21- Hermione always cry when Harry’s always in grave danger.
22- Why isn’t Hermione happy when Ron’s made prefect like her? Why did she think Harry has got the prefect badge? It’s because if Harry has also been made prefect, they (he and Hermione) would probably spend a lot of time together, especially meetings.
23- Hermione’s watching the Quidditch matches when Harry still plays as a seeker so intently. Why does she sleep in a match where Ron’s starting as a keeper? Is that how she really reacts when her preferred guy is playing a match?
24- Harry hides his marks at O.W.Ls to Hermione and said to himself to do better next time. HE doesn’t want to upset Hermione anymore, because he wants her to be impressed with him.
25- Harry’s really proud of Hermione for jinxing their list in D.A meetings.
26- Hermione believes in everything Harry says and do, in other words, she trusts him with all her heart.
27- Hermione is like Lily Potter, Harry’s mother. And Harry is like James, who’s not actually a half-blood bout both of them we’re trying to impress Hermione in Lily in what they do. For instance, Harry doesn’t want to let Hermione down because of his bad marks at his tests, and decided to work harder from now on. Whilst James is trying to impress Lily by hexing different innocent bystanders to prove that he’s brilliant, but because of that Lily is not at all pleased. Hermione for instance isn’t too pleased with Harry not concentrating in his studies. You get the point? Harry and Hermione are like James and Lily in a younger version.
28- Many people think that their both love interests (other people cares) and clearly sees Harry and Hermione to be compatible with each other.

I'm not also in the Harry/Cho ship. From the start, I loathed her, no matter how pretty and popular she is, I'm looking for an excceptional quality in a girl for Harry. And Hermione's got an exceptional quality, so I think it's her whom Harry loves. Just remember when Harry thought Hermione's dead..................he couldn't take it.
see y'all

P.S, We're not Jo Rowling.........we're not the writer of the Harry potter books. It's up to her.

To harry_loves_hermione: You have certainly found some good arguments for the Harry/Hermione relationsship, but I still think, that the right girl for Harry is Ginny.

Harry is very protective of Ginny. At first he tries to convince himself that those feelings are only like brotherly feelings, but finds out that's not the case.

It's often described how "the creature within him" is roaring of jealousy when he watches Ginny with other people. For instance when he and Ron finds Ginny and Dean kissing. Later, when he is seeing Ginny, these feelings are described as pure joy and "something that happens to other people" - not him.

I think Harry and Ginny are almost perfect together, but it might be a problem for them now Harry is to go after Voldemort. I like the idea about Ginny beeing responsable for gathering the rest of DA if needed. I think she could be a good "new leader" for DA with Harry, Ron and Hermione gone after Voldemort and the horcruxes. Somehow I think, that Ginny also has a role in finishing off Voldemort. Remember how Dumbledore always made it clear to Harry, that love makes a great deal of the talents he has to have to kill Voldemort? I think that Harry might need help from people he loves and people who loves him. So that they could all stand together against Voldemort, with the power of love ? I think that could make sense.

Thats my theory

The H/Hr vs R/Hr debate thread was closed because the debate has been answered. Harry loves Ginny and Ron and Hermione are in love. If you haven't read book 6 yet I'm sorry to spoil it for you. If the book alone was not enough to convince you I suggest you read the interview JK Rowling gave Melissa and Emerson which can be found in three parts at the Leaky Cauldron, in which it is confirmed. Now, if we are talking about some hypothetical world of fantasy completely different from the Harry Potter universe as written by JK Rowling, then there is still some point in making arguments about why Harry and Hermione make a better couple.

Myself, I only came on this board to make retractions from my views prior to reading the sixth Harry Potter novel. Fortunately the relationships I liked were fulfilled, even though I thought JK's plan was for Harry and Luna to get together. I must congratulate Muggleview from never wavering from his conviction that Harry and GInny would be an item, and picking up on far more subtle clues than I ever would have.

I think from this point on harry will have trouble being with any other girl besides ginny. he definately wont take hermione from ron, and besides her, there is no one that he would feel happier with. I would run around screaming for joy in they got married one day, but I don't think they'll get that far since the series is ending.

before I begin this post, I would like to start out with- I make opinion statements, I read the books, and interpret them. I never set out to offend anyone, I don't think my comments were offensive, but if someone interprets my comments in a way that they were not intended, I am very sorry. They had an honest-this is how I feel, intent. Please PM me for an apology.

Also- this post will contain Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince Spoilers.

Clues that held strong for H/Hr tend to wilt at my hands, so I'll restrain from using them. They weren't my preferred pairing Pre-HBp or Post-HBP, but I still have a soft spot for it. The one that entices me the most, I'll admit, is H/L.

After the Interview, it seems pretty clear to me what pairings she intended from the beginning. Im a little disappointed, I at least wanted to have H/Hr checked into by the characters and concluded by them that it wasn't going to work out. Ah well, can't always get what ya wanted.

The theory about a decoy girlfriend seems like a nice one. Hermione, I think, would be a more reasonable choice for that roll. I'm getting mixed signals on her abilities to make a fib, I'll admit. In OotP, she fooled everyone but Harry in Umbridge's office, yet the painfully unconvincing act in Knockturn Alley was signal the other way. The reason I think she'd do as a better decoy girlfriend than Luna is simply because 1) Rita Skeeter has made it public what she thinks is going on between them, public enough to maybe convince DE's and Tommy Boy 2) Harry and Hermione have a very close friendship, she be willing enough and 3) If voldemort somehow wants to know if Harry really loved Hermione the answer would be a truthful yes. I think its safe to say that without being accused of taking it out of thin air. {I promise this isn't a H/Hr plug}

H/G, held still for now, hasn't yet been challenged. Something has to shake up the two, and I think a decoy girlfriend would be the right amount of insecurity for Ginny. After four years of waiting, the idea of Harry actually liking her back would still be a a bit of a shock and too good to be true for her. She needs to be able to see that Harry would stay faithful to her even through tough times.

I'm new here, and writing isn't my most proficient skill. Hopefully I stated my point clear enough.

RonandHermioneEqualslove,
Wow, you put a lot of thought into that and it was well written. However, I don't think it's neccessary to plug every little in the face of the H/Hr shippers. By now, most of them accept their ship won't happen but they still prefer it and there's nothing wrong with that. At this point, no arguement (no matter how well written) will convince them so it's probably best to let them have their preference (I mean, they are entitled to it, aren't they?).

Krisharose,
That's a very interesting theory and you're probably right that Hermione would agree to it. However, Harry wouldn't. At this point, I don't think he's going to put anyone he cares about in a position to be Voldemort's number one way of getting to him. I also don't think he would hurt Ginny like that because he really seems to care for her, but it's an interesting theory nonetheless and I can see exactly why you would suggest that.

Look, no offense to you guys here, but really, give the H/Hr bashing a rest, okay?

I've left the SHIPS forum because I feel so strongly about this so I'm speaking more for the sakes of peace and sanity that anything else right now, but you have one VERY annoyed moderator here who is EXCEPTIONALLY..erm....touchy...over the whole H/Hr thing and I'm liable to chuck a HUGE menty fit if people continue to post about it. Yeah, so I'm biased. Sue me.

WE KNOW it's not going to happen. Period.

I really don't see any point inthis thread continuing anyway seeing as how everyone is pretty much set on H/G and JKR has carved it in stone now. I think you're all agreed here anyway that there's nothing left to talk about.

So (sorry Mason) but I'm sick of seeing this bashing now. It might still go on elsewhere, but VTM is a bashing free zone. I suggest you all go back to your supporters only threads...in the interests of peace.