The July 16, 2005 date is nearing. When Harry Potter and the Half-blood Prince is out on that day, there is a possibility some of the (relation-)ships will be shot down. For us who love to debate, the time is short, yet there are many things we still want to discuss about. The big question was not covered: Who will Harry love?
The recent polls on "who do you want to see with Harry in HBP" showed that Ginny took the first place, followed by Luna and Hermione. Therefore, I propose to start by debating the possibility of Harry/Ginny versus Harry with other girl (Sorry! no slash, please. There is already a separate thread for it).
Full Version: H/G Vs H/Other Girl Debate Thread
As I mentioned in the other thread, I would have preferred it if you had consulted one of the moderators before starting another debate thread because people don't seem to understand the concept of debating as opposed to confrontation so I would have liked the rules for the ships threads to be reiterated in the first post. As I no longer have that option, I'm doing it here instead.
If you want to debate here, please make sure you are familiar with not only the rules for the forum but also the additional rules governing the ships threads which you can find here. I don't want to see any R/Hr arguments here - they're irrelevant and there is a place for that here.
I have changed the topic title accordingly.
If you want to debate here, please make sure you are familiar with not only the rules for the forum but also the additional rules governing the ships threads which you can find here. I don't want to see any R/Hr arguments here - they're irrelevant and there is a place for that here.
I have changed the topic title accordingly.
If you compare polls from about three years ago to polls we have now concerning H/? they wouldn't be that different. G/H would still dominate the polls. But I was never one for that ship. I'm more of a H/L shipper. I had what would have been a big post about what I think about this subject, but when I was almost done typing it, the browser closed and I lost all of it. 
Sooooo…. To sum it all up … Ginny is a serial dater and wont settle for someone like Harry especially now that he is depressed about Sirius's death. Harry needs love, because that is something Voldemort can't understand. Where can he get love? (kiddish answer coming up) Luna Lovegood.
Sooooo…. To sum it all up … Ginny is a serial dater and wont settle for someone like Harry especially now that he is depressed about Sirius's death. Harry needs love, because that is something Voldemort can't understand. Where can he get love? (kiddish answer coming up) Luna Lovegood.
Thanks, Louise, for taking care of the rules. I just want to see Veritaserum forum a bit alive.
Baboon's_backside, why do you think H/G is as strong as 3 years ago?
I thought H/Hr was stronger then?
Anyway, here is Harry as I can see him:
- A boy with a story. He is a celebrity in Wizard world, without realizing it, because all happened when he was one year old.
He doesn't like the fame, but cannot escape from it.
- A boy with lonely and abused childhood. He hates Muggle world. He wants to be in the Wizard world where he belongs. He longs for a warm big family to protect and love him in the Wizard world.
- A boy with a habit of facing death. He didn't like to be a marked man, but he is the one bruising with death every year. Living with him means always be prepared for danger.
- A boy with kind heart, like to save people. Despite his own bitter life, he was not influenced by the sudden revelation that he has a lot of wealth.
- A boy with natural ability to play Quidditch, his only pride at Hogwarts.
As for his love interest, I can only see Ginny tailored to be one:
1. She came from a prominent Wizard family, which was easily recognized. She can live with spotlight.
2. She came as the only girl in the Weasley family. She has a big family to accommodate Harry, with all magical things and professions, which is a miniature Wizard world for Harry.
3. She has faced death and not afraid to face one later.
4. She has a kind heart, like to help people, despite being poor.
5. She has natural ability to play Quidditch.
So it's natural if Harry will end up with Ginny, even if until OOP, Harry and Ginny did not seem to be a couple yet. Harry's parents only start dating when they were on the 7th year at Hogwarts.
Baboon's_backside, why do you think H/G is as strong as 3 years ago?
I thought H/Hr was stronger then?
Anyway, here is Harry as I can see him:
- A boy with a story. He is a celebrity in Wizard world, without realizing it, because all happened when he was one year old.
He doesn't like the fame, but cannot escape from it.
- A boy with lonely and abused childhood. He hates Muggle world. He wants to be in the Wizard world where he belongs. He longs for a warm big family to protect and love him in the Wizard world.
- A boy with a habit of facing death. He didn't like to be a marked man, but he is the one bruising with death every year. Living with him means always be prepared for danger.
- A boy with kind heart, like to save people. Despite his own bitter life, he was not influenced by the sudden revelation that he has a lot of wealth.
- A boy with natural ability to play Quidditch, his only pride at Hogwarts.
As for his love interest, I can only see Ginny tailored to be one:
1. She came from a prominent Wizard family, which was easily recognized. She can live with spotlight.
2. She came as the only girl in the Weasley family. She has a big family to accommodate Harry, with all magical things and professions, which is a miniature Wizard world for Harry.
3. She has faced death and not afraid to face one later.
4. She has a kind heart, like to help people, despite being poor.
5. She has natural ability to play Quidditch.
So it's natural if Harry will end up with Ginny, even if until OOP, Harry and Ginny did not seem to be a couple yet. Harry's parents only start dating when they were on the 7th year at Hogwarts.
| QUOTE (muggleview @ Apr 26 2005, 06:32 AM) |
| Thanks, Louise, for taking care of the rules. I just want to see Veritaserum forum a bit alive. |
I understand that, but the trouble is that it's exam season in most places so this place is bound to be a little slower and all the flogging in the world isn't going to make it move any quicker if people are studying. It's something that's likely to continue for at least another two months so I wouldn't hold my breath for much increased traffic for a while if I were you.
I take it that's what you meant by 'alive'. I don't want to even consider the other meaning that comment might have had because I'm likely to go seriously ballistic if I do...I'm sure you meant it the first way...
Good points, muggleview. However, there the same sort of points can be made for Luna as well.
Luna:
1. She came from a prominent Wizard family, which was easily recognized. She can live with spotlight. Her father is editor of the Quibbler.
2. She is an only child, living alone with her father. Making her just as lonely as Harry.
3. She has lost a parent, and so Harry empathises with her.
4. She has a kind heart, and likes to help people, despite their mistreating and misunderstanding her. Like Harry.
5. She is a staunch Quidditch Fan, supporting both her House team, and Gryffindor, the house to which Harry belongs
6. She is a social outcast. As is Harry much of the time, though his standing is somewhat eratic. He is either Hero, or Madman. There is never any gray area.
Also, if Luna and her father end up being correct about some of their wilder fancies, then even Hermione is going to have to show some respect. Luna said that she and her father were going on an expedition over the summer to try and capture a Crumple-horned Snorcack. I'm giving 10-1 odds that they succeed. Let the betting begin
I've also read several comments on the Book 6 Theory boards that Harry may end up falling in love with a completely new character. One was that the "McClaggan" character was a female transfer student from another country. I actually find that rather credible! It would be just like JKR to reveal that there would be a new character and give us such an adult, masculine sounding surname, only for them to end up being a female student. lol.
At this juncture, it is very possible that Harry could fall in love with a completely new character. He's just gotten over Cho, and he's rather depressed about Sirius, so I do not think he will be looking for romance anytime soon. However, if a stunning new student were to begin attending Hogwarts (preferably in the same year, or somewhere near) then Harry may develope another crush despite himself, as he did with Cho.
Crushes like that do not generally spring up amongst old friends. These sort of crushes are generally based off of appearance and first impression. If the new student was amazed to meet the "great Harry Potter" and held him in awe, he could not help but be flattered, I would think. It might be annoying when the Creeveys do it, but a gorgeous young woman that could have any boy in the school . . . That's a different story.
Luna:
1. She came from a prominent Wizard family, which was easily recognized. She can live with spotlight. Her father is editor of the Quibbler.
2. She is an only child, living alone with her father. Making her just as lonely as Harry.
3. She has lost a parent, and so Harry empathises with her.
4. She has a kind heart, and likes to help people, despite their mistreating and misunderstanding her. Like Harry.
5. She is a staunch Quidditch Fan, supporting both her House team, and Gryffindor, the house to which Harry belongs
6. She is a social outcast. As is Harry much of the time, though his standing is somewhat eratic. He is either Hero, or Madman. There is never any gray area.
Also, if Luna and her father end up being correct about some of their wilder fancies, then even Hermione is going to have to show some respect. Luna said that she and her father were going on an expedition over the summer to try and capture a Crumple-horned Snorcack. I'm giving 10-1 odds that they succeed. Let the betting begin
I've also read several comments on the Book 6 Theory boards that Harry may end up falling in love with a completely new character. One was that the "McClaggan" character was a female transfer student from another country. I actually find that rather credible! It would be just like JKR to reveal that there would be a new character and give us such an adult, masculine sounding surname, only for them to end up being a female student. lol.
At this juncture, it is very possible that Harry could fall in love with a completely new character. He's just gotten over Cho, and he's rather depressed about Sirius, so I do not think he will be looking for romance anytime soon. However, if a stunning new student were to begin attending Hogwarts (preferably in the same year, or somewhere near) then Harry may develope another crush despite himself, as he did with Cho.
Crushes like that do not generally spring up amongst old friends. These sort of crushes are generally based off of appearance and first impression. If the new student was amazed to meet the "great Harry Potter" and held him in awe, he could not help but be flattered, I would think. It might be annoying when the Creeveys do it, but a gorgeous young woman that could have any boy in the school . . . That's a different story.
| QUOTE (Long Live the Weasel King! @ Apr 26 2005, 08:13 AM) |
| I've also read several comments on the Book 6 Theory boards that Harry may end up falling in love with a completely new character. One was that the "McClaggan" character was a female transfer student from another country. I actually find that rather credible! It would be just like JKR to reveal that there would be a new character and give us such an adult, masculine sounding surname, only for them to end up being a female student. lol. At this juncture, it is very possible that Harry could fall in love with a completely new character. He's just gotten over Cho, and he's rather depressed about Sirius, so I do not think he will be looking for romance anytime soon. However, if a stunning new student were to begin attending Hogwarts (preferably in the same year, or somewhere near) then Harry may develope another crush despite himself, as he did with Cho. Crushes like that do not generally spring up amongst old friends. These sort of crushes are generally based off of appearance and first impression. If the new student was amazed to meet the "great Harry Potter" and held him in awe, he could not help but be flattered, I would think. It might be annoying when the Creeveys do it, but a gorgeous young woman that could have any boy in the school . . . That's a different story. |
I don't think JK is going to go down the transfer student route, it just seems far to Mary Sueish to me. She may introduce a new character that is already at the school like she did with Luna. Also McClaggan sounds like an Irish/Scottish name, while that is not definitive proof, as names have spread all over the place, it could just mean that they are in fact from one of these places and therefor already belong and Hogwarts.
I don't think Harry would be appreciative (in a romantic way) of some one who admires him for what he has done, he already fancied Cho when he appreciated her comments in the Hogs Head. Harry has had his crush, I think he will fall for some one who he knows a little bit better than he did Cho, but I don't believe this will be Hermione.
I am fully supportive of H/G, and actually I am quite glad that a debate thread was started here, as everyone seems a lot politer here than elsewhere. And in threads where people have like minded ideas, they do tend to move a bit slowly, whether exams are on or not, so thanks Dana_Scully for allowing this thread to stay
I like Luna, but I just can't see her with Harry, I don't know whether it is because he was pitying her at the end or just because she seems a little too 'out there'. Both her and Hermione are extremes, two sides of the same coin, so to speak, I like Ginny for Harry, she seems to fall in the middle somewhere. She seems grounded in the real world, but believes almost anything is possible if you have enough nerve.
Good Luck by the way, if you have exams, thankfully I am done with that until I try for my Masters (if ever)
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| Baboon's_backside, why do you think H/G is as strong as 3 years ago? I thought H/Hr was stronger then? |
Well, three years ago... that would've been 2002. Hang on, when did OotP come out? If it did come out in 2002, like I think it did... well after reading it, I think that everybody (well, I did at least) kind of got the feeling that the H/Hr thing wasn't going to happen ( I think I hear some scowls coming from some H/Hr shippers... wooooo....). SO the other major ship that was left was H/G. H/G wasn't as strong as H/Hr, but it was deffinetely more popular than H/L. Still is, actually. But I'm still for H/L.
Great! Let's start comparing Ginny and Luna for Harry:
One premise: Harry will not fall in love with any of the girls "just because", or "out of the blue". If so, then all the discussions are useless, as Harry can get together with a girl popping up in the last paragraph of Book 7.
1. Wizard family:
Ginny and Luna both come from Wizard family. Dumbledore acknowledge the Weasleys as one of the prominent Wizard family (COS). He never said that for the Lovegoods. It seems that the Lovegoods are not that known. Hermione who studied all wizard families missed the information about Lovegoods. Editor for Quibbler is not a famous position. We don't know the editor for the Daily Prophet. I assume it's the same case as in our normal world, where generally public only knows the publications, not their editors.
The readers first know about the Lovegoods in GOF:
- They live nearby the Weasleys
- They left earlier to the World Quidditch site.
Harry knows wizard world through the Weasleys. The Weasleys are linked to many other wizard families by marriage, but Lovegoods were never mentioned in the links. I can accept that there is a bond somewhere in the past or in the future, but Ron or Sirius did not know the present connection.
IF (a big if) Harry as the hero is to be linked to the wizard world prominently, Ginny is a better choice than Luna.
2. Handling the fame
Ginny has been in the background for a long time, except in COS. Even then, Jo covered her from the view of most students in Hogwarts. For them, Ginny was the victim of Voldemort. Most students only knew that Ginny was kidnapped by Voldemort, but later saved by Harry from the Chamber of Secrets. They did not know that Ginny killed the school roosters, called out basilisks, wrote the messages in blood. Dumbledore never told the full story. So for the students, Ginny was not more famous or infamous than the other basilisk victims.
When Gryffindor won the Quidditch Cup in OOP, Ron got the most credit, so Ginny is again spared from fame.
The ability to be in the background, not attracting too much attention, is important, because there will not be competition of fame with the fame Harry gets.
On the other hand, Luna stands out, with her appearances, remarks and actions (reading upside down). Her connection to Quibbler will not be useful for Harry to escape fame. Luna's father, however understanding he is, would be forced to put Harry's news in the Quibbler, because his stories sell (Daily Prophet would want to buy more interviews, especially if Harry defeats Voldemort).
3. Symphaty to love
Harry symphatized with both Ginny and Luna. The big difference so far, is that he took actions for Ginny and not for Luna. Harry was worried Ginny would be expelled, he would do anything even lying. Harry symphatized with Luna's lost of a parent as much as he with Neville, who also " lost" both his parents (they lost their memories). Harry offered Luna help as a schoolmate, but Luna declined.
Speaking of being lonely, both girls started from the same condition: they seemed not to have close childhood friends (oversight from Jo or overprotection from the parents). Ginny grew up with older brothers, and it was not that fun, as she wrote in Riddle's diary. Ginny was poor, whereas Luna is not. One of the positive thing Harry possesses, his wealth, would be a good complement to Ginny's poverty (Cinderella story).
4. Appearances
Symphaty alone may not lead to love. Harry has to be attracted to the girl. We read so far, there is no single flaw in Ginny's appearance, in contrast to Luna's unfavourable description.
Jokingly, someone said, if HP series was an autobiography of Harry Potter, he'd better not say anything bad about his wife, but he can say others ugly. Of course, in this case, IF the wife is Ginny.
5. Quidditch lover
There is a big difference in sport-lovers: one that likes to play the game and one that likes to watch the game. Usually the players also enjoy watching the games, to learn from others how to play better.
Harry and Ginny are players. Luna is a spectator, and she is more interested in "demonstrative" attributes as a supporter. I feel that Harry can be more connected to Ginny than Luna in Quidditch.
6. Kind heart
The only person Luna has shown understanding is Harry, about Thestrals and death in the family. Luna helped in DA and DOM, because she was with Ginny. It's still dubious whether she did it for Harry or for Ron, since she kept singing "Weasley is the King."
Considering those points, I think Harry suited more with Ginny.
Cheers,
Muggy
One premise: Harry will not fall in love with any of the girls "just because", or "out of the blue". If so, then all the discussions are useless, as Harry can get together with a girl popping up in the last paragraph of Book 7.
1. Wizard family:
Ginny and Luna both come from Wizard family. Dumbledore acknowledge the Weasleys as one of the prominent Wizard family (COS). He never said that for the Lovegoods. It seems that the Lovegoods are not that known. Hermione who studied all wizard families missed the information about Lovegoods. Editor for Quibbler is not a famous position. We don't know the editor for the Daily Prophet. I assume it's the same case as in our normal world, where generally public only knows the publications, not their editors.
The readers first know about the Lovegoods in GOF:
- They live nearby the Weasleys
- They left earlier to the World Quidditch site.
Harry knows wizard world through the Weasleys. The Weasleys are linked to many other wizard families by marriage, but Lovegoods were never mentioned in the links. I can accept that there is a bond somewhere in the past or in the future, but Ron or Sirius did not know the present connection.
IF (a big if) Harry as the hero is to be linked to the wizard world prominently, Ginny is a better choice than Luna.
2. Handling the fame
Ginny has been in the background for a long time, except in COS. Even then, Jo covered her from the view of most students in Hogwarts. For them, Ginny was the victim of Voldemort. Most students only knew that Ginny was kidnapped by Voldemort, but later saved by Harry from the Chamber of Secrets. They did not know that Ginny killed the school roosters, called out basilisks, wrote the messages in blood. Dumbledore never told the full story. So for the students, Ginny was not more famous or infamous than the other basilisk victims.
When Gryffindor won the Quidditch Cup in OOP, Ron got the most credit, so Ginny is again spared from fame.
The ability to be in the background, not attracting too much attention, is important, because there will not be competition of fame with the fame Harry gets.
On the other hand, Luna stands out, with her appearances, remarks and actions (reading upside down). Her connection to Quibbler will not be useful for Harry to escape fame. Luna's father, however understanding he is, would be forced to put Harry's news in the Quibbler, because his stories sell (Daily Prophet would want to buy more interviews, especially if Harry defeats Voldemort).
3. Symphaty to love
Harry symphatized with both Ginny and Luna. The big difference so far, is that he took actions for Ginny and not for Luna. Harry was worried Ginny would be expelled, he would do anything even lying. Harry symphatized with Luna's lost of a parent as much as he with Neville, who also " lost" both his parents (they lost their memories). Harry offered Luna help as a schoolmate, but Luna declined.
Speaking of being lonely, both girls started from the same condition: they seemed not to have close childhood friends (oversight from Jo or overprotection from the parents). Ginny grew up with older brothers, and it was not that fun, as she wrote in Riddle's diary. Ginny was poor, whereas Luna is not. One of the positive thing Harry possesses, his wealth, would be a good complement to Ginny's poverty (Cinderella story).
4. Appearances
Symphaty alone may not lead to love. Harry has to be attracted to the girl. We read so far, there is no single flaw in Ginny's appearance, in contrast to Luna's unfavourable description.
Jokingly, someone said, if HP series was an autobiography of Harry Potter, he'd better not say anything bad about his wife, but he can say others ugly. Of course, in this case, IF the wife is Ginny.
5. Quidditch lover
There is a big difference in sport-lovers: one that likes to play the game and one that likes to watch the game. Usually the players also enjoy watching the games, to learn from others how to play better.
Harry and Ginny are players. Luna is a spectator, and she is more interested in "demonstrative" attributes as a supporter. I feel that Harry can be more connected to Ginny than Luna in Quidditch.
6. Kind heart
The only person Luna has shown understanding is Harry, about Thestrals and death in the family. Luna helped in DA and DOM, because she was with Ginny. It's still dubious whether she did it for Harry or for Ron, since she kept singing "Weasley is the King."
Considering those points, I think Harry suited more with Ginny.
Cheers,
Muggy
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| Ginny was poor, whereas Luna is not. One of the positive thing Harry possesses, his wealth, would be a good complement to Ginny's poverty (Cinderella story) |
Yes, this is a good point, but when you said "one of the positive thing Harry possesses, his wealth..." that made me wonder. Harry doesn't care about the money he has. And Ginny... well, as far as I know, she doesn't seem to care about money either. She's not embarrassed by it as much as Ron is.
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| We read so far, there is no single flaw in Ginny's appearance, in contrast to Luna's unfavourable description. |
Where did it say Luna's appearance was unfavorable? Jo describes her like this,
"She had straggly, waist-length, dirty-blond hair (Well, why should Harry care, he doesn't exactly have the best hair either) very pale eyebrows, and protuberant eyes that gave her a permanently surprised look (this might be a sign that she sees the real Harry and not the one everyone else sees." OotP US Edition, page 185. I don't know about you, but I don't think she sounds ugly. Even if Harry thinks she is, why would that matter? Harry doesn't like his own appearance. And I don't think he really cares for people who are all worried about how they look... for example, Cho, Parvati...
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| Harry and Ginny are players. Luna is a spectator, and she is more interested in "demonstrative" attributes as a supporter. I feel that Harry can be more connected to Ginny than Luna in Quidditch. |
Well, at least Luna shows interest in the sport. Hermione doesn’t show any interest and Harry still gets along with her. Yes, Hermione is a really close friend, but by the end of OotP, Harry seems to care for Luna and Ginny too, but she’s Ron’s little sister.
And where did it say that Ginny is still interested in Harry (other than CoS. I’m talking more recent.) I don’t seem to remember anything. In fact, we hear the opposite. Hermione has to say multiple times that Ginny does not have a crush on Harry anymore. Even if she did, she seems to be more of a “go get ‘em” girl. If she wanted Harry, I think we would have known by now. And since we see things through Harry’s eyes, we know that he hasn’t seen anything either.
As for why I think Luna is more suited for Harry, well, Well, here it is. My thoughts about Harry and Luna
Even the boy who lived needs the Moons Love
By: Baboon's_Backside
Every school day at recess, I find the need of some good old Harry Potter “fanaticismness”. I quench my everlasting thirst by going to MuggleNet and reading up on the latest HP news. I realize that many of you Harry Potter maniacs are wondering about this puzzling question…who will Harry end up with?
I’ve heard many opinions… probably the most famous pairing (infamous to some of you) would be, Harry and Hermione. Another is the Harry and Ginny shipping. And yes, there always is the Harry and Draco shipping…. But there aren’t many people mentioning Luna as a possible candidate.
Luna may seem like the weirdo who’s just there for no reason at all. But she is not, in fact, just a back round character, but really plays a very important role in Harry’s life.
Let us start off with the basics. It is said that the only thing Voldemort can’t understand is love. Throughout his life, Harry goes through a lot of grief and sorrow. If there’s one thing Harry needs right now, it’s love. When you think about this you have completed step #1. Next?
Who loves Harry? We don’t know who Harry likes/loves at the end of OotP, so we must say who fancies/will fancy our beloved hero? Well, I’ve asked myself this ever since I’d started reading HP, but I didn’t really know until the end of OotP. That bitter sweet moment where harry met up with Luna during the end-of-year feast. Luna tell s Harry that people take her things at the end of the year. Hearing this, Harry feels sorry for her.
“‘How come people hide your stuff?”
‘Oh… well… I think they think I’m a bit odd, you know. Some people call me “Looney” Lovegood, actually.’” With this, we know that Luna, who had always seemed so distant, had known all along how people felt about her, and what they said behind her back. But yet she seems unfazed by her peer’s teasing.
Harry can relate to her here because he too knows what people say about him (and with Draco as your nemesis, how could you not?). He knows what it’s like meing shunted away from others, like when he said Voldemort was back. Students do the same to Luna and her wacky ideas and beliefs (but Harry’s aren’t weird of course).
Next, the subject of Sirius comes up. Luna is the first (living) person Harry talks to about Sirius’s death. He wouldn’t tell Ron or Hermione how he felt, and they are his best friends. Of course, Luna, unlike Ron or Hermione, knows how it feels to lose someone you love. I think that Harry will need someone like Luna to talk to, especially with the up coming events which we all know will be full of death and tragedy.
And here, probably the best part in this section is,
“She walked away from him, and as he watched her go, he found that he terrible weight in his stomach seemed to have lessened slightly.”
This passage proves my point. Harry felt better after he talked with Luna, which was exactly what he needed.
And so, my fellow Potter-o-phials, I ask of you this… if you insist on putting Miss. Lovegood down, if you think her crazy… well, obviously, that doesn’t matter seeing as how Harry chooses who he like. Okay, so it’s really Jo who does the paring (lucky).
That concludes my theory. By now, you probably have noticed that I don’t have a PhD. and I have not even started high school… but I can assure you that I am, and always will be, devoted to the Harry Potter series. Thank you.
Well, has been fun. I hope this continues! Cheers!
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Baboon's_Backside Posted on Apr 28 2005, 10:51 AM
Well, I hope that last post wasn't too long! Eep! Oh, and just wanted to say that I entered a poem about fear and It went to my district! ya! Even though I got an honorable mention, I'm still pretty happeeeee!!!
And where did it say that Ginny is still interested in Harry (other than CoS. I’m talking more recent.) I don’t seem to remember anything. In fact, we hear the opposite. Hermione has to say multiple times that Ginny does not have a crush on Harry anymore. Even if she did, she seems to be more of a “go get ‘em” girl. If she wanted Harry, I think we would have known by now. And since we see things through Harry’s eyes, we know that he hasn’t seen anything either.
As for why I think Luna is more suited for Harry, well, Well, here it is. My thoughts about Harry and Luna
Even the boy who lived needs the Moons Love
By: Baboon's_Backside
Every school day at recess, I find the need of some good old Harry Potter “fanaticismness”. I quench my everlasting thirst by going to MuggleNet and reading up on the latest HP news. I realize that many of you Harry Potter maniacs are wondering about this puzzling question…who will Harry end up with?
I’ve heard many opinions… probably the most famous pairing (infamous to some of you) would be, Harry and Hermione. Another is the Harry and Ginny shipping. And yes, there always is the Harry and Draco shipping…. But there aren’t many people mentioning Luna as a possible candidate.
Luna may seem like the weirdo who’s just there for no reason at all. But she is not, in fact, just a back round character, but really plays a very important role in Harry’s life.
Let us start off with the basics. It is said that the only thing Voldemort can’t understand is love. Throughout his life, Harry goes through a lot of grief and sorrow. If there’s one thing Harry needs right now, it’s love. When you think about this you have completed step #1. Next?
Who loves Harry? We don’t know who Harry likes/loves at the end of OotP, so we must say who fancies/will fancy our beloved hero? Well, I’ve asked myself this ever since I’d started reading HP, but I didn’t really know until the end of OotP. That bitter sweet moment where harry met up with Luna during the end-of-year feast. Luna tell s Harry that people take her things at the end of the year. Hearing this, Harry feels sorry for her.
“‘How come people hide your stuff?”
‘Oh… well… I think they think I’m a bit odd, you know. Some people call me “Looney” Lovegood, actually.’” With this, we know that Luna, who had always seemed so distant, had known all along how people felt about her, and what they said behind her back. But yet she seems unfazed by her peer’s teasing.
Harry can relate to her here because he too knows what people say about him (and with Draco as your nemesis, how could you not?). He knows what it’s like meing shunted away from others, like when he said Voldemort was back. Students do the same to Luna and her wacky ideas and beliefs (but Harry’s aren’t weird of course).
Next, the subject of Sirius comes up. Luna is the first (living) person Harry talks to about Sirius’s death. He wouldn’t tell Ron or Hermione how he felt, and they are his best friends. Of course, Luna, unlike Ron or Hermione, knows how it feels to lose someone you love. I think that Harry will need someone like Luna to talk to, especially with the up coming events which we all know will be full of death and tragedy.
And here, probably the best part in this section is,
“She walked away from him, and as he watched her go, he found that he terrible weight in his stomach seemed to have lessened slightly.”
This passage proves my point. Harry felt better after he talked with Luna, which was exactly what he needed.
And so, my fellow Potter-o-phials, I ask of you this… if you insist on putting Miss. Lovegood down, if you think her crazy… well, obviously, that doesn’t matter seeing as how Harry chooses who he like. Okay, so it’s really Jo who does the paring (lucky).
That concludes my theory. By now, you probably have noticed that I don’t have a PhD. and I have not even started high school… but I can assure you that I am, and always will be, devoted to the Harry Potter series. Thank you.
Well, has been fun. I hope this continues! Cheers!
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Baboon's_Backside Posted on Apr 28 2005, 10:51 AM
Well, I hope that last post wasn't too long! Eep! Oh, and just wanted to say that I entered a poem about fear and It went to my district! ya! Even though I got an honorable mention, I'm still pretty happeeeee!!!
I have to admit, that first description is not very flattering. "Straggly hair" and "protuberant eyes" are not the words one generally chooses to describe a beautiful woman.
But beauty isn't everything, as Backside said. The Patil twins are said to be the prettiest girls in Harry's year, but neither Harry nor Ron were interested in them, even though they were going to the Ball together. Harry only asked them as a last resort.
I didn't understand some of your other points, Muggleview, such as:
"Harry symphatized with both Ginny and Luna. The big difference so far, is that he took actions for Ginny and not for Luna. Harry was worried Ginny would be expelled, he would do anything even lying."
When did Harry lie for Ginny? Are you talking about the end of CoS? Yes, he was worried that people would believe Ginny was acting of her own accord, and not being possessed by a book, but he never lied for her. Dumbledore knew his dilema and took matters out of his hands by blaming the book first.
As the problem with H/Hr, the biggest problem with H/G is that Harry has not shown the same sort of interest in Ginny as he did with Cho. Even at the end of the year, when he was over Cho, Harry did not want to talk to Hermione OR Ginny about Sirius, and went out of his way to avoid them, along with his other friends, Ron and Hagrid, etc. It was only Luna that he could talk to.
Unfortunately, the book ended there, so we had no chance to see how that would develope.
Ginny was also reading the Quibbler upside down at the end of OotP, if you will recall, so that does not exactly count against Luna per se. She was simply reading the article as it was meant to be read. Though, you are right in that people seeing that without knowing what she was doing would find it rather strange.
As for Harry escaping fame, I don't think that is possible, and I think he has come to grudgingly accept that fact. Having Mr. Lovegood as a friend would at least ensure that some stories were being printed about Harry that showed him in a favorable light.
I think we will see some clues to these possible outcomes early on in HBP. If Harry goes to the Burrow again, there is a strong possibility that he will see Luna outside of Hogwarts. The Lovegoods live near the same town as the Weasleys. Also, the Lovegoods are not rich, or even wealthy. If you remember the Quibbler had a small following, and Luna says her father does not care about money, he just wanted to report the truth, or something along those lines. He was very surprised that the edition with Harry's article sold out. Mr Diggory also says in GoF that the Lovegoods couldn't get tickets to the World Cup, so they would not be coming. When Luna tells Harry that they were going on an expedition to find a Crumple Horned Snorcack over the summer, I believe she also says something about "since the magazine is doing so well" or "with the money my Father made from your article" or something along those lines. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)
All of those points point to the Lovegoods being not much better off than the Weasleys, which sort of makes your wealth point invalid.
I have pointed out the things which show Luna's true character before, and Backside referred to a couple of them in their last post as well. There has simply not been enough written about her to really know her better than we know Ginny. However, the fact that she has only been in the books a short time, and Harry has already connected with her on a deeper level than Ginny is one of the things which make me believe JKR introduced her specifically for Harry to fall in love with. Her name itself is a clue.
Oh, one last thing!
But beauty isn't everything, as Backside said. The Patil twins are said to be the prettiest girls in Harry's year, but neither Harry nor Ron were interested in them, even though they were going to the Ball together. Harry only asked them as a last resort.
I didn't understand some of your other points, Muggleview, such as:
"Harry symphatized with both Ginny and Luna. The big difference so far, is that he took actions for Ginny and not for Luna. Harry was worried Ginny would be expelled, he would do anything even lying."
When did Harry lie for Ginny? Are you talking about the end of CoS? Yes, he was worried that people would believe Ginny was acting of her own accord, and not being possessed by a book, but he never lied for her. Dumbledore knew his dilema and took matters out of his hands by blaming the book first.
As the problem with H/Hr, the biggest problem with H/G is that Harry has not shown the same sort of interest in Ginny as he did with Cho. Even at the end of the year, when he was over Cho, Harry did not want to talk to Hermione OR Ginny about Sirius, and went out of his way to avoid them, along with his other friends, Ron and Hagrid, etc. It was only Luna that he could talk to.
Unfortunately, the book ended there, so we had no chance to see how that would develope.
Ginny was also reading the Quibbler upside down at the end of OotP, if you will recall, so that does not exactly count against Luna per se. She was simply reading the article as it was meant to be read. Though, you are right in that people seeing that without knowing what she was doing would find it rather strange.
As for Harry escaping fame, I don't think that is possible, and I think he has come to grudgingly accept that fact. Having Mr. Lovegood as a friend would at least ensure that some stories were being printed about Harry that showed him in a favorable light.
I think we will see some clues to these possible outcomes early on in HBP. If Harry goes to the Burrow again, there is a strong possibility that he will see Luna outside of Hogwarts. The Lovegoods live near the same town as the Weasleys. Also, the Lovegoods are not rich, or even wealthy. If you remember the Quibbler had a small following, and Luna says her father does not care about money, he just wanted to report the truth, or something along those lines. He was very surprised that the edition with Harry's article sold out. Mr Diggory also says in GoF that the Lovegoods couldn't get tickets to the World Cup, so they would not be coming. When Luna tells Harry that they were going on an expedition to find a Crumple Horned Snorcack over the summer, I believe she also says something about "since the magazine is doing so well" or "with the money my Father made from your article" or something along those lines. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)
All of those points point to the Lovegoods being not much better off than the Weasleys, which sort of makes your wealth point invalid.
I have pointed out the things which show Luna's true character before, and Backside referred to a couple of them in their last post as well. There has simply not been enough written about her to really know her better than we know Ginny. However, the fact that she has only been in the books a short time, and Harry has already connected with her on a deeper level than Ginny is one of the things which make me believe JKR introduced her specifically for Harry to fall in love with. Her name itself is a clue.
Oh, one last thing!
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I couldn't agree more. Still, they are fun.
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| Yes, this is a good point, but when you said "one of the positive thing Harry possesses, his wealth..." that made me wonder. Harry doesn't care about the money he has. And Ginny... well, as far as I know, she doesn't seem to care about money either. She's not embarrassed by it as much as Ron is. |
It's easy not to care about wealth, when one is wealthy. Yes, Harry and Ginny are not amused by wealth, but considering how poor the Weasleys are, what a happy ending will it be if Harry can give them relief by taking care of Ginny in prosperity she did not experience in her childhood. As the only girl in the family, Ginny used to keep things to herself. Cleverly, Jo used Riddle's diary to tell us a glimpse of her worries and woes:
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She did not lament on her poverty. She bravely faced the world with low self-esteem, secondhand things and zero hope to impress the person she loves. The readers (and Harry) won't be able to see her inner turmoil, if not from the diary.
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Where did it say Luna's appearance was unfavorable? Jo describes her like this, "She had straggly, waist-length, dirty-blond hair (Well, why should Harry care, he doesn't exactly have the best hair either) very pale eyebrows, and protuberant eyes that gave her a permanently surprised look (this might be a sign that she sees the real Harry and not the one everyone else sees." OotP US Edition, page 185. I don't know about you, but I don't think she sounds ugly. Even if Harry thinks she is, why would that matter? Harry doesn't like his own appearance. And I don't think he really cares for people who are all worried about how they look... for example, Cho, Parvati.... |
Harry has untidy hair, but it doesn't mean he likes girl with untidy hair.
Harry does know what a pretty girl is, but it does not mean he has to fall in love with every pretty girl. I think we agree on this. Learning his lesson from Cho, he will be wiser not to get attracted by look only (as Arthur in GOF and Ron in OOP emphasized). The argument that can be said for Ginny vs. Luna is only the impression Harry got from their usual look. Is it the look he can stand to see every day of his future life? (it's fiction, so remember only the phrase "ever after"). I argue that Ginny's appearance is more favourable than Luna's, although neither was said to be as pretty as Cho. Ginny's hair was never described as straggly or bushy. In GOF, while talking about Bill's hair, Ginny showed she cared about hair, so she might not leave her hair untidy.
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We both agree that H/Hr is a more remote possibility than H/G and H/L.
Harry seems to "care" for Luna only during their incidental conversation, when both skipped the feast at the end of OOP.
"Care" here is actually "symphaty", not "attraction".
After the conversation, Luna disappeared from Harry's mind. "She walked away from him" (OOP ch 38). No more Luna until the end of OOP.
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And where did it say that Ginny is still interested in Harry (other than CoS. I’m talking more recent.) I don’t seem to remember anything. In fact, we hear the opposite. Hermione has to say multiple times that Ginny does not have a crush on Harry anymore. Even if she did, she seems to be more of a “go get ‘em” girl. If she wanted Harry, I think we would have known by now. And since we see things through Harry’s eyes, we know that he hasn’t seen anything either. |
Correction: Hermione only said it once. The statement was:
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I interpret the statement as Ginny had decided not to wait for Harry anymore. She moved on by accepting Michael's dating invitation. However, Hermione knows that Ginny still bears affection to Harry.
I am surprised that you also think "crush" cannot be "real love".
Whatever Ginny did before (in book 1-4) showed she wanted Harry. but the readers were made not to believe the feeling of a growing teenager. I recently met an older couple who knows each other since they were children. It's a miracle, they said, but they never had any other lovers. It's possible and we just have to wait if Jo really means to use this style.
Ginny did several, but significant things in OOP for Harry:
1. She recruited students for DA.
2. She quelled his temper in "Christmas in closed ward", relieved him from his fear that Voldemort used him as a weapon.
3. She helped him to talk to Sirius (after sharing chocolate in library)
4. She helped him to try to reach Sirius the second time (but being captured by Umbridge and Malfoy's squad)
5. After taking care of Malfoy and his squad, she accompanied him to DOM.
If Harry didn't see it, it doesn't mean Ginny didn't try. Many girls giggled at Harry for Yule Ball, but Harry just bruised them off. Harry was not sensitive to a girl's feeling. He failed to understand Cho, whom he was clearly attracted. How can we expect him to see the feeling of other girl? Remember that Hermione said: "Harry, you are worse than Ron... no, you are not"? Harry is on the level of Ron to understand girls.
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As for why I think Luna is more suited for Harry, well, Well, here it is. My thoughts about Harry and Luna Even the boy who lived needs the Moons Love And here, probably the best part in this section is, “She walked away from him, and as he watched her go, he found that he terrible weight in his stomach seemed to have lessened slightly.” This passage proves my point. Harry felt better after he talked with Luna, which was exactly what he needed. Well, I hope that last post wasn't too long! Eep! Oh, and just wanted to say that I entered a poem about fear and It went to my district! ya! Even though I got an honorable mention, I'm still pretty happeeeee!!! |
It is a very nice article and most of your thoughts are valid. We disagree on the larger implication of the last statement. To me Harry felt better about Sirius, but he did not remember Luna anymore.
Congratulations for your poem. I admire your ability, from what I see in your postings.
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When did Harry lie for Ginny? Are you talking about the end of CoS? Yes, he was worried that people would believe Ginny was acting of her own accord, and not being possessed by a book, but he never lied for her. Dumbledore knew his dilema and took matters out of his hands by blaming the book first. |
LLtWK! I interpret it from this quote:
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Harry was hiding some truth and pondering not to say it. He didn't lie, yet, because Dumbledore interfered, as you said.
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| Mr Diggory also says in GoF that the Lovegoods couldn't get tickets to the World Cup, so they would not be coming. When Luna tells Harry that they were going on an expedition to find a Crumple Horned Snorcack over the summer, I believe she also says something about "since the magazine is doing so well" or "with the money my Father made from your article" or something along those lines. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.) All of those points point to the Lovegoods being not much better off than the Weasleys, which sort of makes your wealth point invalid. |
No, not the Lovegoods. The Lovegoods could even afford to stay for a week longer than the Weasleys.
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| "Must be nearly time," said Mr. Weasley quickly, pulling out his watch again. "Do you know whether we're waiting for any more, Amos?" "No, the Lovegoods have been there for a week already and the Fawcetts couldn't get tickets," said Mr. Diggory. "There aren't any more of us in this area, are there?" (GOF ch 6) |
You are right about the expedition, although it gives me an impression the expedition requires a lot of time and money, since nobody has found it before, so something that only people with extra cash can do.
With the correction, I beg you to reconsider the validity of my comments.
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| There has simply not been enough written about her to really know her better than we know Ginny. However, the fact that she has only been in the books a short time, and Harry has already connected with her on a deeper level than Ginny is one of the things which make me believe JKR introduced her specifically for Harry to fall in love with. Her name itself is a clue. |
I disagree that Harry has connected to Luna on a deeper level than Ginny. It contradicted the fact that Ginny and Harry has a wizard-debt bond and Voldemort soul bond, whereas there is no such bond with Luna at this point.
You may interpret "deeper level" by the value of the subject Harry and Luna were talking about. Yes, they are talking about death, a big issue for humanity, something Ron, Hermione and Ginny did not experience. But that's the only one subject (Thestrals belong to the same subject of death). Harry did not take Luna's other words seriously (Harry was embarrassed once about the nargles, when he spoke to Cho).
"Deeper level" for me is touching more aspects in life. Harry can talk to Ginny more openly, even close to bickering. During the scenes preceeding the battle at DOM, Harry spoke more intensively with Ginny. Here is a link to their conversations.
Speaking about names, have you read "A little white horse", a book highly recommended Jo Rowling?
The main character, a red-haired, 8-year old girl, embarked in an adventure with a boy, meeting Moonprincess and the little white horse.
I don't think Jo will duplicate any plot from that book, but she paid some tributes to it. Two women with red-hair in HP series are Lily and Ginny. The Moonprincess is a mysterious character, which may be referred to Luna. How about it?
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Well, I think we all can guess that the ending of the last book wont be entirely "happy." And why should Harry need money to take care of Ginny? Mr. and Mrs. Weasley have raised seven kids, and they've all turned out alright (with one little acception for Percy.)
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Actually... no.... I don't think that H/Hr is more obvious. I actually think the exact opposite. No... H/Hr... meh.. well, I won't go on with that seeing as this is supposed to be about Harry/Ginny...Harry/Other.
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Meaningless to quote that, but... I suppose you're right. But If Hermione says it, then I believe her. She's very close to Ginny. And didn't.. correct me if I'm wrong, since I dont have my ootP copy with me at the moment since I'm at school... But didn't Ginny say it herself that she doesn't like Harry anymore? She might've hidden her feelings before but I don't think she does now. Remember how she just came out and said that Roger cared a lot about Cho at the end of the quidditch match, so she just ditched him? I think that Ginny is a very independant woman (or will be soon.)Nothing will stand in her way. I don't think that she (Ginny) really cares about what others think about her.
[QUOTE=Backside]Well, I think we all can guess that the ending of the last book wont be entirely "happy." And why should Harry need money to take care of Ginny? Mr. and Mrs. Weasley have raised seven kids, and they've all turned out alright (with one little acception for Percy.)[/QUOTE]
Jo said she aims for a Happy Ending. How happy? I don't dare to guess. It won't be that happy if any of the major characters die.
Once again, money is not an important issue for the romance. The nice thing for the ending is when our main pair can enjoy a bit of prosperous life, with Harry's wealth.
[QUOTE=Backside]Actually... no.... I don't think that H/Hr is more obvious. I actually think the exact opposite. No... H/Hr... meh.. well, I won't go on with that seeing as this is supposed to be about Harry/Ginny...Harry/Other.[/QUOTE]
H/Hr is part of Harry/Other. I won't argue if you said the possibility of H/Hr is almost nil.
[QUOTE=].. correct me if I'm wrong, ... But didn't Ginny say it herself that she doesn't like Harry anymore? She might've hidden her feelings before but I don't think she does now. Remember how she just came out and said that Roger cared a lot about Cho at the end of the quidditch match, so she just ditched him? I think that Ginny is a very independant woman (or will be soon.)Nothing will stand in her way. I don't think that she (Ginny) really cares about what others think about her.[/QUOTE]
No. Ginny had never said she doesn't like Harry anymore. That's why Ginny is still the best candidate for Harry.
Yes. She ditched Michael after he sulked because Gryffindor (Ginny) beat Ravenclaw (Cho). Then, Michael went to Cho.
I think the last sentence is for Hermione. She ignored the papers attacking her love life.
Jo said she aims for a Happy Ending. How happy? I don't dare to guess. It won't be that happy if any of the major characters die.
Once again, money is not an important issue for the romance. The nice thing for the ending is when our main pair can enjoy a bit of prosperous life, with Harry's wealth.
[QUOTE=Backside]Actually... no.... I don't think that H/Hr is more obvious. I actually think the exact opposite. No... H/Hr... meh.. well, I won't go on with that seeing as this is supposed to be about Harry/Ginny...Harry/Other.[/QUOTE]
H/Hr is part of Harry/Other. I won't argue if you said the possibility of H/Hr is almost nil.
[QUOTE=].. correct me if I'm wrong, ... But didn't Ginny say it herself that she doesn't like Harry anymore? She might've hidden her feelings before but I don't think she does now. Remember how she just came out and said that Roger cared a lot about Cho at the end of the quidditch match, so she just ditched him? I think that Ginny is a very independant woman (or will be soon.)Nothing will stand in her way. I don't think that she (Ginny) really cares about what others think about her.[/QUOTE]
No. Ginny had never said she doesn't like Harry anymore. That's why Ginny is still the best candidate for Harry.
Yes. She ditched Michael after he sulked because Gryffindor (Ginny) beat Ravenclaw (Cho). Then, Michael went to Cho.
I think the last sentence is for Hermione. She ignored the papers attacking her love life.
Interesting points all, but there are a few problems with the Harry/Ginny scenario that I can see.
1. Ron. The newly-promoted-prefect-probably-gonna-be-head-boy, overprotective older brother. The guy who's constantly trying to "hook them up." I can't imagine how annoying that would be to both Harry and Ginny, especially since Ginny now seems to be over her crush on Harry, not that she doesn't like him, of course, but she's moved on. Ron is constantly trying to push Ginny in Harry's direction because he seems to think it'll keep her "safe", and I just can't see Harry going for it on that basis alone. Besides, he'd be seeing his best friend's little sister, and that's gotta be a bit awkward.
2. Quidditch. Now that Ron AND Ginny are key players on the Gryffindor team, this creates another source of potential tension. Harry's effectively being replaced as Seeker by Ginny, who is almost as good as he is. True, she didn't get as much credit for the victory in OotP as Ron did, but I think that was for dramatic value on Rowling's part. Ginny being Seeker gives them something to talk about, but also places her in direct competition with Harry over something he really loves.
3. Interest. Harry's never shown any interest in Ginny. This could be down to the age difference, though. She's two years younger than he is, and in high school that might as well be a generation. True, he's saved her life once, and she was important in the battle at the Ministry, but everything I've seen indicates to me that he views her as more of a little sister than anything else.
Not that these problems can't be overcome. I just think it won't be likely to happen while they're both still in school. Ginny has a lot going for her - level headed, strong willed, good sense of humor, exceptional talent, and, of course, she's a good looking redhead (always a plus). But the negatives are too strong at the moment.
Stubby
1. Ron. The newly-promoted-prefect-probably-gonna-be-head-boy, overprotective older brother. The guy who's constantly trying to "hook them up." I can't imagine how annoying that would be to both Harry and Ginny, especially since Ginny now seems to be over her crush on Harry, not that she doesn't like him, of course, but she's moved on. Ron is constantly trying to push Ginny in Harry's direction because he seems to think it'll keep her "safe", and I just can't see Harry going for it on that basis alone. Besides, he'd be seeing his best friend's little sister, and that's gotta be a bit awkward.
2. Quidditch. Now that Ron AND Ginny are key players on the Gryffindor team, this creates another source of potential tension. Harry's effectively being replaced as Seeker by Ginny, who is almost as good as he is. True, she didn't get as much credit for the victory in OotP as Ron did, but I think that was for dramatic value on Rowling's part. Ginny being Seeker gives them something to talk about, but also places her in direct competition with Harry over something he really loves.
3. Interest. Harry's never shown any interest in Ginny. This could be down to the age difference, though. She's two years younger than he is, and in high school that might as well be a generation. True, he's saved her life once, and she was important in the battle at the Ministry, but everything I've seen indicates to me that he views her as more of a little sister than anything else.
Not that these problems can't be overcome. I just think it won't be likely to happen while they're both still in school. Ginny has a lot going for her - level headed, strong willed, good sense of humor, exceptional talent, and, of course, she's a good looking redhead (always a plus). But the negatives are too strong at the moment.
Stubby
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| S_Boardman,Apr 30 2005, 05:16 AM Interesting points all, but there are a few problems with the Harry/Ginny scenario that I can see. 1. Ron. The newly-promoted-prefect-probably-gonna-be-head-boy, overprotective older brother. The guy who's constantly trying to "hook them up." I can't imagine how annoying that would be to both Harry and Ginny, especially since Ginny now seems to be over her crush on Harry, not that she doesn't like him, of course, but she's moved on. Ron is constantly trying to push Ginny in Harry's direction because he seems to think it'll keep her "safe", and I just can't see Harry going for it on that basis alone. Besides, he'd be seeing his best friend's little sister, and that's gotta be a bit awkward. |
That's probably where most the humour will come from
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| 2. Quidditch. Now that Ron AND Ginny are key players on the Gryffindor team, this creates another source of potential tension. Harry's effectively being replaced as Seeker by Ginny, who is almost as good as he is. True, she didn't get as much credit for the victory in OotP as Ron did, but I think that was for dramatic value on Rowling's part. Ginny being Seeker gives them something to talk about, but also places her in direct competition with Harry over something he really loves. |
Ginny wants to be chaser, not seeker. In theory Harry gets to be seeker and Ginny will be a chaser. Problem solved, Ginny seemed quite keen to have Harry back, she reminded him the ban was only while Umbridge was about.
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| 3. Interest. Harry's never shown any interest in Ginny. This could be down to the age difference, though. She's two years younger than he is, and in high school that might as well be a generation. True, he's saved her life once, and she was important in the battle at the Ministry, but everything I've seen indicates to me that he views her as more of a little sister than anything else. |
Harry hasn't shown interest in any one except Cho... we are all having to judge by something else other than Harry's actual romantic interest. She is one year and one month younger than him. Also Harry has dated a girl in the year above, and Ginny has dated someone in the year above. I aggree to some extent about the little sister, but that can easily change, infact the DoM may have already changed that, we will have to wait until HBP to see for sure
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| Not that these problems can't be overcome. I just think it won't be likely to happen while they're both still in school. Ginny has a lot going for her - level headed, strong willed, good sense of humor, exceptional talent, and, of course, she's a good looking redhead (always a plus). But the negatives are too strong at the moment. Stubby |
Yep she has a lot going for her, but so far she has no more going against her than any one else, I would say she has more going for her than other choices.
well I may not be able to reply anytime soon (might be able to squeeze in some posts at work) but I am moving house today, and my connection will take ten working days to transfer
So bye for now...
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| S_Boardman,Apr 30 2005, 05:16 AM Interesting points all, but there are a few problems with the Harry/Ginny scenario that I can see. 1. Ron. The newly-promoted-prefect-probably-gonna-be-head-boy, overprotective older brother. The guy who's constantly trying to "hook them up." I can't imagine how annoying that would be to both Harry and Ginny, especially since Ginny now seems to be over her crush on Harry, not that she doesn't like him, of course, but she's moved on. Ron is constantly trying to push Ginny in Harry's direction because he seems to think it'll keep her "safe", and I just can't see Harry going for it on that basis alone. Besides, he'd be seeing his best friend's little sister, and that's gotta be a bit awkward. |
Picking up where cerussite decided to skip:
a. Ron only suggested Ginny to choose Harry after witnessing how Harry goggled at Ginny when she informed everyone about ditching Michael.
b. Ginny already shot a salvo at Ron to mind his own business by vaguely declaring to "choose" Dean Thomas, instead of Ron's choice, Harry, and at the same shooting a warning to Harry to act, because she will not just sit there and wait for him forever.
c. If Ron interferes too much, Hermione will drag Ron away again, like the last time when Harry and Cho were to be left alon. Hermione might not drag Ron "above the elbow", but by "pinching his ear"
d. In OOP, we start to see that Harry and Ginny started bickering a bit (in the conversations leading to the battle at DOM). Harry seems to readily capitulate at Ginny's every wish (taking them in the mission to get to Umbridge's fireplace, taking them to DOM etc.), something he did not do to other girls, including Cho and Hermione.
I think that Harry will end up with a character but don't have that knowledge do we .
well I thin Harry will end up with either Hermione, Ginny, or Luna
Though j.k has promised us a r/hr romance she never said it would last
well I thin Harry will end up with either Hermione, Ginny, or Luna
Though j.k has promised us a r/hr romance she never said it would last
Wow, it's been what, three days? lol
Okay, to start, I will just reiterate where I left off in my points against muggleview. It was the Fawcetts and not the Lovegoods who did not attend the QWC, the Lovegoods had been there a week all ready, thanks for reminding me. I didn't look it up.
A fact which does not prove them wealthy, but shows that they are not. If you will recall, it was said that people who bought cheap tickets had to arrive days, even weeks in advance, do to the scheduling problems with the portkeys and such. The fact that the Lovegoods had been there a week shows that they got cheap tickets.
Also, the money they are using on their expedition came as a result of Harry's article selling so many magazines. They decided to use this money to do something they had always wanted to do, but could never afford, go on an extended, expensive expedition to attempt to find a Crumple-horned Snorcack.
Not that that makes any difference in this debate. I just take it to mean that you should probably not try to use the Lovegoods being wealthy and Ginny being poor as a point. I mean, when the Weasleys came across some money, they used it to go on vacation as well.
Also, Harry is not really "wealthy" as he is a teenage boy. If I was 11 years old walking into a bank vault that contained all of my parents money in cash, I'd think I was rich too. I would say he is well off, but his wealth in no way compares to that of the Malfoys and such. Perhaps Sirius will have left his money to him as well, and then he will be rich.
Still, I see what you're saying. Basically, that his wealth could benifit Ginny more than Harry. I really hope he does not consider such things while trying to decide who he falls in love with.
You pretty much proved my point with the Harry lying for Ginny thing, so I'll skip that.
About the bonding thing. Harry and Ginny have definately become closer in the last book. I would say it began when Hermione told him that Ginny had "gotten over Harry ages ago." Next time you read the books, check it out. I've begun reading them again, so I'll get back to you with my views on that matter once I've finished. It's not going as quickly as usual, what with visiting this site every day lol. You guys probably won't see much of me when Book 6 comes out. Not for a few days at least!
I recall seeing evidence of situations such as the link you provided to Harry and Ginny's conversations, and that it showed more than friendship before. However, they were passages showing Harry and Hermione together, and it was an H/Hr argument. I will use the same point here. None of that shows anything more than the interaction between two good friends.
When Harry could talk to no one else, he allowed himself to talk to Luna. Why? Because he connected with her. He empathized and felt similarities between them.
This does not show romance either. Infact, there is no evidence showing romance between Harry and Luna at all. Actually, come to think of it, there is no evidence showing a romantic connection between anyone but Harry and Cho. All the reasons for my shipping beliefs in regards to Harry and Ginny comes from authorial intent. I believe JK gave us clues in the DoM. I think she paired the six on several occassions in that entire section, and she kept them in those pairs throughout the remainder of the novel. For more on that, see this thread. DoM. Possible Ship Foreshadowing?
To which I will add a point here, so that you do not have to read the entire thread. After the Death Eaters came and everyone scattered, they were put in groups of three. Harry, Neville, and Hermione. Luna, Ginny, and Ron. As you can see, the pairs were split. H/L N/G Hr/R
Other points are in Luna Lovegood's name. Lovegood. Then there is the fact that she was the only one able to help when Harry was being persecuted by the entire wizarding world.
The main thing that makes me believe JK intends Harry to end up with Luna, however, is that Luna is - on the surface - a complete basket case. By having Harry, the hero, end up with the least likely girl, the crazy, strange, spacey girl that has no friends and is picked on unmercifully, it shows that her Hero does not care about surface things, or labels, and loves GOOD.
Also, when you look at my other pairs, it is always pairing someone with an underdog. Harry, the Hero, gets Luna, the basketcase. Hermione, the cleverest witch of her age, gets Ron, the overshadowed Weasley. Ginny, the forceful, clever Weasley girl, gets Neville, the bumbling, incompetant.
While Harry and Ginny, Ron and Hermione all getting married would make them one family, Harry is already practically part of the Weasley family. If Harry were to marry Luna, and Ginny were to marry Neville, they would ALL be one family. Even if they did not have lawful ties. I'm sure Harry and Ron would name each other Godfathers of their respective children, so that would unite them as well.
I can't think of a happier ending myself. (Though, I though JK said she did not like happy endings.)
Okay, to start, I will just reiterate where I left off in my points against muggleview. It was the Fawcetts and not the Lovegoods who did not attend the QWC, the Lovegoods had been there a week all ready, thanks for reminding me. I didn't look it up.
A fact which does not prove them wealthy, but shows that they are not. If you will recall, it was said that people who bought cheap tickets had to arrive days, even weeks in advance, do to the scheduling problems with the portkeys and such. The fact that the Lovegoods had been there a week shows that they got cheap tickets.
Also, the money they are using on their expedition came as a result of Harry's article selling so many magazines. They decided to use this money to do something they had always wanted to do, but could never afford, go on an extended, expensive expedition to attempt to find a Crumple-horned Snorcack.
Not that that makes any difference in this debate. I just take it to mean that you should probably not try to use the Lovegoods being wealthy and Ginny being poor as a point. I mean, when the Weasleys came across some money, they used it to go on vacation as well.
Also, Harry is not really "wealthy" as he is a teenage boy. If I was 11 years old walking into a bank vault that contained all of my parents money in cash, I'd think I was rich too. I would say he is well off, but his wealth in no way compares to that of the Malfoys and such. Perhaps Sirius will have left his money to him as well, and then he will be rich.
Still, I see what you're saying. Basically, that his wealth could benifit Ginny more than Harry. I really hope he does not consider such things while trying to decide who he falls in love with.
You pretty much proved my point with the Harry lying for Ginny thing, so I'll skip that.
About the bonding thing. Harry and Ginny have definately become closer in the last book. I would say it began when Hermione told him that Ginny had "gotten over Harry ages ago." Next time you read the books, check it out. I've begun reading them again, so I'll get back to you with my views on that matter once I've finished. It's not going as quickly as usual, what with visiting this site every day lol. You guys probably won't see much of me when Book 6 comes out. Not for a few days at least!
I recall seeing evidence of situations such as the link you provided to Harry and Ginny's conversations, and that it showed more than friendship before. However, they were passages showing Harry and Hermione together, and it was an H/Hr argument. I will use the same point here. None of that shows anything more than the interaction between two good friends.
When Harry could talk to no one else, he allowed himself to talk to Luna. Why? Because he connected with her. He empathized and felt similarities between them.
This does not show romance either. Infact, there is no evidence showing romance between Harry and Luna at all. Actually, come to think of it, there is no evidence showing a romantic connection between anyone but Harry and Cho. All the reasons for my shipping beliefs in regards to Harry and Ginny comes from authorial intent. I believe JK gave us clues in the DoM. I think she paired the six on several occassions in that entire section, and she kept them in those pairs throughout the remainder of the novel. For more on that, see this thread. DoM. Possible Ship Foreshadowing?
To which I will add a point here, so that you do not have to read the entire thread. After the Death Eaters came and everyone scattered, they were put in groups of three. Harry, Neville, and Hermione. Luna, Ginny, and Ron. As you can see, the pairs were split. H/L N/G Hr/R
Other points are in Luna Lovegood's name. Lovegood. Then there is the fact that she was the only one able to help when Harry was being persecuted by the entire wizarding world.
The main thing that makes me believe JK intends Harry to end up with Luna, however, is that Luna is - on the surface - a complete basket case. By having Harry, the hero, end up with the least likely girl, the crazy, strange, spacey girl that has no friends and is picked on unmercifully, it shows that her Hero does not care about surface things, or labels, and loves GOOD.
Also, when you look at my other pairs, it is always pairing someone with an underdog. Harry, the Hero, gets Luna, the basketcase. Hermione, the cleverest witch of her age, gets Ron, the overshadowed Weasley. Ginny, the forceful, clever Weasley girl, gets Neville, the bumbling, incompetant.
While Harry and Ginny, Ron and Hermione all getting married would make them one family, Harry is already practically part of the Weasley family. If Harry were to marry Luna, and Ginny were to marry Neville, they would ALL be one family. Even if they did not have lawful ties. I'm sure Harry and Ron would name each other Godfathers of their respective children, so that would unite them as well.
I can't think of a happier ending myself. (Though, I though JK said she did not like happy endings.)
Regarding Harry and Luna?
Why not! While I don't hold too much hope of this pairing ever eventuating, I do think that it could represent a genuinely unexpected departure for the series, not to mention some interesting character development for Harry... I would actually love for this to happen.
I do have the (unfortunate) suspicion though that J.K. has created Ginny Weasley specifically for Harry. There is so much emphasis on Harry being similar to his father. The parallels are countless, not only in terms of abilities, appearance, and talents but we also see father and son sharing similar tastes in people.
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So it would hardly be surprising for Harry to end being attracted to the same sort of girl that his father was. But that's for another thread. As for Luna and Harry...
I agree that neither character seems to display anything beyond potential friendship for one another, but that doesn't rule out the possibility of later romance developing. S-Boardman (in the Harry/Luna shipping thread) has already made some excellent points about why a relationship between Harry and Luna would be interesting reading not to mention distinctly beneficial to Harry's personal development.
I think one of the greatest criticisms that I have concerning Harry is that he is too conventional at times, and is too preoccupied with how he is judged and how he is perceived in the eyes of others. Luna Lovegood represents a refreshing departure from Harry's (more typical) tendency to be reactionary and to succumb to peer pressure.
I don't view Luna as some hapless, clueless, eccentric space-cadet deserving of pity. Far from it in fact. I think that J.K. has created a character with the potential for a great deal of depth. Harry's initially dismissive judgement of Luna is already beginning change as he realises that there are layers and depths to her character.
Luna displays a strength of character and a maturity that is beyond that of her peers in the sense that she is completely unafraid of being her own person, and constantly chooses to be an individual, depsite the consequences. Yes, she may be a 'daydreamer' but that is an indication of imagination, rather than delusion on her part. Far from being out of touch with reality, she is perfectly aware of how she is perceived and how she is treated.
Because she appears unruffled and serene however, doesn't mean that she is insulated by insensitivity or a lack of perception. Luna is fully aware of how she is perceived and how people treat her. But whereas Harry tends to be retaliatory at the hands of mistreatment, Luna is serene. The serenity stems from the fact that Luna is secure in herself and content with being who she is. She accepts the fact that she is different, while Harry still continues to awkwardly wrestle with his own difference.
I think that if Harry became involved with Luna - whether romantically or as a very close friend - it would cause him to question some of his own values and assumptions. I think that Harry who, from the minute he received his letter of admission to Hogwarts, has constantly worried about fitting in and not standing out - would benefit from being in the company of someone who has managed to rise above those kinds of fears.
The other thing that stands out about Luna is Hermione's uncharacteristically strong reaction to her - almost as if Luna represents some kind of threat. And I think that she does - because make no mistake - Luna Lovegood is intelligent and she is knowledgeable. She doesn't share Hermione's love of sanctioned, official knowledge - but she has knowledge of her own. She doesn't place her knowledge on perpeutal display (like Hermy) but she casually discloses at those critical times, when it is most needed.
I think that Harry's more grounded and social nature would also be of benefit to Luna. But I think that it's the reader that stands to be most richly rewarded. I for one would like to see how Harry would deal with her eccentricity, and I would love to see the storyline stray from a conventional formula. Thing is, I'm not sure that Harry really has it in him to stray that far beyond convention....
Luna, is hardly the conventional love interest or heroine and it would be wonderful to see someone like her challenge and defy all expectation of what a love-interest 'should' be like. It would be great to see her in a major role, quirks and all and to see Harry move outside of his clique. The fact that Luna comes from a different house (Ravenclaw) and is not a central part of Harry's main clique may work against her.
It's unlikely to happen - I suspect that Luna might be a little too foreign and alien for Harry who is ultimately pretty regular despite his talents and his situation - but hey - that's what speculation is for.
Why not! While I don't hold too much hope of this pairing ever eventuating, I do think that it could represent a genuinely unexpected departure for the series, not to mention some interesting character development for Harry... I would actually love for this to happen.
I do have the (unfortunate) suspicion though that J.K. has created Ginny Weasley specifically for Harry. There is so much emphasis on Harry being similar to his father. The parallels are countless, not only in terms of abilities, appearance, and talents but we also see father and son sharing similar tastes in people.
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So it would hardly be surprising for Harry to end being attracted to the same sort of girl that his father was. But that's for another thread. As for Luna and Harry...
I agree that neither character seems to display anything beyond potential friendship for one another, but that doesn't rule out the possibility of later romance developing. S-Boardman (in the Harry/Luna shipping thread) has already made some excellent points about why a relationship between Harry and Luna would be interesting reading not to mention distinctly beneficial to Harry's personal development.
I think one of the greatest criticisms that I have concerning Harry is that he is too conventional at times, and is too preoccupied with how he is judged and how he is perceived in the eyes of others. Luna Lovegood represents a refreshing departure from Harry's (more typical) tendency to be reactionary and to succumb to peer pressure.
I don't view Luna as some hapless, clueless, eccentric space-cadet deserving of pity. Far from it in fact. I think that J.K. has created a character with the potential for a great deal of depth. Harry's initially dismissive judgement of Luna is already beginning change as he realises that there are layers and depths to her character.
Luna displays a strength of character and a maturity that is beyond that of her peers in the sense that she is completely unafraid of being her own person, and constantly chooses to be an individual, depsite the consequences. Yes, she may be a 'daydreamer' but that is an indication of imagination, rather than delusion on her part. Far from being out of touch with reality, she is perfectly aware of how she is perceived and how she is treated.
Because she appears unruffled and serene however, doesn't mean that she is insulated by insensitivity or a lack of perception. Luna is fully aware of how she is perceived and how people treat her. But whereas Harry tends to be retaliatory at the hands of mistreatment, Luna is serene. The serenity stems from the fact that Luna is secure in herself and content with being who she is. She accepts the fact that she is different, while Harry still continues to awkwardly wrestle with his own difference.
I think that if Harry became involved with Luna - whether romantically or as a very close friend - it would cause him to question some of his own values and assumptions. I think that Harry who, from the minute he received his letter of admission to Hogwarts, has constantly worried about fitting in and not standing out - would benefit from being in the company of someone who has managed to rise above those kinds of fears.
The other thing that stands out about Luna is Hermione's uncharacteristically strong reaction to her - almost as if Luna represents some kind of threat. And I think that she does - because make no mistake - Luna Lovegood is intelligent and she is knowledgeable. She doesn't share Hermione's love of sanctioned, official knowledge - but she has knowledge of her own. She doesn't place her knowledge on perpeutal display (like Hermy) but she casually discloses at those critical times, when it is most needed.
I think that Harry's more grounded and social nature would also be of benefit to Luna. But I think that it's the reader that stands to be most richly rewarded. I for one would like to see how Harry would deal with her eccentricity, and I would love to see the storyline stray from a conventional formula. Thing is, I'm not sure that Harry really has it in him to stray that far beyond convention....
Luna, is hardly the conventional love interest or heroine and it would be wonderful to see someone like her challenge and defy all expectation of what a love-interest 'should' be like. It would be great to see her in a major role, quirks and all and to see Harry move outside of his clique. The fact that Luna comes from a different house (Ravenclaw) and is not a central part of Harry's main clique may work against her.
It's unlikely to happen - I suspect that Luna might be a little too foreign and alien for Harry who is ultimately pretty regular despite his talents and his situation - but hey - that's what speculation is for.
Regarding Harry and Ginny...
I'm actually not on any ship, but I've suspected for a long time that Ginny and Harry will ultimately be paired up (much like James and Lily). I think that this has a lot to do with the constant parallels that are drawn between Harry and James throughout the series. They have similar tastes in people and in relationships.
Like James, Harry has a similar propensity towards being involved in tight-knit, intimate friendships that border on being an exclusive clique. For 'James', 'Sirius', and 'Remus' substitute 'Harry', 'Ron' and 'Hermione'. Even the roles that Ron and Hermione play are somewhat equivalent to that of Sirius and Remus. While Ron is not as naturally talented, or as handsome, confident and debonair as Sirius was, Ron is the brash, outspoken fulcrum of the group. He is passionate in his likes and dislikes, has a love of adventure, is prone to being rash and has a flagrant disregard for the rules. Just as Sirius was clearly James' best friend and wielded a certain degree of influence over him, the same could be said for Ron regarding Harry. Harry prizes Ron's good regard and esteem, more highly than he does Hermione's.
Hermione on the other hand, shares Remus' love of learning and actively enjoys study. Both are thoughtful individuals who tend to judiciously stand to one side rather than jump into the fray. They tend to think before they act. Temperamentally she is far more cautious and restrained (like Remus) and provides a necessary balance to the trio. (If Ron is the fulcrum, than Hermione is the anchor.) Harry likes Hermione, and depends upon her, and admires her. But he also takes her for granted and clearly regards her as a side-kick. Even when it appears to Harry that Hermione had died in OotP, his reaction was one of a deeply distressed friend. There is panic, fear, anxiety, shock, and above all - extreme guilt - but heartbreak is decidedly absent.
James and Harry are even similar in the way that they have enemies. (Both Snape and Malfoy are bitter, clever Slytherins who are attracted to the dark arts.)
Even within seemingly minor details (such as both of them sharing the same house and the identical patronus) similarities are emphasised. So it would hardly be a stretch of the imagination to envisage Harry being (predictably) attracted to the same type of girl that James was attracted to, or to view Ginny as a modern equivalent of Lily.
Enter Ginny....
Like Lily, Ginny is outside the 'clique'. Both share similar physical characteristics, and behave similarly. Ginny, like Lily is the type of person who would speak out in the face of injustice and champion the underdog. (Lily with Snape, Ginny with Neville.) Not only are they kind (without being sentimental), but both are cool-headed, competent girls who aren't overtly studious like Hermione but are nevertheless bright, witty and quick on the uptake. Ginny has also evolved from being star-struck over Harry, to being able to take or leave Harry - in much the same way that Lily could James....
Added to that, we see that Ginny is much more humourous, and relaxed than Hermione, is more adventurous and doesn't have any maternal affectations towards him ( - Ginny couldn't care less whether or not Harry does his homework.) She behaves (these days) as though they are equals. In OotP, Ginny is clearly coming into her own. We see her as intelligent, inventive (she's not Fred and George's sister for nothing), talented (Quidditch), and attractive (she's already had 2 boyfriends thus far.)
Best of all, far from being adoring little Ginny, we now see her casting a coolly critical eye over Harry much like Lily cast upon James. It's obvious that Ginny is irked and not terribly impressed by Harry's various self-centred displays. (I particularly liked the way that she disabuses Harry in 'cool' tones of the self-pitying notion that he might be 'possessed by Voldemort.) And unlike Hermione, she isn't tentative or hesitant about Harry's temper, nor does she attempt to appease it. I think we're going to be treated for some straight-talking from Ginny in the next two books.
Ginny has developed that little bit of feminine reserve and outspoken maturity that stands a good chance of turning the tables, by winning his respect.
(When Lily stood up to James, she not only won his interest but also his respect.)
I could easily imagine Harry being the one who ends up being a little tongue-tied....
I'm actually not on any ship, but I've suspected for a long time that Ginny and Harry will ultimately be paired up (much like James and Lily). I think that this has a lot to do with the constant parallels that are drawn between Harry and James throughout the series. They have similar tastes in people and in relationships.
Like James, Harry has a similar propensity towards being involved in tight-knit, intimate friendships that border on being an exclusive clique. For 'James', 'Sirius', and 'Remus' substitute 'Harry', 'Ron' and 'Hermione'. Even the roles that Ron and Hermione play are somewhat equivalent to that of Sirius and Remus. While Ron is not as naturally talented, or as handsome, confident and debonair as Sirius was, Ron is the brash, outspoken fulcrum of the group. He is passionate in his likes and dislikes, has a love of adventure, is prone to being rash and has a flagrant disregard for the rules. Just as Sirius was clearly James' best friend and wielded a certain degree of influence over him, the same could be said for Ron regarding Harry. Harry prizes Ron's good regard and esteem, more highly than he does Hermione's.
Hermione on the other hand, shares Remus' love of learning and actively enjoys study. Both are thoughtful individuals who tend to judiciously stand to one side rather than jump into the fray. They tend to think before they act. Temperamentally she is far more cautious and restrained (like Remus) and provides a necessary balance to the trio. (If Ron is the fulcrum, than Hermione is the anchor.) Harry likes Hermione, and depends upon her, and admires her. But he also takes her for granted and clearly regards her as a side-kick. Even when it appears to Harry that Hermione had died in OotP, his reaction was one of a deeply distressed friend. There is panic, fear, anxiety, shock, and above all - extreme guilt - but heartbreak is decidedly absent.
James and Harry are even similar in the way that they have enemies. (Both Snape and Malfoy are bitter, clever Slytherins who are attracted to the dark arts.)
Even within seemingly minor details (such as both of them sharing the same house and the identical patronus) similarities are emphasised. So it would hardly be a stretch of the imagination to envisage Harry being (predictably) attracted to the same type of girl that James was attracted to, or to view Ginny as a modern equivalent of Lily.
Enter Ginny....
Like Lily, Ginny is outside the 'clique'. Both share similar physical characteristics, and behave similarly. Ginny, like Lily is the type of person who would speak out in the face of injustice and champion the underdog. (Lily with Snape, Ginny with Neville.) Not only are they kind (without being sentimental), but both are cool-headed, competent girls who aren't overtly studious like Hermione but are nevertheless bright, witty and quick on the uptake. Ginny has also evolved from being star-struck over Harry, to being able to take or leave Harry - in much the same way that Lily could James....
Added to that, we see that Ginny is much more humourous, and relaxed than Hermione, is more adventurous and doesn't have any maternal affectations towards him ( - Ginny couldn't care less whether or not Harry does his homework.) She behaves (these days) as though they are equals. In OotP, Ginny is clearly coming into her own. We see her as intelligent, inventive (she's not Fred and George's sister for nothing), talented (Quidditch), and attractive (she's already had 2 boyfriends thus far.)
Best of all, far from being adoring little Ginny, we now see her casting a coolly critical eye over Harry much like Lily cast upon James. It's obvious that Ginny is irked and not terribly impressed by Harry's various self-centred displays. (I particularly liked the way that she disabuses Harry in 'cool' tones of the self-pitying notion that he might be 'possessed by Voldemort.) And unlike Hermione, she isn't tentative or hesitant about Harry's temper, nor does she attempt to appease it. I think we're going to be treated for some straight-talking from Ginny in the next two books.
Ginny has developed that little bit of feminine reserve and outspoken maturity that stands a good chance of turning the tables, by winning his respect.
(When Lily stood up to James, she not only won his interest but also his respect.)
I could easily imagine Harry being the one who ends up being a little tongue-tied....
I think that the best support for a relationship between Harry and Ginny lies in two quotes:
| QUOTE (Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - American hardcover - pg. 301) |
| "I'm going down there," he said. He couldn't not go, not now they had found the entrance to the Chamber, not if there was even the faintest, slimmest, wildest chance that Ginny might be alive. "Me too," said Ron. |
| QUOTE (Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix - American hardcover - pg. 767) |
| "Over here," he said. He gave his thestral a quick, grateful pat, then led the way quickly to the battered telephone box and opened the door. "Come on!" he urged the others as they hesitated. Ron and Ginny marched in obediently. |
Now, as you may or may not know, I base most of my shipping arguments largely on parallels between scenes. We know that one of the core reasons why Harry admires and respects Ron and values his friendship is because they are loyal to one another. Look at the "Chamber of Secrets" quote, for example. Harry takes the lead on a course of action (going down the pipe to the Chamber of Secrets), and Ron immediately follows suit. Then take a look at the "Order of the Phoenix" quote -- again, Harry urges his friends (take note that they are hesitating) to enter the phone box, and this time it is Ron and Ginny who "obediently" respond. Ginny has been intentionally set apart with Ron, who is arguably Harry's closest friend. It was not Hermione or Luna who immediately joined Ron and obeyed Harry's command, but Ginny. The loyalty and respect shared between Harry and the Weasleys could be a good foundation for a future relationship. Based on Harry's little thing for Cho from "Prisoner of Azkaban" to "Order of the Phoenix," I've got a feeling that he's heterosexual, which rules out the possibility of a relationship (in the romantic sense, at least) with Ron. That leaves Ginny.
You can argue that the reason why Ron was so gung-ho to go down to the Chamber in Book Two was because it was his sister that they were saving. Perhaps Ron was not acting out of loyalty and faith in Harry's judgement at all in this scene, but simply acting rashly for the sake of Ginny's life. But in "Order of the Phoenix," the Department of Mysteries mission is not specifically for either Ron's or Ginny's benefit. They are doing it because they care about Sirius, certainly, but also because they care about Harry. And there you have true loyalty, one of the qualities that Gryffindors value most of all.
All good points, but there is considerable support for a future between Harry and Luna in OotP as well.
JK Rowling never introduces a character without good reason. Cho made several appearances across three books before Harry got the nerve up to go out with her. Ginny, of course has made a regular appearance in every book so far, and has become a major player in her own right. Ron and Hermione have been his solid friends from day one, and Neville, who could be said to be the Peter Pettigrew of the foursome, truly shows his colors in OotP, displaying real courage and skill as a wizard.
This brings me to Luna.
I believe that if JK Rowling did not intend for something to happen between Luna and Harry, she would not have begun and ended the school year with conversations between the two of them. True, it's hard to consider their first encounter to be a real conversation, but the connection between them develops and grows gradualy throughout OotP.
She's among the first to really stick up for him of her own accord, not just out of a sense of duty or friendship. She hardly knows him, yet she defends him even in the face of personal ridicule.
JK Rowling never introduces a character without good reason. Cho made several appearances across three books before Harry got the nerve up to go out with her. Ginny, of course has made a regular appearance in every book so far, and has become a major player in her own right. Ron and Hermione have been his solid friends from day one, and Neville, who could be said to be the Peter Pettigrew of the foursome, truly shows his colors in OotP, displaying real courage and skill as a wizard.
This brings me to Luna.
I believe that if JK Rowling did not intend for something to happen between Luna and Harry, she would not have begun and ended the school year with conversations between the two of them. True, it's hard to consider their first encounter to be a real conversation, but the connection between them develops and grows gradualy throughout OotP.
She's among the first to really stick up for him of her own accord, not just out of a sense of duty or friendship. She hardly knows him, yet she defends him even in the face of personal ridicule.
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| "D'you mind not offending the only people who belive me?" Harry asked Hermione as they made their way into class. "Oh, for heaven's sake, Harry, you can do better than her," said Hermione. |
The thing is, Harry couldn't do better than Luna, at least not at the time. He had to rebuild his credibility, and to do that, he had to rely on Hermione, Rita Skeeter, and - Luna's father's tabloid, a rag so thoroughly discredited that hardly anyone took it seriously except the publishers.
When Harry and Cho meet under the mistletoe in the Room of Requirement after DA training, the encounter kicks off with Harry making a joke based on something Luna said earlier:
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| "Mistletoe," said Cho quietly, pointing at the ceiling over his head. "Yeah," said Harry. His mouth was very dry. "It's probably full of narlges, though." "What are nargles?" "No idea," said Harry. |
Even when he's with Cho, he's thinking of someone else.
Of course, there's the issue of Luna singing "Weasly is our king" all the time, but this could be put down to it being a catchy tune. And Luna doesn't have the social skills to NOT hum it when the mood hits. It doesn't necessarily mean she fancies Ron, though. At least, not as I read it.
Then, there's the issue of shared experience. Luna is the only one besides Neville who can also see thestrals. Ron, Hermione, and Ginny have all been spared the kind of trauma that allows this. Heck, even Malfoy, Crabbe and Goyle can't - and their parents are probably murderers several times over (raises interesting questions about their upbringing, dunnit?). But Luna has seen death, giving her and harry soe common ground to cover. This gives her a sympathetic quality that the others lack.
Finally, Harry is able to relax around Luna (at least by the end of OotP) in a way that he can't around Ginny or Hermione:
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| "...That man the Death Eaters killed was your godfather, wasn't he? Ginny told me." Harry nodded curtly, but found that for some reason he did not mind Luna talking about Sirius. He had just remembered that she too could see thestrals. "Have you..." he began. "I mean, who ... has anyone you've ever known died?" "Yes," said Luna simply, "my mother. She was a quite extraordinary witch, you know, but she did like to experiment and one of her spells went rather badly wrong one day. I was nine." "I'm sorry," Harry mumbled. "Yes, it was rather horrible," said Luna conversationally. "I still feel very sad about it sometimes. But I've still got Dad. And anyway, it's not as though I'll never see Mum again, is it?" |
And so on. Luna fans have already quoted this passage ad nauseam; I shall refrain in this case. I think the important thing Luna introduces Harry to is faith. The irrational belief without proof in things unproveable. He doesn't get it from the insanely rational Hermione, nor the level headed Ginny, and he sure as he** doesn't get it from the Dursleys, who probably don't go to church anyway. He gets it from Luna, the girl everyone makes fun of at school for her strange beliefs.
And as I've said, he's able to relax around her in a way he can't with Cho, Hermione or Ginny. Cho is too pretty, too "girly", and too obsessed with girly things to be good company for Harry; Hermione is too obsessed with rules and studying and excelling at school, and besides she's a prefect; Ginny is Ron's little sister and is too close to being family for Harry to seriously consider it at the moment.
Not that he won't try, of course. If I were to pick a sequence of 'ships, I'd have to say it'll be Ginny-Hermione-Luna, with the H/L pairing occurring VERY late in the 7th book. But the friendship has begun, and I believe it will contine as Harry grows and matures. As I've already pointed out, JK Rowling never introduces a character in such a way without good reason. I think we can look forward to seeing a lot more of Luna in the next two novels.
Stubby
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| Also, when you look at my other pairs, it is always pairing someone with an underdog. Harry, the Hero, gets Luna, the basketcase. Hermione, the cleverest witch of her age, gets Ron, the overshadowed Weasley. Ginny, the forceful, clever Weasley girl, gets Neville, the bumbling, incompetant. |
Yes! I'm not the only one who has those ships!
Now, as for what everyone else was saying...
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| The thing is, Harry couldn't do better than Luna, at least not at the time. He had to rebuild his credibility, and to do that, he had to rely on Hermione, Rita Skeeter, and - Luna's father's tabloid, a rag so thoroughly discredited that hardly anyone took it seriously except the publishers. |
I heartedly agree with you, S_Boardman. What a lot of people don't understand is that Luna is the perfect example for Harry. Right now, he's going through a lot of grief with Sirius's death. Luna has such a strong character that Harry needs to be exposed to. Like Westerly said,
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| I don't view Luna as some hapless, clueless, eccentric space-cadet deserving of pity. Far from it in fact. I think that J.K. has created a character with the potential for a great deal of depth. Harry's initially dismissive judgement of Luna is already beginning change as he realises that there are layers and depths to her character. Luna displays a strength of character and a maturity that is beyond that of her peers in the sense that she is completely unafraid of being her own person, and constantly chooses to be an individual, depsite the consequences. Yes, she may be a 'daydreamer' but that is an indication of imagination, rather than delusion on her part. Far from being out of touch with reality, she is perfectly aware of how she is perceived and how she is treated. |
I really am relived that someone was able to put that into words. I am really happy those statements are here on the Forum for everyone to see. Well dont, Westerly.
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| Then take a look at the "Order of the Phoenix" quote -- again, Harry urges his friends (take note that they are hesitating) to enter the phone box, and this time it is Ron and Ginny who "obediently" respond. Ginny has been intentionally set apart with Ron, who is arguably Harry's closest friend. It was not Hermione or Luna who immediately joined Ron and obeyed Harry's command, but Ginny. The loyalty and respect shared between Harry and the Weasleys could be a good foundation for a future relationship. |
Well, yes that is one way to look at that quote. But... well, I guess that this is just my weak-spot, but what about this angle?
At this point on OotP, Harry is very hostile. Ron, Ginny, Hermione and Neville don't want to upset Harry at this point because I thinkt that there is some sort of fear they have for Harry. They fear for him, yes, but I also believe that they actually, fear him. When Ron and Ginny "obediently" respond, I think it is more out of fear. You might have noticed that I did not include Luna when I listed the people who were afraid of Harry. No, that wasn't a mistake. I actually think that Luna does not fear Harry. Luna is able to communicate with Harry freely and does it comfortably. Neither Ron, Hermione or Ginny are able to talk to Harry like Luna did at the end of the book.
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| (Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix - American hardcover - pg. 767) "Over here," he said. He gave his thestral a quick, grateful pat, then led the way quickly to the battered telephone box and opened the door. "Come on!" he urged the others as they hesitated. Ron and Ginny marched in obediently. |
Ron, Ginny and the others are all pretty scared by now. They all know that they are about to go in and face the chance of fighting with Voldemort and the DE's. The concept of having to go in and fight some DE's to save Sirius's life does not remortely frighten Harry as it does the others, with one exception... Luna. Throughout the time they all (will now be known as "Dumbledore's True Army" or DTA) luna did not show any fear while she was in the DOM.
Honestly, I would think Jo will pair Harry with Luna until she brought up Ginny again in the train with the challenge for Harry (about Dean Thomas).
At this point, Luna serves as one of Harry's advisors, similar to Hermione and Ginny. I don't think the feeling is any deeper than that.
Yes, Luna may play some roles in HBP, but Jo indicated that Ginny will play a bigger role in that book.
That's why the arguments are more on the "baggage" each girl has.
Ginny still has the most baggage to fulfill Harry's need.
At this point, Luna serves as one of Harry's advisors, similar to Hermione and Ginny. I don't think the feeling is any deeper than that.
Yes, Luna may play some roles in HBP, but Jo indicated that Ginny will play a bigger role in that book.
That's why the arguments are more on the "baggage" each girl has.
Ginny still has the most baggage to fulfill Harry's need.
[QHOTE]Yes, Luna may play some roles in HBP, but Jo indicated that Ginny will play a bigger role in that book.
That's why the arguments are more on the "baggage" each girl has.
Ginny still has the most baggage to fulfill Harry's need.[/QUOTE]
Yes, Ginny will play a bigger role in HBP, but bigger could mean bigger than usual, not neccesarily bigger than someone else, in this case, Luna.
That's why the arguments are more on the "baggage" each girl has.
Ginny still has the most baggage to fulfill Harry's need.[/QUOTE]
Yes, Ginny will play a bigger role in HBP, but bigger could mean bigger than usual, not neccesarily bigger than someone else, in this case, Luna.
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Challange for Harry about Dean Thomas? I don't think that the fact that Ginny is going out with Dean makes Harry jealous. He didn't show any sign of it. If you have a quote, or something from that scene that says Harry envied Dean or anything of the sort.
But if someone can find such a quote, then please, bring it to my attention.
I was going to say that Harry did not react at all to Ginny saying she had "chosen" Dean Thomas, but Backside beat me to it. Infact, they are not necissarily even going out. Ron told her to "choose someone a little better next time," and Ginny said, "Well, I've chosen Dean Thomas."
That just means that is who she is planning on going after next. Dean may not have a clue that she's interested in him.
About Harry and James. The similarity ends with their appearance, and Seeker abilities. This was shown through Snape's memory, and Harry's reaction to it. James was a far different person than Harry in school. Infact, I believe Harry is the complete opposite of James.
I too thought Ginny was created solely for Harry. Perhaps she was. As time and pages went by, however, and nothing happened, I began to wonder if anything ever would. When Hermione told Harry that Ginny was over him, I expected Harry to start thinking about that more, and become jealous of those on whom she did choose to place her affections.
Yet, nothing happened. If anything, he was releived he no longer had that hanging over his head. It allowed them to get closer as friends.
Then Luna appeared. Seemingly the only one outside of his circle of friends who believed him. As I've pointed out several times in various places, the fact that she is in Ravenclaw shows that she is intelligent, even if her demeanor makes her seem a bit like dandelion fluff floating on a breeze. She is imperturbable and fearless, even frighteningly so. She is also quick to jump to conclusions, without much proof. In fact, she will only believe something if there is no proof, prefering to take people's word rather than relying on concrete evidence. Which makes her niave and trusting, as shown in her zen-like, come-what-may shpeal at the end of OotP.
All of these are traits that Harry possesses in plenty. The difference is only in amplitude. Luna Lovegood is the Harry Extreme. She is Harry to the tenth power. Even how they are viewed by their peers. Harry is constantly persecuted, mainly by the Slytherins, but when trouble rears its ugly head, the rest of the Houses are not far behind. Even his fellow Gryffindors are ready to jump on the "Potter you rotter" bandwagon.
One final point that convinces me Harry and Luna will end up together is simply that Ron wants Harry and Ginny to hook up so badly.
I've never seen anything so unnatural in my life as an older brother wanting his friends to date their younger sister. My sisters were older than me, and I did everything in my power as an extremely hostile and annoying 10 year old to drive their prospective boyfriends away. Suceeded a fair few times, too. Nevermind the emotional scarring of being physically beaten by girls. It has served me well, as it stunted the growth of my ego.
(I am rather bitter, though, that when I was old enough to beat THEM, they began being nice to me! Cruel, cruel women. I love them dearly )
That just means that is who she is planning on going after next. Dean may not have a clue that she's interested in him.
About Harry and James. The similarity ends with their appearance, and Seeker abilities. This was shown through Snape's memory, and Harry's reaction to it. James was a far different person than Harry in school. Infact, I believe Harry is the complete opposite of James.
I too thought Ginny was created solely for Harry. Perhaps she was. As time and pages went by, however, and nothing happened, I began to wonder if anything ever would. When Hermione told Harry that Ginny was over him, I expected Harry to start thinking about that more, and become jealous of those on whom she did choose to place her affections.
Yet, nothing happened. If anything, he was releived he no longer had that hanging over his head. It allowed them to get closer as friends.
Then Luna appeared. Seemingly the only one outside of his circle of friends who believed him. As I've pointed out several times in various places, the fact that she is in Ravenclaw shows that she is intelligent, even if her demeanor makes her seem a bit like dandelion fluff floating on a breeze. She is imperturbable and fearless, even frighteningly so. She is also quick to jump to conclusions, without much proof. In fact, she will only believe something if there is no proof, prefering to take people's word rather than relying on concrete evidence. Which makes her niave and trusting, as shown in her zen-like, come-what-may shpeal at the end of OotP.
All of these are traits that Harry possesses in plenty. The difference is only in amplitude. Luna Lovegood is the Harry Extreme. She is Harry to the tenth power. Even how they are viewed by their peers. Harry is constantly persecuted, mainly by the Slytherins, but when trouble rears its ugly head, the rest of the Houses are not far behind. Even his fellow Gryffindors are ready to jump on the "Potter you rotter" bandwagon.
One final point that convinces me Harry and Luna will end up together is simply that Ron wants Harry and Ginny to hook up so badly.
I've never seen anything so unnatural in my life as an older brother wanting his friends to date their younger sister. My sisters were older than me, and I did everything in my power as an extremely hostile and annoying 10 year old to drive their prospective boyfriends away. Suceeded a fair few times, too. Nevermind the emotional scarring of being physically beaten by girls. It has served me well, as it stunted the growth of my ego.
(I am rather bitter, though, that when I was old enough to beat THEM, they began being nice to me! Cruel, cruel women. I love them dearly
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Hehe, yes, I know the getting beat by older sisters. And now, even when I'm bigger, if I fight back, they just go running to Daddy. Cheaters...Anyway, great arguments for Luna. I don't believe in the Harry/Ginny, because if it were going to happen, it would have while she was still enamored with him. But thats all for now, gotta run.
Beat Up Little Brothers Unite
Cheaters...Anyway, great arguments for Luna. I don't believe in the Harry/Ginny, because if it were going to happen, it would have while she was still enamored with him. But thats all for now, gotta run. Beat Up Little Brothers Unite
Ah, yes, I too would do my best to embarrass my sister in front of her boyfriend... perhaps that's why I only met him once.... Now, her current boyfriend doesn't seem to really care, so I guess I will let my sister date him.... ahem...
Now, back to the subject...
You know, I think that the people who have come to post in this topic are mostly H/L shippers with a couple of H/G'ers.... The topic was called Hary/Ginny or Harry/Other girl, but the only other girl that has been mentioned is Luna... hmmm.. where are all the H/Hr shippers?
Long Live the Weasel King!, the more you post, the more I agree with you. Kinda strange becuase usually I have to defend my views against other people. My ideas tend to be a bit strange, and I guess some people don't like that, ha!
Now, back to the subject...
You know, I think that the people who have come to post in this topic are mostly H/L shippers with a couple of H/G'ers.... The topic was called Hary/Ginny or Harry/Other girl, but the only other girl that has been mentioned is Luna... hmmm.. where are all the H/Hr shippers?
Long Live the Weasel King!, the more you post, the more I agree with you. Kinda strange becuase usually I have to defend my views against other people. My ideas tend to be a bit strange,
and I guess some people don't like that, ha!
This is about Ginny's warning to Harry using Dean's name.
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| “Hey, Harry,” said Ron, nodding toward the glass window onto the corridor. Harry looked around. Cho was passing, accompanied by Marietta Edgecombe, who was wearing a balaclava. His and Cho’s eyes met for a moment. Cho blushed and kept walking. Harry looked back down at the chessboard just in time to see one of his pawns chased off its square by Ron’s knight. “What’s – er – going on with you and her anyway?” Ron asked quietly. “Nothing,” said Harry truthfully. “I – er – heard she’s going out with someone else now,” said Hermione tentatively. Harry was surprised to find that this information did not hurt at all. Wanting to impress Cho seemed to belong to a past that was no longer quite connected with him. So much of what he had wanted before Sirius’s death felt that way these days…. The week that had elapsed since he had last seen Sirius seemed to have lasted much, much longer: It stretched across two universes, the one with Sirius in it, and the one without. “You’re well out of it, mate,” said Ron forcefully. “I mean she’s quite good looking and all that, but you want someone a bit more cheerful.” “She’s probably cheerful enough with someone else,” said Harry, shrugging. “Who is she with now anyway?” Ron asked Hermione, but it was Ginny who answered. "Michael Corner," she said. "Michael-but-" said Ron, craning around in his seat to stare at her. "But you were going out with him!" "Not anymore," said Ginny resolutely. "He didn't like Gryffindor beating Ravenclaw at Quidditch and got reallly sukly, so I ditched him and he ran off to comfort Cho instead." She scratched her nose absently with the end of her quill, turned The Quibbler upside down and began marking her answers. Ron looked highly delighted. "Well, I always thought he was a bit of an idiot," he said, prodding his queen forward toward Harry's quivering castle. "Good for you. Just choose someone-better-next time." He cast Harry an oddly furtive look as he said it. "Well, I've chosen Dean Thomas, would you say he's better?" asked Ginny vaguely. "WHAT?" shouted Ron, upending the chessboard. (OOP p.865-6). |
The scene can be divided into 2 parts:
The first one ends with Harry's comment that Cho's probably cheerful enough with someone else. The second part ends with Ron's shout.
The first part is about the end of Harry's romantic relationship with Cho. They are still friends, I presume. The second one is about Ginny and Michael.
Epiphany, Harry's thought about his feeling to Cho and Sirius was in part one. Harry completed his thought-process before part 2. Harry concluded his thought by stating that he does not feel bad if Cho is seeing someone else. As a confirmatory sign on Harry's seriousness (or lack of it), Harry can quickly stare back to the chessboard after glancing at Cho. The romantic feeling is gone. A simple chess game can take it over.
The part 2 opens with Ron's query to Hermione about Cho's current beau. This is where Ginny had to step in. She cannot let Hermione to reply for her, because:
- Hermione may be reluctant to reply, fearing she will hurt Ginny's feeling
- Hermione may not reply firmly enough to convince the listeners about the finality of the relationship between Ginny and Michael.
Both reasons might have only given doubts whether Ginny is truly over with Michael or not.
Ginny stepped in to make sure the listeners know that Ginny and Michael romantic relationship is dead. Noticably, Harry did not look at his chessboard. He looked at Ginny for a moment, registering all insignificant motions, as if to make sure he heard every Ginny's word correctly. Scratching the nose to marking answers will take a few seconds, at least 5 seconds. Only after Ginny settled with steady motion (marking her answer on Quibbler), Harry could take his eyes off her and looked at Ron. Obviously, Ron did not close his eyes when Harry was watching Ginny. Ron witnessed all of this and looked highly delighted.
In both parts, Ron had made comments. So far Ron's comments at the end of the books are the preview of what to come in the next one: remember about Burrow visit in COS, World Quidditch Cup in GOF, all was told by Ron at the end of one previous book, respectively. Ron's comment for part 1 is for Harry to look for someone more cheerful than Cho, which is definitely not Hermione (she is more serious than Cho). Ron's comment for part 2 is for Ginny to look for someone better, while casting an oddly furtive look at Harry. Thus, part 1: Harry is available and should look for Ginny, part 2: Ginny is available and should look for Harry.
Also, in both parts, the chess game itself is used to tell us something. In part 1: Harry's pawn was chased off the board by Ron's knight. In part 2: Ron moved his queen towards Harry's quivering castle. My interpretation is the first part showed Harry's little problem (romance with Cho) is cleared and now in part 2: the Queen Ginevra can break into Harry's heart thusfar staying in his castle of hidden feelings.
It doesn't stop there. Ginny did not let things end without a bang. Of course, she felt Harry's gaze at her, especially when the girl still has a tiny bit feeling and she just declared herself available. She could not make the same mistake as in the Yule Ball, where she couldn't make herself available when Harry was looking for a partner. This time, she happened to be available, but she did not want to be someone aggressively chasing Harry anymore. Previous experiences have taught her that those actions only chased Harry away. Now, if Harry wants her, he should take action. Ginny did not plan to chase him. She has given up on waiting for the return of his love after faithfully did so for 4 years. Still, Ginny wants to make sure Harry understand that he does not have all the time in the world. If he doesn't quickly ask her, she will move on and she was not afraid of not getting any boyfriend. That's why I think Ginny's last remark about Dean was directed indirectly to Harry. It's a warning: "I'm not going to wait forever."
Why is it not just to annoy Ron?
There's no point to do so. If she truly wants to be with Dean, Ginny'd better kept her mouth shut. Now that Ron knows about Dean, the first step he may do the next time Ron met Dean (they share the same dorm) will predictably be "Keep away from my sister!" Thereby, ruining her chance of dating! Wisely she hid her relationship with Michael, so at least she could go out once or more with him, getting an idea about dating. Hence, she is on the same level as Harry who already had his experiences with Cho, anyway. Ginny knew her brother well. Ron's reaction is predictable, even for the readers, although Ron upending the chessboard is IMO a joke from Jo Rowling.
One speculation: Ron usually used by Jo Rowling to speak out Harry's mind. Ron is Harry's spokeman, especially in dealing with Hermione's ideas and counter-arguments. The two boys shared the same mind most of the time. This time, Ron's "WHAT?" may reflects Harry's also.
Conclusion: Ginny's remark is not to annoy Ron. It's an indirect warning for Harry.
One more comment: has anybody questioned how Hermione may know so much about Cho? Hermione's routine is pretty much: classroom, library, Gryffindor common room. The rest of time she would spend with Ron and Harry or Ron alone (prefect duties and doing other things that Harry did not know ). Cho is in the Ravenclaw, one year her senior. I know many suggested that Hermione may pay attention to everything about Cho, or she might overhear Parvati and Lavender gossiping about it. But Hermione can also get it from one reliable source: a girl who has significant interest about Cho (because she presumably still bears a feeling on the boy Cho is dating), and has good access to Ravenclaw gossip news (through Michael and Luna), and is popular (attracting many at DA meeting into agreeing with her) and resourceful enough to collect many information. I believe Ginny has been supplying Hermione information about Cho, so Hermione (who is inexperienced in romance) may advise Harry about romance with Cho. Oh well, I read too many detective books, but I smell something fishy here, because it turned out that Hermione’s advices are worthless for Harry, although it can be blamed on Harry’s bad execution.
MOD EDIT : Just reminding you of this rule here: *Don't quote extensive chunks of the Harry Potter books to illustrate a point; it takes up bandwith. If you wish to quote the books, then give the page number and a sentence or two, to indicate the passage to which you're referring.
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| He looked at Ginny for a moment, registering all insignificant motions, as if to make sure he heard every Ginny's word correctly. Scratching the nose to marking answers will take a few seconds, at least 5 seconds. Only after Ginny settled with steady motion (marking her answer on Quibbler), Harry could take his eyes off her and looked at Ron. Obviously, Ron did not close his eyes when Harry was watching Ginny. Ron witnessed all of this and looked highly delighted. |
Where did it say that Harry looked over at Ginny? It never said anything about Harry looking over at Ginny and then finally looking back at Ron when she scratched her nose with the end of her quill. Secondly, it never said that Ron witnessed Harry looking over at Ginny and became "delighted" by it. I think he was more delighted by the fact that his little sister wasn't going out with anyone that might cause her emotional pain. If Harry did join up with Ginny, then he could cause her emotional distress. I still don't see how Ginny being with Harry would be good for Harry or Ginny. But hey, that's just me, right?
Backside,
That shows how clever Jo Rowling uses her words. She doesn't have to write "Harry watched Ginny." However, if the readers realized that the books registered what Harry saw or hear, all the details about Ginny is a bit much for a glance. You can take out a stopwatch and counted the time elapsed when Ginny did all those insignificant things. It can't be seen just with a glance, as when Harry looked at Cho.
"Ron looked highly delighted."
If your sister (sorry, if you don't have one) just broke up with her boyfriend, would you be "highly delighted"?
"A bit delighted" is okay, if you don't like the boyfriend.
Carefully Jo Rowling placed the description of Ron, after the long detail on Ginny's movements.
My take is: Jo Rowling uses Harry as her camera to capture the situation. The camera stayed at Ginny long enough to register her actions:
- scratching her nose absently - scratch, scracth
- turning the Quibbler upside down - woooosh.
- beginning marking her answers (plural) - scribble, scribble.
then it moves to register Ron's face. He looked highly delighted.
Ginny stopped speaking for at least 5 seconds and Ron was still looking highly delighted? What if during the 5 seconds, Ron was watching Harry's reactions?
Ron wanted to make a great chess move (his Queen taking Harry's castle) and he had to wait for Harry to witness it. So he waited. Harry still didn't look back at the chessboard. What took him so long?
Harry was not at all looking at the chessboard. He was goggling at Ginny!
Ron looked highly delighted.
Share with you one more thing: Both Harry and Ginny needs true love to drive Voldemort from their body and mind. True love is what Voldemort fears and doesn't have. Harry's mother's true love saved Harry from Voldemort. Harry and Ginny can only drive Voldemort away forever from them if true love stays in their hearts. We know Ginny's affection to Harry last up to now (even if she's given up waiting for Harry's advances). She was willing to die for him at the DOM.
That shows how clever Jo Rowling uses her words. She doesn't have to write "Harry watched Ginny." However, if the readers realized that the books registered what Harry saw or hear, all the details about Ginny is a bit much for a glance. You can take out a stopwatch and counted the time elapsed when Ginny did all those insignificant things. It can't be seen just with a glance, as when Harry looked at Cho.
"Ron looked highly delighted."
If your sister (sorry, if you don't have one) just broke up with her boyfriend, would you be "highly delighted"?
"A bit delighted" is okay, if you don't like the boyfriend.
Carefully Jo Rowling placed the description of Ron, after the long detail on Ginny's movements.
My take is: Jo Rowling uses Harry as her camera to capture the situation. The camera stayed at Ginny long enough to register her actions:
- scratching her nose absently - scratch, scracth
- turning the Quibbler upside down - woooosh.
- beginning marking her answers (plural) - scribble, scribble.
then it moves to register Ron's face. He looked highly delighted.
Ginny stopped speaking for at least 5 seconds and Ron was still looking highly delighted? What if during the 5 seconds, Ron was watching Harry's reactions?
Ron wanted to make a great chess move (his Queen taking Harry's castle) and he had to wait for Harry to witness it. So he waited. Harry still didn't look back at the chessboard. What took him so long?
Harry was not at all looking at the chessboard. He was goggling at Ginny!
Ron looked highly delighted.
Share with you one more thing: Both Harry and Ginny needs true love to drive Voldemort from their body and mind. True love is what Voldemort fears and doesn't have. Harry's mother's true love saved Harry from Voldemort. Harry and Ginny can only drive Voldemort away forever from them if true love stays in their hearts. We know Ginny's affection to Harry last up to now (even if she's given up waiting for Harry's advances). She was willing to die for him at the DOM.
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Yes, I do have one, and she does have a boyfriend who is about to ask her to marry him. I don't know why I'd be happy if my sister broke up with her boyfriend. I'd be sad, because I'd know that she'd be unhappy. Why should I be happy because my sister broke up with somebody who was supposed to marry her? It's not her fault her last fiancé broke up with her and told her the only reason why he asked her to marry him was to keep the relationship going. But thanks for asking
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| My take is: Jo Rowling uses Harry as her camera to capture the situation. The camera stayed at Ginny long enough to register her actions: - scratching her nose absently - scratch, scracth - turning the Quibbler upside down - woooosh. - beginning marking her answers (plural) - scribble, scribble. |
Well, actually, there was one spot in the book where Harry was not the camera. In SS, during his first Quidditch match, it shows how Ron, Hermione, Neville and Hagrid react to Harry's slipping off his broom. So how can we be sure that she is always using Harry as a camera?
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| What if during the 5 seconds, Ron was watching Harry's reactions? Ron wanted to make a great chess move (his Queen taking Harry's castle) and he had to wait for Harry to witness it. So he waited. Harry still didn't look back at the chessboard. What took him so long? |
Well, when playing chess, you don't want to make such quick decisions. You want to think out your move. Ron has been playing chess for a long time and is the best in the school as far as we know. So why would it be odd for him to take "so long" to make his next move? And, like I said before, I think Ron was gladder about how Ginny wasn't going out with Michael anymore. Not because Harry was watching Ginny. And normally, the older brother doesn't want his baby sister to go out with his best friend. But even if Ron does want Harry and Ginny to go out, it doesn't mean they will, now does it? Ginny doesn't care about what Ron wants her to do because it makes him feel better. Ginny is too independent for that.
| QUOTE (muggleview @ Apr 25 2005, 04:13 PM) |
| The July 16, 2005 date is nearing. When Harry Potter and the Half-blood Prince is out on that day, there is a possibility some of the (relation-)ships will be shot down. For us who love to debate, the time is short, yet there are many things we still want to discuss about. The big question was not covered: Who will Harry love? The recent polls on "who do you want to see with Harry in HBP" showed that Ginny took the first place, followed by Luna and Hermione. Therefore, I propose to start by debating the possibility of Harry/Ginny versus Harry with other girl (Sorry! no slash, please. There is already a separate thread for it). |
harry might like ginny but... i an sure harrywill fall for another girl
i just hope the girl is worthery of him
Cho_chang, that's what I believe, too. Harry will end up with the best suited girl for him. It's Harry Potter series anyway. Jo Rowling will pair him with someone that makes him happy. So far I don't see another girl that can make him happy (cheerful and confident), other than Ginny.
Backside, LLtWK has posted once about this. I agree with him that it was a beginner's mistake by Jo. SS is her first book, and she is not that consistent like with the next ones. Anyway Jo may not make big mistake. The different camera angle served a purpose to introduce Quidditch to the readers for the first time. She made another mistake in book 4, when she wrote the murder in Riddle House with Harry witnessed it in his dream, not from Voldemort's eyes, but as a third person. But when Harry is really present, Jo always uses Harry as the camera. In the close room dialog like this, we clearly see that the focus was coincidental with Harry's focus. As he focused on Ginny, Harry could not describe Neville, Hermione or Ron. When he describe Ron, he couldn't describe what his chessmen are doing. Jo Rowling have been pretty consistent on this.
I disagree with the notion that older brother normally doesn't want his baby sister going out with his best friend. I don't think it's normally. It's on case by case basis. Some doesn't (if his best friend doesn't suit his sister), but some encourages it (if his best friend suits her), because in one strike you achieve two deeds: make both happy and fulfill older brother duty to protect the happiness of the little sister.
Ron has known Harry for a while and only now (after 5 schoolyear) did he openly bless the relationship. Remember, Ron never urges Harry to approach his sister except one time for Yule Ball, as the last resort. Ron was said to be protective in term of not letting Ginny has boyfriend yet, because he thought she was too young for it.
Now he realized that Ginny is capable of understanding romance and Harry also knows how to overlook "look alone" in girls and be wiser in romance. Ron feels more confident to hook them up. Not "so badly", LLtWK! because Ron said it just as a light advice for both of them to choose each other. Ron is wise enough not to pinpoint exactly who to whom. Hence, the "furtive" look. I won't be surprise if Jo means it to be a prologue to Book 6.
Back to the old post that I skipped for a more urgent topic of Ginny's warning to Harry in the train. LLtWK said:
Backside, LLtWK has posted once about this. I agree with him that it was a beginner's mistake by Jo. SS is her first book, and she is not that consistent like with the next ones. Anyway Jo may not make big mistake. The different camera angle served a purpose to introduce Quidditch to the readers for the first time. She made another mistake in book 4, when she wrote the murder in Riddle House with Harry witnessed it in his dream, not from Voldemort's eyes, but as a third person. But when Harry is really present, Jo always uses Harry as the camera. In the close room dialog like this, we clearly see that the focus was coincidental with Harry's focus. As he focused on Ginny, Harry could not describe Neville, Hermione or Ron. When he describe Ron, he couldn't describe what his chessmen are doing. Jo Rowling have been pretty consistent on this.
I disagree with the notion that older brother normally doesn't want his baby sister going out with his best friend. I don't think it's normally. It's on case by case basis. Some doesn't (if his best friend doesn't suit his sister), but some encourages it (if his best friend suits her), because in one strike you achieve two deeds: make both happy and fulfill older brother duty to protect the happiness of the little sister.
Ron has known Harry for a while and only now (after 5 schoolyear) did he openly bless the relationship. Remember, Ron never urges Harry to approach his sister except one time for Yule Ball, as the last resort. Ron was said to be protective in term of not letting Ginny has boyfriend yet, because he thought she was too young for it.
Now he realized that Ginny is capable of understanding romance and Harry also knows how to overlook "look alone" in girls and be wiser in romance. Ron feels more confident to hook them up. Not "so badly", LLtWK! because Ron said it just as a light advice for both of them to choose each other. Ron is wise enough not to pinpoint exactly who to whom. Hence, the "furtive" look. I won't be surprise if Jo means it to be a prologue to Book 6.
Back to the old post that I skipped for a more urgent topic of Ginny's warning to Harry in the train. LLtWK said:
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| Still, I see what you're saying. Basically, that his wealth could benifit Ginny more than Harry. I really hope he does not consider such things while trying to decide who he falls in love with. |
I think we are in agreement in this. I don't want Harry to decide based on wealth, but in the fairy tale, it's a good balance. "Rich marries rich" doesn't make readers feel good. "Rich marries poor" does.
I see your point to show that Luna is not wealthy. The way she wants her things back in OOP may be interpreted as that, although why she didn't bother to find them earlier may show she was not possessive enough. Ron, for example, was very possessive of Scabbers, because that's his pet, even if Scabbers was old, useless and hands-down from his older brother. He was so mad when Crookshank tried to eat it and eventually broke up (temporarily) with Hermione when he lost it.
One correction, LLtWK. Ginny didn't give up on Harry "ages ago" but "months ago" according to the canon. That can be traced since she stop smiling for knowing Harry has asked another girl (Cho) right before her nose for Yule Ball. Thus, since December the year before. So, Ginny finally realized that she shouldn't expect Harry to take notice on her, just like what she feared and wrote in Riddle's diary.
What Ginny didn't know, that once Hermione said the statement about her "giving up on" Harry, Harry started to notice her. Still thinking about Cho, he suddenly realize Ginny dare to speak in front of him. And Harry began to fill the pages of OOP with Ginny's actions.
There was a quote from a while back where Jo stated her favorite characters.
Interviewer: Who is your favourite character in the books?
Rowling: I have loads of favourite characters. I really like Harry, Ron, Hermione, Hagrid and Dumbledore. I love writing Snape - even though he is not always the nicest person, he is really fun to write. I love writing Dudley. If I could meet anyone, I might choose Lupin. I really like him. My favourite new character is Luna - I am very fond of her.
You would think that Jo would like the character that Harry ends up with. They would have to be very important in the books. For example, Lupin, Ron and Hermione. All three of them will play a very important role in Harry's life. She always mentions Lupin when asked this question, so obviously she is very fond of him. I think that, if asked the question more often, Jo would also say that Luna was one of her favorites.
Interviewer: Who is your favourite character in the books?
Rowling: I have loads of favourite characters. I really like Harry, Ron, Hermione, Hagrid and Dumbledore. I love writing Snape - even though he is not always the nicest person, he is really fun to write. I love writing Dudley. If I could meet anyone, I might choose Lupin. I really like him. My favourite new character is Luna - I am very fond of her.
You would think that Jo would like the character that Harry ends up with. They would have to be very important in the books. For example, Lupin, Ron and Hermione. All three of them will play a very important role in Harry's life. She always mentions Lupin when asked this question, so obviously she is very fond of him. I think that, if asked the question more often, Jo would also say that Luna was one of her favorites.
Backside,
Jo Rowling masterfully teases us:
In a BBC interview (2001?)
Will Harry ever notice the long-suffering Ginny Weasley?
JKR: You'll see... poor Ginny, eh?..
A girl once commented this way: Looks like a warning for Harry!
Jo Rowling masterfully teases us:
In a BBC interview (2001?)
Will Harry ever notice the long-suffering Ginny Weasley?
JKR: You'll see... poor Ginny, eh?..
A girl once commented this way: Looks like a warning for Harry!
Well, I have nothing to say right now, but I didn't want you to have the last post in here... I'm just stubborn I guess. Last words of wisdom from Baboon's_Backside... H/L all the way.
Rock on!
Rock on!
Well we can't have a H/L shipper having the last word, now cone we
When Harry imagines himself with Cho she is laughing and happy, I think this is a good indication of what Harry is looking for in a relationship.
How does that match up with your pairing (this is to any ship)
Harry has caught Ginny's eyes to laugh at something and even chose Ginny to have a joke with above Ron and Hermione.
eg
When Harry imagines himself with Cho she is laughing and happy, I think this is a good indication of what Harry is looking for in a relationship.
How does that match up with your pairing (this is to any ship)
Harry has caught Ginny's eyes to laugh at something and even chose Ginny to have a joke with above Ron and Hermione.
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| Percy and Ginny suddenly appeared behind Harry. They were panting and had apparently taken the barrier at a run. “Ah, there’s Penelope!” said Percy, smoothing his hair and going pink again. Ginny caught Harry’s eye, and they both turned away to hide their laughter as Percy strode over to a girl with long, curly hair, walking with his chest thrown out so that she couldn’t miss his shiny badge. --PoA, The Dementor |
Why have this moment, it could have been with Ron or Hermione even the twins, but JKR gives this moment to Ginny.
Same with the st Mungo's scene, he could have joked with Ron or Hermione.
In OotP Ginny has been linked with the twins a coule of times as well, and we all know the twins are humourous.
Ron seemed to think Harry should find some one more cheerful than Cho.
JKR has said that Harry is the most prone to depression out of the trio (for good reason) It os my belief that whom ever Harry ends up with, they must at least be capable of having a laugh with Harry.
A new topic: Luna has served her purpose in OOP.
As in every book, Jo Rowling introduced characters, who shines and dies down, either dead or in the background. Quirell, Lockhart, Lupin, Couch, Umbridge, Fudge, Bagman, Sirius, Oliver, Cedric, Cho, Roger Davies, Michael etc.
I think Luna Lovegood is part of this trend. She is only introduced almost a third into Book 5. She was introduced with the association to his father as an editor for Quibbler. She was conveniently attached to Ginny since Book 5, without any traces in the previous books. Kind of a patched character for a short period of time. As sudden as Luna, Jo Rowling introduced the Quibbler, which was never mentioned in previous books.
Other than to provide some comical relieves, the main reason Luna is introduced definitely has something to do with Harry's Interview. Rita Skeeter alone may not enough to assure the publication, because Daily Prophet is controlled by the Ministry. Without a strong connection and Rita's half-hearted will (she did it because Hermione blackmailed her), the prospect of putting it in Witch Weekly or other known publications are dim.
Jo Rowling has to made it believable that a newspaper is willing to risk Ministry's wrath by placing Harry's interview. The suddenly appeared Quibbler with connection to suddenly discovered Ginny's close-friend-for-ages, Luna, is a good vehicle to do so. Of course, Jo Rowling has to make a reason why Luna can be attached to Ginny. Apparently, she has crush on Ron. Shamelessly (but astonishingly) she offered herself to be invited by Ron for the next ball, squished herself to Ron (when the Quibbler with Harry's interview arrived), showing lifesize roaring Lionhead to Ron, and singing "Weasley is the King" in odd moments. Therefore, it's not surprising if she shamelessly considers herself as Ginny's close friend. I don't bash Luna for being shameless, because that's how her character is. She doesn't mind being different from others and she seems to live in a different dreamy world. Luna also has one more purpose for Harry: the first student that Harry knows can see thestrals, which is related to deaths. Luna is the only one that can talk to Harry about Sirius' death , especially for the hope to still be able to see him after death, because Luna can accommodate this "unusual" idea and even give hope to Harry. Jo Rowling confirmed that Sirius' dead is final, so the hope Luna gave is empty, although for the time being, it gave relief to Harry. I don't know what will Harry think about Luna, once he realizes that he will not be able to see Sirius again.
Thus, in OOP we see a cycle of Luna's purpose. It is amazingly a mirror image to Lupin in POA. Book 3 <---> Book 5.
Lupin met the trio in the train, had his moment of glory, and then faded out before the end of the book. Lupin still has a minor role in the next books. I believe Luna will be mentioned again in the coming books. Jo Rowling likes her character. However, she has done all she can do to help Harry. Harry knows Thestrals, Harry's interview has been published, Harry's hope to see Sirius again is elated (not sure for how long, though), so Luna was never mentioned again after she wished Harry good-bye for the summer.
Can Luna be Harry's LI? Yes. However, there are some obstacles.
- Harry knows her crush to Ron and the crush does not officially end yet. Will Harry feel comfortable to approach her, when he has bad experience with Cho still thinking about Cedric?
- Luna is Ginny's close friend. During the events leading to DOM raid, Luna must have seen Ginny's determination to help and if necessary die for Harry. That's probably why she politely refused Harry's offer to help her and left Harry alone after posting her note. Luna may have flirted with the thought about Harry. Girls love a hero. However, being a loyal friend, she has to wait until Ginny can let go completely of Harry, maybe after official breakup or denial, just like Harry to Hermione.
- Jo Rowling's comments in her website that Neville will find Luna's flight of fancy alarming, bring a thought to who will end up with Luna. Neville is an average boy who may not get attention from girls, due to his notorious forgetfulness and errors (leaving password on paper in POA, so Sirius could enter Gryffindor dormitory). He would definitely be happy if Loony Luna accept his approach. But no! Jo confirms that even a desperate Neville will not be with Luna because he is afraid of Luna's flight of fancy. Harry did not show appreciation to Luna's flight of fancy either. He and Ginny shared a laugh on Luna's plan for summer holiday. Luna can eventually find a boy who didn't find her flight of fancy alarming, but I don't think that boy will be Harry or Ron.
That's my opinion of this. One more thing: I love Luna's character in HP series. She is so unique and great material to write. I don't mean to bash her. I just want to present her the way I see it. I want to see her again in Book 6 and 7.
As in every book, Jo Rowling introduced characters, who shines and dies down, either dead or in the background. Quirell, Lockhart, Lupin, Couch, Umbridge, Fudge, Bagman, Sirius, Oliver, Cedric, Cho, Roger Davies, Michael etc.
I think Luna Lovegood is part of this trend. She is only introduced almost a third into Book 5. She was introduced with the association to his father as an editor for Quibbler. She was conveniently attached to Ginny since Book 5, without any traces in the previous books. Kind of a patched character for a short period of time. As sudden as Luna, Jo Rowling introduced the Quibbler, which was never mentioned in previous books.
Other than to provide some comical relieves, the main reason Luna is introduced definitely has something to do with Harry's Interview. Rita Skeeter alone may not enough to assure the publication, because Daily Prophet is controlled by the Ministry. Without a strong connection and Rita's half-hearted will (she did it because Hermione blackmailed her), the prospect of putting it in Witch Weekly or other known publications are dim.
Jo Rowling has to made it believable that a newspaper is willing to risk Ministry's wrath by placing Harry's interview. The suddenly appeared Quibbler with connection to suddenly discovered Ginny's close-friend-for-ages, Luna, is a good vehicle to do so. Of course, Jo Rowling has to make a reason why Luna can be attached to Ginny. Apparently, she has crush on Ron. Shamelessly (but astonishingly) she offered herself to be invited by Ron for the next ball, squished herself to Ron (when the Quibbler with Harry's interview arrived), showing lifesize roaring Lionhead to Ron, and singing "Weasley is the King" in odd moments. Therefore, it's not surprising if she shamelessly considers herself as Ginny's close friend. I don't bash Luna for being shameless, because that's how her character is. She doesn't mind being different from others and she seems to live in a different dreamy world. Luna also has one more purpose for Harry: the first student that Harry knows can see thestrals, which is related to deaths. Luna is the only one that can talk to Harry about Sirius' death , especially for the hope to still be able to see him after death, because Luna can accommodate this "unusual" idea and even give hope to Harry. Jo Rowling confirmed that Sirius' dead is final, so the hope Luna gave is empty, although for the time being, it gave relief to Harry. I don't know what will Harry think about Luna, once he realizes that he will not be able to see Sirius again.
Thus, in OOP we see a cycle of Luna's purpose. It is amazingly a mirror image to Lupin in POA. Book 3 <---> Book 5.
Lupin met the trio in the train, had his moment of glory, and then faded out before the end of the book. Lupin still has a minor role in the next books. I believe Luna will be mentioned again in the coming books. Jo Rowling likes her character. However, she has done all she can do to help Harry. Harry knows Thestrals, Harry's interview has been published, Harry's hope to see Sirius again is elated (not sure for how long, though), so Luna was never mentioned again after she wished Harry good-bye for the summer.
Can Luna be Harry's LI? Yes. However, there are some obstacles.
- Harry knows her crush to Ron and the crush does not officially end yet. Will Harry feel comfortable to approach her, when he has bad experience with Cho still thinking about Cedric?
- Luna is Ginny's close friend. During the events leading to DOM raid, Luna must have seen Ginny's determination to help and if necessary die for Harry. That's probably why she politely refused Harry's offer to help her and left Harry alone after posting her note. Luna may have flirted with the thought about Harry. Girls love a hero. However, being a loyal friend, she has to wait until Ginny can let go completely of Harry, maybe after official breakup or denial, just like Harry to Hermione.
- Jo Rowling's comments in her website that Neville will find Luna's flight of fancy alarming, bring a thought to who will end up with Luna. Neville is an average boy who may not get attention from girls, due to his notorious forgetfulness and errors (leaving password on paper in POA, so Sirius could enter Gryffindor dormitory). He would definitely be happy if Loony Luna accept his approach. But no! Jo confirms that even a desperate Neville will not be with Luna because he is afraid of Luna's flight of fancy. Harry did not show appreciation to Luna's flight of fancy either. He and Ginny shared a laugh on Luna's plan for summer holiday. Luna can eventually find a boy who didn't find her flight of fancy alarming, but I don't think that boy will be Harry or Ron.
That's my opinion of this. One more thing: I love Luna's character in HP series. She is so unique and great material to write. I don't mean to bash her. I just want to present her the way I see it. I want to see her again in Book 6 and 7.
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"No, not the Lovegoods. The Lovegoods could even afford to stay for a week longer than the Weasleys." |
I would like to point out that this actually means they have cheap tickets...In Goblet of Fire it mentions that the cheaper seats you have, the earlier you are expected to arrive to set up camp.
GOF pg. 69 US Paperback:
"First, of course, we have to stagger the arrivals. People with cheaper tickets have to arrive two weeks beforehand."
So, since the Lovegoods arrived a week early, I would guess that they have no good connections that would give good tickets (like the Weasleys) and that they are also not rich, but not really poor either (exceptionally poor people couldnt/shouldnt even afford cheap seats at a world championship level event)
However, I dont really think the wealth thing makes much difference. The fact of the matter is, even if Luna and her father are a less than well off, it is not an emphasized part of her character. The Weasleys are poor, and it is a somewhat prominent characteristic of their family. This serves as a nice point of minor conflict, because Harry is rich. So, if it is to be a cinderella story in the monetary sense, it would have to be Harry/Ginny. However, socially speaking, Harry/Luna would serve as a cinderella story as well, because she is an outcast. For that matter, Harry/Hermione could be construed as a cinderella story, because the hero would be ending up with a nerdy bookworm, and also a muggleborn (some people, would look down on this - wizard celebrity with an "inferior" muggleborn witch). So each girl could be seen a cinderella story of sorts. Ginny and Hermione have both had somewhat cinderella like moments - Hermione's at the yule ball, and Ginny's in a more general sense in all of OotP. Luna could have a cinderella moment yet
While I support Harry/Hermione, I do think Ginny is an option for Harry. However, JKR needs to give her more screen time, and write her in such a way that the readers will love her. I don't dislike Ginny, but I feel that her character is inadquately developed for the love interest of the hero.
For some reason, I feel a stronger emotional attachment to Luna, than to Ginny. And certainly the attachment to Hermione is the strongest out of the female characters. I think the readers definately need to be attached to whoever Harry falls in love with, so like I said, Ginny needs more development if Harry is to love her.
Hi everyone.
I'm brand new here (just signed up literally 5 mins ago) so forgive me if I don't get everything right first time.
Anyhooooooo
Harry and Ginny - not because of anything in particular that's struck me as significant in the books, but basically because I like thins to be neat and tied off properly. So bearing this character flaw of mine in mind:-
The weasleys are the nearest thing Harry has ever had regarding a family (not counting sirius but he's gone)
Mr and Mrs Weasley seem to treat Harry as one of their own.
Ginny is becoming a much stronger character especially since the formation of D A in 5.
Her enthusiasm for DADA is making her more significant to Harry in her own right - not just as Ron's kid sister.
Ron and Hermione are a foregone conclusion (to me anyhow)
Ron has this big brother, growly thing towards any boy at school who shows an interest in Ginny - but doesn't seem to mind a Harry Ginny thing.
Both Harry and Ginny have come up against Voldemort - a bond there then
Only fly in the ointment then would be Neville - but for him there's always Luna.
Anyway that's my opinion for what it's worth.
I'm brand new here (just signed up literally 5 mins ago) so forgive me if I don't get everything right first time.
Anyhooooooo
Harry and Ginny - not because of anything in particular that's struck me as significant in the books, but basically because I like thins to be neat and tied off properly. So bearing this character flaw of mine in mind:-
The weasleys are the nearest thing Harry has ever had regarding a family (not counting sirius but he's gone)
Mr and Mrs Weasley seem to treat Harry as one of their own.
Ginny is becoming a much stronger character especially since the formation of D A in 5.
Her enthusiasm for DADA is making her more significant to Harry in her own right - not just as Ron's kid sister.
Ron and Hermione are a foregone conclusion (to me anyhow)
Ron has this big brother, growly thing towards any boy at school who shows an interest in Ginny - but doesn't seem to mind a Harry Ginny thing.
Both Harry and Ginny have come up against Voldemort - a bond there then
Only fly in the ointment then would be Neville - but for him there's always Luna.
Anyway that's my opinion for what it's worth.
Minerva,
Welcome to the thread.
Glad to have a new Harry/Ginny supporter.
Valeriehall343,
There is a discrepancy: cheap tickets - 2 weeks before, but for expensive tickets? Anytime they want! The Weasley cannot afford to pay the accommodation longer, so they came just on the day of the game.
The Lovegoods came one week before the game, meaning they are not holding cheaper tickets. They went there early on purpose, perhaps to catch invisible mascots from both teams and publish it in the Quibbler.
One big omission: Jo Rowling never said that Luna is poor, although she states clearly that the Weasleys are poor, from Ron and Ginny is Riddle's diary.
I agree that wealth does not play a role for the selection. However, it almost always plays a role in fairy tales: a rich lady falls for a poor boy and a rich prince falls for a poor girl.
Hermione has sufficient money. Harry has sufficient money. If Harry is with Hermione, it's not a cinderella story!
Poor Ron + Not-poor Hermione will be a good combination. Hermione is not after the money, she is after the boy.
Poor Ginny + Not-poor Harry is a cinderella story.
I wonder why Jo Rowling included this quote then:
Welcome to the thread.
Glad to have a new Harry/Ginny supporter.
Valeriehall343,
There is a discrepancy: cheap tickets - 2 weeks before, but for expensive tickets? Anytime they want! The Weasley cannot afford to pay the accommodation longer, so they came just on the day of the game.
The Lovegoods came one week before the game, meaning they are not holding cheaper tickets. They went there early on purpose, perhaps to catch invisible mascots from both teams and publish it in the Quibbler.
One big omission: Jo Rowling never said that Luna is poor, although she states clearly that the Weasleys are poor, from Ron and Ginny is Riddle's diary.
I agree that wealth does not play a role for the selection. However, it almost always plays a role in fairy tales: a rich lady falls for a poor boy and a rich prince falls for a poor girl.
Hermione has sufficient money. Harry has sufficient money. If Harry is with Hermione, it's not a cinderella story!
Poor Ron + Not-poor Hermione will be a good combination. Hermione is not after the money, she is after the boy.
Poor Ginny + Not-poor Harry is a cinderella story.
I wonder why Jo Rowling included this quote then:
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| "Why are they all sending Howlers?" asked Ginny, who was mending her copy of One Thousand Magical Herbs and Fungi with Spellotape on the rug in front of the living room fire. (GOF Ch 10) |
What a tough girl. She did it without a whimper in front of Harry (and Hermione, although she was too immersed in her reading).
Regarding a development of character to suit the hero, actually Ginny is more developed than Hermione. From book 1 to 5, Hermione is the same Hermione, still bossy/temperamental, know-it-all. Ginny changes from proactive in Book 1, awkward in Book 2, shy in Book 3, disappointed in Book 4, forceful in Book 5. It seems to form a U-curve with the low point in Book 4 and now is increasing again.
I don't think Harry's love interest depends on the readers favourite poll. Who Harry likes is Harry's own choice, especially when the girl is always attracted his attention favourably despite not often seeing her.
Hey! I am new to any forum and this is my first ever post. I really love Harry Potter and I am very anxious for HBP. I don't think Harry and Ginny would make a good match. And Luna Lovegood? Loony Luna? No way!! I do think Harry and Hermione are good together, but there is where I am stuck. Is it just me, or have Hermione and Ron always seemed to, well, just seem connected. Like in some of the first movies, when Hermione jumps and hugs Ron, they get all embarassed. I don't really know what to think!
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Bumblebee93,
Welcome to the thread.
Since book 1 Hermione has shown to be interested more in Ron than in Harry in more than friend level.
Here is some things to ponder:
Welcome to the thread.
Since book 1 Hermione has shown to be interested more in Ron than in Harry in more than friend level.
Here is some things to ponder:
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| [SS. p.221-222] Little did Harry know that Ron and Hermione had been secretly practicing the Leg-Locker Curse. They’d gotten the idea from Malfoy using it on Neville, and were ready to use it on Snape if he showed any sign of wanting to hurt Harry. “Now, don’t forget, it’s Locomotoris Mortis,” Hermione muttered as Ron slipped his wand up his sleeve. “I know,” Ron snapped. “Don’t nag.” |
They made a nice bond, teaming together, practicing in secret, bantering. They found a common objective: protecting Harry.
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| [COS p.211] Christmas morning dawned, cold and white. Harry and Ron, the only ones left in their dormitory, were woken very early by Hermione, who burst in, fully dressed and carrying presents for them both. “Wake up,” she said loudly, pulling back the curtains at the window. “Hermione --- you’re not supposed to be in here ---“ said Ron, shielding his eyes against the light. “Merry Christmas to you, too,” said Hermione, throwing him his present. “I’ve been up for nearly an hour, adding more lacewings to the potion. It’s ready.” Harry sat up, suddenly wide awake. “Are you sure?” “Positive,” said Hermione, shifting Scabbers the rat so that she could sit down on the end of Ron’s four-poster. “If we’re going to do it, I say it should be tonight.” |
Of all five beds, four of them without Scabbers, Hermione felt she was more comfortable sitting down on Ron's.
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| [POA p. 292].“Yeah, it will,” said Ron fiercely. “You won’t have to do all the work alone this time, Hermione. I’ll help.” “Oh, Ron!” Hermione flung her arms around Ron’s neck and broke down completely. Ron, looking quite terrified, patted her very awkwardly on the top of the head. Finally, Hermione drew away. “Ron, I’m really, really sorry about Scabbers…,” she sobbed. "Oh -- well -- he was old," said Ron, looking thoroughly relieved that she had let go of him. "And he was a bit useless. You never know, Mum and Dad might get me an owl now." |
She never did that to Harry.
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| [GOF p. 432]"Well, if you don't like it, you know what the solution is, don't you?" yelled Hermione; her hair was coming down out of its elegant bun now, and her face was screwed up with anger. "Oh yeah?" Ron yelled back. "What's that?" "Next time there's a ball, ask me before someone else does, and not as a last resort!" Ron mouthed soundlessly like a goldfish out of water as Hermione turned on her heel and stormed up the girls' staircase to bed. |
She never asked Harry to take her to the ball.
In OOP, Harry recognized Hermione as one of the Weasleys
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| [OOP Ch 24 Occlumency] The kitchen door opened and the entire Weasley family, plus Hermione, came inside, all looking very happy, with Mr. Weasley walking proudly in their midst dressed in a pair of striped pyjamas covered by a mackintosh. "Cured!" he announced brightly to the kitchen at large. "Completely cured!" He and all the other Weasleys froze on the threshold, gazing at the scene in front of them, which was also suspended in mid-action, both Sirius and Snape looking towards the door with their wands pointing into each other's faces and Harry immobile between them, a hand stretched out to each of them, trying to force them apart. Both Sirius and Snape lowered their wands. Harry looked from one to the other. Each wore an expression of utmost contempt, yet the unexpected entrance of so many witnesses seemed to have brought them to their senses. Snape pocketed his wand, turned on his heel and swept back across the kitchen, passing the Weasleys without comment. At the door he looked back. |
So, you are right: Hermione has built up a bond with Ron. However, she still one of Harry's best friends and is ready to help Harry whenever he needs it.
If Hermione is with Ron, who will Harry end up with?
My bet is Ginny. She is the girl tailored by the author to meet Harry's need.
- Harry doesn't like crying girl. Hermione cries a lot. Ginny never cried except in COS (and she would not be normal if she was not crying at all).
- Harry loves to play Quidditch. Somehow Ginny is suddenly very good at Quidditch.
- Harry needs someone to confide as he distrusts Ron and Hermione. Ginny came with Chocolate, soothing words and great help.
- Harry likes to glance at her. Otherwise, how can we the readers know a lot about a girl one-year junior of Harry, more than any other girl except Hermione, Harry's classmate.
I posted in R/Hr vs H/Hr debate something that concerns Harry/Ginny. So I think I will post a part of it here as well:
I found in the literatures, female authors most likely put the control in the hand of female protagonists (Female Power). I suspect HP series follows this trend. It’s true the story is about a boy, but the outcome of the romance is controlled by the females.
What makes me certain about R/Hr is not Ron’s act, but Hermione’s. I assumes Ron does not think of having any girlfriend at this point. However, Hermione already set her eyes on him since Book 1 and if she is not changing her mind, there is a little hope for Ron to go with any other female characters in the future.
In Book 1: Hermione is the one taking initiative to do something privately with Ron behind Harry’s back. It’s for Harry, so Ron agreed. It’s for Harry, so some readers are thinking it shows Hermione’s affection to Harry. But why didn’t she let Harry know? Why did she continue to do so in the next year?
In Book 2: Hermione urged Ron to start making Polyjuice Potion without waiting for Harry.
In Book 3,4,5: Hermione and Ron had separate communication. Ron has been more informative to Harry, and Hermione has been courteous in her letters, but Hermione always met Ron earlier than Harry, without any explanation.
What I see is the trend of Hermione targetting Ron. I couldn’t see Hermione targetting Harry. Yes, she is helpful, and going an extra mile to help Harry. However, there’s no personal approach from Hermione to Harry. No intentional one-on-one meeting, like Cho to Harry. Even when Hermione was left alone with Harry, she always included Ron into the conversation. Therefore, as long as Hermione is still paying attention to Ron like that, R/Hr will happen. If only Hermione approaches Harry for a private talk without Ron, then I would doubt R/Hr. Until now, Ron is under the mercy of Hermione.
I was thinking that Fleur possesses control as well, playing with Cedric and Roger Davies. However when she falls for Bill, her control is not that obvious very much.
Actually, Harry is also under the mercy of Cho. The whole Harry-Cho relationship is controlled by Cho. Cho liked Cedric, so Harry was left dreaming. Cedric died, then Cho approached Harry, so they dated. Harry was not mature enough, so Cho ditched Harry.
So much for believing that “girls want to be asked by boys”.
The most powerful control is given to Ginny: She has initiated the whole romantic thing in HP series. Her being “very taken with” Harry is the start of non-platonic storyline. Although Ginny was mentioned very little in Book 3 and 4, all readers have no doubt that she is languishing in love for Harry, while many involve in debating “who does Hermione love: Ron or Harry.”
In OOP, she has the power to give up her crush, to go out with a boy under her brothers’ radar, to ditch a boyfriend and to choose her next partner. No other female character got the privilege to do so by the author. That’s why I believe she was reserved for Harry. She is a good match for the hero, …. If she decides to love Harry.
I found in the literatures, female authors most likely put the control in the hand of female protagonists (Female Power). I suspect HP series follows this trend. It’s true the story is about a boy, but the outcome of the romance is controlled by the females.
What makes me certain about R/Hr is not Ron’s act, but Hermione’s. I assumes Ron does not think of having any girlfriend at this point. However, Hermione already set her eyes on him since Book 1 and if she is not changing her mind, there is a little hope for Ron to go with any other female characters in the future.
In Book 1: Hermione is the one taking initiative to do something privately with Ron behind Harry’s back. It’s for Harry, so Ron agreed. It’s for Harry, so some readers are thinking it shows Hermione’s affection to Harry. But why didn’t she let Harry know? Why did she continue to do so in the next year?
In Book 2: Hermione urged Ron to start making Polyjuice Potion without waiting for Harry.
In Book 3,4,5: Hermione and Ron had separate communication. Ron has been more informative to Harry, and Hermione has been courteous in her letters, but Hermione always met Ron earlier than Harry, without any explanation.
What I see is the trend of Hermione targetting Ron. I couldn’t see Hermione targetting Harry. Yes, she is helpful, and going an extra mile to help Harry. However, there’s no personal approach from Hermione to Harry. No intentional one-on-one meeting, like Cho to Harry. Even when Hermione was left alone with Harry, she always included Ron into the conversation. Therefore, as long as Hermione is still paying attention to Ron like that, R/Hr will happen. If only Hermione approaches Harry for a private talk without Ron, then I would doubt R/Hr. Until now, Ron is under the mercy of Hermione.
I was thinking that Fleur possesses control as well, playing with Cedric and Roger Davies. However when she falls for Bill, her control is not that obvious very much.
Actually, Harry is also under the mercy of Cho. The whole Harry-Cho relationship is controlled by Cho. Cho liked Cedric, so Harry was left dreaming. Cedric died, then Cho approached Harry, so they dated. Harry was not mature enough, so Cho ditched Harry.
So much for believing that “girls want to be asked by boys”.
The most powerful control is given to Ginny: She has initiated the whole romantic thing in HP series. Her being “very taken with” Harry is the start of non-platonic storyline. Although Ginny was mentioned very little in Book 3 and 4, all readers have no doubt that she is languishing in love for Harry, while many involve in debating “who does Hermione love: Ron or Harry.”
In OOP, she has the power to give up her crush, to go out with a boy under her brothers’ radar, to ditch a boyfriend and to choose her next partner. No other female character got the privilege to do so by the author. That’s why I believe she was reserved for Harry. She is a good match for the hero, …. If she decides to love Harry.
Hmm...Harry/Ginny is a good match, I would say. They get along well, like in the library. But there are several obsticles to this pair. The first is obvious: Ron. Ron doesn't like the guys that Ginny dates; he was comforable with her crush on Harry because he knew it would never amount to anything. It would be interesting to see his reaction.
The second is what could Harry bring to the relationship? What does Harry do for Ginny? Ginny to Harry is obvious; she brings a strong will, someone for Harry to lean on in the times ahead. But we just don't know what Ginny is looking for in a guy; why did she choose that Ravenclaw kid? Why Dean? If we could find some insight into that, then we would have the making of a case.
Also, Muggleview, you should expand on your first paragraph and post it in the H/Hr v. R/Hr thread, as I don't think you got that point across entirely well. I didn't catch on that you were making Hermione out to be the strong force in this, which would be really helpful, seeing as the only thing under question is whether or not Hermione likes Ron.
The second is what could Harry bring to the relationship? What does Harry do for Ginny? Ginny to Harry is obvious; she brings a strong will, someone for Harry to lean on in the times ahead. But we just don't know what Ginny is looking for in a guy; why did she choose that Ravenclaw kid? Why Dean? If we could find some insight into that, then we would have the making of a case.
Also, Muggleview, you should expand on your first paragraph and post it in the H/Hr v. R/Hr thread, as I don't think you got that point across entirely well. I didn't catch on that you were making Hermione out to be the strong force in this, which would be really helpful, seeing as the only thing under question is whether or not Hermione likes Ron.
QQS, thanks for your good comment. I posted an elaborate version in the R/Hr vs. H/Hr thread a long while ago. I reposted this with some modification to ignite a debate on H/G vs. H/Hr. Unfortunately H/Hr supporters didn't pick up. This thread is more about H/G vs. H/L.
You brought up a good point which I hope to address here:
What can Harry bring to Ginny?
A short answer: a fulfillment of the love of a lifetime.
Ginny has been languishing in love for Harry since she was 10.
Her forceful personality kept this feeling for years until she realized she has to do something differently than just waiting for Harry to ask her.
It seems that Ginny didn't think about having a nice husband with a nice house etc. She just followed her intuition to adore Harry, with all his baggage. If Harry asked her out, she would feel as the happiest woman alive. What comes next, will be dealt later.
Michael Corner seems to be a good candidate. He is in Harry's year (thus a boy with a similar degree of maturity as Harry). He asked her out (Ginny has yet to learn to say "no"). That's the main two reasons. Additionally, he's a Ravenclaw like Penelope Clearwater, Percy's girlfriend, so he would not be seen in Gryffindor's common room. She could safely go out without Ron's knowledge, as Ron was mostly detained by Hermione or Harry in the Gryffindor common room.
A relationship with Dean Thomas is questionable, because Ginny didn't say "Dean asked me", but "I have chosen". Ginny simply stated that she was willing if Dean asked her, but at this point it's questionable that Dean has this intention.
Professor Trelawney once predicted that Harry will reach old age and has twelve children. Among all available girls surrounding Harry, I can see only Ginny would willingly do that for Harry.
You brought up a good point which I hope to address here:
What can Harry bring to Ginny?
A short answer: a fulfillment of the love of a lifetime.
Ginny has been languishing in love for Harry since she was 10.
Her forceful personality kept this feeling for years until she realized she has to do something differently than just waiting for Harry to ask her.
It seems that Ginny didn't think about having a nice husband with a nice house etc. She just followed her intuition to adore Harry, with all his baggage. If Harry asked her out, she would feel as the happiest woman alive. What comes next, will be dealt later.
Michael Corner seems to be a good candidate. He is in Harry's year (thus a boy with a similar degree of maturity as Harry). He asked her out (Ginny has yet to learn to say "no"). That's the main two reasons. Additionally, he's a Ravenclaw like Penelope Clearwater, Percy's girlfriend, so he would not be seen in Gryffindor's common room. She could safely go out without Ron's knowledge, as Ron was mostly detained by Hermione or Harry in the Gryffindor common room.
A relationship with Dean Thomas is questionable, because Ginny didn't say "Dean asked me", but "I have chosen". Ginny simply stated that she was willing if Dean asked her, but at this point it's questionable that Dean has this intention.
Professor Trelawney once predicted that Harry will reach old age and has twelve children. Among all available girls surrounding Harry, I can see only Ginny would willingly do that for Harry.
I'm totally for H/G cuz they both like adventure and I think she would want to help Harry fight Voldermort in the end and just to before Harry would not only bring happiness to Ginny but also a bit more life. She seems like a girl who wants to go wherever he goes.
And since I already have read the next book I know what happens
And since I already have read the next book I know what happens
since i all ready read the HBP book,harry and ginny remind me james and lily.james and harry have black hair,and lily and ginny have red hair.i use to be a h/hr supporter,but know i support H/G!they seem like a good couple.
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