how... odd...
- Thomas
Full Version: Harry/ Hermione - Thread 2
You know,I find it funny that NOW, R/Hrers are posting more here than H/Hr...
how... odd...
- Thomas
how... odd...
- Thomas
it's really convincing and possible for harry to fall for hermione. she's the ONLY girl in his life(except that Cho has the honor of being harry's first love but the thing is they're not gonna get together again) JK said that maybe ginny, luna, hermione or someone new will be harry's love. the most possible girl for him is HERMIONE!
come on, they're like james and lily. james - pure-blood, lily-muggle. you know they're realtionship is a lot like harry and hermione plus, there's something going on between them.
i don't care if you don't believe me but i already worked out the clues and i know who's gonna be harry's love. bye.
| QUOTE (Esrb99 @ Jul 9 2005, 08:23 PM) |
| You know,I find it funny that NOW, R/Hrers are posting more here than H/Hr... how... odd... - Thomas |
Oh, I'm still around...
And just as firmly H/Hr as I ever was...it's just that I'm currently trying to single-handedly mod the forums while everyone's away enjoying their holidays (*jealous*) so I'm a bit busy to do much commenting at the moment.... | QUOTE |
| Anyways, I have a question. in a large number of pre AND post OOTP H/Hr fics, how come Ron is usualy paired up with lavander? I have found little to no evidence whatsoever for that ship, but it seems pretty popular among the H/Hr crew. Can anyone expalin this? |
I think it's because some H/Hr shippers can't find anyone else that would fit in perfectly with Ron. Even some of us probably think that Hermione would be good for Ron. So, if Hermione isn't with Ron, who should? Ron hasn't been that...honest with another girl then he has with Hermione. (ugh..I sound like a R/Hr shipper..) And Lavender is hardly talked about, but we know she's there, and since it hasn't mentioned that Ron's been in a fight with Lavender, that means that it's a possibility. But, I haven't really seen any evidence either, that's just what I think why people do that..
It goes the same for Ron and Parvati, Padma, or any other girl..
Just because H/Hr shippers can't find anyone else to go with Ron.
i think that harry and hermione is a great couple. i dont think that harry realizes that hermione is a "girl" until the 4th book. Even then i dont think he see's her as a potentail girlfriend, just becuase he had never thought of her that way. Ron on the other hand, reconized hermione from the 4th book, but i think hermione really has her eye on harry. Harry just cant see what's right under his nose.
I haven't been paying attention to things really, but I can guess why people are putting Ron and Lavender together. I am not sure if it was Lavender or Parvati that Trelawny spoke to about 'Beware a red headed man' on their first day, but it's one of those little things that we H/Hr shippers like to find.
Then there was the whole Ron using Lavender's bunny rabbit death as a means of attacking Hermione about Crookshanks. That's probably where a majority of the comments come from I would think.
As for Luna and Ron, who knows. I don't even -know- that Harry is going to end up with Hermione, I -want- it to happen, but I am not writing the books
All we can do is state why we feel such a way and back it up however we can Some of us are better at this than others as with all things in life.
It -is- nice to see some R/Hr shippers chatting without trying to attack my posts though Now back to the arena of the debate thread...
Then there was the whole Ron using Lavender's bunny rabbit death as a means of attacking Hermione about Crookshanks. That's probably where a majority of the comments come from I would think.
As for Luna and Ron, who knows. I don't even -know- that Harry is going to end up with Hermione, I -want- it to happen, but I am not writing the books
All we can do is state why we feel such a way and back it up however we can
Some of us are better at this than others as with all things in life.It -is- nice to see some R/Hr shippers chatting without trying to attack my posts though
Now back to the arena of the debate thread...
Sorry for the double post, but I just wanted to say that until we get something new to discuss on the Debate thread I'll not be pitching in. I am tired of reiterating the same things over and over again and being told that not only is it proof positive that Ron and Hermione are dating, but that all of their families think it's very kosher. Reguardless of the personal attacks.
Anyways, keep up the good fight, 3 more days!
Anyways, keep up the good fight, 3 more days!
Hi...I'm a self-proclaimed 'non-shipper' but I've been arguing so hard on behalf of Pumpkin Pie that I hope it's okay if I drop in on this thread? (I mean...well, if the R/Hrs are allowed then surely it's okay? 
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Anyway - it's really nice to see R/Hr posting here and I'm just hoping that whatever the outcome we that both sides can still come together united in their love of the series!
As for Ron/Lavender? Ummm - actually I don't think so. It may be sacrilege to say this here, but R/Hr actually work much better for me than that out-of-the-blue match... (At least it makes more sense)
Oh boy! While I'm not the biggest Ron fan - he deserves to be happy with a girl that he can actually develop a relationship with. Lavender seems to be too much of a cardboard cut-out at this late stage to qualify.
I'm pretty sure that if R/Hr didn't pan out, that JK wouldn't just pair Ron up with the nearest available girl, just for the sake of partnering him up. Guess I'll say it - yes. Ron deserves better. And who knows?He just might get that.... We'll see.
Anyway - heads up Harmonians.
Like Sethas said, 3 days to go... 
However things pan out, I just want to let you know - you guys have seriously put up some of the best arguments out there and I love your vision of the series. It's been a pleasure to read. You totally changed the way that this reader read the books at any rate. My allegiance is unquestionably to your ship. Best of all - it's been fun! 
Now - back to the debate thread. (Muggleview's just put up a really good, reasoned post that's going to be hard to answer to... But someone's got to do it - right? )
)Anyway - it's really nice to see R/Hr posting here and I'm just hoping that whatever the outcome we that both sides can still come together united in their love of the series!
As for Ron/Lavender? Ummm - actually I don't think so. It may be sacrilege to say this here, but R/Hr actually work much better for me than that out-of-the-blue match... (At least it makes more sense)
Oh boy! While I'm not the biggest Ron fan - he deserves to be happy with a girl that he can actually develop a relationship with. Lavender seems to be too much of a cardboard cut-out at this late stage to qualify.I'm pretty sure that if R/Hr didn't pan out, that JK wouldn't just pair Ron up with the nearest available girl, just for the sake of partnering him up. Guess I'll say it - yes. Ron deserves better. And who knows?He just might get that.... We'll see.
Anyway - heads up Harmonians.
Like Sethas said, 3 days to go... However things pan out, I just want to let you know - you guys have seriously put up some of the best arguments out there and I love your vision of the series. It's been a pleasure to read. You totally changed the way that this reader read the books at any rate. My allegiance is unquestionably to your ship. Best of all - it's been fun! Now - back to the debate thread. (Muggleview's just put up a really good, reasoned post that's going to be hard to answer to... But someone's got to do it - right?
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I wonder why people see Hermione more likely with Ron... I go with Harry/Hermione all the way!!
Well, I've just got to stop by here and welcome you to the H/Hr camp, cuti!! (LOL...that sounded weird...)
Anywho, anyone who ha managed to find a H/Hr avatar that cute has to be okay in my book.. Did you find it or did you make it yourself?
It's awesome!!
)Anywho, anyone who ha managed to find a H/Hr avatar that cute has to be okay in my book..
Did you find it or did you make it yourself?It's awesome!!
| QUOTE (cuti3_c00l @ Jul 13 2005, 11:14 AM) |
| I wonder why people see Hermione more likely with Ron... I go with Harry/Hermione all the way!! |
well people are allowed to think what ever they want
i am the suppose to be in the center but i keep posting in the R/Hr guess because its more active. Anyways what ever ship happens i guess i might say i will welcome it with open arms!
Hmm i feel like making some H/Hr and R/Hr icons for all
*runs off to Photoshop*
Hi there! Just wanted to say hi and that H/Hr is the only true ship in the series! I really don't have any other evidence (yet) that hasn't already been eloquently said, so I'll just leave it at that. Glad to finally be here!
I really don't have any other evidence (yet) that hasn't already been eloquently said, so I'll just leave it at that. Glad to finally be here!
There's a very good, well-written, and might I say very long essay on Harry/Hermiones relationship at mugglenet.com
i'm disappointed as there might be no hope for harry and hermione because well i just finish reading HBP and i was let down ny jk rowling once again but there still might be hope for them two but now i must go and congartulate the ron and hermione shippers that means my friend. 
and there goes 5 bucks out of my purse. sigh
and there goes 5 bucks out of my purse. sigh
Hey guys! Well, after reading Half-Blood Prince you all seem pretty let down, but don't let that upset you! You guys had some great H/Hr points, and I hope it didn't ruin the book for you!
::Holds out a hand of peace:: Can we all just go back to being HP freaks now? I'm kinda sad, debate wise. Must of left you confuesd. I'm also going to miss the cofusion not being sure about the three of them.
What do you mean, no hope? I think there was more H/Hr evidence in this book than ever and whilst I would never deny the very obvious R/Hr, I remain firm in my belief that no matter what JKR does, the way she has presented the characters of Ron and Hermione makes me wonder how on earth she ever thought they would be suited. I still don't think they suit at all, but I guess to each his own.
If Harry does make it beyond book 7, I still say that he would find find far greater happiness with someone who he ALWAYS turns to for advice and friendship - and that's still Hermione.
These threads will continue, as they have before. The SHIPS is very much a realm of not just what we think will happen, but what we WANT to happen - that's the big difference.
If Harry does make it beyond book 7, I still say that he would find find far greater happiness with someone who he ALWAYS turns to for advice and friendship - and that's still Hermione.
These threads will continue, as they have before. The SHIPS is very much a realm of not just what we think will happen, but what we WANT to happen - that's the big difference.
Long-time lurker, coming out of hiding. I suppose it's HBP that gave me the push to start talking.
I can't believe it guys... And when I say I can't believe it, I seriously mean I can't! I really do hope ya'll don't jump ship. It seems bleak. And... there has been literal canon-fire, but still. We weren't that small a minority before HBP. Its hard to believe that everything we saw were red-herrings. When you think about it, all the major ships have been addressed by JK Rowling. Harry/Cho was shot down in OotP, Neville/Luna was sunk from JKR's mouth, and techinically (even though I do admit that I'm stretching) H/G went out to sea and sailed back into harbor. R/Hr is strongly hinted, but nothing official. Though it would have been easy for her to settle it, why didn't she? Course, the interviews coming up in the next two years until book seven will come out give plenty of wiggle room for her. When will she address H/Hr? Perhaps in the next book...
When Harry realized that something was developing between Ron and Hermione look at his reaction closely.
1. He thought of negative things. Not exactly toward the two being together, but to being left out by himself.
2. He kept his thoughts on it short. Or maybe it was JKR that cut it short?
Just look at EVERYTHING closely. Remember that the two constant underlying themes of HP is that 'Nothing is what it seems' and 'Choose what is right, not what is easy.' Believe it or not, HBP did not deliver as many answers as it makes itself seem. Yes it informed, but only on a few occasions did it pick up where OotP left off. Heck, I'll make a list.
-S.P.E.W.!!! GoF and OotP was practically slapping us with it. Now, all we got were a few snippets. I don't know how the Hermione we all dearly love would let her pet project fall below Harry's radar like that.
-DoM, only a few times was it mentioned. It wasn't even discussed between the trio. It just seems so surreal that Harry could forget his reaction to Hermione's near-death experience.
-Sirius's Death. Okay, two weeks not eating is a pretty grand gesture of grief, but Hermione not probing into it makes me raise an eyebrow. Even Dumbledore didnt go into the subject. He of all people knows that letting it out is the best thing to do. He knew that making Harry tell about Cedrics death was what would make him feel better.
-The D.A. I would think that with Snape as DADA teacher, Harry would continue it just to piss him off. And not to mention... there's a war goin on! Gosh, the DA was a big weapon on the side of the Harmonians.
-Luna and Neville... I was seriously looking forward to learning more about these two. I would've taken it in stride if they just simply stayed the same status as they were OotP. If JKR didn't want to reveal their story yet, then I could've taken that, but demoting them to status of non-existent makes me think that a certain author is trying to cover up her trail of clues.
-The two way mirror anyone? I know its shattered and everything, but I can't help but thing that it'll still have its use. No mention of it... nope... no mention.
- The Biggest one to me. The Veil, how... When I finished the book... I couldn't believe that the veil was left out. It being this beautifully evil thing... No.... just... urgh!!!!!
That's about all I can find on my first reading. Besides a heftier knowledge of TommyBoy's life, an even greyer Snape, and a 'dead' Dumbledore, we are almost in full circle.
I dunno guys. I think we're still in a state of shock over HBP. Wait till we gather courage to start re-reading the book. R/Hr will never in my mind compare to H/Hr. And I will never fail in saying that a Harmonian ending is what would be best for Harry. Not saying that I won't accept canon, but just remember that canon hasn't ended yet.
I can't believe it guys... And when I say I can't believe it, I seriously mean I can't! I really do hope ya'll don't jump ship. It seems bleak. And... there has been literal canon-fire, but still. We weren't that small a minority before HBP. Its hard to believe that everything we saw were red-herrings. When you think about it, all the major ships have been addressed by JK Rowling. Harry/Cho was shot down in OotP, Neville/Luna was sunk from JKR's mouth, and techinically (even though I do admit that I'm stretching) H/G went out to sea and sailed back into harbor. R/Hr is strongly hinted, but nothing official. Though it would have been easy for her to settle it, why didn't she? Course, the interviews coming up in the next two years until book seven will come out give plenty of wiggle room for her. When will she address H/Hr? Perhaps in the next book...
When Harry realized that something was developing between Ron and Hermione look at his reaction closely.
1. He thought of negative things. Not exactly toward the two being together, but to being left out by himself.
2. He kept his thoughts on it short. Or maybe it was JKR that cut it short?
Just look at EVERYTHING closely. Remember that the two constant underlying themes of HP is that 'Nothing is what it seems' and 'Choose what is right, not what is easy.' Believe it or not, HBP did not deliver as many answers as it makes itself seem. Yes it informed, but only on a few occasions did it pick up where OotP left off. Heck, I'll make a list.
-S.P.E.W.!!! GoF and OotP was practically slapping us with it. Now, all we got were a few snippets. I don't know how the Hermione we all dearly love would let her pet project fall below Harry's radar like that.
-DoM, only a few times was it mentioned. It wasn't even discussed between the trio. It just seems so surreal that Harry could forget his reaction to Hermione's near-death experience.
-Sirius's Death. Okay, two weeks not eating is a pretty grand gesture of grief, but Hermione not probing into it makes me raise an eyebrow. Even Dumbledore didnt go into the subject. He of all people knows that letting it out is the best thing to do. He knew that making Harry tell about Cedrics death was what would make him feel better.
-The D.A. I would think that with Snape as DADA teacher, Harry would continue it just to piss him off. And not to mention... there's a war goin on! Gosh, the DA was a big weapon on the side of the Harmonians.
-Luna and Neville... I was seriously looking forward to learning more about these two. I would've taken it in stride if they just simply stayed the same status as they were OotP. If JKR didn't want to reveal their story yet, then I could've taken that, but demoting them to status of non-existent makes me think that a certain author is trying to cover up her trail of clues.
-The two way mirror anyone? I know its shattered and everything, but I can't help but thing that it'll still have its use. No mention of it... nope... no mention.
- The Biggest one to me. The Veil, how... When I finished the book... I couldn't believe that the veil was left out. It being this beautifully evil thing... No.... just... urgh!!!!!
That's about all I can find on my first reading. Besides a heftier knowledge of TommyBoy's life, an even greyer Snape, and a 'dead' Dumbledore, we are almost in full circle.
I dunno guys. I think we're still in a state of shock over HBP. Wait till we gather courage to start re-reading the book. R/Hr will never in my mind compare to H/Hr. And I will never fail in saying that a Harmonian ending is what would be best for Harry. Not saying that I won't accept canon, but just remember that canon hasn't ended yet.
After reading HBP it seems that R/Hr is going ahead. While I can see this hapening in the books, when it comes to the films I would put Dan Radcliffe and Emma Watson together straight away, never Emma and Rupert Grint!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! I can't believe it. Highly frustrated person sitting in this chair right now. I mean come on Ron and Hermione that is just whack. You all probably think I'm biased but the whole everyone getting with everyone just felt so fan-fictiony! But there is still some hope though there is one last book, and maybe everyone will come to their senses and Harry and Hermione will be together at last.
P.S I'm not just saying that R/Hr shouldn't have gotten together because I didn't like it or anything like that I just felt that the way they got together was rushed and just felt plain odd, not to mention Hermione being so out of character, hang on, did they really get together, that is the question, no-one said that they had kissed or anything, and the whole Ron comforting Hermione thing while she was grieving was a completely natural thing for a friend to do. Am I right.
P.S I'm not just saying that R/Hr shouldn't have gotten together because I didn't like it or anything like that I just felt that the way they got together was rushed and just felt plain odd, not to mention Hermione being so out of character, hang on, did they really get together, that is the question, no-one said that they had kissed or anything, and the whole Ron comforting Hermione thing while she was grieving was a completely natural thing for a friend to do. Am I right.
All i can say is its not over till the last page. H/HR may still go out in book seven. I ont know if any of you thought of this but Hermione did tell ginny to move on. This could be so that she could go out with him
but then again the last film and the second film portrayed hermione's and ron's relationship as if there were a secret chemistry between them. when herminone wakes up from being stunned in the 2nd film harry runs up and hugs her , rons and hermione want to do the same... but something stop them and they realise that they cant do that, i hope they get toghether, but i dont know who harry should be with....
Good point but my impresion was that hermione didnt feel right hugging ron (If that made any sense) Also in the books hermione always grabs onto harry in trouble. You would only do that with some one you love
Everyone come join the new debate thread! I thought this was for supporters of H/Hr relationship, not a place to debate. Movies are not the books but an interpurtation of them, they are as valid as me telling you what is important, in other words you can not use a movie to back up your answer as who is going to date.
Hermione totally changed in Book 6, and I thought the Harry/ Ginny (yuck!) romance was well, disgusting. It's not over until the end of Book 7.
Go H/Hr!
Go H/Hr!
I still believe that H/Hr is a possibility. I haven't jumped ship and I don't plan to.
I think Harry and Hermione hit it off from the start on the train to Hogwarts. I can't stand to think about Harry/Ginny. That is just nasty when they got together. Maybe Hermione is trying to make Harry jealous by flirting with his best mate Ron and trying to get Harry to make his move. He's got to in the next book, he must. This is the ideal couple, Harry/Hermione.
I like the whole Hermione telling Ginny to move on so she can make her own move thing. I can be patient. I swear i can. really
For those of you who PM'ed me, please refer to my postings in the R/Hr thread and the H/G Vs H/other debate thread.
Sorry I can't reply personally, but I am absolutely inundated right now...please accept my sincere apologies about that.
One thing I would ask, in the interests of fairness seeing as how I've had to give the R/Hr's a fair old whack about the head this morning, can I just ask people here not to criticise the way the R/Hr ship came about or R/Hr shippers in general?
Give me back my faith that there are still some decent shippers left out there.
Sorry I can't reply personally, but I am absolutely inundated right now...please accept my sincere apologies about that.
One thing I would ask, in the interests of fairness seeing as how I've had to give the R/Hr's a fair old whack about the head this morning, can I just ask people here not to criticise the way the R/Hr ship came about or R/Hr shippers in general?
Give me back my faith that there are still some decent shippers left out there.
*sigh..well there we go..i feel the need to write down my feelings on the matter just for fun lol. well i havn't been on to this forum for a while. i just got bored of the debates with r/hr and h/hr. but now i think im gonna miss them. That its finished. lol i wanted to put in a post but it was closed before i could 
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Well so my ship didn't sail...a shame really..but funnily enough i find that i can bear it really well. i happen to really like the h/g couple. it was soo cute. maybe that means im not sore loser lol. h/hr will always be more preferable of course but you can't have everything. i don't like the r/hr thing but i could deal with, especially while h/g were dating, but no, he had to break up with her. well if everything goes well, harry won't die at the end of the series and they can hook up again. lol. anyway, this isn't the place for it....so i salute HMS harmony as bandoth did, and close the book.
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. Well so my ship didn't sail...a shame really..but funnily enough i find that i can bear it really well. i happen to really like the h/g couple. it was soo cute. maybe that means im not sore loser lol. h/hr will always be more preferable of course but you can't have everything. i don't like the r/hr thing but i could deal with, especially while h/g were dating, but no, he had to break up with her. well if everything goes well, harry won't die at the end of the series and they can hook up again. lol. anyway, this isn't the place for it....so i salute HMS harmony as bandoth did, and close the book.
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*sobs* I feel like a homeless degenerate now that the debate thread has closed.... I've been trying and trying all week long to log on to this board to no avail, and it's so frustrating not to be able to log on and chat and communicate with both the H/Hr and R/Hr!!!!! I never got...to say goodbye....
So sad that that's all over now.... *sighs*
Now that I've got the melodrama out of the way -
I'm not sure how I feel at the moment. From books 1-5, I think that H/Hr had the dynamic, relationship and overall feel that I preferred, while book 6 was a huge departure in both tone, writing style and plot.
But I'll still look over those first 5 books and H/Hr with a great deal of fondness, and I loved the way that that H/Hr defended their ship and the insights that they offered which really changed the way that I saw the books.
I guess I better find a thread where I can congratulate R/Hr.
So sad that that's all over now.... *sighs*
Now that I've got the melodrama out of the way -I'm not sure how I feel at the moment. From books 1-5, I think that H/Hr had the dynamic, relationship and overall feel that I preferred, while book 6 was a huge departure in both tone, writing style and plot.
But I'll still look over those first 5 books and H/Hr with a great deal of fondness, and I loved the way that that H/Hr defended their ship and the insights that they offered which really changed the way that I saw the books.
I guess I better find a thread where I can congratulate R/Hr.
Have you guys read JKR's interview with Mugglenet and TLC? If not, I suggest you go read it - the link is in Nick's post in the RAB thread. My response to it is both in that thread and also in the R/Hr thread.
I hope I'm not alone in feeling disgusted, cheated, betrayed and absolutely livid about what JKR said and the way the H/Hr shippers were ridiculed. In short, I refuse to moderate the SHIPS forums anymore, I'm sure one of the other mods will take over.
I'm sure you agree with me though that having been ridiculed by the author herself, nothing any R/Hr shipper could possibly say could hurt us now anyway so I don't even think they'll need moderating.
It was a pleasure knowing you guys though and I'm glad that we all enjoyed it while it lasted. I just wish it hadn't ended with quite the kick in the teeth that it did.
I hope I'm not alone in feeling disgusted, cheated, betrayed and absolutely livid about what JKR said and the way the H/Hr shippers were ridiculed. In short, I refuse to moderate the SHIPS forums anymore, I'm sure one of the other mods will take over.
I'm sure you agree with me though that having been ridiculed by the author herself, nothing any R/Hr shipper could possibly say could hurt us now anyway so I don't even think they'll need moderating.
It was a pleasure knowing you guys though and I'm glad that we all enjoyed it while it lasted. I just wish it hadn't ended with quite the kick in the teeth that it did.
Louisa, though I'm sorry to hear that you're going to abandon the SHIPS moderation, I totally understand your decision. That's why I'd like to express my own feelings and impressions, hoping to not go off topic.
I've just read JKR's interview. Of course, we all knew that this is JKR's story and though I feel totally disappointed by the ships of book 6, I can't do anything because I am not HP's author. But as a H/Hr shipper who loved this couple for what she wrote about them (the way she described them, the interaction they had and all the other important scenes we all mistaken for clues, by now), I feel offended. Specially because of the comments made from those two webmasters that had interviewed her, but also, a little bit, from JKR herself. Well, to be honest, she has been mistaken as well, because she believed to them when they told her things like "H/Hr shippers hate Ron", which we all know is totally untrue. So, probabily, she has a wrong idea of H/Hr shippers, supported by those comments. But since we are not so few as the two webmasters have guessed (HP readership is not formed only by US or UK public, who love to read HP books in English as well), I think we should deserved more respect. That's what made me disappointed, more than seeing H/Hr not happening. It bothered me that hundred of thousand of us HP readers (whose only problem is shipping H/Hr) have been considered tacitly immature or stupid. Well I, and I guess each one of you, don't feel like that at all. I am almost 26, I do not have a romantic or idyllic idea of love that led me to ship H/Hr only because "Hermione kissed Harry at the end of book 4" or because "Their names both begin with H", or something like that. I ship/ped them because JKR wrotes (wonderful) most important parts undeniably towards H/Hr, though by now, that was not her purpose (her fault, maybe). I'd preferred that she just replied to that question: "I am sorry, H/Hr shippers, that your ship didn't happen and never it will. I know that some excerpts of past books may have gone toward them, but that was unintentional." That's it. At least, in this way, we wouldn't seem all crazy for having believed in something that suddently seem we invented from nowhere. I mean, if R/H was so clear, then why so many people started to ship H/Hr? We were all stupid? I definitively don't think so. Just this, I think we should deserved a different and better treatment during that interview. JKR gave a lot to us, but we gave her a lot too. Is for sure because of JKR's wonderful saga that we're here, but she would never been the most rich British woman and one of the most powerful person in the whole world without her public of HP' fans, which is highly formed by H/Hr shippers as well. Actually, she told that to E. and M., but maybe she could have defended us a little bit more.
P.S.: I'll for sure keep on reading the books and watching the movies anyway, but nothing will convince me that Harry and Hermione were not made for each other... at least, that Hermione we knew in the past 5 books!!! In any case, I hope to know, one way or another, why she decided that H/Hr did not happen or she thought that they weren't suited for each other. Just to have answers for our ship as well.
I've just read JKR's interview. Of course, we all knew that this is JKR's story and though I feel totally disappointed by the ships of book 6, I can't do anything because I am not HP's author. But as a H/Hr shipper who loved this couple for what she wrote about them (the way she described them, the interaction they had and all the other important scenes we all mistaken for clues, by now), I feel offended. Specially because of the comments made from those two webmasters that had interviewed her, but also, a little bit, from JKR herself. Well, to be honest, she has been mistaken as well, because she believed to them when they told her things like "H/Hr shippers hate Ron", which we all know is totally untrue. So, probabily, she has a wrong idea of H/Hr shippers, supported by those comments. But since we are not so few as the two webmasters have guessed (HP readership is not formed only by US or UK public, who love to read HP books in English as well), I think we should deserved more respect. That's what made me disappointed, more than seeing H/Hr not happening. It bothered me that hundred of thousand of us HP readers (whose only problem is shipping H/Hr) have been considered tacitly immature or stupid. Well I, and I guess each one of you, don't feel like that at all. I am almost 26, I do not have a romantic or idyllic idea of love that led me to ship H/Hr only because "Hermione kissed Harry at the end of book 4" or because "Their names both begin with H", or something like that. I ship/ped them because JKR wrotes (wonderful) most important parts undeniably towards H/Hr, though by now, that was not her purpose (her fault, maybe). I'd preferred that she just replied to that question: "I am sorry, H/Hr shippers, that your ship didn't happen and never it will. I know that some excerpts of past books may have gone toward them, but that was unintentional." That's it. At least, in this way, we wouldn't seem all crazy for having believed in something that suddently seem we invented from nowhere. I mean, if R/H was so clear, then why so many people started to ship H/Hr? We were all stupid? I definitively don't think so. Just this, I think we should deserved a different and better treatment during that interview. JKR gave a lot to us, but we gave her a lot too. Is for sure because of JKR's wonderful saga that we're here, but she would never been the most rich British woman and one of the most powerful person in the whole world without her public of HP' fans, which is highly formed by H/Hr shippers as well. Actually, she told that to E. and M., but maybe she could have defended us a little bit more.
P.S.: I'll for sure keep on reading the books and watching the movies anyway, but nothing will convince me that Harry and Hermione were not made for each other... at least, that Hermione we knew in the past 5 books!!! In any case, I hope to know, one way or another, why she decided that H/Hr did not happen or she thought that they weren't suited for each other. Just to have answers for our ship as well.
I think the most infuriating thing really is that JKR always seemed to pride herself on being great with subtlety and rewarding the keen reader for discovering her clues, and now for her to turn around and say 'It's been there all along you muppets, why didn't you see?!' feels pretty crap.
I really don't think i'd mind so much if it wasn't for the HBP being full of signs that H/Hr would work well, despite Harry reasoning his constant contact with Hermione while she and Ron weren't speaking with him just wanting them to speak again.
Lets face it, if it weren't for the horribly tactless signs between Ron and Hermione, lines like
'Hermione, who was sweaty-faced and had soot on her nose, looked livid,'
Would've been analysed to death - and to be honest it's a very cute image regardless of who you are. There is an enormous amount of contact between Harry and Hermione - physical, verbal, what have you - and if it weren't in the shadow of the R/H events the H/Hr fans would be having a field day.
I myself still hold out hope for H/Hr due to events such as Hermione's insistance that Harry scramble up a date for the Christmas party rather than he be victim to a random girl's love potion.
I really don't think i'd mind so much if it wasn't for the HBP being full of signs that H/Hr would work well, despite Harry reasoning his constant contact with Hermione while she and Ron weren't speaking with him just wanting them to speak again.
Lets face it, if it weren't for the horribly tactless signs between Ron and Hermione, lines like
'Hermione, who was sweaty-faced and had soot on her nose, looked livid,'
Would've been analysed to death - and to be honest it's a very cute image regardless of who you are. There is an enormous amount of contact between Harry and Hermione - physical, verbal, what have you - and if it weren't in the shadow of the R/H events the H/Hr fans would be having a field day.
I myself still hold out hope for H/Hr due to events such as Hermione's insistance that Harry scramble up a date for the Christmas party rather than he be victim to a random girl's love potion.
First of all - great post HermioneGio. I allied myself to and still hold the H/Hr ship - and their analysis of the text and their vision of the series in the highest esteem. I wasn't attracted to it because it seemed like a juvenile, or unintelligent ship - just the opposite in fact!
As for why I decided to cast my lot with H/Hr (even though I had very strong and sinking suspicions that the ships that did eventuate would be the ones to sail in)? Well I supported and argued for H/Hr, not so much because I have an inherent interest in romance (which oddly enough) I don't - or because I was interested in predicting what would happen - but - because I had this instinct that told me that whichever ship eventuated, would send out a powerful message. Whichever relationship she chose to develop would be the lynch-pin in deciding what narrative path not only the 6th book, but the entire series took.
Now - would it take the more obvious path of least resistance - or would it try to do something more difficullt, daring and different? That was always the issue that underpinned the shipping debate for me - that each relationship represented two very divergent visions of what the series was about and what it could become. I placed my hopes with H/Hr for precisely that reason - you guys had a vision of the series that I was attracted to.
Think about this seriously - if H/Hr had eventuated, what kind of book would we have had? I honestly feel that we would have had a very different book, and finale on our hands. As it happens, the author has made her choices as she sees fit - so that richer, deeper literary opportunity (as I saw it) has now been discarded and lost to us forever.
Under H/Hr, can you envisage for example Hermione attacking Harry with birds, and Harry running off with 'Lav-Lav' etc? Could you imagine some of the soapy and farcical extremes happening in a book where Harry and Hermione discovered that their friendship was predicated on love? Could you imagine a book under H/Hr where magic, learning, and friendship would be largely ignored? If not, then that's precisely my point! Under H/Hr, the extremes and paper-thin areas of the narrative that we were presented with in HBP would not have been possible. The difficulty of H/Hr to me, was that it would have always been the harder (but richer) relationship to write about. But it would have been a real relationship.
There would have been no easy outs, nor would it have been possible to circumvent the course of the narrative by reverting to easy melodrama as a narrative short-cut. H/Hr could not have happened melodramatically. I f Harry had realised any sort of deeper feelings for Hermione it would have been an internal revelation, rather than motivated by external factors. It could have been dramatic and significant, but that kind of insight doeesn't lend itself readily to melodrama, which is very different.
If H/Hr had happened, she would have actually had to sit down and really write about it, and write about it properly. It was always going to take more, time effort and more work.
But the rewards would have been great. More nuance, more subtlety, more depth...but that didn't happen.
So for me, the ships have always represented, not just two different relationships, or two different ideas about relationships - but also two contrasting visions of the book and series! It's not that our reading was impossible but rather what we read into it didn't happen and either didn't occur or appeal to the author. It happens.
As for why I decided to cast my lot with H/Hr (even though I had very strong and sinking suspicions that the ships that did eventuate would be the ones to sail in)? Well I supported and argued for H/Hr, not so much because I have an inherent interest in romance (which oddly enough) I don't - or because I was interested in predicting what would happen - but - because I had this instinct that told me that whichever ship eventuated, would send out a powerful message. Whichever relationship she chose to develop would be the lynch-pin in deciding what narrative path not only the 6th book, but the entire series took.
Now - would it take the more obvious path of least resistance - or would it try to do something more difficullt, daring and different? That was always the issue that underpinned the shipping debate for me - that each relationship represented two very divergent visions of what the series was about and what it could become. I placed my hopes with H/Hr for precisely that reason - you guys had a vision of the series that I was attracted to.
Think about this seriously - if H/Hr had eventuated, what kind of book would we have had? I honestly feel that we would have had a very different book, and finale on our hands. As it happens, the author has made her choices as she sees fit - so that richer, deeper literary opportunity (as I saw it) has now been discarded and lost to us forever.
Under H/Hr, can you envisage for example Hermione attacking Harry with birds, and Harry running off with 'Lav-Lav' etc? Could you imagine some of the soapy and farcical extremes happening in a book where Harry and Hermione discovered that their friendship was predicated on love? Could you imagine a book under H/Hr where magic, learning, and friendship would be largely ignored? If not, then that's precisely my point! Under H/Hr, the extremes and paper-thin areas of the narrative that we were presented with in HBP would not have been possible. The difficulty of H/Hr to me, was that it would have always been the harder (but richer) relationship to write about. But it would have been a real relationship.
There would have been no easy outs, nor would it have been possible to circumvent the course of the narrative by reverting to easy melodrama as a narrative short-cut. H/Hr could not have happened melodramatically. I f Harry had realised any sort of deeper feelings for Hermione it would have been an internal revelation, rather than motivated by external factors. It could have been dramatic and significant, but that kind of insight doeesn't lend itself readily to melodrama, which is very different.
If H/Hr had happened, she would have actually had to sit down and really write about it, and write about it properly. It was always going to take more, time effort and more work.
But the rewards would have been great. More nuance, more subtlety, more depth...but that didn't happen.
So for me, the ships have always represented, not just two different relationships, or two different ideas about relationships - but also two contrasting visions of the book and series! It's not that our reading was impossible but rather what we read into it didn't happen and either didn't occur or appeal to the author. It happens.
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*sighs* Ugh Lion, I almost wish you hadn't touched on that issue, because it really nagged at me as soon as I ran into it. I may be in a minority of one here, but it seemed to me that JK was not simply content to write about certain relationships but, seemed to be going out of her way to try and 'un-write' the H/Hr dynamic that I believe, underpinned the previous instalments.
For example, in HBP we had scenes where we are told that "He (Harry) was glad that Hermione had gone - she had never understood about Qudditch." Lines like that were puzzling to me. It's true that Hermione had never understood or taken much interest in Quidditch in the past(remember the 'Wonky Faint' reference in TGoF
) but it was confusing because his reaction was inconsistent. Harry had always known that Hermione had a poor grasp on Quidditch - but he had never greatly cared and it had never affected their friendship or their view of one another. But now suddenly her lack of Quidditch knowledge is an issue for him?There are scenes where not only both characters are behaving uncharacteristically but we have Harry's reaction to her being documented as disgusted, or 'revolted' which completley tore apart the previous foundations of respect, and admiration that characterised their relationship. Suddenly we see Harry critically asessing her as being 'dreadful' or 'lame' in certain instances which does not follow on from the previous books!
Sure, Harry used to argue with Hermione, and get irritated with her. But he liked her. But not in this book - which is no surprise seeing that Hermione metamorphosises into someone that is difficult (for me at any rate) to regard with true liking and respect.
Not content with creating certain relationships (which is entirely JK's choice), it also seems as if she was hard at work at actively dismantling Harry and Hermione's relationship as we knew it (which disrespects not only the reader's intelligence IMV, but also violates the central integrity of how the characters had been constructed. Contrary to most people's views of writers, writers are neither Gods nor puppeters. Their task is to guide, nurture, develop and bring to fruition what they initiate - not randomly control events and manipulate characters as they see fit.)
I found the ending scene in particular to be really problematic. It was supposed to be a significant and important moment between Harry and his intended, yet, for some reason, the spectre of Hermione haunted the entire moment. He's with Ginny and we're told that "...at that moment they understood each other perfectly, and that when he told her what he was going to do now, she would not say 'Be careful', or 'Don't do it', but accept his decision because she would not have expected anything less of him." JK may as well have followed up this pointed sentence with the words 'unlike Hermione' in capitalised letters.
There's just no subtletly.
That statement is clearly a screaming reference to (and criticism of) Hermione and her attitude towards him, because Hermione is the only one who has ever said "Be careful" (PS) or "Don't do it" (OotP) to Harry when he faces critical decisions. The implication here, is that that is the wrong attitude to have, whereas unquestioning and docile acceptance is not only desirable but preferable. It just seemed to be such a clumsy way of 'proving' that the latter is what Harry really needed. If that is JK's honest opinion on the matter - so be it - but as a writer she should at least demonstrate to us that the latter (unquestioning acceptance) actually works. My issue is that she never does.
Then we are told about how the very changes in Ginny that attract Harry to her - took place under Hermione's advice no less. "Hermione told me to this..." "Smart girl, that Hermione" etc. Again, Hermione is being postioned as the 'clever girl' and match-maker, but not the romantic paramour. Again, subtle like a ton of bricks.
I get that. But what I don't understand is what Hermione has to do with their big romantic scene, and why the author insists on dragging her into the proceedings like an invisible yet instrusive presence? It's as if she feels the need to spell out to us that Hermione is 'wrong' for Harry. But if they are so obviously ill-suited to one another, then why not let the relationship that does materialise, speak for itself?
It all turns to (ironic) custard however when after stressing all through the book that H/Hr don't fit together and completely altering the quality of their friednship; after, spelling out for us that Harry has a 'perfect understanding' with another girl, he then announces his intentions to leave Hogwarts. Ron gapes in shocked surprise - but what does Hermione do? Oh that's right - she just understands him and where he's coming from, simply and naturally: "I knew you were going to say that. But then what will you do?" And of course, she proceeds to accompany him! Arrgggh.
If that's not a implicit display of 'perfect understanding' unfolding right before our eyes (rather than being hastily and explicitly chucked at us in a sentence), then I don't know what is! I don't think it's deliberate on JK's part however. It's obvious that she sees her work very differently to the way that we do.
Just that, try as she might to squelch the H/Hr dynamic (and I'm not talking about romance here, but just how strong their relationship is and how central they are to one another) she can't quite succeed at it and it keeps naturally re-emerging. I'm not suggesting that at this point H/Hr will, or should occur in book 7 however....
What I am saying though, is that, because she has (perhaps unwittingly) created such strong foundations for their relationship, that she may have to strain hard to go against the grain of what she herself has (inadvertently?) created! Having put both characters in a situation where they have been central and fundamental to one another, and supported one another it will be interesting to see how she manages to now avoid or 'uncreate' this dynamic. *shrugs*
Firstly I would like to applaue you Westerly on that little post of yours, I agree with you what could have been, would have been great.
Right now I am so frustrated with J.K, not because Harry and Hermione didn't get together but because of how they got together with other people. The way it went about just felt wrong. When I finished reading HBP I must admit I felt kind of disapointed, and was in dis-belief I atually had to check that J.K had really wriiten it. Then I pinched myself hoping that I hadn't only dreamt that it was July 16th. I assure you I'm not being biased It just felt wrong, nothing felt right really, I can't really word what I want to say.
And another thing, we H/Hr should not feel in anyway stupid or be-little by any comments posted anywhere about those who follow H/Hr. We are not stupid. We saw something there we truly did. Notedly applaus yourself becuase you did not become a sheep, you did not follow what the masses thought and went with R/Hr.
And just for the record I don't hate Ron, still thinks he's wrong for Hermione but I don't Hate him, I found him quite amusing and a thouraly lovable character.
Right now I am so frustrated with J.K, not because Harry and Hermione didn't get together but because of how they got together with other people. The way it went about just felt wrong. When I finished reading HBP I must admit I felt kind of disapointed, and was in dis-belief I atually had to check that J.K had really wriiten it. Then I pinched myself hoping that I hadn't only dreamt that it was July 16th. I assure you I'm not being biased It just felt wrong, nothing felt right really, I can't really word what I want to say.
And another thing, we H/Hr should not feel in anyway stupid or be-little by any comments posted anywhere about those who follow H/Hr. We are not stupid. We saw something there we truly did. Notedly applaus yourself becuase you did not become a sheep, you did not follow what the masses thought and went with R/Hr.
And just for the record I don't hate Ron, still thinks he's wrong for Hermione but I don't Hate him, I found him quite amusing and a thouraly lovable character.
I have to say I am HEARTBROKEN over the shipping in book 6.
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I totally Agree with Westerly! I always figured the reason I read H/Hr is because of my life experience. That the bickering of H and R was not anything romantic in my book. The relationship between Harry and Hermione was such a GREAT bond. That would have been very satisfying to see come to fruition. I feel only sympathy for Hermione when I see her with Ron. I always figured people who read R/H were just less emotionally mature or had less life experience.
And I actually don't hate Ron, He seemed PERFECT with Lavender Brown. They were perfectly suited in my opinion. Neither of them are intellectuals, both are pretty shallow, both are loyal friends... Nice people. I was turned off though by the fact that he would go and start kissing with Lavender just because He found out Hermione kissed Krum. It all seems so sophomoric to me. It would have been great to have some GOOD examples of how relationships start. A great friendship budding into a lasting love.
I think the pairings in this book show a lack of maturity in the relationships. The attractions are very shallow obviously. There cannot be any deep attraction between Harry and Ginny or Hermione and Ron because A. Hermione and Ron are deffinatley nowhere near intellectual equals and B. Harry has "all of a sudden" an attracton to Ginny. I am sorry but I don't find Ginny remotely appealing. She is brash and insensitive, a tough little tomboy. I cannot see that she is what Harry needs at all. The only thing remotely positive about this connection is that she is Ron's sister and Harry would be connected permanently to Ron's family if they married (Gach, Cough Sputter... Sorry). I mean, their coming together was so SUDDEN, where was the lead up of him noticing her and her positive attributes through two or three books? At least Cho got that much. There has been no hint of attraction on his part until the beginning of book 6. In book 5 he stated that when they were going to the MOM the last 3 DA members he would want to go with them were Ginny, Luna and Neville. Now all of a sudden he is crushing on her ... because he spent the summer at the burrow? Ironically Ginny is hinted at as being beautiful (when the slytherins were talking about her on the train). It appears to be another looks thing.
I feel sorry for Hermione being attracted to Ron. It seems she isn't as mature as I thought. What is the attraction? Looks? But what personality wise? What????? It can't be that it is because she is smarter than he is. ??? JKR saying that now Ron has hooked up with Lavender Brown he is more mature just stymied me. How So? Is he wiser now? Will he make better decisions about Harry's life now? Because he spent half the book making out?
I was Very offended by the interview when Emerson (18 years old, JUST) and JKR were talking about H/HR shippers. I just don't understand how they read R/H. JKR and Emerson both came down in my estimation after reading that. It was very insensitive. Saying that we are delusional? She reads the websites. She reads the editorials and comments. And she cannot see what she has written about H/Hr leading us to believe there could be an imminent connection?
I do feel like a fool somehow now. WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME!!!!! that I read it this way and JKR herself seems to think it is SO CLEAR that it was H/R all the way. How could I have read it differently? I just can't.
Well, I have to say that I am totally repelled by the whole subject of ships now. Maybe that is what she had in mind. I have deleted all my shipping bookmarks and don't want to have anything to do with it anymore. I wanted to say goodby to this thread though because you are all so wonderful. Thank you Dana_Scully and Westerly, You Rock!
I still love her books but I am staying away from the whole subject of ships because obviously I am not going to agree with her choices.
I would say I'm happy for the H/R and G/H shippers but I can't because so many have been so rude about it.
I am 43 years old (just). Married for 20 years and have 2 children 16 and 13. There the secrets out. I'm an old fart HP Fanatic. Luckily my kids think it's great as they are too. My son made my avatar!
I totally Agree with Westerly! I always figured the reason I read H/Hr is because of my life experience. That the bickering of H and R was not anything romantic in my book. The relationship between Harry and Hermione was such a GREAT bond. That would have been very satisfying to see come to fruition. I feel only sympathy for Hermione when I see her with Ron. I always figured people who read R/H were just less emotionally mature or had less life experience.
And I actually don't hate Ron, He seemed PERFECT with Lavender Brown. They were perfectly suited in my opinion. Neither of them are intellectuals, both are pretty shallow, both are loyal friends... Nice people. I was turned off though by the fact that he would go and start kissing with Lavender just because He found out Hermione kissed Krum. It all seems so sophomoric to me. It would have been great to have some GOOD examples of how relationships start. A great friendship budding into a lasting love.
I think the pairings in this book show a lack of maturity in the relationships. The attractions are very shallow obviously. There cannot be any deep attraction between Harry and Ginny or Hermione and Ron because A. Hermione and Ron are deffinatley nowhere near intellectual equals and B. Harry has "all of a sudden" an attracton to Ginny. I am sorry but I don't find Ginny remotely appealing. She is brash and insensitive, a tough little tomboy. I cannot see that she is what Harry needs at all. The only thing remotely positive about this connection is that she is Ron's sister and Harry would be connected permanently to Ron's family if they married (Gach, Cough Sputter... Sorry). I mean, their coming together was so SUDDEN, where was the lead up of him noticing her and her positive attributes through two or three books? At least Cho got that much. There has been no hint of attraction on his part until the beginning of book 6. In book 5 he stated that when they were going to the MOM the last 3 DA members he would want to go with them were Ginny, Luna and Neville. Now all of a sudden he is crushing on her ... because he spent the summer at the burrow? Ironically Ginny is hinted at as being beautiful (when the slytherins were talking about her on the train). It appears to be another looks thing.
I feel sorry for Hermione being attracted to Ron. It seems she isn't as mature as I thought. What is the attraction? Looks? But what personality wise? What????? It can't be that it is because she is smarter than he is. ??? JKR saying that now Ron has hooked up with Lavender Brown he is more mature just stymied me. How So? Is he wiser now? Will he make better decisions about Harry's life now? Because he spent half the book making out?
I was Very offended by the interview when Emerson (18 years old, JUST) and JKR were talking about H/HR shippers. I just don't understand how they read R/H. JKR and Emerson both came down in my estimation after reading that. It was very insensitive. Saying that we are delusional? She reads the websites. She reads the editorials and comments. And she cannot see what she has written about H/Hr leading us to believe there could be an imminent connection?
I do feel like a fool somehow now. WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME!!!!! that I read it this way and JKR herself seems to think it is SO CLEAR that it was H/R all the way. How could I have read it differently? I just can't.
Well, I have to say that I am totally repelled by the whole subject of ships now. Maybe that is what she had in mind. I have deleted all my shipping bookmarks and don't want to have anything to do with it anymore. I wanted to say goodby to this thread though because you are all so wonderful. Thank you Dana_Scully and Westerly, You Rock!
I still love her books but I am staying away from the whole subject of ships because obviously I am not going to agree with her choices.
I would say I'm happy for the H/R and G/H shippers but I can't because so many have been so rude about it.
*hugs jewal consolingly*
Mate, you said everything I wanted to...except that I'm a mod and I'd probably get flayed alive for my bias but I am totally and utterly with you 110% on everything you said.
And so are a lot of other more mature HP fans it seems.
Yep, JKR has lost herself an awful lot of fans - and not because the ships didn't come to fruition...not because our theories didn't work out...but because we have basically been kicked in the teeth and laughed at by JKR herself. And not just us..anyone who basically presented a complicated theory where apparently there was no 'evidence'.
I had decided to remain in the fandom, despite that, but I am exceptionally worried that people I considered intelligent, interesting and mature whom I have enjoyed discussions with in the past seem to be leaving the fandom in droves and I'm not entirely sure what's going to be left.
Hence, my decision to take a break. I need some space...I need to see if I really do have the passion for HP that I once had because I have to admit that right now, despite my assurances to people that I'm okay....I'm not. Far from it.
I think some space will sort it out...do some other things, read some new books, get some different interests...if HP is still there after a while, then...well, we'll see...
It was a pleasure knowing all you guys in this thread though...really was. I hope that we might meet elsewhere in some other theory areas when, and if, my passion comes back.
Mate, you said everything I wanted to...except that I'm a mod and I'd probably get flayed alive for my bias but I am totally and utterly with you 110% on everything you said.
And so are a lot of other more mature HP fans it seems.
Yep, JKR has lost herself an awful lot of fans - and not because the ships didn't come to fruition...not because our theories didn't work out...but because we have basically been kicked in the teeth and laughed at by JKR herself. And not just us..anyone who basically presented a complicated theory where apparently there was no 'evidence'.
I had decided to remain in the fandom, despite that, but I am exceptionally worried that people I considered intelligent, interesting and mature whom I have enjoyed discussions with in the past seem to be leaving the fandom in droves and I'm not entirely sure what's going to be left.
Hence, my decision to take a break. I need some space...I need to see if I really do have the passion for HP that I once had because I have to admit that right now, despite my assurances to people that I'm okay....I'm not. Far from it.
I think some space will sort it out...do some other things, read some new books, get some different interests...if HP is still there after a while, then...well, we'll see...
It was a pleasure knowing all you guys in this thread though...really was. I hope that we might meet elsewhere in some other theory areas when, and if, my passion comes back.
Thank you Dana_Scully!
I really needed that hug!
I am not exaggerating. I do feel broken hearted. Because I do feel betrayed by JKR's decision to go this route with her story. I Love these books. I get alot out of reading them on many levels.
I am very grateful for Westerly's post (which I just read as I am going backwards, HMMM indicative of where I am coming from at present?). It sums up alot of what I think about this book. I do feel she is backpeddling with the relationship between H/HR and it is painful to read.
It's as if she wrote this book without re reading the others and it is totally separate.
What happened to Hermiones voice in Harry's head? What happened to all of that? It is all GONE from this book.
It is a good book but it does feel like someone else wrote it.
I really needed that hug!
I am not exaggerating. I do feel broken hearted. Because I do feel betrayed by JKR's decision to go this route with her story. I Love these books. I get alot out of reading them on many levels.
I am very grateful for Westerly's post (which I just read as I am going backwards, HMMM indicative of where I am coming from at present?). It sums up alot of what I think about this book. I do feel she is backpeddling with the relationship between H/HR and it is painful to read.
It's as if she wrote this book without re reading the others and it is totally separate.
What happened to Hermiones voice in Harry's head? What happened to all of that? It is all GONE from this book.
It is a good book but it does feel like someone else wrote it.
Exactly what I was trying to say, Half-Blood Prince felt like it was written by somebody else. And I don't care what anyone else says Hermione was acting out-of-character. Sometimes I just wanted to slap her around the face in the hope that if i did it long enough the real Hermione will come back.
I don't like to be be-littled in anyway and that is what I think the interview did. It be-littled all of us H/Hr shippers. There were so many signs that Harry and Hermione could've eventually have hooked up. And if you want to check them out by a completely bias person who in my opinion I think is great go to www.harryloveshermione.com brilliant, funny site, check out the edited for stupidity, so funny and the slightly skrewed recaps.
Anywho, I was highly disapointed in the everone involved in that peskily annoying interview and I have even considered boy-cotting the websites involved. But hey I wouldn't want to be seen as immature and dilusional now would I.
well I have to be off to go take my dillusional pills so bye.
I don't like to be be-littled in anyway and that is what I think the interview did. It be-littled all of us H/Hr shippers. There were so many signs that Harry and Hermione could've eventually have hooked up. And if you want to check them out by a completely bias person who in my opinion I think is great go to www.harryloveshermione.com brilliant, funny site, check out the edited for stupidity, so funny and the slightly skrewed recaps.
Anywho, I was highly disapointed in the everone involved in that peskily annoying interview and I have even considered boy-cotting the websites involved. But hey I wouldn't want to be seen as immature and dilusional now would I.
well I have to be off to go take my dillusional pills so bye.
I agree that it felt like it was written by another person! It was like reading a pretty decent fanfic,(with the exception of the romance, which was terribly performed in my opinion).
I felt as though i WAS reading a fanfic, you know, just another persons idea on how the next HP book might be like, not the "real deal". And the "Horcruxes", make the story even more strange because all of a sudden, all Harry has to do is find the last four, and Voldypoo's a goner. I can already see the title for book 7: "Harry Potter and the Seven Horcruxes" - Sounds a bit like a fairytale doesn't it?I have to admit i've seen fanfictions written better than this book.
I used to be in awe of JKR's writing style, giving just the right amount of details, leaving subtle hints which would prove significant in the end, taking time detailing how the characters are behaving, without it being boring. Now though, she seems to have decided to rush things up a bit(a whole lot), and doesn't explain a lot of crucial things, gives too much or almost none at all detail, and makes the characters un-characteristic, not to mention the now so 'subtle' hints that you can guess the ending halfway through the book. It's as though she doesn't have enough room to fit it all in.
As for the way Harry and Ginny get together...
I mean shouldn't there be a part where Harry actually sees Ginny as pretty , or even finds himself the slightest bit attracted to her, something in the previous books, that could actually realate to his sudden Love-Potion-Like affection for Ginny in the sixth book?
I mean shouldn't there have been some background fellings for her, to make Harry React the way he did when he saw her kissing Dean? It was a little to sudden wasn't it.
And about Ron and Hermione.
I'll admit that it was a little more expected than the H/G part, but still. Isn't it a bit over exaggerated of both Hermione and Ron the way they're acting towards each other suddenly. And toward Harry for that matter. It's as though nothing matters to them but to get each other jealous. And whats with the way Hermione is taking her anger out at Harry. And why is ron suddenly so fussed that Hermione has kissed Krum. Surely he must have suspected it with all his "Vicky" additude.
Anyway, enough on that, the point is that i'm pretty dissapointed in the book. Her writing styles changed, the characters aren't themesleves etc. etc. I had been hoping for something else, from such an author as JKR, but it seems to me that she has run out of ideas for what to write. Now now, i know that it was all planned out before she started writing the books and all that. But i think that she is willing to change things if given a good reason. I mean see on her site the way she said that she was two minds whether to shoot down the idea that the order communicated with chocolate frog cards. It means that whilst she might have planned out the grand scheme of it all, she is still unsure of the small things, and is adept for change. I was curious to how a person could have planned out something as great as the Harry Potter books, it was all perfect up to the fifth book. But then it all came crashing down when she released book six.
I am forced to believe judging by the sixth book than JKR - for lack of better term - is slightly losing her touch.
Hoping for a better Book next time, and of to read some fanfiction,
- Fawkes
I felt as though i WAS reading a fanfic, you know, just another persons idea on how the next HP book might be like, not the "real deal". And the "Horcruxes", make the story even more strange because all of a sudden, all Harry has to do is find the last four, and Voldypoo's a goner. I can already see the title for book 7: "Harry Potter and the Seven Horcruxes" - Sounds a bit like a fairytale doesn't it?I have to admit i've seen fanfictions written better than this book.
I used to be in awe of JKR's writing style, giving just the right amount of details, leaving subtle hints which would prove significant in the end, taking time detailing how the characters are behaving, without it being boring. Now though, she seems to have decided to rush things up a bit(a whole lot), and doesn't explain a lot of crucial things, gives too much or almost none at all detail, and makes the characters un-characteristic, not to mention the now so 'subtle' hints that you can guess the ending halfway through the book. It's as though she doesn't have enough room to fit it all in.
As for the way Harry and Ginny get together...
I mean shouldn't there be a part where Harry actually sees Ginny as pretty , or even finds himself the slightest bit attracted to her, something in the previous books, that could actually realate to his sudden Love-Potion-Like affection for Ginny in the sixth book?
I mean shouldn't there have been some background fellings for her, to make Harry React the way he did when he saw her kissing Dean? It was a little to sudden wasn't it.
And about Ron and Hermione.
I'll admit that it was a little more expected than the H/G part, but still. Isn't it a bit over exaggerated of both Hermione and Ron the way they're acting towards each other suddenly. And toward Harry for that matter. It's as though nothing matters to them but to get each other jealous. And whats with the way Hermione is taking her anger out at Harry. And why is ron suddenly so fussed that Hermione has kissed Krum. Surely he must have suspected it with all his "Vicky" additude.
Anyway, enough on that, the point is that i'm pretty dissapointed in the book. Her writing styles changed, the characters aren't themesleves etc. etc. I had been hoping for something else, from such an author as JKR, but it seems to me that she has run out of ideas for what to write. Now now, i know that it was all planned out before she started writing the books and all that. But i think that she is willing to change things if given a good reason. I mean see on her site the way she said that she was two minds whether to shoot down the idea that the order communicated with chocolate frog cards. It means that whilst she might have planned out the grand scheme of it all, she is still unsure of the small things, and is adept for change. I was curious to how a person could have planned out something as great as the Harry Potter books, it was all perfect up to the fifth book. But then it all came crashing down when she released book six.
I am forced to believe judging by the sixth book than JKR - for lack of better term - is slightly losing her touch.
Hoping for a better Book next time, and of to read some fanfiction,
- Fawkes
[COLOR=purple]Why does Harry and Hermione gonna be together?
Well, you should have worked out the clues right?
So, this are the clues (overall, or if you noticed additional clues in the books, reply me)
1- they're the only one who holds EACH OTHERS HANDS when running away from trouble (now tell me, does anyone in the Harry potter books ever hold hands?)
2- Harry always cared for Hermione (it's not because SHE"S a girl, she's got a mind of her own and can easily defend herself) remember in the sorcerer's stone; Harry realized that Hermione is in the girl's CR near the dungeons where the troll is supposed to be located! He quickly made Ron help him to save Hermione, so that she can still be alive but accidentally locks up the troll in a room which is the girl's CR where Hermione is! Harry quickly unlocks the door to save DARLING Hermione.
3- When there are quarrels or misunderstandings between Harry and Ron, Hermione always goes with Harry!
4- In order of the phoenix, Harry dreaded Hermione dying from fainting! Hermione fainted because of a death eater who survives Hermione’s spell and quickly grabbed his wand to take his revenge on Hermione but Hermione is too clever to not move! So the death eater missed Hermione a several inches from her chest. But unfortunately Hermione became really shocked and lay motionless on the ground and Harry fell to his feet and in his mind he always keeps saying DON"T LET HER BE DEAD. And what was Harry’s feeling when he heard the news Hermione’s gonna be okay? He felt LIGHT-HEADED as though somebody is in critical condition but miraculously survives the situation.
5- They always have the most thrilling adventures like the time-turner, the choosing of the bottles in SS, and many more.
6- They always date! Haven’t you noticed that Harry and Hermione are engaged in deep conversation while walking around the lake? That’s what simple but romantically lovable lovers do!
7- Harry now sees Hermione as the second prettiest girl in Hogwarts, after that Yule ball in which Hermione is above prettier than anybody else.
8- He always has the feeling whenever Krum’s trying to get Hermione’s attention back to him! That’s jealousy! In GoF, he instantly realizes that Krum’s trying to remind Hermione that he just saved her life!
9- Hermione never had a "meaningful" conversation with Ron, and never spends time with him often. It’s always HARRY who she cares about.
10- Even though Hermione really felt jealous because Ron’s attention is now at fleur, she managed to stay cool because she knows that Harry now admires her deeply than anybody else.
11- NO ONE can take Harry and Hermione away from each other! Ron's got jealous with Harry because Harry’s starting to develop feeling towards Hermione whilst cho is jealous of Hermione because she's the ONLY closest girl in Harry’s life! No matter how cho tried, even though that maybe someday Harry and cho are gonna be together, Harry’s closest girl will always be HERMIONE.
12- Ron never gave Harry a really helpful idea in facing his dark issues! It’s always HERMIONE who always knows and understands Harry better or really helps him better that anyone else.
13- How many times does HERMIONE embraced Harry, while HARRY embraces back? Well it's been 4 times! The first one in the SS, while choosing the bottles that would directly take them through the opposite fires.
Second one in the CoS, after Hermione is back from being petrified by the basilisk's reflected stare.
Third one in the PoA, while hiding from lupin who suddenly changes to an uncontrollable werewolf.
And the fourth one in the OotP, after knowing Harry’s still okay!
14- who's the first ever girl who kissed Harry? HERMIONE!( in the GoF, well yeah it's only in the cheeks, but when cho kissed Harry, is Harry happy? no, he's wondering why cho's crying, while after having been kissed by Hermione in the cheeks, he felt relieved and away from stress.
15- Harry feels very bad when he lied to Hermione when she asked how he’s doing with the mysterious golden egg.
16- Harry’s in deep amazement on how Hermione looks in the Yule Ball in GoF. He said that Hermione’s hair had been very sleek and shiny that she didn’t look like Hermione after all, and her hair is arranged in an elegant bun. And Harry also saw how different Hermione carried herself in the Yule ball. He thought if it’s just because of the absence of 20 books or so.
17- Harry’s the only one who’s really worrying when Hermione’s not around.
18- Hermione is the first person to ever believe that Harry hadn’t done anything when he’s name came out of the Goblet of Fire.
19- Harry always got angry whenever Malfoy, Pansy Parkinson or Snape or other gang of the Slytherins insult or mock Hermione about being a mudblood girl. HE always defends Hermione, as Hermione does for him.
20- Hermione’s embrace in 12 Grimmauld nearly knocked Harry flat on the floor. Do you think it’s just deep platonic relationship? I don’t think so. Ron’s also there, they could have just done a group hug, but why Harry and Hermione only?
21- Hermione always cry when Harry’s always in grave danger.
22- Why isn’t Hermione happy when Ron’s made prefect like her? Why did she think Harry has got the prefect badge? It’s because if Harry has also been made prefect, they (he and Hermione) would probably spend a lot of time together, especially meetings.
23- Hermione’s watching the Quidditch matches when Harry still plays as a seeker so intently. Why does she sleep in a match where Ron’s starting as a keeper? Is that how she really reacts when her preferred guy is playing a match?
24- Harry hides his marks at O.W.Ls to Hermione and said to himself to do better next time. HE doesn’t want to upset Hermione anymore, because he wants her to be impressed with him.
25- Harry’s really proud of Hermione for jinxing their list in D.A meetings.
26- Hermione believes in everything Harry says and do, in other words, she trusts him with all his heart.
27- Hermione is like Lily Potter, Harry’s mother. And Harry is like James, who’s not actually a half-blood bout both of them we’re trying to impress Hermione in Lily in what they do. For instance, Harry doesn’t want to let Hermione down because of his bad marks at his tests, and decided to work harder from now on. Whilst James is trying to impress Lily by hexing different innocent bystanders to prove that he’s brilliant, but because of that Lily is not at all pleased. Hermione for instance isn’t too pleased with Harry not concentrating in his studies. You get the point? Harry and Hermione are like James and Lily in a younger version.
28- Many people think that their both love interests (other people cares) and clearly sees Harry and Hermione to be compatible with each other.
29- they're COMPATIBLE! Imagine this, if Hermione and Ron will be married, there'll ne NON_STOP bickering. if Harry and Hermione will be married, there'll be fun, peace, and harmony, most of all, LOVE
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R/Hr shippers just have to accept the fact that they are outnumbered and most people believe that Harry and Hermione will be together and have wonderful talented kids that posess their parents' talents.
Harry and Hermione(in my view) are like James and Lily when they're still young. Lily-one of the top students at school, James- the most popular student in school.
JAmes always tried to impress Lily by hexing innocent bystanders, but Lily was ot pleased.
Now let's gp back to Harry and Hermione:
Hermione - the cleverest and one of the top students of the school, and Harry obviously will be the most famous guy in campus.
Harry always tried to impress Hermione by trying hard to have good grades at O.W.L. Remember, he promised himself to study harder than before after receiving T's in his O.W.Ls because HE DOESN;T WANT TO UPSET HERMIONE okay?
and tell me now, you said SUPPORTERS ONLY are allowed here, why are there anti-Harry/Hermione relationships here?
Well, you should have worked out the clues right?
So, this are the clues (overall, or if you noticed additional clues in the books, reply me)
1- they're the only one who holds EACH OTHERS HANDS when running away from trouble (now tell me, does anyone in the Harry potter books ever hold hands?)
2- Harry always cared for Hermione (it's not because SHE"S a girl, she's got a mind of her own and can easily defend herself) remember in the sorcerer's stone; Harry realized that Hermione is in the girl's CR near the dungeons where the troll is supposed to be located! He quickly made Ron help him to save Hermione, so that she can still be alive but accidentally locks up the troll in a room which is the girl's CR where Hermione is! Harry quickly unlocks the door to save DARLING Hermione.
3- When there are quarrels or misunderstandings between Harry and Ron, Hermione always goes with Harry!
4- In order of the phoenix, Harry dreaded Hermione dying from fainting! Hermione fainted because of a death eater who survives Hermione’s spell and quickly grabbed his wand to take his revenge on Hermione but Hermione is too clever to not move! So the death eater missed Hermione a several inches from her chest. But unfortunately Hermione became really shocked and lay motionless on the ground and Harry fell to his feet and in his mind he always keeps saying DON"T LET HER BE DEAD. And what was Harry’s feeling when he heard the news Hermione’s gonna be okay? He felt LIGHT-HEADED as though somebody is in critical condition but miraculously survives the situation.
5- They always have the most thrilling adventures like the time-turner, the choosing of the bottles in SS, and many more.
6- They always date! Haven’t you noticed that Harry and Hermione are engaged in deep conversation while walking around the lake? That’s what simple but romantically lovable lovers do!
7- Harry now sees Hermione as the second prettiest girl in Hogwarts, after that Yule ball in which Hermione is above prettier than anybody else.
8- He always has the feeling whenever Krum’s trying to get Hermione’s attention back to him! That’s jealousy! In GoF, he instantly realizes that Krum’s trying to remind Hermione that he just saved her life!
9- Hermione never had a "meaningful" conversation with Ron, and never spends time with him often. It’s always HARRY who she cares about.
10- Even though Hermione really felt jealous because Ron’s attention is now at fleur, she managed to stay cool because she knows that Harry now admires her deeply than anybody else.
11- NO ONE can take Harry and Hermione away from each other! Ron's got jealous with Harry because Harry’s starting to develop feeling towards Hermione whilst cho is jealous of Hermione because she's the ONLY closest girl in Harry’s life! No matter how cho tried, even though that maybe someday Harry and cho are gonna be together, Harry’s closest girl will always be HERMIONE.
12- Ron never gave Harry a really helpful idea in facing his dark issues! It’s always HERMIONE who always knows and understands Harry better or really helps him better that anyone else.
13- How many times does HERMIONE embraced Harry, while HARRY embraces back? Well it's been 4 times! The first one in the SS, while choosing the bottles that would directly take them through the opposite fires.
Second one in the CoS, after Hermione is back from being petrified by the basilisk's reflected stare.
Third one in the PoA, while hiding from lupin who suddenly changes to an uncontrollable werewolf.
And the fourth one in the OotP, after knowing Harry’s still okay!
14- who's the first ever girl who kissed Harry? HERMIONE!( in the GoF, well yeah it's only in the cheeks, but when cho kissed Harry, is Harry happy? no, he's wondering why cho's crying, while after having been kissed by Hermione in the cheeks, he felt relieved and away from stress.
15- Harry feels very bad when he lied to Hermione when she asked how he’s doing with the mysterious golden egg.
16- Harry’s in deep amazement on how Hermione looks in the Yule Ball in GoF. He said that Hermione’s hair had been very sleek and shiny that she didn’t look like Hermione after all, and her hair is arranged in an elegant bun. And Harry also saw how different Hermione carried herself in the Yule ball. He thought if it’s just because of the absence of 20 books or so.
17- Harry’s the only one who’s really worrying when Hermione’s not around.
18- Hermione is the first person to ever believe that Harry hadn’t done anything when he’s name came out of the Goblet of Fire.
19- Harry always got angry whenever Malfoy, Pansy Parkinson or Snape or other gang of the Slytherins insult or mock Hermione about being a mudblood girl. HE always defends Hermione, as Hermione does for him.
20- Hermione’s embrace in 12 Grimmauld nearly knocked Harry flat on the floor. Do you think it’s just deep platonic relationship? I don’t think so. Ron’s also there, they could have just done a group hug, but why Harry and Hermione only?
21- Hermione always cry when Harry’s always in grave danger.
22- Why isn’t Hermione happy when Ron’s made prefect like her? Why did she think Harry has got the prefect badge? It’s because if Harry has also been made prefect, they (he and Hermione) would probably spend a lot of time together, especially meetings.
23- Hermione’s watching the Quidditch matches when Harry still plays as a seeker so intently. Why does she sleep in a match where Ron’s starting as a keeper? Is that how she really reacts when her preferred guy is playing a match?
24- Harry hides his marks at O.W.Ls to Hermione and said to himself to do better next time. HE doesn’t want to upset Hermione anymore, because he wants her to be impressed with him.
25- Harry’s really proud of Hermione for jinxing their list in D.A meetings.
26- Hermione believes in everything Harry says and do, in other words, she trusts him with all his heart.
27- Hermione is like Lily Potter, Harry’s mother. And Harry is like James, who’s not actually a half-blood bout both of them we’re trying to impress Hermione in Lily in what they do. For instance, Harry doesn’t want to let Hermione down because of his bad marks at his tests, and decided to work harder from now on. Whilst James is trying to impress Lily by hexing different innocent bystanders to prove that he’s brilliant, but because of that Lily is not at all pleased. Hermione for instance isn’t too pleased with Harry not concentrating in his studies. You get the point? Harry and Hermione are like James and Lily in a younger version.
28- Many people think that their both love interests (other people cares) and clearly sees Harry and Hermione to be compatible with each other.
29- they're COMPATIBLE! Imagine this, if Hermione and Ron will be married, there'll ne NON_STOP bickering. if Harry and Hermione will be married, there'll be fun, peace, and harmony, most of all, LOVE
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R/Hr shippers just have to accept the fact that they are outnumbered and most people believe that Harry and Hermione will be together and have wonderful talented kids that posess their parents' talents.
Harry and Hermione(in my view) are like James and Lily when they're still young. Lily-one of the top students at school, James- the most popular student in school.
JAmes always tried to impress Lily by hexing innocent bystanders, but Lily was ot pleased.
Now let's gp back to Harry and Hermione:
Hermione - the cleverest and one of the top students of the school, and Harry obviously will be the most famous guy in campus.
Harry always tried to impress Hermione by trying hard to have good grades at O.W.L. Remember, he promised himself to study harder than before after receiving T's in his O.W.Ls because HE DOESN;T WANT TO UPSET HERMIONE okay?
and tell me now, you said SUPPORTERS ONLY are allowed here, why are there anti-Harry/Hermione relationships here?
Actually, R/Hr shippers aren't outnumber, we're actually the minority not the majority. I'm still peeved with what J.K said, seriously I can't get over it.
All right you guys, I've thought long and hard on this one.
The Ron Hermione shippers are being moderated very strict to prevent gloating, offensive comments, excessive celebrations, etc. and rightly so. But it's got to be both ways.
I know you guys are angry, hurt, feel betrayed by the author, etc. But it's not an excuse to bash people for their views.
I'm not saying that you guys are doing this; I have utmost respect for H/Hr's, you guys have been completely polite throughout my tenure here.
So just as a warning, don't start bashing R/Hr's in general, don't bash Emerson or Melissa, or Jo. You guys are absolutely entitled to be much less than pleased with any of them right now, but don't let it get out of hand, aight?
The Ron Hermione shippers are being moderated very strict to prevent gloating, offensive comments, excessive celebrations, etc. and rightly so. But it's got to be both ways.
I know you guys are angry, hurt, feel betrayed by the author, etc. But it's not an excuse to bash people for their views.
I'm not saying that you guys are doing this; I have utmost respect for H/Hr's, you guys have been completely polite throughout my tenure here.
So just as a warning, don't start bashing R/Hr's in general, don't bash Emerson or Melissa, or Jo. You guys are absolutely entitled to be much less than pleased with any of them right now, but don't let it get out of hand, aight?
harry and hermione will be together in the end i just cant see how they couldnt be. They are so cute together. Ron and Hermione fight to much. Awww aint love grand
I love this pic
I love this pic
That is my Favorite Picture too!
Thanks for posting it!
Thanks for posting it!
sorry about that. Well, yeah, I'm feeling really angry for HER having btrayed Harry/Hermione shippers. So, more clues why they should be together?
Well, yeah, I'm feeling really angry for HER having btrayed Harry/Hermione shippers. So, more clues why they should be together?
| QUOTE (harry_loves_hermione @ Jul 24 2005, 10:43 PM) |
| sorry about that. Well, yeah, I'm feeling really angry for HER having btrayed Harry/Hermione shippers. So, more clues why they should be together? |
Yes I feel really angry too that Joana said that but I don't really believe her because: do you really think she's gonna give her ideas (for the last book) to an interviewer? maybe it was just to hide something!
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| QUOTE (harry_loves_hermione @ Jul 24 2005 @ 10:43 PM) |
| So, more clues why they should be together? |
More clues?
well...
hermione and harry.....
hermione is mothering to harry....most of the times. and she thinks about him more than she thinks about ron. and it is not only the worries, she understands him best.....
and half the time she thinks only about him, his happiness and etc.
well others could say, it is just because it is harry who needs it. but it is really a fact that harry and hermione are closer than hermione and ron....
I heard about the interview from HPANA, and when I read it, I was entirely devastated! I didn't even finish the interview. I felt pretty hurt, as the other H/Hr shippers did too. I still sail the HMS Harmony ship. Go HHR!
-Mady
-Mady
i have the most great respect for your thoughts.
but i don't understand some of yours points.
why hate you so much the book six just for a simple story like the ships thing ?
hermione is not in love with harry ?
yes, of course, but and what ?
please, stop bashing ron or Jkr for that.
ron is really a great caracter and a wonderful person.
and if hermione loves him you can be pretty sure than she knows what she does.
ron and hermione will be a great couple for sure.
and that's would be very cool if all the fans could be happy for that.
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but i don't understand some of yours points.
why hate you so much the book six just for a simple story like the ships thing ?
hermione is not in love with harry ?
yes, of course, but and what ?
please, stop bashing ron or Jkr for that.
ron is really a great caracter and a wonderful person.
and if hermione loves him you can be pretty sure than she knows what she does.
ron and hermione will be a great couple for sure.
and that's would be very cool if all the fans could be happy for that.
MOD EDIT : Sorry mate, this thread is for H/H supporters only. Please check the Ships rules.
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