Here you go then guys - a brand new shiny thread for:-

HARRY/HERMIONE SHIPPERS ONLY.

(I don't think I could have made that any clearer )

I DO NOT want to see any rude, inflammatory or disrespectful posts here from supporters of other ships.

If you want to debate, then please do so here, but make sure that you read the forums rules as well as the additional ones which apply to the ships threads here.

The old thread has been archived and may be found here.

Okay...nasty stuff out of the way...carry on....

Harry/Hermione...
Really? Is this a joke?

... (being stared at by Dana)...

I'm just kidding! Harry/Hermione seems like the ship of novices simply because of the old hero getting the girl. Although, at the same time, it is the ship of professionals because of the need to search for deeper meaning in order to support the ship.

Personally, I like how Harry and Hermione interact, they're good friends with a strong foundation of relative peace. This could lead to something more, or maybe it won't.

Anyway, have fun posting your support for your ship!

Wishing you the continious hope that your ship becomes true,
Soumnek

I kind of hate it how some just think this ship can't happen because of the "hero gets the girl phenomenon". I mean I know it happens a lot, but it's still annoying.

I have hope for this ship yet.

Look, normally I'm a really nice person. Honestly I am. But I'm a stressed out student and a red-head, not a good combination.

I've tried to be patient - I've even made allowances for new people by starting a new thread for those who might not be aware that the ships threads are for supporters only, but this really is the limit.

The first two posts in the new thread are borderline supportive, at best, and, like Queen Victoria, I am seriously not amused. Not even slightly, and this is speaking just as much as a H/Hr supporter as a moderator.

Therefore, I'd like to make it perfectly clear that I am going to be pulling one serious hissy fit on people who are incapable of reading that this thread is for SUPPORTERS ONLY. It's capitalised, it's in the first post...how much clearer can I make it?

Let me warn you that I have absolutely NO sense of humour about this, so even if you fancy yourself as the next John Cleese and plan on making some pithy comment, I won't be laughing, is this perfectly clear?

IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT, DON'T POST. GO CONTRIBUTE TO THE R/HR THREAD.

I've been patient, I've been fair and I've done everything I can to make it easier, but I am really going to start losing my very fragile temper if people cannot seem to follow the most basic of rules.

Please, don't wind me up anymore. If you don't have something constructive to say here, don't say anything at all. If I see anymore posts like this, I'm going to delete them without further notice.

I really don't think that I can be any clearer than that.

Apparently Dana_Scully hasn't made her point clear, you idiots{no offense} I mean come on. THIS IS A SUPPORTER THREAD FOR CRIPES SAKE. Anyway, sorry but i had to get that out. I am all for a Harry/Hermione thing. Personally, I can't see what anyone would see in Ron/Hermione. Anyways, sorry 'bout the idiot thing, just can't stand it. I have had my say so that is that.

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Rogue_109 Posted on Apr 28 2005, 05:30 AM

By the way, youre absolutely right Dragonslayer! That theory disgusts me.

Rogue, please choose your word carefully. Saying other people 'idiot' even with a 'no offense' statement, does not negating what you meant. This is a cyberspace we're conversing in. What we have to rely on are just what we've typed out. People can read it in a whole different ways and misunderstanding often occured because of that. And I'm just offering a word of advice.

And welcome to the forums too, btw! I've edited your first post and insert the second one because we're not allowing double-posting here. You can always edit/add whatever you want by using the edit button on top right handside of your post. If you have anything to ask, just PM me or any other mods, I promise I won't bite!

Anyway, yesh. I'm a H/Hr supporter here. Been that before in the first thread and still am now. I *do* read the debate threads occasionally but they have yet to convince me about other ships. So, I'm very much comfortable in this boat I'm in.

I think this couple might be possible in JK's HBP. Mostly Hermione spends time with Harry a lot rather than Ron. We usually see the words 'Harry and Hermione' in book 5. Even though many people say she kissed Ron (on the cheek)...so what? He wasn't the first person she kissed. She gave Harry an 'I'll miss you' kiss on the cheek in GoF. This relationship might work out. They really care about each other, deep, deep inside They're the perfect match. They look out for each other no matter what. Besides, Ron's a bit of a goofball. By just reading the books, I can tell he's a bit of a slob. (especially when he eats) I'm pretty sure Hermione doesn't tolerate that slobbiness. She's too...PERFECT, for Ron

ok i have made up my mind! i am gonna support Harry and Hermione now! i didn't know who i wanted to support before but now i am gonna be a strone H/Hr supporter yay! wow it feels good to have my mind made up!

Harry and Hermione Together Forever

I support Harry/Hermione all the way. I don't think Ron would be good for Hermione because he is always angry at her. I know many people say that Ron and Hermione argue because they like each other, but I think the opposite. Harry almost never yells at Hermione. In fact, the only time he ever yelled at her was in The Order Of The Phoenix. And Harry and Hermione seem like they are just really good friends, so I think they can be more then just good friends.

I love the hero gets the girl plot mainly because my name is Lois and (superman Lois and Clark) in the end they marry. so of course I'm going to pull for them besides It'd would make a great love triangle Ron,Hermione,Harry .......... J.k. if your listening I would right this in the seventh book!

Harry/Hermione is the best couple

:lol: cool!!!
they are good couple anyway
so i think i'm going to stick with that..

>can someone help me how to put pictures or avatar?? please i'm stuck :(

If you visit this link, you'll find all the help you need.

Any problems, please post in that thread I've given you and we'll do our best to help you out.

For now, let's get back to Harry/Hermione.

Did any of you guys see the GoF promo picture on the CBBC Newsround site? Harry and Hermione holding hands, again, in the chaos of the QWC....Hermione looking terrified as she watched Harry in the first task.....awwww....just gotta love those two, haven't you?

Here's my two cents on the whole Harry/Hermione thing. I am a total H/HR shipper, and I would positively love it if they were to get together. Reasons why:

1. Ron could never fully appreciate a mind like Hermiones. Harry is just as smart as Hermione however, he just doesn't talk about it much.

2. I believe Jo Rowling would absolutely love tricking all the fans into believing Ron and Hermione would get together, and then flipping it on them in the end.

3. Harry seems to really care for Hermione, in a deeper way than Ron, and if you notice, in all the books and movies, Hermione grabs on to Harry when she's scared. All throughout POA she holds his hand through everything, and, from what I've seen of the Quidditch World Cup preview, she hangs onto Harry there as well.

4. The Hero HAS to get the girl! Thats the way it should work out. Ron can have Luna or Parvati or something.

Now the part that I hate, the reasons why I feel I might be fooling myself and she might end up with Ron afterall:

1. Although I don't think Jo Rowling would do it (it being far too simple an answer), she could (heaven forbid), make it work out all peachy with no complications, which means Ron/Hermione, and Harry/Ginny, and Neville/Luna. This would really make me angry! Ginny being the obvious choice for Harry because she looks so similar to his mother.

2. All the squishy moments in the books, Hermione kissing Ron, Hermione hugging Ron, Hermione getting upset when he yells at her, etc.

However, I think Ron is far too frightened all the time to be a good match for Hermione, and, while I do think they will briefly get together, I think it will be a fleeting thing, after which she moves on to a much longer lasting relationship with Harry.

Please JK Rowling don't disappoint me! I couldn't bear it! Harry/Hermione to the end!

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oh you guys have some great points but sadly i have some but it;s too much to type and it will take up my time ( what a great h/hr shipper i am lol) iam jealous of those who had that kind of time to do such things.
Well I must say I truly love the idea of harry and hermione getting together it might make the book more worth reading for me cause well with the whole sirus dying and all it kinda broke my spirit very time I read it I have to skip those pages. Well hope with Harry and Hermione hooking up will make me more happier or so but if they don't Jk rowling has to make the books really really good with some new twist in it or something lol.

i agree with you guys!!!! harry and hermione is the best!!!!!!!!!!!

MOD EDIT : Hiya and welcome to the forums!! It's always nice to have another H/Hr on board!! I'm afraid I will need to ask you to please read the rules before you post anything else though - netspeak is not allowed on the forum. Your post has been edited. A good first stop for newbies is the Lounge forum where you can find threads to say hi and get to know the members here. Have fun!!

Well, having ducked out of the debating thread (other than my moderating thing, of course... ) because I'm beginning to wonder if I'm reading the same book as some R/Hr shippers who insist that a few hugs and constant quarrelling seemingly indicates everlasting love, I've decided to seek solace in this thread where I stand a chance of some fellow H/Hr shippers (whom I know are there, because it's pretty much level-pegging right now between the supporters of both ships) agreeing with me that Harry has the maturity, emotion, empathy and understanding that would make him far more suited to Hermione than Ron is.

I don't know if any of you guys have been reading my points in the debating thread about the whole Firebolt incident, but I reckon that's just one example of how Harry is far more aware of Hermione and her feelings than Ron was - I'm not saying he doesn't care, of course he did because he's her friend - but I just don't think that he's on the same level, so to speak, as Hermione which is the basis behind my belief that they're just not truly suited.

But I'm not going to go into all that again, I spent long enough talking about it over in the other thread...

The main reasons I'm posting are firstly to mention the photos they're releasing from GoF - I know that this is supposed to be the most shippy film yet, JKR has apparently squashed the idea of H/Hr and everyone seems to be convinced that R/Hr is going to happen.....but if that's the case, then why are the majority of the photos they're releasing from the film featuring H/Hr so heavily? This one, this one, and this one in particular I thought was interesting...I'm sure Ash will appreciate this, but see how Harry and Hermione are on the same level? And the way she is looking at him while Ron focuses in the distance, as does Harry? It shows the focus of her attention and it's subtle things like this that really show the true focus of her feelings, you know? Plus there's the one's again today from the ABC special that shows them dancing together...

Anywho, I'm not really one for citing films much in the way of evidence because they are the vision of the director rather than JKR, but I still thought it was interesting...I mean, they carefully choose what to release, don't they? Wouldn't you have thought, with the strength of the R/Hr camp, that they'd focus a little more on either the trio as a whole or R/Hr, trying to whip up the frenzy that would create their audience?

Now I've got that off my chest, I'd like to say a very warm welcome to Lumosart and TheSpecialist into our little fold here! Very nice posts! However, I would like to make one small point, Lumosart...I'm not quite sure I agree with you on the 'hero has to get the girl' point...it's one of the main criticisms that's made of our ship is that this point is one of the mainstays of our arguments, when it's one of the weaker points, I feel anyway. That's not always the case and would be a little cliched for such a subtle and clever writer as JKR. If Harry is to end up with Hermione (and I'm not sure that anyone will end up with anyone by the end of the series, but it may certainly be intimated in the final book) then it would be for far deeper reasons than simply to fulfil the promise of all fiction that evil is banished and the hero gets the girl. I think JKR has something far more moralistic and meaningful in mind than that.

And I don't think Hermione gets anymore upset over her quarrels with Ron than she does over arguments with Harry. Personally, I do think she worries less that they'll make it up, but that's because she *knows* they will because of the closeness ahe and Harry have. She gets upset with Ron because he's of the personality type to let arguments drag on for weeks and make her feel bad at every opportunity (including taking the mick from her studious nature) in his rather cumbersome way of, apparently, showing that he cares for her.

I don't know...if I was Hermione, I know who I'd rather be with.

*comes out from behind the shadows*

Ooh, those three pictures are very excellent, Louise! Especially the last one. I didn't notice about that the 'same eye-level' between Hermione and Harry before. And yeah, it clearly shows that Hermione was looking at Harry at the moment.

And I'd like to say one thing, you know what they say about girls maturing much earlier than boys, don't you? Well, that's what I see in Hermione since PoA. Remember the scene at the beginning of PoA? When Harry was climbing down the stairs over the bickering Hermione and Ron about their pet? Did you notice how Hermione's face lift upon seeing Harry? It's like she's saying 'Aren't a sight for sore eyes?' I always thought it was like that.

So, here we have GoF. Harry would be too busy to consider a soulmate right then. Forget Cho. Every boy likes a pretty girl at that time. Ron and Fleur. Harry and Cho. It took some years more for them to realise that the right girl was the one under their very own nose. But I can see Hermione does care for Harry from GoF onwards. Trust me, it's more than a brother-sister kind of relationship. Brother and sister *bickers* at that point of age.

Another thing, a realised something from the GoF teaser too... Hermione screamed for Harry during the first task. Why did they includes it in? There is no dialogue what so ever except from Dumbledore explaining about the tournament. But they just *have* to include Hermione screaming out Harry's name, eh? Why not Ron? Or, heh! why not *Ginny*?

Aight, nuff said!! as you can see I'm not that good a debater and I certainly don't appreciate getting attacked at at the debate threads. Hey, I like what I ship. If others can be *adamant* about what they ship, then so can I, eh?

Right, goes back into the shadows now.... it's a comfortable spot I'm sitting in this boat right now, nice overview!

Oh wow, Louise! You make me want to read the whole series again and watch the three movies again especially PoA! I didn't notice the slashing portrait bit before! I will concentrate more after this.

Anyway, it'a late and I'm very tired after a very long day and a bit ratty right now and I've promised not to stay up late again but I can't sleep until I say this.

I don't see why the other shipper keep using the fact that Hermione staying over the summer at the Burrow instead of with Harry which foreshadowing their (Hermione and Ron) deepening relationship. I mean, it's really not fair, you know... do you think Harry wouldn't invite Hermione over if it wasn't because he's staying with the Dursleys?? Think about it, the Dursleys are treating him badly, even in OotP where they're supposed to be aware of Sirius being his godfather (and Harry had cleverly omitted the fact that he's innocent!) What would they do to Hermione if she's there? Harry wouldn't want them to treat her bad too! And Hermione going over to the Burrows may not because of Ron personally, she's good with Ginny too and she knows Molly Weasley and the twins. It doesn't have to be because of Ron... hey, it could be because of DD asking Arthur to bring her over so that it'll be easy to make a move to the Headquaters when they have to... I dunno...

I reckon Harry would definitely invite her over the summer if Sirius manage to get a house for both of them after PoA (remember the part where he invited Harry to stay with him?) but alas, that scumbag Peter had to escaped...

[B] I really want Harry and Hermione to end up ! They're just ment to be . . .

OMG I could die if Harry and Hermione don't end up togther they are so perfect or eachother I have written 15 fanfics with them falling in love,
I ablsoultly love this ship!

Are you serious ?? You've written 15 fanfics?
Wow, you do have a lot of free time, don't you?
...15 fics.. impressive... and all of them are Harry/Hermione fics..?

well, I'm a H/Hr shipper too, obviously, they're ment for eachother!

Hey, I love this new thread! Talking about pics: did you see the one where Harry and Hermione are dancing at the Yule Ball? I was wondering if it was a movie's scene or just Dan and Emma enjoying the dancing! Well... if it's the first option... then it would be quite interesting for all of us H/Hr supporters!!!

I agree with Lumosart, I think Harry/Hermione is the best ship!

i would personally want hermione and harry to get together...but i have a strong feeling that ron and hermione will get together and harry and ginny will get together...hopefully im wrong

I too would really want Harry and Hermione to end up together . . . Even if sometimes I am convinced that they will end up, there's still a doubt they won't . . .I feel really bad saying this but it seems Ron and Hermione will end up and Harry'll die . . . I desperately wish that I'm wrong . . . !!!!!!!!!!

some people i talk to say they just cant see them together.... i dont know what they're thinking.... i cant see her with ron!

thats exactly how i feel! everyone at school thinks its ron/hermione but i really can't picture them together at all

I'm new here so I just thought I would post my two cents on Harry and Hermione.

While reading each book for the first time, I always had a bit of a suspicion about Harry and Hermione. And everytime I've read the books since then it only makes me more sure that they are meant to be together. I don't see how anyone can think otherwise if they have really been paying attention to the clues and symbolism. Who else in the books has a bond like they do? Individually they are intellegent, talented, brave, caring, and loyal. But together they are unbeatable.
They trust each other like no one else, can tell what the other one is thinking, can communicate with just a look, and know each other better than anyone else does. With each book, their bond has become stronger and I can only see this continuing to happen. Hermione is the only person who has always been completely loyal to Harry and stood by him even when he treated her unfairly.
I believe that Harry will come to realise this and how much Hermione really means to him. After almost losing her, he'll be thinking of her constantly. He has never really had the chance to consider what Hermine means to him and when he does, he'll wonder why he didn't see it before.

Hopefully in the next book, we'll see Harry trying to show Hermione that he appreciates her and that he needs her badly.

I thought I would leave a quote from Goblet of Fire that could literally put a hole in the ron/hermione shippers if you could see it in the right perspective.

(quote)
"What about Ron though?" he{Harry}said."Don't you want to go with him?"

"Oh...well..." Hermione went slightly pink. I thought we might meet up with him in the Three Broomsticks...."

"No," said Harry flatly.
(end quote)

Have fun with this quote for a little while and see what you come up with, trust me when I say that every little flaw a R/Hr shipper finds can be retaliated in this quote and what comes later a couple of pages away.

(If you want to study this you can find it in the American Edition: Goblet of Fire, Chapter 19: The Hungarian Horntail, page 318)

Ha ha, excellent point demented.
If hermione had anything more than friendship feelings toward Ron, you would think that she would have went with him to Hogsmeade and maybe tried to get Ron to meet with Harry with the prospect of mending their friendship. But that's not the case at all. Hermione specifically chose to side with Harry throughout the fight and go to Hogsmeade with him. She may have had the idea to get Harry to meet with Ron at some point but must also been aware that Harry might say no to that idea, which he did, and therefore Hermione would end up spending the entire Hogsmeade trip with Harry.
I believe that Hermione wanted to be with Harry all along and only planned to get Harry to see Ron in order to mend the rift between them, and only because that would make Harry happy.

[SIZE=1] An excellent point made by Runes, but you left out one little detail. Why did Hermione turned pink? I think it was because she thought that Harry began to suspect that she liked him. Unfortunately we all know that most guys dont pay that much attention. But she thought he did and thats why she blushed.

i think she blushed because she was slightly embarassed about her suggestion, becuase she knew Harry and Ron were still going at it. i think she was only trying to make things better between the two of them....

Man...I have read so many shippy threads in the past 2 months, it's incredible with the amount of info and hard work people put in just to prove a point.

Soon, in the next 2 books, we're gonna find out which Ship sets sail, and sinks the rest. (Or maybe we'll all sink? )

Anyways there is so much evidence for a lot of ships, but none as much as R/Hr, H/Hr.

So i'll say right now, that my prediction that the following ships will sink....or have already been sunk.

Harry/Cho - Sunk
Harry/Ginny - Sinking
Harry/Luna - Gonna Sink
Ron/Cho - Never Floated
Ron/Hermione - Soon to be Sunk


These are just my predictions, based on me reading hundreds, i mean HUNDREDS, of threads for all ships.
By reading all of these, I have to admit, I have seen VERY good arguments for both sides (R/Hr, H/Hr), but in the end I've just seen more clues and evidence towards a H/Hr relationship than a R/Hr.

I don't want to be biased, or just say what I'm hoping for, but I've seen more R/Hr shippers jump ship than H/Hr.
I know both of our ships have people who would drop the book all together and never read it again if their ship didn't work out.

Just wanted to post a hello. I... erm... accidentally wrote a novel in the debate thread. Think it takes up all of page 13. Unfortunately I don't think it follows the debate 'rules' per se, but it was in direct response to a R/Hr shipper question about us H/Hr shippers.

Personally, I don't look for clues in her writing. I don't find J.K. to be a subjective writer, I find her an emotional writer. That is why they sell, so I am a H/Hr shipper because that is the emotions I got out of the books Call me crazy lol.

Anyways, nice to meet you all, just over a month to go! Can't wait. I always end up reading the newest book, then re-reading the whole series just to cement the whole series as a single mesh.

Hiya Sethas, welcome to the forums!!

Your post in the debate thread was totally fine, mate. You backed up your reasons for shipping your ship with evidence, and that's what the thread is all about. Just wanted to give you confirmation from the horse's mouth y'know...

We need more H/H supporters like you, in fact...up and ready for a good debate about why they support their ship!! Being a mod, I haven't got the time nor the liberty to do so, but I'm sure most of youse know I'm a H/H shipper eh... Anyway keep up the good work!!

Oh and before I go, just need to make you aware that there are rules on site which you'll have to abide by and you can read all about them here. Any questions, feel free to PM me or one of the other mods okay?!

Yep, I had read all the forums that interested me before I ever posted on one, so I tried to follow the rules, I just meant that I did not have book/page numbers to back up my evidence is all. Ah well.

I -do- wonder how long it is going to take any of the R/Hr people to respond to that though, they still seem mostly focussed on patting each other on the back on the debate thread. Pity.

Oh! Where do I find the account settings so I can actually make a Signature? I seem to be blind when it comes to that.

Well, Sethas, I did try and contribute a bit over there but I got very tired of it in the end because I felt a lot of the R/Hr arguments were based not on the text, but on suppositions of things that may or may not have happened 'off-set' as it were, or were opinions rooted in highly personal interpretations, so I felt that arguments were largely pointless there anymore... But rest assured that there are many H/Hr shippers still around - very firmly so - and even if R/Hr do 'get closer' in HBP, I'll still insist that they aren't suited and that, give time, maybe even beyond Hogwarts, it's Harry that Hermione is ultimately suited to...

As for the signature settings, you should find all the help you need in this thread, but if there's any further help you need, just PM one of the mods and we'll try and help you out.

It was how frustrated you were getting, partly because of not having time to fully commit yourself, and the behavior I was seeing against the H/Hr shippers that caused you to leave the thread. I can understand that, I am just one of those stubborn bull Taurus' who refuse to go down without a fight. I also wish to see if these 'Great Debaters' can see the point of a debate. The point of a debate is to try and convince, not force feed. I am even re-reading the books as I type (Well not literally but close enough) so as to be well versed in our defense. That is, if they ever acknowledge having even read my novel... er post.

Thanks for the link about the signatures thing, will go read it asap. Hopefully it'll tell me where to go to set my signature, as making one is pretty simple

i'm new on here, but i thought i'd tell everyone hi, & i'm also a h/hr supporter. take it from someone who's been in a relationship with someone that is my complete opposite, it's not fun. that's one reason why i support the h/hr ship. but also for every reason that's been named on here. i honestly believe that it's possible ron loves hermoine, but i believe her and harry will ultimately get together. besides that, J.k. said that the 3rd movie did a lot of foreshadowing that would play into later parts of the story, so i think that it did a lot foreshadowing as to the was this is gonna go. besides, no girl wants to be in a relationship with someone who yells at them all the time.

Hi there, kf100! Welcome here!

It's really great to have more H/Hr shippers around here. So just make yourself comfortable on this boat we're sailing...

Hello fellow shippers! (relaxes because is finally in safe territory)

The thing about the debating thread is that the R/Hr shippers have an argument that they will argue (at great length). .. but alot of the time their facts are not correct and they use things out of context and I continually see them Assuming that this or that is going on (for instance that Hermione spent the whole summer with the weasleys at grimmauld place) when we have no cannon to prove this. (Hermione could just as easily found out all the information she knew from Ginny, she didn't have to be there and witness it for herself to know all about it. Not that it matters one way or the other)

H/Hr shippers usually use Cannon evidence because there is frankly so much of it. Using assumptions rather than cannon is not the basis for an argument, because different people can assume different things. Cannon is cannon and doesn't change by a persons point of view.

I have to say that "the hero gets the girl" thing is kind of insulting to the depth of the relationship shown between Harry and Hermione. Hermione is hardly a trophy for him to carry around on his arm. She is his equal and he treats her as such. He would not have accomplished many of the things he has without her and no one knows or acknowledges this more than he does. They are a team.

Ever since I first read the books, I always assumed Harry would be with Hermione. It was only when I discovered the websites and forums that I realized anyone would think differently. When I think of Hermione ending out with Ron it just seems sad. I like Ron, but not for Hermione, their bickering would get really old so quickly. And I really don't see how She and Harry could share such an obviously strong connection and have her be with Ron. In every book she has chosen to spend the time with Harry when there has been a choice between the two. Ron needs someone who looks up to him and admires him, his ego needs alot.

And on that subject... I read a theory recently and I am so annoyed that I don't know where I read it... I should have kept a copy... Someone said that they actually didn't think Ron liked Hermione, that he actually thinks Harry likes her (which would explain why he never seems jealous towards her choosing Harry over him all the time) and that Harry thinks Ron likes Hermione thus he hasn't allowed himself to think about her like that... and at some point Harry will find out that Ron Doesn't like Hermione and that will allow him to admit his feelings, even to himself. This was a new one to me. What a great theory, I never wanted Ron to be crushed by them getting together.

I have to say that I believe that this could be possible. In the GOF when I was re reading lately I truly do not see any attraction from Ron toward Hermione. He was actually insensitive and insulting to her. Not believing it was possible that anyone would have asked her to the dance. It is interesting how your point of view can really affect how you see each individual situation, especially in JKR world and if you just read the words and watch the situations you can clearly see H/Hr.

The infamous tension between Ron and Hermione is not romantic tension in my eyes. To me it seems as thought they just annoy each other and in a way put up with each other. Hermione annoys Ron with her constant book reading and studying and Ron annoys Hermione with his shallow ways of thinking and disregard for Harry's safety. I truly don't see attraction.

I also think that JKR purposely showed us Ron's reaction to Ginny dating Michael Corner, because it is nealry identical to his reaction to Hermione going to the ball with Krum. He acts posessive and irrationally jealous... He seems to think of Hermione how he thinks of his sister... as a sister. I really think that he was jealous of her being with Krum because he really thought that Krum couldn't have been interested in HER so he was only trying to get info about Harry and help to win the tasks. Which is what JKR wrote.

I agree completely with Dana_Scully regarding the Firebolt incident, which is one of many where Harry shows concern for Hermione. I just loved reading that! I could never see Ron doing something like that for Hermione.

Regarding the movies, I realize they put the hand grabbing thing in and the shreiking shack thing in but you can read those more than one way... I saw an avatar once that showed Hermione grabbing Ron's hand and looking and saying Yech, Your not Harry! She was startled and grabbed an arm which could have been Harry if he had been standing next to her, or anyone else who had been standing there. At the shrieking shack I see it that they look uncomfortable being alone together without Harry, as my daugher is when she is with her friends boyfriend and her friend isn't around. (and no she isn't attracted to him)

My favorite parts of the movie were the nearly 1/3 of it that had Harry and Hermine clinging to each other in the forrest... Now that was good. They have to portray alot of information visually in movies because of time constraints and I think they are doing this... little red herrings about Ron and Hermione and then long touching scenes of Harry and Hermione... like JKR does in the books with little tense moments (red herrings) between Ron and Hermione and then pages and pages of Harry and Hermione's concern and commintment to each other.

I deffinately see POA as a H/Hr ship movie.

OOTP is my favorite book relationship wise because it is SO H/HR. Coincidentally coming right after the book that is Suppose to be so R/HR. NOT! (Conveniently enough it is the most RECENT book showing the current TREND)

Their relationship stepped up several notches in this book. There are so many references to Hermione in Harry's thoughts in this book. She is now the voice in his head. It is so weak when R/HR shippers try to say that Hermione nags Harry. I read that so much in their posts. It is obviously just their point of view on the matter because I don't see her as nagging him at all and frankly I don't see that Harry sees it that way either. He clearly sees it as her concern for his well being and by OOTP he is Relying on it more and more to the point that he is irritated when he percieves that she isn't completely on his side as he expects her to be (at which time she points out that low and behold she IS on his side as she ALWAYS is.)

Two of my favorite shippy scenes are:

One: Beginning at the Dursley's when Harry is SO Clearly JEALOUS that Ron and Hermione are together without him... to the point that he throws away all the chocolate that they had sent him for his birthday. Now, He is starving because of Dudley's diet program that the house is following and He Loves Candy and he Throws it all away... This is a very extreme reaction to his two friends (who are also friends) getting together without him . And when He arrives at Grimmauld place he just goes off at them and is not upset to see that Hermione has been bitten by Hedwig... His jealousy is so Great ... I mean, Ron is jealous about everything, but Harry just does not do this. When Cho went to the ball with Cedric he didn't act out irrationally, he kept his cool... but this is somehow Bigger .... HMMMM...

Two: I also Loved Christmas at Grimmauld place when Harry got Hermione the Arithmancy book. I recognized it right away as the best thing he could have gotten her... he totally gets her, he pays attention to what is important to her... he remembered that two years ago she told him that Arithmancy was her favorite subject... As a book lover myself I could completely relate to what a perfect gift that was for her.

Juxtaposed to Ron's gift of perfume, which to some might be romantic, but when you are considering who he is giving it to, it showed a distinct lack of insight into what She is interested in. Again, I can relate... I am not a perfume type of person (any more than Hermione seems to be as we have never read about her smelling of perfume). And apparently Hermione feels the same way, as she described it as "unusual", which if you read further in the same book you will note that she uses the same word to describe the Quibbler Magazine, which we find out she thinks is junk. So, we know what the word Unusual means when Hermione uses it to avoid hurting someone's feelings.

Hermione's complete lack of interest once Harry stops playing Quiddich is also very telling. She enthusiastically went to every game when he was playing and now she would only go if Harry went to watch Ron. When Ron got on the team and they were celebrating in the common room, she was SLEEPING. This is not typical behavior from Hermione as we have read the books. She is so not interested in what is going on that she is dozing. As soon as Harry shows up, she perks up and when he says he is leaving she takes her first opportunity to leave without being rude, which to me implys that she would have done so hours ago if she felt she could get away with it. Now, I don't know how R/H shippers don't see this as a bad thing for their ship... Ron has not accomplished all that much and when he finally does, Hermione is not enthusiastic or interested in sharing his victory. This was her chance to stand by HIM and be happy for his success (if she was the least bit interested in him) but low and behold she is in a corner sleeping wishing she could go to bed. HMMM.

I guess I can't say everything I love about this pairing in one post so I will cease and desist for now.

I will enjoy reading all YOUR thoughts on the subject!!

Thank you all!

Ah, Jewal, you have no idea what a breath of fresh air you are to have around here.. What more can I add to everything you've already said? I totally agree with everything you said and you touched on many of the reasons why I ship H/Hr and always have done - like you, when I first got to the fandom, I was really surprised at how everyone seemed to be backing R/Hr and for a long time, I wondered where they saw half the hints that they reckoned pointed towards R/Hr. To give them their dues, I have come to see that they do have points about certain things, but again, like you jewel, I find much of their arguments irrelevant and based on assumptions about events that may or may not have happened instead of looking at the canon. To me, it's like arguing with someone about religion, which is why I backed out of that debate too. You just can't argue with people who base things on faith and supposition instead of discussing the evidence in hand, you know?

I'm not saying Ron doesn't deserve to be with someone - of course he does, like anyone. But no one needs affection in these books more than Harry does and I can't imagine anyone more suited to him than Hermione. As you said, the Arithmancy book was thoughtful...a gift from someone who truly knows and understands you. Ron's gift was sweet, but rather perfunctory and is indicative more of a crush than the basis for something stronger, something that will last, you know?

And I always took the bickering over the Yule Ball thing to be based partly on jealousy on Ron's part - Hermione was close to Viktor, one of Ron's all time heroes - he was bound to be jealous. Moreover, her comments about Ron having the emotional depth of a teaspoon and so on were always done within Harry's earshot...and many people find it easier to make a point by making it indirectly...I've always thought that she really wanted Harry to look at her differently - which indeed he did - he glanced at her several times during that dance and certainly seemed preoccupied by her.

And that's not to mention the whole OotP incident in the DoM where he was very worried over what had happened to Hermione, partly because he blamed himself, yes...but also because I don't know how he'd have dealt with it if anything happened to one of his very best friends. I suppose we'll have a better idea about that when we read HBP.

But you're very welcome to our little fold here, jewal!! It's great to read thoughts and perspectives from another H/Hr shipper!

Thank you Dana_Scully

I appreciate your comments so much as I admire your posts as very well thought out and said and you also appreciate cannon as I do.

I felt a little bruised at the debate thread and I wasn't even brave enought to debate! I just threw in a little question I wanted answered and fled!

Yikes!

Woohoo, I guess great minds think alike! I totally agree with both of you jewal and Dana_Scully, you made great points.
One the the biggest pieces of evidence that R/Hr shippers cling to is the yule ball. But Ron's rudeness and lack of respect for Hermione is....well, rudeness and lack of respect. He just can't believe that she would have a date let alone Viktor Krum, Ron's idol. I think he is jealous that she got to know Viktor, not that he wanted to go to the ball with her. If he likes her so much he should have been just a tiny bit nicer wouldn't you say?
And the whole thing with Ginny and Michael is hilarious. I mean, what is the point of giving us Ron's reaction to them dating if not to compare it with his reaction to Hermione? It doen't alter the story to see him over react with Ginny, it just shows us that Ron may treat both girls the same.
Harry does get Hermione and he is the only one to do so. He actually listens to her and respects her for her intelligence and bravery. Ron makes fun of and belittles her for her book smarts and studying. He just can't get past the fact that she is usually right.
Also, Hermione's lack of interest in Quidditch when Harry isn't playing is just too funny. That is a huge clue to how much she care's for Harry. We are meant to notice how she doesn't care for the game when Ron's playing, it's in the book. And we're meant to notice that she went to watch Harry play even when he wasn't speaking to her.

I have always shipped Harry and Hermione, I just can't see it any other way.