Yeah, even Rupert and Emma are now realizing that it's Ron and Hermione in the end.

gryffin_hauz_88,
You have placed the 100th posting of the 2nd version of R/Hr thread!
Congratulations.
So this is the 101st posting:
Ron and Hermione have been making plans and appointments for the summer behind Harry's back since the end of the second school year.
In the beginning of POA: they planned to meet at the Diagon Alley one day before taking the train, so they could stay overnight at the Leaky Cauldron together. Er... I mean, together with other Weasleys and, as Ron knew from his father, with Harry as well. And Harry knew nothing about it, until he saw them enjoying ice-cream together.
In the beginning of GOF: Hermione came one day earlier than Harry. Why not on the same day as Harry? She would rather to sleep in crammed room of Ginny for one extra night (or as much as allowed by her parents)? Hmm. I have to read her book on what mad things girls do. As far as Harry knew, he would be picked up only one night before the game. Apparently Ron was busy the day before, and couldn't properly receive Harry, if he came earlier. But, Harry didn't know this, of course.
In the beginning of OOP: Hermione was staying for a month with Ron before Harry arrived in 12GP. Shouldn't she be in Bulgaria? Apparently not. And again, Harry knew nothing about the arrangement.
At the end of OOP: Hermione promised earnestly "Very soon, Harry" to confirm Ron's statement: "We'll see you soon, mate".
What on earth are they planning for Harry?
Any thoughts or suggestions?
(And should I say "they" as one pair or two friends?)

Oh, Muggy, how I love you!


*gets hopes up*



LOL.


But seriously, you DO have a point there, mate. I'm thinking now, "They might just be together." But then, I'll wait til JKR confirms it.



You really know how to present your case. I think you should be a lawyer, or defend my thesis!

Geez, I am turning scarlet reading your posting, Iannina.
Thanks for the compliments.
Hope you have enough confidence for R/Hr even if JKR decides to delay the announcement for another book!
But looking at 50-day countdown standee in bookstores, with Ron and Hermione standing so close together looking up to Dumbledore and Harry, I can't really think of any reason to doubt. Of course, Jo can still change her mind in Book 7, but assuming she is true to her clues, Ron and Hermione is a sure bet, although their romance will quickly be overshadowed by Harry's love story (with Ginny, I guess).

Oh, Muggy... You make me want to believe in love again! LOL.


Oh, heck. No matter what happens, I feel it in my gut that R/Hr will end up together. I don't believe it when people say that they're just the red herring of the story. From what I've come to realize, JKR isn't that predictable.



Aww. *muses over a bunch of fanfics-in-progress* Now, if only I could get on with these.



Ron + Hermione = <3

Well said, Muggy!!!

Oh, you've forhot something about Ron and Hermione, planning behind Harry's back. It didn't start on their second year days, it started on their first year days.

You are right. That part has been overlooked because many thought at that time Ron and Hermione were too young to have the intention for a relationship. Maybe Ron was, but Hermione was certainly more advanced than her age. She was the one insisting on it, right? And she used Harry as the reason, so Ron would agree. Is it one of the mad things girls do to get boys?

I agree. Hermione is a clever girl that's why she knows what she's doing. And of course, Ron will agree because it's for Harry.

Oooh. Shippy, shippy.

So, I got thinking (thanks to Muggleview, such a darling! )...


There might be a chance that R/Hr are actually dating behind Harry's back. But then, they might be just friends.

The things that darling Muggy pointed out show that R/Hr spend an awful lot of time together, but they might be doing that just because. They surely feel something for each other--that's why they are compelled to do things together. It's as natural as breathing. It's as if it's a reflex.

Stuff happen. Hr asks R's opinion, or maybe ask if he's alright. And then she asks Harry.

There still is a possibility that they aren't together yet. Well, they technically are, but they don't know it yet.

We already agree that Ron and Hermione matured at a different pace. Adding the age problem (in the height of puberty), they are not confident enough to go to public. That's the angst of romantic relationship. They are afraid to get heartbreak, what if they read the signs wrong. The readers and their peers usually (think they) know better, those two are meant for each other, but the lovers got the most burdens, and they can be stupidly blind to the obvious, until opportunity presents itself by forcing both to open up.
My analysis is: when Hermione bursted open in POA, Ron was not ready for a relationship yet. He was still in the confusing more-than-regular friendship mode with Hermione. Only in GOF, after realizing Hermione as a "girl", he developed the romantic feeling, showed to outside as jealousy. In OOP, both stepped into a new stage of spending more time alone, but with no commitment and possibly very limited actions. Jo Rowling's characters are not as quick in actions as the current teens on TV. However, it doesn't undermine the fact that they are together. You tried to put the words "crazy for each other" in my mouth. That's not how I see their romance. I see Ron and Hermione as intelligent people, who are driven not by emotional, but more by intellectual. Their bickering has shown how they tried to know each other intellectually. This is different from knowing each other by "what a good kisser one is". They are attracted to each other subconsciously, while maintaining their loyalty to their friendship with Harry. It was Hermione who started it by having secret practice with Ron. Because it was for Harry, Ron complied. But then, in Book 2, to Harry's annoyance, Hermione and Ron started Polyjuice without him. Subsequently, Ron and Hermione met separately without Harry more often in each year.
In summary: relationship built by attraction + intellectual foundation (bickering), not emotional.

Dearest Iannina, :blush: :blush: Thanks.

I agree with all you posted, muggy... you're really the best!

If this doesn't happen, I will be deeply shocked. And gryffin_hauz, the books are clearly set in the times when they are written, or they may just be timeless classics. Who knows? And what are you saying about teenages not being liberated in the 1990s? Have you never heard of the 60's?

Ron, is a jealous guy in the last two books and I think in Order of the Phoenix that there will be a relationship when, before he goes out onto the pitch for his first Quidditch match, Hermione kisses him on the cheek. No if that's not a sign I don't know what is.

gryffin_hauz_88, what does your sig avie say, my computer is crap, help. I'm Ellen by the way, not Amy.
Yes, Muggy as you were talking about before those are some of the mad things girls do to get the guy they like.
I do agree, muggy, with you're view on the progession of their relationship. In PoA, I think Hermione realized she liked Ron, and in GoF is when Ron realized he like her. In OoP they spend a good amount of time together, without Harry.
But I think Ron is maturning, in no way do I think Harry is more mature than him, it makes me laugh when others think otherwise, it's like "Did you read the four and fifth book?" In GoF, how he reacted to Ron being mad at him was just as bad as Ron, but Ron is the one who says he's sorry, and in OoP, all he did in the beginning of it was conplain! Mature, I don't think so.
Sorry, got off topic.
But Muggy I disagree with you a little. I think Ron and Hermione are built pretty storngly on attraction as well as intellent, lack of such would make them Harry and Hermione. This is coming from the mind of a teenage girl, so I know what Hermione is feeling because I am her age.
I think they have a spark, it's kinda sexy really.

Gryffin_hauz_88,
Thanks for the supporting words. Well said about priorities.
Hermione's priority is school. Her worse nightmare is not being killed, but being expelled.
Ron's priority is to be someone special among his brothers. He has been a wizard lifelong. Learning at Hogwarts for him (as for the twins) is just to master the complicated techniques in organized way. Just like a fish learns to swim olympic games strokes. He wants to use the time to be distinguished from his brothers. (That's why Mirror of Erised chapter is important).
Somehow their paths crossed and in achieving their own priorities, they were hopelessly entangled with unexplainable attractions to each other.
I think this is what Ellen meant, which I missed in my postings.
We know that the attraction is not (yet) physical. Ron and Hermione are not the good-looking ones at Hogwarts, although they probably are in the movies. However, they are somehow attracted to each other. Love is blind.

Auror001, about that not liberated thing, I haven't heard what happened on the 60's, I'm sorry but that's what I think. I thought in those times, teenagers are not yet so liberated.

Ellen, I didn't mean to do that to your computer. I'm just a proud R/Hr supporter...

muggy, it's alright, I'm always here to support you.

Anyways, back to the topic, about the priorities. I again agree. Their other priority is Harry. How to help him, to protect him and keep him safe. And because of Harry, being one of their priorities, they're having this bonding which making they closer to each other.

About the maturity, I think, it's still in the topic. Ok, I think we agree that it was Hermione who matured first then Ron and well... err... Harry? I agree with Ellen that Harry is not yet matured.

And this maturity thing helps Ron and Hermione about their feelings. Ron and Hermione, in OotP, are not bickering that much instead, they' re now, as what muggy had said in some of her posts, standing for each other's opinion. And this maturity helps Ron and Hermione to develop a mutual understanding.

Oooh. Two days away from the forums, and I missed out on quite a bit.

Anyhoo...

Thank you Ms. Ianinna Fallheart for the welcome. I do disagree however, on the issue of Lord Voldemort. I think this will only draw the relationship that is budding between Ron and Hermione even closer to the front. When a common threat is perceived, usually it polarises people together (sorry, i'm talking about social issues here ) I think that in a life threatening situation in the upcoming books, Ron or Hermione will be placed in a situation when they're about to die (i don't they actually will die) and one of them will say the words "By the way, I love you". Nothing like a good old dramatic way to say you love someone in a book.

I will agree with you on Ron. He doesn't seem to be able to get past some boundary that allows him to speak his emotions about Hermione. And gryffin hauz, in the 60s there was a huge movement of revolution for us teens. Bands such as the Beatles are typical of the revolution. And i'm sure things haven't changed in the 5 years of the 00s since the 90s.

Despite her knowledge of teenagers psychology (because she used to teach high schools), Jo Rowling is a product of old time, where teenage lovers were happy just sitting together watching the moon. I don't know how modern she is, but in HP world, holding hands is a rare jewel in a relationship, let alone lip locking or more touching.
On the other hand, cheek kissing is not super shippy in Charles Dickens' books, but somehow now we think it is.
So back to Ron and Hermione. They might be together, but they may not know what to make of it. They may be too uncomfortable to kiss, so they just talk and talk and talk some more. They become frustrated now and then, but nobody wants to go out the boundary, afraid of the other party's humiliation or risking breakup, so just stay in stalemate. The burden is on Ron, because he matured slower than Hermione (in the book written by a woman ), but Hermione was not exactly supportive either. She was as inexperience in love as Ron. She probably read more romantic wizard novels than Ron, but both had no real practice. Thus, the stagnant relationship.

Well hi, i just wanted to say hi and tell everyone thst i totally support R/Hr all they way, And i am sorry if i'm bothering anyone just posting to say hello. Well Goodbye i also think that all of you make really good points!

Thank you so much, Ianinna! and also to Auror001 for the info about the 60's and I would also like to welcome you in the thread! Mrs. Hermione Weasley, I welcome you, too and I like your name...

About Voldemort, I agree with both Ianinna and Auror001 because you both have your points. Auror is right. This will make them closer, like what I've said about Harry. And the "By the way, I love you". thing.... I love it! This is usually happening in a romantic scenes. I know, you'll hate me with this but I think Ron will die in any of the next books... . Blame it to those who are publishing the clues about the next death...

On the other hand, in Ianinna's side, Ron and Hermione's time will be divided. Maybe, the trio will be members now of the Orders and they'll be assigning them in different things. But if the Orders are not thick enough, maybe they could make Ron and Hermione work together...

Well, amyrat, about the fight the boys had in GoF, Ron is the one to say sorry because he is the one who got mad, thinking Harry had entered without telling him, so that's not out of maturity, it is logical that he's the one to say sorry.
However, I do agree that Ron is more mature than Harry. Harry simply lives stressed, and he doesn't have time to cope with maturity, he just doesn't have time to take in everything that's happening to him.

And since this is a bit off-topic, I still don't think they're a couple, I just think Harry has so many things to do that they don't have as much time to spend together the 3 of them. And definetly they're not a couple in GoF becuase... "Hermione, Neville's right, you are a girl"
He hadn't even realized until then!! And obviouly there's Krum there with Hermione, so...

Oh, hello, Mrs. *ahem* Hermione *ahem* Weasley!

(I just love the name. It's the ultimate in R/Hr shippyness. )

Come on, tell us what you think about R/Hr. Are they actually together? Or are they not? Why, or why not?

We would all love to have some input from everyone.

Auror, dear, good analysis. For someone without an opinion (such as myself), I am beginning to see how this actually works for them.

I am off to do some serious shipping research, and prepare for school in June. Keep the thread going. I'll be back before you know it. (Can't stay away. I'll miss you all so much.)

*hugs everyone*

Hello, Hallia! Well, about that they're not a couple in GoF, yes, they're not yet... . This is time where Ron saw the light.

Oh, Ianinna, I'll miss you! But then, I also have to prepare for school this coming June 13... my first day in my second year college life...

Hi all,
Glad to see many good postings.
Ah, Iannina, please don't go too long!

Mrs. Hermione Weasley, thanks for the support. Say hello from all of us for your family.

Thanks for all the Hello's
Thank you all for the complement on the name
I don't think that Ron and Hermione are together yet but I think that they will be very soon. They seem to be like on the verge of getting together. Oh I just can't wait for them to get together!

Muggy what I meant befor about Ron and Hermione being sexy, I didn't mean atractiveness. Though Hermione in my mind was always a girl who was pretty, but had no idea how pretty she was. Like Joey in Dawson's Creek, which Hermione is simalar too. And Ron I pictured as no bad looking but over all average. I meant they're relationship, how it's starting, how it's passionate. And wacthing the moon holding hands is very JK, I mean if Hogwarts were real one fourth of Harry's grade probaly would of already had some fourm of sex...acording to statics. But Jk is differnt, she could make something sexy with no sex. It's a little pharse my sister and I came up with for the X-files, I mean Scully and Muklder's sexual tension lasted 7 years. But stargazing, brushing hands, blushing... I see Ron and Hermione doing that, sexy..no sex.
I also think they're on the verge of getting together, I mean the war, life or death situations are always all intense. I think more than one "I love you" will be said. Harry also to Ron and Hermione, for all they're been through and all they mean to eachother.

I think the word you want to use for sexy is "romantic", because more than that is labeled "sensual" or even "erotic".
I agree that Ron and Hermione, especially Ron, may not up to more than simple romantic gestures. A perfume gift is the most he can think of in OOP. Kissing is not in his wish list yet. Just being together is good enough for him. Why doesn't Ron grow up faster? I believe because he knew Hermione returns his feeling. Thus, Ron felt secure enough not to do anything more (or stupid), and staying with status quo, at least for now, as long as it doesn't ruin their relationship. Hermione did want more (nasty terms and sighs), but decided to wait for the same reason: staying in the relationship. So: they are together, but not quite together yet.

Regardless of being together already or not, the most telling changes is the attitude towards the other. Ron paid more attention to Hermione's idea, instead of directly opposing it (to Harry's annoyance, because now Ron is not always agreeing with Harry anymore). Hermione solicited Ron's opinions in the decision making (appealing etc.). It kind of making each more submissive to the other. To me it's a bit too much on Hermione's character, because she is more intelligent than Ron. Seeing her asking Ron's opinion is unusual, unless it actually reveals what has been hidden so far: Ron is much more resourceful than what he shows Harry or is portrayed by Harry. Hermione saw the real Ron, not Ron as we see from Harry's perspective, and she is willing to trust Ron's judgement on behalf of the two of them (Grawp, hushing, etc.)
We know that Ron always told Harry the bad things he did in exams, tests or prefect duties. Is Ron that bad?
I don't think so.
We understand that Ron is not a clumsy or lousy student. Academically he could be the best male in Gryffindor (whereas Hermione is the best female and the best of all Houses). That's why he was the next in line for Prefect position, after Harry. Harry being a Triwizard Champion supposed to be a shoo-in, despite being an average student, and according to his own account, only good in Quidditch and not better than Ron academically (Harry didn't say he is much worse, but we saw in one course, he got worse grade than Ron). Only Dumbledore's decision prevents Harry to be prefect, which may be a right decision, because Harry's tend-to-break-the-law attitude may not be exemplary for younger students. Ron, on the other hand, tends to obey the rule more. Remember how he quickly pulled his hands, as if being burned, when he almost opened girls' bathroom (Myrtle's bathroom). He has a reflect of following the rules.
I think Ron is just being humble to Harry. He didn't want to make Harry bad, when he did bad things during the exams or tests, so he supplied Harry with his own mistakes. Ron knew Harry's insecurity. Being a loyal friend, he tried not to make Harry feel bad, whenever he didn't do the lesson well. Also Ron knows Harry was disappointed not to be selected as a Prefect. That's why he gave only bad reports on Prefect's Duties, to console Harry. Interestingly, that when she was embarrassed during Prefect Badge Fiasco, Hermione spilled out a bit that Ron did loads of things. Hermione recognized Ron's efforts and deeds, which should qualify him rightfully as a Prefect, if only Harry was not a Triwizard Champion.
For me, this gives some justification that Hermione is submissive to Ron (as Ron is to her, which is more naturally). I remember how Molly, being a great woman she is, quickly went to Arthur, upon hearing Arthur calling her name from another room, and Arthur meekly followed Molly's instruction. The submission is not based on fear, but on mutual respect. Arthur and Molly respect each other, knowing their boundaries and capabilities, so they can serve each other in love.
Thus: being mutually humble to one's partner is a good basis for a solid romantic relationship. This is what emerges as we read through OOP between Ron and Hermione.

All bow to Muggy the wisest of us all!!:). I have to agree, I've thought so many of the things you're posted, it's like reading my own thoughts. Ron is awesome, and I think that he got that prefect bage by more that defalt. Like Harry said, Ron has something Harry doesn't. Which I think is in a word is heart, he showed he was willing to die for Harry at the age of 13, even when he was fighting with Harry, he came to Hermione's aid when Malfoy made her teeth grow. He's insacure, but now that he fought with Harry I think that tension has been settled, verse what some people think that it will come up agian and ruin their friendship.

:Bow to all: I'm unworthy, I'm just a fellow reader.

The most important issue in the romance debate of Harry Potter series is not who Harry or Ron loves. It's who Hermione loves. As most female authors, Jo Rowling leaves the decision on the girl, not the boy. In this thread we support Hermione loves Ron. Whether they are already together or not, is also depending on Hermione's actions.
Since I'm not a girl, I can only interpret based on my observation.
Most of the female posters agree that Ron and Hermione are not together yet, so I have to admit the possibility of the two already being together is not much, unless of course Jo Rowling said otherwise in HBP, for example "we have been together since last year" (not yet in HBP).
My unanswered question is still what is the criteria for "being together"?
To me, in Jo Rowling's universe, being together can simply be indicated by having private time together, just the two of them. Ron and Hermione had that plenty of time in OOP. Aside from one month working together in 12 GP without Harry or adult supervision (Mrs. Weasley seems not to worry leaving Ron and Hermione in a dark bedroom alone in OOP Ch 4), they have private time for prefect duties (also time for Percy and Penelope to develop their romance), and time when Harry was doing detention after detention with Dolores. On the other hand, time for two between Harry and Hermione was scarce and not voluntary. We read that when Ron practiced Quidditch, Hermione prefered to study in her room than with Harry in the library. The conscious avoidance of being alone with Harry is another indication of Hermione's awareness of being together with Ron. Her reply to Ron's unhappiness that she was still in contact with Viktor is a bit telling:
"Can't I have a pen-pal if I..." I wonder what Hermione wanted to say, if Ron didn't cut it with "He doesn't want to be a pen-pal". Would she say "if I am your girlfriend?" or what?
When Hermione dragged Ron above the elbow (to leave Harry and Cho alone), I was thinking that's more like a wife to a husband already.
Oh well, again, I'm not good in understanding the mad things girls do. My sweetie pie never forgets to remind me that everytime she was unhappy with me. So I leave it to you, ladies, to tell me how much do you want to see before judging them to be together.
Cheers,
Muggy
(Hallia, you can call me Muggy)

I agree with Ellen... *a bow for Muggy!*

Hey, i'm new in here, so please be clement if i repeat somethin....
I'd like to add a proof that it's almost impossible R/Hr already being together: If they already had a ship, however public or in secret Ron would have asked hermione immediately for the ball in Gof...and in OoP Jo would have told us...I'm sure !!

Yesterday I finished gof after 6th time reading and I recognized still another scene...do you remember when the trio's sitting in the common room and hermione mentioned she's still in contact with krum?
Ron turns his head round so fast he sprained his neck, i couldn't help start laughing thus loud my mum fell off her chair in the living room...

if all this clues are just jo's tricks...i'll be very disappointed, but actually it's predictable, isn't it? they are made for each other and maybe she let them still mature a bit in hbp and in the 7th having a real relationship...we'll se!!

By the way, i like this idea ron and hermione think they gonna die and admit each other their love, but of course i would't prefere them truly dying...they will be rescued...*twinkling*, but jo mentioned one of the main characters will die? what do you think who?

I am new myself.


But Jo planned all the books already, she might make changes here and there (tiny ones) but i believe she already had it planned out that Ron and Hermione probably will be together. Probably repeating things but it still just seems odd how already the first year Hermione and Harry have a touchy feely thing going, but Ron is scared of her just holding his hand. Though there still growing up. But ever since i began to read the debates i began to fall inlove with this relationship thus hoping it will devolpe to the next level in the 6th book!

Ja, i hope so, too. And Jo already told us somethin about what's coming up...i'm excited! I just don't hope one of them'll dye!!

There's also what the audio book narrator(can't remember his name now) said in an interview the other day, that there is more romance in this one. Love is in the air...
It may not be them, it may be for Harry, but I hope it's because they finally get together!!

Its definitely going to be Ron and Hermione, they started arguing like an old married couple in PS/SS and that continued until GoF giving them time to grow up a bit. Then they finally noticed the feelings they have for each that they didn't know they had in GoF.

In OotP they are more aware of each other and are getting used to their feelings, we shall see if they take it further in HBP...I hope so...

Hiya to those who are new here! I could see that muggy is not here to welcome you...

Anyways, add my hopes with you about Ron and Hermione being together. I've been reading the first five books for the upcoming release of HBP. I'm in GoF, the best book- source of R/Hr evidences (took our devoted fellow R/Hr shippers in typing the evidences... ). And reading again the books will convice you again and again about the two. They're really obvious. The Yule Ball is the best part of R/Hr. I'm hoping for another scene like that in HBP...

*wearing invisibility cloak* I'm not supposed to be online, but I can't help but check on you guys.

Welcome Honeybee, RavenMist and Stina! *hugs you all* Feel free to voice your opinions on R/Hr. We're all open to your ideas.

I won't be here for a while, but Muggy ang GH88 and Amyrat will most likely be here to answer any questions or make any clarifications.

Love to you.


Ianinna

Welcome all new fellow posters and hello again to current posters.
I don't think Harry, Ginny, Ron or Hermione will die, because they will continue the Potter and Weasley family history, something equivalent to living happily ever after.
Regarding holding hands, it's more understandable that you don't feel embarrassed or anything if you don't have any other motives. If you do have romantic feelings, it will produce either shocked or happy reactions. Movies are visual media, so it has to show visually the reactions. Thus, we see awkwardness between Ron and Hermione to indicate more than friendly feeling between them.

Did you see the new picture of Hermione, Harry and Ron from GOF movie? It's a scene when the Dark Mark was casted after Quidditch World Cup. When I looked back to the BBC trailer, I saw what the next scene after the picture: Ron ran off to the right side of the screen and... Hermione ran after Ron, leaving Harry looked confused in the middle of the screen.
It does not precisely follow the book, so I wonder what the significance of the whole scene.

Hiya, fellow posters and shippers!

Is this what you're telling us, muggy?

picture

Well, I had encountered debates with that picture. They're saying that it's a H/Hr moment because Hermione was holding Harry's arms. I zoomed it and she was not holding his arm. What do you guys think?This picture makes me more excited.

Ianinna: You bad girl!!! Why don't you remove your Invisibility Cloak and help us here?!... Anyways, we miss you!

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Nah, I think that she just grabbed whoever was closest, and if you'll remember in the book GoF she was trying to pull Harry away

I agree. And if ever Ron is beside her, she might grabbed him. But if you'll zoom it, she's not really holding his arm.

Anyways, my apologies, zyra, for the picture. I promise never to do that again.

This may have already been covered (way too many posts for me to read!)
When I was into astrology (not anymore so I don't know if I'll get the terminology correct) the sign opposite yours on the zodiac dial was your signs compliment. Meaning perfect match.

We know Hermione's birthday is the end of September (19th I think). Is Ron's birthday in March (specifically before the 22nd which is the cusp)?

I doubt JKR arbitrarily assigned birthdays.

I've read that somewhere in a R/Hr website. I don't know if it was already discussed here but for me, that will count, as a proof that Ron and Hermione is a perfect match.

Anyways, Ron's birthday is March 1(?)

really? where did you red it? oh i'm so excited to the new book guys...

Hello, Mercury! Welcome! That's something to think about. I'll look that up, dear. Maybe something will come up. JKR is one very sneaky person. Cool.

Do you think jo's done it on purpose? i mean all this astrology stuff...whatsoever she's incredible clever, ja, but don't you think we sometimes see more evidences than really existing?
Well, i'm not sure...
By the way, love ya all...

I have been re-reading the OotP today, well if you have noticed in the first few chapters with Harry, Hermione and Ron (i believe when Ron got his prefect badge maybe before) Hermione kept blushing when ever they were talking about Ron. I mean she was saying he would make a good prefect and went red many time throughout this section.
Just my thoughts

and thanks for the welcome

That astrology is interesting but i believe you are reading far too much into this. Yes, i am a R/Hr shipper but i dont think that when they get together it will be all because of their birthdays.

Can i see quotes of Hermione blushing during these scenes you are talking about, Ravenmist?

Hello everyone!!