The other thread was getting huge and with the number of new people we have coming here at the moment, a new thread is needed.

The old thread may be found here - if you have time, it might be worth you briefly flicking through it because there were some excellent theories posted there, particularly from pages 4 or so onwards when the posts got a little lengthier....

Basically, to summarise, the main contenders for the HBP discussed in the old thread were Godric Gryffindor, Peter Pettigrew (there is a separate thread for him), Lupin, Hagrid, Character X, Dean Thomas and a handful of others who received much less support.

The main consensus of opinion seems to centre around Godric Gryffindor, his heir and Lupin although Pettigrew has a lot of support too (but, as I said, he has a separate thread).

So, all new members, please feel free to give your theories...just please state why you think it's whoever you think it is...please don't just post 'I think it's Dean Thomas' or whatever, okay? Thanks.

Okay...carry on!!

Hey. This is the first forum i have participated in, hopefully not my last... All i have to say is that i believe that the HBP is Godric Gryffindor or a relative of his. I recently read a post of someone's (and i apologise to that person for not remebering who they were) that suggested that the Character X might be Godric Gryffindor and that in order to save the wizard world, especially Hogwarts, the Four Founders; Slytherin, HUfflepuff, Ravenclaw and ofcourse Gryffindor would be summond back to help defeat Lord Voldemort.... or something.... perhaps it might have something to do with what Dumbledore says in regards to his departure in the Chamber of Secrets 'As long as people are loyal to me...i'm not really gone' (or something along those lines. i dont have my copy of the book with me)
And if that does happen....then i bet that there will once again be conflict between the four founders, especially slytherin v gryffindor. And that Slytherin mocks Gryfindor by calling him the HBP because the HBP does not have to be HB, he could just be their leader type person.
That might be a little off topic, but i just wanted to get some of my thoughts out of my head.

There is no way that Godric Gryfindor is the HBP in the 6th book. If he is still alive he would be centeries old and to be that old you have to have the soreccerors stone. Maybe one of his realitives but we dont know of any record of his family (yet)

I think that Godric is the HBP, and that the four founders will return. For people who have been dead for centuries, they are still talked about quite a bit...especially by the sorting hat... I think that their spirits/souls will return...and that would perhaps solve the problem of their age... but then again this is a magical world, so anything could happen.....

Also after considering the statements that JKR made in regards to the sixth book being conected wiht the Chamber of Secrets, it seems obvious that there will definetly be more of the four founders in this book...

ohh...i just had a brainwave...i apologise if this is slightly off-topic, but what if they dont return but Harry witnesses through the Pensieve, the events that took place during their time.... especially the fights and breaking of the four founders.... I mean obviously harry looks through a pensieve (it's on the cover)... And i know that pensieve's are personal and can only show information that you have placed in their from your own experiences....but what if Harry finds one of the Four FOunders pensives????? Perhaps Salazar Slytherin's... Like in the Chamber of Secrets....
JKR did say that that is the one room that she would most like to visit again in an interview....

So my theory that Godric Gryffindor is kinda emphasised again...kind of...

Remember that nothing can bring back the dead. The pensive of the 4 founders is very unlikely to still be intact. If something does happen the the CoS, i think it will be another Harry and Voldermort showdown. As of any of them coming back, I don't think so but it would be a huge surprise to me and it would be very cool!

That's an interesting theory though...What if the HBP is just a person from a pensieve, whos long gone? Most people assume that it's somebody today, but it could very well be some one whos died, and we're looking at somebodys memory of them. Sort of a weird theory, but any thoughts?

AS for me...

My hunches are if the HBP is not a new character then it could be either Godric Gryffindor or Salazar slytherin.
Yes - they won't come back to life but remember the cover wherein dumbledore and Harry were looking into this to-me-what looks like is a pensieve?
WEll... i think its a different pensieve AND i think it shows the events during Godric's time with the other founders. I mean, there's got to be a reason why slytherin hates muggle borns so much right (if salazar's heir is really tom riddle who's also a muggle born). Maybe Salazar sytherin was also a muggle born.
But i think, even now, Gryffindor and Slytherin are not-so-friendly with each other. MAYBE Godric was a muggle born and that could be why Salazar despises muggle borns so much. (Sorry, I'm just taping the pieces of fragments in my head all together).
remember the character x? He looked like a lion etc. etc., maybe that was when Harry was looking in the memories of Godric/slytherin. i mean, Gryffindor's symbol IS a lion after all so i think character X is Godric.
For me, the half blood prince is either Godric gryffindor or Slytherin. But my vibes are stronger with Godric.

I don't think that it is one of the 4 founders pensieve. There is no evidence that i know of that says that it has to do with the founders. JKR said that it had to do with the CoS, but look who used it last, Tom. And look at who fought down there, Harry and Tom (and of course the Basalisk) I believe that it if it is a pensieve, that it is Voldermorts because with what was going on around him he couldn't have all of those thoughts in his head he had to put them somewhere. No one found a pensieve but know one knew where the CoS to check there.

The pensieve thing is the best idea ive heard in a while!

and remember, on the front of the US cover the object looks like a pensieve.... hmm

You Know... Ive been thinking of something else. Maybe Godric Gryffindor is the HBP, But hes alive and well. To have done this, he would must have made himself eternal. Ring any bells?

Fawkes.

A creature that can renew itself.
The bird that brought Gryffindors sword in the CoS.

And by the way, it has an Order named after it.


What do you guys think?

You know I've been jumping back and forth on weather Godric is still alive and I'm leaning towards the no side. If he is still alive don't you think he would have made an appearence within all those years? He would have met with DD to talk about how to take down Voldermort or do something for the cause.

I highly doubt he's still alive. I'm warming up to the theory that the HBP is just from someones memory. It could be Godric Gryffindor, that would be interesting, but for some reason I think this is DD pensieve and not one of the founders...

I'm also starting to think that this person is linked to why LV survived. Don't ask. Just a random theory.

Anyway, the HBP isn't someone who necesarilly needs to be alive. He could really be just a piece of the past or someone from a stored memory.

Yeah, the UK adult version has an old book on the cover, but in peeling leters, gold I think, it says "Advanced Potions" I don't think that it has too much to do with the plot, maybe just an indication that Harry will pass his Potions OWL. It's a good theory, though. I'm coming round to the idea that the group on the American edition is in the CoS. There is only one problem: Aren't there houses in the background, sort of looming? We must accept that it is a cover, and does not necessarily show one scene, like the others did. They just showed general things, except for OotP, which shows Harry meeting the Advance Guard. And those houses could very well be something that Harry is seeing in the Pensieve. If these houses are in the pensieve or simply something else other than the main scene, then I fully support the CoS. If they are not, we need to look elsewhere.

I do not think that it is Dumbledores Pensieve. Art or not, I doubt that it varies so as to change the immediate surroundings. Dumbledores pensieve is not on a column, as this one is. However, if this is Dumbledores Pensieve, then we need to ask ourselves why it is on a column? And why are Dumbledore and Harry elevated above the rest? So many questions....and not a single answer until July 16th. Sometimes being addicted is not a good thing.

Anyway, sorry for the rather long off topic rabbit trail.

When I first heard the theories about one of the Founders being the HBP, I dismissed it. Wizards or no, magic or not, they cannot be raised from the dead. But it could be someone from History, that Harry meets in the Pensieve. I rather like this theory, it plays well with what we know and can deduce, and fits the cover nicely. I don't think that the HBP is any of the characters that we already know, it just doesn't make sense to suddenly bring a background character to the foreground so much. I know it kills the fun we all have trying to read JKR's mind, but thats what I think. My vote is a new, still alive character whom we know nothing about, Or the dead memory of Godric Gryffindor.

But the UK adult versions have ALWAYS related to the title for example:

SS: a red stone

COS: I think it's these snakes around an arch or something (But it's the entrance to the chamber)

PoA: I forget what this one is, but I think it's a picture of Azkaban Prision.

Gof: A goblet with fire I think

OotP: A pheonix

Unless they're doing a different pattern, then the picture (of the old peeling book) HAS to relate to the HBP somehow. SO, that book may have been the HBP's book, or it might've been by the HBP, or the HBP is the new potions teacher and snape had finally been accepted to be the DADA teacher. Whatever it is, if it follows the pattern then it must be DIRECTLY related to the title.

(I'm not sure if this is considered to be in the wrong thread. If it is, ask me to and I'll move it)

Okay come on guys, work with us mods now.

This thread is for discussing WHO or WHAT the HBP could possibly be. And that's it.

There are separate threads pinned to this forum for discussing the US and UK cover, the HBP New Chapter Clues and Character X.

It couldn't be simpler and more straightforward.

So PLEASE, can we stay on-topic now?

If I see anymore posts that more than half of it is off-topic, I'm going to just delete it. It makes no difference when you go "sorry that was completely off-topic, back on topic..." because that obviously means that you knew/realized it but you still posted it anyway.

I don't want to be a nag honestly, but is this asking off too much?

Wait a sec, about the theory about Lupin being the HBP --- Uhm... Isn't Lupin a werewolf? I'm just wondering... Is a werewolf actually a half-blood?

Werewolf \Were"wolf`\, n.; pl.A person transformed into a wolf in form and appetite, either temporarily or permanently, whether by supernatural influences, by witchcraft, or voluntarily; a lycanthrope.

WEREWOLF, n. A wolf that was once, or is sometimes, a man. All
werewolves are of evil disposition, having assumed a bestial form to
gratify a beastial appetite, but some, transformed by sorcery, are as
humane and is consistent with an acquired taste for human flesh.

I'm just wondering because I don't think werewolves are half-bloods so I don't think Lupic could be the HBP... but of course, i can be wrong with this theory.

I always thought that werewolves were humans with an unreversible curse. I don't think that werewolves are half-bloods because they are not born like that, they are bitten later in life. I don't think that Lupin is the HBP, but we don't know that he isn't half-blood when he was born.

Idea! Well in another thread, there was mention of GG as being a lion and a lion is the king of animals. King... not Prince So from that we can infer that GG is not the HBP.. But at the same time we can guess that someone close to GG is the HBP, and since Harry is practically GG's heir, maybe it's someone related to Harry. I mean JKR said we would learn more about his parents... I dunno..

oh whoops. I seriously I thought I was in the US cover theory, and that it was off topic because I was talking about UK. Sorry about that. I'll have to read the names more carefully....

Just to let y'all know that there happens to be a separate thread for discussing Lupin as the HBP and it's here.

Ah...that's my fault....yeah, Lupin does have a separate thread and I should have mentioned it in the first post. Sorry about that....It's just that all the discussions were moved here and the intention was originally to close the other thread, but we eventually decided not to do that seeing as how Lupin had so much support and the other thread had a lot of good posts there....

My fault...I accept full blame....**kicks self** Sorry....

Oh you're getting me wrong there, mate. I wasn't in the slightest pointing the finger at you - that's to both embraced_soul and Dana. I just thought it'd be helpful, since you guys were getting into quite a discussion about Lupin, to let y'all know that there is a separate thread discussing Lupin especially as the HBP.

Oh. okay then. thanks for the info.

Well back on topic...lol....i think JKR mentioned that Harry wasn't the HBP. You do have a good point though Rojaneer, a lion is KING of the jungle and princes are the HEIRS to the king. If this is true then the HBP is undoubtily related to GG

yup, it's a great theory! Good job Rojaneer. I'm now a firm believer.

hey .. i have a theory
i ghaven't really entirely thought it out to the very last detail but its just and idea
on the cover of book 6 there is a pensive or what is assumed to be a pensive.
and not many people know what they are looking into it for...
soooo... i was thinking, i read something on this site that said it was cofirmed that in this book harry would have to learn to master his feelings or something.. well do't pensives make you remember things..
maybe Harry was looking into the pensive and reviewing the good and the very sad times with serius and is practising to try and master his emotions or control them or something

just a thought
let me know what you think

omg woops
Sorry i just read the top how you're not suppose to talk about the cover cause its the wrong thread..
sorry!!!

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Hmm... I think I was the one who posted that Lion being the king in the other thread of character X but boy was I going off-topic! (Hehe - actually I was scolded by a mod and was told to transfer it here but I forgot to) and so... Like I've said before... my theory is that the HBP is either GG or SS. BUT even though all the clues such as Lion - king (even if it came from me -hehe), we shouldn't narrow it down to GG and his descendants only. I mean, who knows? MAybe it's someone we totally don't expect? nevertheless, I fully hope that Gryffindor or one of his heirs is the hBP.

If the Lion King theroy is correct then the HBP has to be related to GG and not SS. Slytherin's symbol has a snake and has nothing to do with being king where as Griffendor's symbol is a lion, KING of the jungle. I think that "KING" theroy was the best idea i've heard yet.

I like the theory about the Lion King. It does make sense. the question now is: who is the heir of GG?? Is it someone related to Harry?? Maybe thsi should go somewhere else but... what about one of Lily's parents being a Squib, and that making Petunia the heir of GG?? Although that would also make Harry the heir of GG...
Well, I don't know. It's late at night and my eyes are kind of closing themselves against my will... My brain isn't that awake either...

Okay then. Moving on...

Gryffindor's symbol is a lion. The Lion is the king of the animals. So if the HBP isn't Godric himself then it HAS to be his heir or ONE of his descendants.

I mean, that's just the closest thing to it.

What do you think?

oh yes, yes! I love that theory. It makes perfect sense.

Think about it: Gryffindor symbol was the lion. The character X was described looking like a lion. The lion is the KING of the jungle. GG is sorta like the king of Gryffindor. So then the heir of Gryffindor could be the prince, and it could be a half blood! It's so perfect. It all works: The half Blood prince.

Woohoo, I'm convinced!

Sounds good to me. So, kipsy, you mean character X is the heir of Gryffindor, and therefore the HBP?? Do we know ig Gryffindor was a half-blood? Well, maybeit doesn't matter that much since it was over a thousand years ago, his descendadnts could perfectly have married muggles. Sounds OK to me

Hi! I'm new here. i just wanted to ask: do you really think that halfblood means necessarily "half muggle"? Honestly i think one of the possible characters for the part of the HBP is Hagrid. He's an halfblood, right? He's half giant (and half wizard too as he was expelled). He's an important character in the CoS, 'cause everyone thought it was his fault. This is just my opinion anyway
I'm sorry for my English, i'm from Italy and I just wanted to join the forum

just give me some time to translate the "whole thing" ok? you talked about a Godric's heir...it's a good idea but i don't think he's got a heir or there should be Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff's too

So i think that we would be known who HBP in book 6. Why are we discussing that? He would be new hero, isnt he?

Somehow i feel that the Half Blood Prince could be related someway or the other with Slytherin. If you carefully see all the book covers (othe than the adult version) you'll notice that all of them have one color in common: [/B]GREEN
and everyone knows that Slytherin's color is GREEN and SILVER.
Then one might say how can he a half blood if he is in slytherin???
If one reads the second book The Chamber Of Secrets one will find TOM MARVOLO RIDDLE (otherwise known as Lord Voldermont ) to be a half blood. In the first book harry was nearly put in Slytherin even though we all know he is a half blood.
Then the chapter "DROCO'S DETOUR" also might have sime connection with the HBP.
The HBP need not be a Gryffindor or Slytherin

Cheers

In the second book we all come to know to a bit about Lord Voldermont's past from TOM MARVOLO RIDDLE.
Riddle nearly came back to life from his old diary.

If Riddle a sixteen year old student at that time could perform such a complex spell on that diary then surely Godric Gryffindor could have performed it with utmost ease. Or else it could be anyone with enough knowledge and skill.

Cheers

Sorry but I'm not convinced. Where exactly is the link? Now, here's the question...some of you may think it's stupid but, just answer ok? Have you ever thought that JK Rowling wrote "Halfblood PRINCE" but it should be "Halfblood PRINCESS"? I just wanna know what you think about this...Anyway aqua ex who could have all the skills you talked about?

Having read many theories, I think I'd have to agree with the majority in claiming that the Half-Blood Prince is Godric Gryffindor, and that Harry could have seen him through the Penseive. There are two reasons for why I think Gryffindor is the most viable candidate: 1) the HBP would have to be someone from the 2nd book, because, as many people have said already, Rowling has said that the Chamber of Secrets was originally going to have the title HBP 2) the description Rowling has of "character X" is definetaly something that would fit Gryffindor perfectly. I mean, if you had to choose a character to describe as resembling a lion, it would be Gryffindor. After all, it's his mascot, or that of his house rather.

It's Prince not Princess so more than likely it will be a boy. Why would JKR want to title it "Prince" if it was a girl? That answers your question McClagan.

I knew it already secretkeeper i just wanted to know what you'd think about a halfblood princess...anyway forget my question

Did anyone of you notice that JK talking anout Neville said :
"[...]Neville, the boy who was so nearly King?[...]"

Don't you think it's a bit strange hearing Neville was nearlyKing?
Why didn't she said the Chosen One as she did later? Please explain me...

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I was going to say the same thing as McClagan. I read the update on jkrowling.com and thought that Neville was the Half-Blood Prince.

My other theory, if I am correct, was shot down my JKR on her site when she said there would be no time-traveling son (though, she used it in a different context). Did anyone else have this same theory?

Oh, c'mon guys.... like I said in the edit in McClaggan's post, this is off-topic.

Please continue yout discussion here. We'd love to hear your feedback, but please make it in the right topic, okay...

Thank you.

Now back to HBP, please...

I belive Dumbledore is the half-blood prince and the Item that Harry found in the chamber is the Sword of Godric Griffindor, I think that Dumbledore must be a half
Blood relative to Griffindor that’s why he is called the half blood prince. That is why the death eaters call him the defender/lover of muggles and mudbloods.

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Posted on May 21 2005, 01:23 AM
Another thing that I have been thinking about is in GoF when Voldemort's wand is forced to redo prior spells,
How come it skips from the one lady(Bertha?) to Lilly Potter? Where is the spell that attacked Harry?
Does that mean that the spell that attacked Harry somehow
resulted in his mothers death? The books do say she sacrifices herself.
Any Ideas?

[FONT=Arial]Hi! Newbie here-interesting thread. Here's my contribution.
Theory: I think the HBP is:
(a) a descendant of Godric Gryffindor
(b) a half blood himself (1/2 muggle, 1/2 wizard)
(c ) & may possibly be the next DADA professor.
Just as Voldemort could be considered the King or Prince of pure bloods as Slytherin's descendant, the Yang to his Ying would most likely be someone who champions the cause of half bloods. COS confirmed the original 'champion' was Godric Gryffindor, & it makes sense to pit his descendant against Slytherin's descendant.
In the books half blood has always referred to someone like Seamus-1/2 muggle-1/2 witch & someone like Hagrid as a half breed. This leads me to believe the HBP is a person of mixed magical abilities of one race/breed.
If I remember correctly, JK R. stated the HBP is a new character & is not Dumbledore. So, new & half blood exclude Ron, Seamus, Neville, the whole Weasley clan, etc. I think it would be very clever to introduce one character as both the DADA professor & the HBP.

Question: What role is the HBP supposed to play? Does this person know they are the HBP? Do others know? Does Voldemort know or care?

I thank you all in advance for reading my post & I hope it's added to the thread. Bye now.

I read OoTP last night and by the point Grawp were attacked bu the Centaures, I wondered wether Grawp could be the HBP? anybody thought of that before?
He's a half-blood, right? and J.K Rowling says we will get to know Grawp more and that he will become important.

Any thought's?