secretkeeper
Jun 26 2005, 12:24 AM
ImtheHBP, it isn't Harry's choice to pick the DADA teacher its DD and he can't make everyone happy at the same time. I'm sticking to Snape not the DADA. I guess Snape could teach others if he wanted to but I doubt it. Yes i believe that DD will have a more active role in the students at Hogwarts this year but if he does teach the students spells and charms, it won't be JUST Harry, Ron, and Hermione but perhaps the ones where were loyal to him in the OotP but thats a different subject.
Luke_57
Jun 27 2005, 03:43 AM
i thought DD said that teaching DADA would bring out the worst in Snape...did anyone else hear that?
Dumbledores nephew
Jun 27 2005, 04:56 PM
No dumbledore didnt say that someone said he did though. I think whoever said dumbledore wont let snape teach because they voldemort would know snape is a traitor is right.
sara324
Jun 27 2005, 11:03 PM
He hasn't been the teacher for the past 5 books and most likely wont be the one now. I think the new teacher will be the once described in the lion excert or whatever that was. Snape shouldn't fall into the one year curse and Dumbledore doesn't want to risk him being gone.
Hermione_Resilda
Jun 27 2005, 11:12 PM
It should belong to Snape, since he's actually willing to become the new DADA. I wonder why he didn't get it in the fifth book. Someone said that no one wanted the job, so the Ministry put in someone of their own. Snape always applies, so why didn't he get it? Anyway, I don't think that he'll be the next one because it's obvious he knows more about Potions. Even though DADA is his passion, Dumbledore needs one of best people to provide him with potions because of the war, I guess..
Dumbledores nephew
Jun 27 2005, 11:13 PM
Im with the theory on the new character is the DADA teacher because as you see evrey year they have had a new teacher. And i still say my theory that dumbledore wanted harry to learn something new each year is partly correct atleast
IntoTheWoods
Jun 27 2005, 11:21 PM
| QUOTE |
| He hasn't been the teacher for the past 5 books and most likely wont be the one now. I think the new teacher will be the once described in the lion excert or whatever that was. |
This is somewhat along the lines of what I was thinking. I find that although Dumbledore trusts Snape, there has to be a reason why he hasn't given him the DADA job if he wants it so badly and is obviously qualified. Perhaps we will find out more about this?
I don't think that the members of the Order could really afford to be at the school right now...they all have jobs that they need to do, and although the DADA is especially important right now, I think Dumbledore could probably find someone qualified who doesn't have as much on their plate as the Order Members do.
Ack, so, to finally get to my point- I don't see why Character X shouldn't be the new DADA teacher. Someone in this thread (not sure who sorry sorry sorry) mentioned that JK Rowling hasn't revealed any of the DADA beforehand...which kind of contradicts my point. But I think the best move on JK Rowling's part would be to add a new character. It wouldn't be a very interesting twist, seeing as it's what she's done in the last five books, but it also wouldn't add any bad surprises.
El Verte Veritas
Jun 27 2005, 11:54 PM
If Dumbledore is willing to have Snape teach Harry occlumency, then why not let him teach DADA? I think this will happen in the last book, but I'm almost positive it will happen in one of them.
Alaule
Jun 28 2005, 01:54 AM
I can see why Dumbledore thought Snape teaching DADA wouldbring out the worst in him. Remember when he was a sub for Lupin, and he tried to make someone realize that Lupin was a werewolf? Maybe he thought Lupin would be fired when there was a complaint from somebody, and he would get the job. That was pretty bad, getting someone who really had a hard time finding a job fired, when they had just found one. And I've been wondering why exactly Snape wants the job so much.
As for the pattern of teachers teaching Harry things... Quirrel taught him that sometimes the one who seems weak can be a danger... Lockhart taught him not to mess with pixies when you don't know how to deal with them... Lupin taught him how to fight dementors, and Moody taught him the Unforgivable Curses. Don't forget that DD didn't choose Umbridge, the MOM did.
Dumbledores nephew
Jun 28 2005, 11:01 AM
| QUOTE (El Verte Veritas @ Jun 27 2005, 05:54 PM) |
If Dumbledore is willing to have Snape teach Harry occlumency, then why not let him teach DADA? I think this will happen in the last book, but I'm almost positive it will happen in one of them.
|
Well In compliant to my theory i have the answer. If Dumbledore Had snape teaching DADA then Voldemort would think he a tratior by teaching them to defend them selves against him. But Oculmency (something like that) is something private between harry and snape. Only people in the Order know about it. Like the night malfoy came into the room to say he found montegue in the toilet, they had to cover it up especially since malfoy's father is who he is. And besides snape has mastered occulmency, He could lie to voldemort if he asked him if anything like this was happening, Teaching the DADA would be big news and he would hear about it fast.
And like alaule said how it would bring the worst out in snape when he had them study animaguses and warewolfs to notify people that lupin was a warewolf, and sirius was an animagus.
El Verte Veritas
Jun 28 2005, 07:33 PM
Of Course I agree with your theorie I just did't happen to look at it beofre I posted. Probably should of though huh? The only problem with your theorie is that I can't see how Voldemort would be any happier having Snape teach potions. Plus we have three for the next books. Fleur is coming back, one of the students and Snape is coming. So Snape either teaches potions, or one of those. Maybe Fleur/Student for the last two? I hope not.....
Dumbledores nephew
Jun 28 2005, 09:46 PM
Fleur is coming back? What do you mean we have 3 for the nex book? But snape teaching potions wouldnt be anything like defense against the dark arts. Potions is just another subject like transfiguration. Its just in "Defense" against teh dark arts would he be teaching students how to defend themselves against voldemort. wouldnt you be unhappy if one of your death eaters were teaching people how to defend themselves against you. I'd have them killed immidietly. Then who would dumbledore have spy on him?
El Verte Veritas
Jun 29 2005, 12:23 AM
She said in the fourth book she planned to teach at Hogwarts. Then the three teachers I mean for the next book. We have Fleur who said she'd come back. Then we have Snape. Then Rowling said that one of the students will end up teaching. This is what I think will hapen. Snape will teach Potions from now on. In the sixth book Fleur will teach. Then in the last book Harry willl teach DADA. This is because Fleur will have to leave since she is Veela. YOu know how the whole half blood thing goes in the magic world. Sorry if I offended you. but reaember too that potions are important to Aurors also. I think Voldy would be mad no matter what Snape taught. So maybe he thinks Snape does something else for a living...
Loonyloopylupin
Jun 29 2005, 12:35 AM
No im sorry I really doubt Fleur is going to be the DADA teacher. She wasnt even good at DADA she couldnt even get rid of grindilows... Remember in the lake during the second task? It cant be Fleur
My question is why would JK have harry dream of becomming a Urior if it is impossible for him to achieve? That idea is a big part of GoF and Ootp. I really think the new teacher is going to take potions... making snape the DADA teacher. This sets up perfectly for my next idea that in the seventh book Harry will be the DADA teacher... Snape is going to be killed... maybe not for teaching DADA... because he is also teaching students that may become Death eaters "the slitheren's" Voldimort may not like him teaching it but voldimort may notice that Snape has always wanted to be the DADA teacher... I really think that snape is going to die in this book regardless if he is the DADA teacher or not...
He may be a spy... but eventually Voldimort will notice the information leak. Just like DD did when Peter betrayed his parents.
This is a little off topic but I think Snape will die saveing Harry in some way
Hermione_Resilda
Jun 29 2005, 12:42 AM
It's not really impossible for him to become an Auror while Snape's teaching him. You're theory is probable, and I think something like that is going to happen in the seventh book. As for Fleur becoming the new DADA...probably not. She could take over something like History of Magic.
Dumbledores nephew
Jun 29 2005, 01:04 AM
Well even if voldemort would be mad that snape taught potions he would already know because you know Draco tells his father evreything that happens at school. Fleur coming back im all for that, but teaching DADA come on.
ashleigh07
Jun 29 2005, 05:19 AM
Right, y'all are veering off-topic. This thread is meant to be for discussing Snape as the new DADA teacher, no one else.
And just for those of youse who don't know, there is a thread about the possibility of Harry becoming an Auror
here.
Bakc on topic, folks!!
potterfreek123
Jun 30 2005, 04:02 PM
I have to say these are all very good theories and may well be true. But I read somewhere, (can't remember exactly), that it was said by someone that Snape could not be the new DADA because it might tempt him. By "tempt", Imean he is so fascinated by the dark arts that he may go against the dark arts. Dumbledore said (now i remember where I read this) that he didnt pu Professor Snape in the DADA position because he feared that it would "bring out the worst in Professor Snape". This thought has always stuck with me because as we know, DD has all of these silver instruments in his office that must tell him something (like on the night of Mr. Weasley's attack in OOTP). So I would have to say no that I don't believe Professor Snape will ever get the job and it will be a completely new person, perhaps the Character "X".
Hermione_Resilda
Jun 30 2005, 04:08 PM
Possibly...I could understand that DADA could bring out the worst in him because he might even teach the students dark magic..
As for his silver instruments, I always thought that they meant that he could see what was happening to someone...that he had an instrument for most everyone he cared for so he could look out for them.
El Verte Veritas
Jun 30 2005, 04:29 PM
I just had a stroke of genius! Which is good bbecuase my last suggestion in this topic was that Fleur would teach DADA. Wasn't thinking it through. But now I am.
Okay next year Snape will take the DADA post, but in the end of the book will be killed protecting Harry's life somehow.
Then Fleur Delacour will take the Potions place and since Harry saved her sisters life, she will accept him for potions even if he wasn't completely qualified according to Snape. Thas how Harry will become an Auror.
THen in the last book since Snape dies, I think Neville will take Snapes place. I know this sounds tupid but I think he'll be really driven becuase of his parents. And everyone saw how Neville handled the boggart and the spell that only Hermione could do better in the D.A and there were seventh years in there. And thinking it through now I remember Rowling aying that Harry saw too much action to be a teacher. So it couldn't be him.
P.S. - I know you think this is off-topic but I really think that solving who will be the next teachers helps us find who the teachers will now be ,and Snape is definitely a possibility. Plus I had to have a chance to redeem my self. Fleur as the new DADA teacher, what was I
thinking?
potterfreek123
Jun 30 2005, 10:13 PM
I like your theory, Hermione_Resilda, about DD having an instrument for each of the people he loves. It does kind of make sense now that you put it that way. I still think that he wouldn't put Snape in as DADA because he's already had that chance to and he didn't. If anything, now is an even worst time to put Snape in as DADA teacher. If he thought that Snape could handle the job, then he would have given him the job in OOTP.
thegirlswholovelupin
Jul 1 2005, 12:56 AM
Snape should be the new DADA because he would cause more issues for Harry and control what is learned in the class. He could teach what they should know or what they might not need and help Voldermort.
Marko Potter
Jul 3 2005, 09:56 PM
I think he will be. Dont know why, but I think he will be the new DADA proffesor. The new professor of Potions will be someone new (the covers of British Adult version)...Maybe the HBP!
Kingsley
Jul 3 2005, 10:45 PM
Ok I really don't think Snape will be DADA teacher. The reason why is that Dumbledore has his "reasons" for Snape not getting the spot before, so why is he going to all of a sudden just going to let him have it. I for one think the new DADA teacher will be someone new possibly the Half Blood Prince.[I]
Mavenous_22
Jul 4 2005, 07:29 AM
Well, whoever the DADA teacher is I'm willing to bet they're the turn coat. Quirriel in book 1 and Moody in Book 4 (Both teachers) and in books 2 and 5 everything goes wrong for Harry and in Book 3 and probably 6 everything will get a bit better for him before something bad. If Snape is the DADA teacher in book seven then Ron may be right in saying that he was the bad guy and IF Dumbledore dies in the 6th book like I think will happen then Snape has no one to fear.
Dumbledores nephew
Jul 4 2005, 11:37 PM
Ok that makes alot of since i agree with that one right there. It also fits into my theory nicely so i like it even more. I just dont want dumbledore to die, and snape is scared of voldemort is he not?
lemon604
Jul 5 2005, 12:59 AM
I think the new DADA teacher will not be Snivellus. THe pattern would stay the same throughout the books and Snape's application would be denied once again. I personally think the new DADA teacher would be the new character described in the HBP excerpt found on Rowling's website that is displayed on
this website.
potterfreek123
Jul 5 2005, 01:05 AM
I still can't see DD allowing Snape to take the job. I mean, DD has refused him the position for four or more years now (who knows how many times before Harry came to school) and I don't think it likely that he will let Snape have the job this time. I do agree with DD on the fact that I think it will/would bring out the worst in Snape. Remember what Sirius/Lupin said about Snape knowing more about the DA than most of the seventh years. Since he has grown up in that lifestyle, then taking the job as DADA would probably make Snape turn bad/evil. Iknow everyone here thinks that it would be good because he does have so much experience with the DA, but he might get a little carried away with it. I mean, who needs an evil, powerful Draco on the loose? Someone in the Order tends to be better for the job... Who knows, Snape may not even come back to the school next year because he is a sorta kinda double traitor type thingyso whos to say Voldemort won't have him at his side?

I agree with lemon on the part about the pattern...
Dumbledores nephew
Jul 5 2005, 01:37 AM
I dont think snape will be DA teacher either, but i think since dumbledore will have harry to learn some extra stuff from snape besides occulmency.But when dumbledore heard the prophecy he started planning harry's life and hogwarts and at home immidietly so i think thats y he hired snape and trelawney because he new he would need them both and that voldemort musnt get to them so where would he put them, Hogwarts. He'd probally let trelawney teach before snape because the fact that it would bring the worst out in him and that voldemort would think him a traitor for teaching others how to defend themselves against him.[COLOR=blue]
potterfreek123
Jul 5 2005, 01:46 AM
I completely agree with you, dumbledore's nephew. I do think DD has been planning Harry's life since that awful night. I also think that DD would let Trelawney teach DADA before Snape too.
darkflux
Jul 5 2005, 08:25 AM
Unless something changes dumbledore will not give the job to snape, he fears it will bring out the worst in him, what ever that means.
HP.sauce
Jul 5 2005, 09:57 AM
I don't think DD will let snape be the new DADA teacher because of his past as a death eater.
but it would be good because then a new potions teacher could come and leave instead of it always being the DADA teacher.
i think he would make a really good DADA because he really tried to help harry with his dreams and everything.
but i do think that DD is very weary about making him it.
Dumbledores nephew
Jul 5 2005, 05:41 PM
Snape did not help harry with his dreams. If it were his choice he would have choosen someone else, but it was not his choice and dumbledore again had his own reasons. If snape gets DADA then harry has a 60% chance of passing potions. But i think he will get his chance even if snape is still potions teacher. And note like i said before dumbledore hired snape 16 years ago, thats when dumbledore heared the prophecy. so you know dumbledore has been planning this stuff.
Winduu
Jul 6 2005, 02:51 AM
i think Snape is the going to be the teacher becasue when Dumbledore says to him about "Are you ready for what you must do?" or whatever maybe he simply means that snape is going to teach the dada.....maybe dumbledore was saving Snape for the right time.....i say it again like i did somewhere else Snape I think has a lot of power that not many no of.......after all he was a deatheater!!!
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Nibalzer
Jul 6 2005, 10:57 AM
I belive that Dumbeldore will not make Snape the new DADA proffessor. It is widely accepted that Dumbeldore has a "Master Plan" or some such general strategy for defeating Voldemort. He is one of the wisest wizards to have ever lived and he is most deffinately not just sitting on his hands reacting to what Voldemort is doing. I belive that he has kept Snape away from DADA because he knew that at somepoint Voldemort would return and again put forth a bid for power. One of his best aces in the hole so to speak was Snape. When Voldie would return, he would call back all of his former death eaters, including Snape. Voldie would obviously interview all of his followers to see whom among them, if any, had honestly repented to the good side. As a highly skilled ligumens(or whatever you call it, you all know what I'm talking about) Voldemort would be able to know the truth, Snape is an experience Occulmens who had enough power to defend his inner thoughts from the Dark Lord durring the First War so we can assume that he can do it this time as well. But I really am going to make a point here(I promise!)
DD knew as soon as Snape started to work at Hogwarts that at some point Snape would have to infiltrate the Death Eater ranks again. He also knew that if he were to do so, and keep his position at hogwarts, Voldie would have Snape do his best to sabotage the goings on there. If Snape were to be teaching DADA then Voldie would have him be amost ineffective teacher, probably spreading misinformation: such as a 'new way to magicaly block the AK curse,' if he were to spread such propaganda, then the student body would present a greatly reduced threat to Voldie.
Now, obviously Snape, in his double(or is it triple) agentness, would not try to sabotage the teaching processes, but undoubtedly he would have to do so in order to keep up the pretense of working for Voldie. Dumbeldore has a master plan so to speak, and part of it must involve keeping snape from the position of DADA teacher, weather Snape likes it or not. It is also my personal belief that he intentionaly left the position of DADA teacher unfilled durring Harry's fifth year. I think it was a masterful stroke of mental engineering on a grand scale.
Dumbeldore knew that if he let the Ministry appoint a DADA teacher, the ministry would flaut its power uselessly and cause a great ammount of resentment and distrust with the student body. His main purpose throughout OotP was to make the wizarding community belive that Voldemort was back. He could not have predicted the events at the end of the book involving the ministry battle and therefore probably had planned for them not to take place. Think about what would have transpired if the battle hadn't occured: Fudge and the rest of the minisrty would not have been forced to admit that Voldie had returned, BUT the entire population at hogwarts had just gone through 9 months of hating and distrusting everthing that the ministry said or did, because of Umbridge, opening the door for everyone to belive the Dumbeldores side of the story.
Anyways thank you all for listening to my possible incessant Ramblings.
I really can't wait until July 16th.
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Snuffles89
Jul 6 2005, 07:11 PM
I think snape will be made DADA teacher in book 7 as the whole series has been mounting up to it and if he wasnt going to get the position eventually JKR wouldnt have mentioned him being refused so many times in the first place. As for book 6 i think harry will fill the post as he did such a great job in Ootp.What do you guys think?
Dumbledores nephew
Jul 7 2005, 12:10 AM
I think no only because of, While he is teaching DADA they woud have to change school scheuels so that harry can still learn, charms, transfiguration, potions, and history. And jk may not necissarily said it because she was gonna put him a DADA sooner or later.
magic is real!!
Jul 7 2005, 12:20 AM
didnt read all theories. snape cant be defense against the dark arts teacher, who would do potions?
Albus-wan
Jul 7 2005, 08:43 PM
No way will Snape be DADA teacher. He's too valuable as a spy among the DEs.
If Snape taught DADA it might make Voldemort suspicious. Does Voldemort know that Snape knows occlumency? He would be more likely to find out if he taught DADA.
The only way he could teach DADA is if Voldemort thought that he had convinced Snape to become a triple agent and Dumbledore knew that and was convinced he wasn't a triple agent. It's so complicated that it doesn't make sense to even try it. Snape can't be DADA teacher until Voldemort knows that he's on Dumbledore's side for good.
Dumbledores nephew
Jul 7 2005, 09:45 PM
Well i think now that snape is just acting like he wants to be the DADA teacher. He use to but i think the second or third year after dumbledore hired him, he was just using it as a cover up. And I think there is good evidence that snape is on the good side. Why else would dumbledore trust him and the fact that in Harry's first year snape was on quirrels tail about evreything. Why? Because he knew he was acting as a servant to the Tom.
But if snape would have known that He was in the back of his head, he wouldnt have said anything because snape knew one day that he would have to go back and rejoin the ranks as a spy. In the GoF thats why dumbledore said you know what i must ask you to do."
And i think Snape will be hunted by the death eaters because draco will find out that he knows occulmens and tell his father (the little punk bratt). Thats what the chapter Dracos Detour will be about. Thats just my theory and it still fits in with my last so i agree with it.
any questions just ask me, ill be happy to answer.
eye of the snake
Jul 7 2005, 11:27 PM
I totally agree with RENASi Snape cnt be the new DADA teacher, who will teach potions then? And besides just imagine the torture of having to see Snape in more than one class a day, poor children ¡!!!!
N, Ithink it has to be that new character thaa Mc Claggan or something hes going to be the new teacher
Dumbledores nephew
Jul 8 2005, 12:02 AM
I know this has nothing to do with Harry Potter But,
Lets all say a prayer for the people in lodon
HP.sauce
Jul 8 2005, 11:06 AM
i have done several times.
i don't see why snape couldn't be DADA teacher i mean he knows it all and they could always get a new potions teacher.
Dumbledores nephew
Jul 8 2005, 12:05 PM
A good potions teacher is hard to come by. Its harder to find a potions teacher then a DADA because potions is a highly skilledd art and if you dont make precise measurements with ingreidents they can turn deadly. Thats why they call the people who teach potions, Potions Masters.
Piercev3
Jul 8 2005, 05:48 PM
Sounds crazy, but I think the next DADA teacher is going to be non other than HARRY POTTER! I could be wrong but it would fit in with his, "leaving the Dursleys for a much pleasanter reason seeing as he had to get to school and plan his lessons for the school year or something" My girlfriend says I'm crazy and that no student will be teaching. Maybe she's right but it's a thought I had and we'll see if it pans out.
mioneweasley_witch
Jul 8 2005, 06:25 PM
I really don't think he will de the new Dada (lol) in the sixth book but maybe in the seventh. snape has always wanted that job so they might wait untill the last book. Just not the sixth.
HP.sauce
Jul 9 2005, 12:11 PM
i guess you're right dumbledores nephew but even so i'm sure snape can't be the only potions master about.
i really don't think harry will become the new dada, thats just wierd.
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