Most people talk of Hermione's Roll in the upcoming war, and Harry's (obvious) roll, but what about Ron? What do you all think? I have some Ideas of my own, if you guys want to know...

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I think he might sacrifice himself (in battle) to save harry or just to save the cause.

Yes, Ron definitly has the feel of a sacrificial character. I think something is going to have to trigger Harry in a way that only the death of his closest friend can. Sirius' death couldn't do it, it was righteous anger. But at some point he's going to have to actually kill Voldemort. Kill. You need "a powerful bit of magic" behind an Avada Kedavra, and even if Harry doesn't use AK, he's got to ready himself to kill. It's not an easy thing to do. Something is going to have to get him angry enough to want to end Voldemort's life. And if he see's Voldemort kill Ron, I think that just might do it.

As for people who will sacrafice themselves i think that will be nevill and not Ron. I don't think that Ron will die. The way i think that Harry will kill Voldermort is that thing that DD talked about thats worse than death. I don't think Ron is the type of person that would have enough courage to face Voldermort unless Voldermort personally attacked him.

wow i think that ron will end up dieing in the 7th book poor ron.

Don't you all go berserk on me now because I know that J.K. Rowling has often said that these are not 'childrens books,' but there's no getting around the fact that she does have a pretty sizable child audience, and I really think that children remain the target age group. Look at who has been invited to attend the Edinburgh Castle book six release event -- eight- to sixteen-year-olds. She can say that she's not writing with a target age range in mind all she wants, but if you ask me, it would still be a really rotten PR move if she did something in her books (not that she really has to think about PR with the amount of money she's got... but let's just say that she's a genuinely kind-spirited person...) that would give millions of kids worldwide horrible nightmares for months (and that would include me, absolutely). Killing off Ron would be the sort of thing that would qualify. So, based on my logic, Harry, Ron, and Hermione are all going to stay. Don't know if I can say the same for Seamus or Ernie or even my beloved Anthony, but the trio -- to whom everyone is emotionally attached -- will definitely survive.

That aside, I don't really see Ron as a sacrificial character; I have a tendency to think that Dumbledore is the one who will die for Harry, if anyone at all. I'll leave the whole Dumbledore bit for another thread, but about Ron... Did you notice how J.K. Rowling deliberately removed him from the main fight scene in the Department of Mysteries? Yet although Ron did not have Harry, the One who can defeat Voldemort, for 'protection,' he, Ginny, and Luna, of all people (bear in mind that Harry thought that Ginny, Luna, and Neville were not the most suitable D.A. members to help him, Ron, and Hermione rescue Sirius) got away from the Death Eaters with no serious problems (i.e. deaths). This makes me think that Ron is much more of a fighter than he appears at first glance, and we're going to see a few scenes with a lot of good action on Ron's part sometime in the very near future (think July 16th).

The reason why everyone thinks that Ron is going to bite the dust and not Hermione is because Hermione, having her amazing-bordering-on-frightening powers of deduction and having 'proved' herself capable of fighting in the Department of Mysteries battle, seems somehow invincible. Ron, on the other hand, gives the air of a weaker person -- he refuses to stand up to Fred and George about testing their trick sweets on the first years, for crying out loud! How is he supposed to fight off the Death Eaters? He obviously did, however, or else he would have gone Sirius's route by now. It's just that we have a tendency to underestimate him right now because his fight scene was offstage.

Furthermore, I do not think that Ron would have any desire to sacrifice himself, even for Harry. We think of the Weasleys as people who will do anything to make sure that good triumphs over evil -- and perhaps that is true in the case of the adults -- but we certainly haven't seen anything from the kids to show that the good ol' self-preservation instinct wouldn't override those glorious abstract ideals of 'loyalty' at the end of the day. Percy is obviously extremely ambitious; even though Mr. and Mrs. Weasley seem pretty willing to die for the sake of the Order, we'd never see him sacrificing himself for the good of the cause -- well, obviously we wouldn't in "Order of the Phoenix," but that's beside the point. Fred and George have already said that they care more about their dad dying than they care about the "dumb Order" -- and why wouldn't they feel any differently about their own lives? The point is, even if the Weasley adults are these saintly beings who work solely for truth and justice, why should their kids be? We need to get rid of this mental image of Ron as the trusty sidekick who is just there to help out -- and perhaps die for -- Harry.

So I think that Ron's future role in the series is going to have to do with battle -- and I don't think he's got any plans for a sacrificial death.

Anthony I completely agree with you. Most people who read these books are children, although many are adults, there are a lot of kids who read them. I'm 13, started reading them when I was six, If I was anywhere between these two ages, I would have nightmares forever about killing Ron off.
I don't think that Ron will be killed, even though the chess game incident. Don't know why. But if the chess game thing is right, then Dumbledore wouldn't die (because he is the king, if Harry was the king, then why would he choose the place of the bishop). I don't see J.K. killing him off or making him sacrifice himself, but I do think that he'll have a large part in the final battle.

Just a gentle reminder here. Please discuss on Ron's role in future battle and not his future health issues or any other people dying for that matter. That can be done here and here.

Alright, carry on with the topic now!

i think ron will be with harry helping him with his limited skills...and in the end he will endup with hermione....he will not die thats for sure....

I agree on the Dumbledore front; his death will help in paving the road towards Harry's success over Voldemort. However, I do believe that Ron does have it in him to try and sacrifice himself. I have always thought it would be one of those things that is beyond heroic bordering on suicide, and he would do it to save others, possibly Harry in particular, or Hermione. But no, he won't die- he has to stick around to argue and have some red-headed offspring with Hermione non??

I remember reading somewhere that J.K. said that Ron or Hermione wouldn't die in the sixth book because Harry needs them too much. I have no idea about the seventh book though. It's as Anthony said, most readers are kids who want Harry to have a happy life.

i think that ron will probably die. i get the feel that although there is a strong bond of friendship between all of them ron will probably be the first do die. his character is one that he will sacrfice himself and im sure that if he does die then he wiuld love to be remembered as a hero!

I certainly hope Ron will not die. He is so interesting, and I think he is extremely underestimated. I have heard a lot of people saying they think Hermione is more important, and this bothers me. He was the one Harry would miss most according to Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire.

ron is my favorite out of the trio! i love his humor and aggression--he causes the most drama but everyone loves drama now and again. i think he has a lot of hidden potential not noticed because he is often overshadowed by hermione and harry. really though, i think if ron dies... it will be his own doing by rushing into a dangerous situation. he tends to be a 'do-er' rather than a thinker... so his lack of caution could do it in for him in the end......
anyway, as for his upcoming role in the war, support is a given because of his friendship with harry and the order. i think he will become more involved but cause some trouble. he seems to have a lot of misguided assumptions and because he thinks with his heart rather than his head, he could lead harry or someone else into deep waters. if ron keeps his cool, he'll be very beneficial.

Has anyone hear heard the theory that the Weasleys can somehow be linked to a pheonix?

This might be a bit confusing to some, but as legend has it, I believe it is the 7th son in a family that has some kind of power. Now that being said, Ron, from what we know, is not the 7th, he's the sixth. However, the possibility remains that there may have been a miscarriage, or another brother that died...in fact, the actual likelihood in such a large family of having a loss is very high indeed.

Now, what that could mean I don't know, but its an intersesting concept to wrap your head around non?

lastnightsdream i'll just go to the previous topic of conversation, since i know nothing of the theory you mentioned.
i really don't think ron will sacrifice himself. first of all, anthony gave some very good reasons for it. and secondly, JK can't have too many pople sucrifising themselves for harry. now i'm probably confusing you, but here it is (i don't want to go too far from the topic): from what we know from the books, warmtail has to repay harry for saving his life in PoA (when he didn't allow sirius and remus to kill him) and he hasn't done so yet.
i'm sure JK will think up of some other role for ron, but warmtail AND ron sacrifising their own lives for harry? it's a recurring theme, you know and JK's known for varriety.
if you want to hear about my theory about ron's role, read it here
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Goldstein's right...absolutely...in my opinion...that is!!
However...i believe that Ron is a sort of weak character...judging by the fact that he cannot bear people making fun of him...on the other hand he can be considered a courageous character...when he stood up for Hermione...after Draco called her a 'mudblood'!!
So...i come to a conclusion that Ron can be a 'valiant soldier'...only if he's triggered into it!! For instance...losing his family members...or close friends!!

What people seem to be missing however, is how much Ron really HAS changed between books one and five. and even just from the beginning of book five to its end, we see Ron show some, while partialy offscreen, mature decisions. we see HIM become a mediator between Harry and Hermione, and is able to take control.

It was posted somewhere taht Ron was doing the wrong thing about shsush ing Hermione about wanitng to talk about Siruis' death. However, it MUST be noted that Harrd HAD in fact already donne so, but his istress is also DOUBLED not only by the fact that he lost his Godfather this time, but he learned he was a 'marked man'.

Anyways, I think something BIG happened to Ron with the Brains.


we must note:

I adore Ron. Quite frankly, I beleive he is very important to the series. He is not just comic releif. He is not just a third wheel hangig around for the sake of it. He's Harry's best friend, his right hand man. Now, Harry and Hermione are great friends, but when I read the series I get the impression that Harry prefers hanging out with Ron. Also, Ron is a wonderful friend, he would sacrifice himself for Harry or Hermione. I love Ron, and hope everyone can see his important role in the series.

I think I should clarify something. I am thinking more, that Ron and all the other people aren't necessarily sacrificing themselves for Harry, but more for everyone. Some, like Wormtail, may be getting set up to do it for Harry, but others, like Ron, could end up doing something heroic and sacrificial for the greater good..

Ron has shown himself to be a loyal friend to Harry. In OOP, he even booked a victory against Malfoy and his gang, from a desperate position. Thus, Ron is emerging as a dependable Lieutenant General under General Harry Potter. Jo kept showing how Ron easily beat Harry and Hermione in chess, reminding us about Ron's thusfar-untapped capability as a strategist.
We may see his role in the next books.
As for the battle with Voldemort, Harry has to do it himself, as always.
However, since Harry's, Ron's, and Hermione's wands represent 3 materials used by Mr. Olivander, there will be a time where the trio unites in a battle.
For the final battle, I think Harry will face Voldemort, Neville will face Bellatrix and Ron & Hermione will face the Malfoys (Lucius, Narcissa or Draco), whereas Ginny will deal with Voldemort's snake, Nagini, which I suspect, holds the immortal part of Voldemort (a part of his soul).
I was sad to the prospect of Luna not seeing the day of the final battle.

It could happen, but Ron should have a greater role, because sometimes, people are putting Ron and Hermione as one person. Just sometimes, they're refered to Harry, Ron and Hermione, Ginny..
Something like that.

Anyway, what I think his role will be is that he's going to be Harry's right hand man, like Barty Crouch Jr. was to Voldemort, not that Harry's going to treat Ron like a follower. But, Ron's going to do everything in his power to protect Harry because he knows what it could mean if Harry dies (well, he will know). He's probably going to end up sacrificing himself for Harry (maybe not, and I hope he doesn't)...but I think other people have already said this.

I don't think Ron will be the one sacrificing himself. With everyone in the order do you really think a sixteen or seventeen year old will have to sacrifice himself? I definitely think Ron isn't a third wheel, or Hermione. I can see them trying to help Harry a great deal and in turn maybe getting hurt for it. But I don't think ROn will die to save Harry. ANd I know this is a little off topic. But I think Snape will be the one to sacrifice.

Muggleview!!!

great to see you, now if ONLY QQS and Bandoth would join us...

anyways, as I said in my last post, (page 2) Ron has 'Greater' scars than those on his arms. those in his mind, left by the brains. what did they leave? is it a blessing, or a curse?

I don't know, but I think that that brain helped Ron mature MUCH faster than ANYONE could have anticipated. Come round book six, I thinkwe'll be seeing a VERY DIFFRENT side of Ron.

- Thomas

I believe Ron will die. Yes, I know that in GoF he's the person Harry will miss most, and yes, I know that he's changed over the books. However. Hem hem...haha, couldn't resist...
Ron will betray Harry...against his will. We have seen so much proof throughout the series of Ron's jealousy of Harry, of how much he feels in Harry's shadow, but in OotP, he finally starts to come into his own. However, we also have the knowledge that when Professor Moody put the Imperius Curse on the DADA class, Ron had more trouble with the curse than the other had.
So, if that didn't make sense, hopefully this next part will.
Someone will put Ron under the Imperius curse, and he will be somewhat a traitor. I think Ron will start to fight the curse, and during the final battle may sacrifice himself to save Harry and Hermione, as well as Ginny, Neville, and Luna.
Just a thought.

I don't think Ron is going to die and I sure hope not. He is my favourite character! It isn't even the last book so Ron is going to live. I hope he plays a big role in the movie!

Okay, so some people have been saying that Ron cant be killed off in THBP because it would give the younger audience nightmares. But you have to take in that J.K. Rowling has wrote about some seriously mature and somewhat disturbing things. Murder, betrayal, awkward first dates, uncontrolable anger, and death. It's not lying to say that people have died in this book, and I think that it would be all to easy to pluck Ron off, (hey, she did it to Sirius, didnt she?) Dont worry, I dont want Ron to die, but if he is than fate decides.

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In many different threads people have talked about something giving Harry enough hate or cause for vengeance to kill LV, but they've got it all wrong. I think it's impertinent to talk about Ron's death serving this purpose because I don't think Harry will ever use AK to kill LV. In the opening scene of PS/SS McGonogall tells DD that he would never allow himself to use the same dark magic as LV, so we should assume that if Harry kills LV it won't be through hate--that's Voldemort's weapon.

Since Ron has always wanted fame and glory separate from Harry, I think he will receive fame and glory in an ironic fashion--by helping Harry when no one else could. I picture a scene where Harry's been kidnapped or Ron believes Harry's been killed, and he goes on a rampage and is able to set Harry free.

IMO Ron wont die but will come close to it. I think that he will be severly injured and put into St. Mungo's. But I think that Ron will draw away alot of the death eaters to leave Harry to fight Voldemort. I think that in a way he will die to Harry. I think that Harry will see the death eaters go at him and Ron be outnumbered and he sees it as rons death is inevitable and he goes right after Voldemort without watching the outcome and this gives him the emotion and strong feeling of love(brotherly) which Voldemort detests and will be the main reason that Harry wins.

If y'all have looked at the back of the American Cover you see Ron and Hermione looking at the Dark Mark. So since that means someone has died, but Ron is still living and looking at it, wouldn't that mean he lives.

I think that Ron maybe will betray Harry .Because Ron envies a bit Harry and wants to look brave and nice to Hermione who admires Harry.
So maybe he will go with the Dark Side to gain power.

But soon he will realise his mistake and he will return.

That's what I think....

I definitely do not think that Ron will betray Harry
I think that he will help Harry look for horcruxes, and get together with Hermione. The three of them have always done everything together and I don't think that that will change. I think that Ron will be there at teh final battle, and I really hope he survives

ive been a beliver of the whole chess theory deal for a long time now and i really think that it forshadows the series, and i think that just like the game ron sacrifices himself(against harrys wishes) and it gives harry a clear shot at LV.

I agree partly with those who believe that as a primarily "children's" book it would be upsetting to lose a main character but we have already lost so many important ones along the way!

I do believe that Ron would sacrifice himself to save Harry. He did it in the game of chess when they went looking for the sorcerors stoe in book one.

I believe That Ron has always had a very real awareness of Harry's importance in the defeat of Voldemort, possibly because of his parents' involvement in the OTP.

okay now understand that i'm not being mean to anyone of different opinipons or whatever on this topic.....

but if Ron doesn't die, i'll be very angry.

look at all the foreshadowing from the first 6 books, Ron was always either left behind, sacrificed or hurt in each "battle" if that's what you want to call it.

for example, book 1.

Ron had to sacrifice himself in the chess game for harry to get to voldemort. i think that's the big thing in this. he's harry's best friend and will do anything to help him, even if that means getting killed.

and i think that it's Bellatrix that will kill him, simply because of the chess game. I read some good theories about this on mugglenet (northtower 22) and if you wanna read where i got my backups from it's there.

and i'd be angry if he doesn't die for this reason: if Ron doesn't die, then something obviously isn't right in this series. i stopped reading the books after i read 5 three times simply because sirius died. when JK kills off people that are amazing in the story, i get angry. and then when i expect it and it doesn't happen i get more angry.

and when i say angry i don't mean emotionally upset or anything. i just mean i won't read the books anymore and stuff like that.

otherwise i could go on and on for a looooong time about my theory and i really don't want to right now.

Interesting bit about Bellatrix winding up killing Ron in the final book, echoing the knight's sacrifice to the queen in the chess game in PS.

But Harry, Ron and Hermione, in my mind, are characters meant to represent JKR's readers. I doubt very much that she will kill any of them. Furthermore, Ron and Hermione being avatars of Harry's emotions and intellect respectively, I can't really see either of them dying.

Having said that, I think they will be in for a rough ride...

Well, in fact, my personal believing is that Harry will be the one who kills Voldemort, but he will also die with him. I haven't denied completely the idea of him being the last horcrux. But as this being a thread discussing Ron's role, I considered the possibility of him falling and his death unleashing Harry's rage so that he defeats LV. What doesn't fit in this theory is what will happen to Hermione if Ron dies and she lives. I mean, those two characters are absolutely equal and it wouldn't feel right if one of them dies. So most likely Ron's role from my point of view would be to support Harry til the very end,have great fights with the enemy, but to survive in the end( hopefully). And, last, but not least, to take care of Hermione and Ginny, who, after Harry's possible death, will need support. This way Ron will finally grow up to be the man he's meant to be, but never seems to behave like.

I disagree. I think that the chess bit is a foreshadowing and Ron will sacrifice himself in the final battle so that Harry and Heromine can defeat Voldemort.

I don't think that Ron will die earlier in the book though. And it will either be Bellatrix or Voldemort who kills him.

I really don't think Ron will die. JKR has taken 6 books to set up the relationship between him and Hermione, and I just don't see her killing him off. I think that Harry and Voldemort are going to have a wizard's duel, and Ron will be his second. What exactly this is going to mean is anybody's guess, but I do think that a duel is in order.

True....but she also spent 6 books introducing Dumbledore, and look what became of him. I'm not sure whether I believe Ron will live or die. I could see him sacrificing himself. It would be a way for him to gain that "eternal glory" that he always seems to be after. Ron could be quite resourceful as well. Out of the trio, he's spent the most time in the wizarding world. He may know things that they don't. Whatever role he plays, though, it will be vital to Harry. I could see Harry dying and Ron avenging his death (The prophecy doesn't say that they have to kill each other!). And what a twist that would be!

I really don't want this to happen but, I think he might sacrifice himself for Harry, in book 1 when they are playing the giant chess board thingy, that kind of reminds me of the war between the Dark Side and the Good Side, and Ron sacrifices himself.

Very feasible. I don't know what to think anymore. All I know is that something must happen to Ron.

Good point. We can be sure that SOMETHING is going to happen to Ron. Even if we don't know what.

If nothing happens to Ron, I will be utterly disgusted. It's not to say that I don't love Ron....but something is bound to happen to him. And I'd rather him than Hermione, she's much to valuable.

I think somehting big will happen to Ron ibook seven, like we discover he has an unknown power or somehting, Hermione is very intelligent but all we know about Ron is that he is brave that is why he was put into Gryffindor.

Wouldn't it be really interesting if Ron turned out to be the heir of Gryffindor? It would be really "ballsy," but it would be a great twist, especially with all this talk about it being Harry and Dumbledore.

Here's my semi-far-fetched theory. Ever since book 4, we have been losing characters. Each one of their roles has become increasingly bigger. Cedric, one of the friends you kind of say "Hi" to when you see them. Sirius, just like a father to Harry. Then Dumbledore, the ultimate protector for Harry. It seems logical to think Ron or Hermione will die in the last book. I however believe that the trio will live. I think that Ron will come close to death but in the end he will stay alive. I still don't think it will be a happy ending however, maybe JKR kills off people like Fred n' George, Neville, McGonagall(spelling?) or even Lupin.