Now that Kreacher no longer has a master who is on 'our' side (Bellatrix is the only one near the Black family) will he be exectuted by the order? and now that Sirius is dead will they still use Number 12 Grimauld place as thier Headquarter?

I checked and couldn't fins a topic like this so I decided to open this one,
any thoughts?

I think they still will use it as the headquarters, maybe just like a way to honor Sirius, but I don't have any idea what they're goping to do with kreacher.

And can you imagine how nuts Hermione would go if she found out they killed him.

Kreacher's life long ambition is to be beheaded and stuck on the wall. If he has to die they will be fufilling his lifelong dream.

I thikn using Grimauld Place will depend on if Sirius had a will? Do Wizards have wills? Will that house automatically go to someone in the family, like Bella?

I would imagine they would some sort of document or magical thing that made it clear who all their stuff went to if they were to die, because if you think about it even wizards will want to decide who gets their posesions.

Yeah he does want his head on the wall, but thats after he dies from naturaly, or at least thats what I thought, and Hermione didn't like it when people were mean to him or tried to hurt him.

Sirius told Harry one of his aunts.. can't remember off hand.. started the tradition of beheading the house elves when they gottoo old to carry a tea tray. When they were looking at the Black Family Tree.

Oh yeah, but Kreacher can still carry a tea tray and do aolot of other things, so Herminoe would get upset because he could still be usful or whatever.

will they just cutt his head off then, and hang it on the wall along with the others? It wouldn't be the way of the Order to do a thing like that.

Given the fact the Sirius was still considered Harry's "godfather" and the fact that Harry's parents left him gold that James inherited, tells me they do indeed have wills, or something very much lke it. Sirius also inherited gold from his uncle, who was removed from the family tree as well. So we know for sure they do have "wishes" after being dead that the wizaring world complies to.

As for Kreacher, I have thought about this one. I imagine DD will have a plan for him. No one ever said what came of him after he told all to DD. I suppose he will more than likely replace Dobby as the Malfoy's house elf. Just my thoughts...

But kreacher knows to much for the order to let him serve the malfoys.

And I know this will be off topic but, if harry does inherit grimauld place, DD might let him take dobby to be his elf.

Yes,I don't know if Harry can inherit something from Sirius since they're not in family? But sirius can of coures give Harry the house, he might've said something like that to Dumbledore or Lupin who were his closest friends.

And as you said above^^ Kreacher knows to much about the Order to serve any other house than grimauld place as long as the headquarter is there.

He atualy can't as long as he lives, because he knows who every member of the order are, and he knows alot of info that they woulden't want Voldemort to know.

Well the headquarters will stay the same. It will take way too much to relocate and like Sirius said "You'd be hard put to find a better hideout"(Or something like that). Then everyone had told harry that Sirius knew what to expect if he joined the order. he knew that murder was possible. so i think that grimmauld will stay. no clue on kreacher though. i think rowling will throw a curveball with that one.

Yeah I'm confident that the headquarters will stay the same, but elves are bound to serv one family or house untill they are set free or die. So heres the question: If harry did in fact get the house, would kreacher then have to serv him, or is he bound the the Black family not the house?

Can Kreacher reveal the location of Grimmauld Place? I guess the real question at hand here is whether or not house elves can be bound by wizarding spells, such as the Fidelius Charm. Because here's the thing: Yes, Kreacher knows a lot, like that Sirius really cared about Harry, stuff that Sirius couldn't have known would be useful to Voldemort. And yes, he knows who the members of the Order are, and that could be a potentially dangerous situation (except for Tonks...she has got to be the most useful person ever, seriously).

Is Kreacher bound by the Fidelius Charm? Remember, as far as magic goes, house elves are in a totally different plane than wizards are. Dobby in Chamber of Secrets apparates, which Hermione has reminded us numerous times that you cannot do on the Hogwarts grounds. Dumbledore even tells Harry that house elves have a different brand of magic (and it's probably stinkin' powerful too). So, by way of inductive reasoning, all the ancient protection and charms and stuff on Hogwarts grounds stopping people from Apparating and Disapparating clearly does not apply to house elves. It is entirely plausible then that they are also not bound by the rules of spells such as the Fidelius Charm, because their magic somehow let's them supercede it.

I think it is also prudent to consider that Kreacher was already at the house. Sirius tells Harry (I'm too lazy to look up the page number right now) that he wonders what the heck Kreacher has been doing for ten years, because the house is in complete disrepair. It's a mess; Kreacher is a freak of a house elf who doesn't take his responsibilities seriously (opposed to the other freak house elves we've met, one who is a drunk who takes herself just a wee bit too seriously, and another who is just weird.). So back to the point, Kreacher has been at Numba' 12 for ten years doing nothing...explain to me why he suddenly becomes bound by the Fidelius Charm, if he never heard the "secret" since he's been there the whole time?

Of course, it could be as simple as he is bound to the house (by which I mean, and I think Rowling meant, the Blacks (such as the chapter title "The Most Noble and Ancient House of Black")), and so if his Master at the time, Sirius, was entrusted with a secret as per the ramifications of the Fid. Charm, then so is Kreacher. Which means he cannot betray this secret so long as Sirius keeps it or his life. We are pretty sure he has not betrayed the secret (though if Dumbledore is the secret-keeper, and he gives the secret to someone, can that person then give that secret to others? I mention this because when Harry arrives, he has to read the note scribbled by Dumbledore, Mad-Eye can't just tell him. Now that I think about it, that makes total sense. Anyway...). In any case, for all intents and purposes, Sirius is dead, and Kreacher no longer has to serve him, so he runs off to the Malfoy's, and tells them everything he can, Order members, that Harry really cares about a distantly related red-headed family and a Muggle-born witch, really, everything he has ever heard.

What my rambling leads to is one of two conclusions: Either Kreacher can give the location of Grimmauld Place, or he can't. If the former, then the Order is pretty well screwed (not to mention that I would say Ms. Rowling has lost a bit of her literary edge). If the latter, then we must examine why Kreacher, a house elf, cannot give that information, and what the ramifications of this binding are as far as any house elves go, such as the Hogwarts elves, or even for Hermione's ambitious abolition of the enslavement of elfish kind. And really, I don't think Kreacher will be killed (I really feel a bit like Sirius did...maybe he got caught up in the airing cupboard after all...but can't get my hopes up just yet). If Kreacher is bound to the house itself and not the family, but can leave when commanded (or when he twists a command to suit his purposes...tricky, these house elves are), then whom, if anyone, does he serve, and how do they prevent Kreacher from leaving again? Then again, neither do I think that the Order will need to find a new headquarters. Suppose I could have just said that, but it's late and my brain was going.

I think the Order will still use GP as their headquarters. Sirius will not be happy if they will look for other one. But I'm just thinking. If Kreacher is already on the other side, there's a possibility that he already informed the bad side about the HQ. But still, the Order should stay on the GP and I know they could find a way to protect and hide their HQ.

Well, the headquarter is already very well hidden. You can't find it unless Dumbeldore himself tells you where to find it, we know that from OoTP. Plus all the encantments DD has put on the house and Sirius' grandfather did also encant the house to protect it. So I doubt the would find it even if kreacher did tell them where in London Grimauld place is.

I wonder if the orders Sirius gave to Kreacher still remains. Do he have to obey the orders from Sirius now that he is dead?

Thats a good question, if they don't hokd any power over him now then he could do anything he wants. And if he did go to the other side and tell all then Snape coulden't leave Hogwarts for awhile because Voldemort would now know that he betrayed him.

You know..you're right about Snape. His character is so confusing. DD said he got information out of Kreacher by using Legilimens. That Voldemort is also a master of. I would venture to say that they can bind Kreacher to another member of the Order, another Black? They said Tonks was his cousin, twice removed, but Kreacher wouldn't listen or take orders from her. That leaves the Weasley's, no help there either He calls them "Blood Traitors". So....I think old Kreacher is in a difficult position and puts the Order in a difficult position as well. It is my opinion that we have not seen the last of Kreacher and his love of the "Dark Wizards".

I also agree that Number 12 Grimwauled (sp) Place will stay the Headquarters.

At the moment the only option I can see is to either find some wat of binding him to another person, or killing him which would be the much easyer path. Despite how Hermione would reacked to it.

So if they don't kill him off he'll get a new master. Could Harry be he's new master?

Yes see thats what I've been wondering, thats why the question of wether he's bound to the house or the family is so imprtant.

Oh, no ones going to murder Kreacher. I expect he'll stay at the house, but will be closely monitered. As far as going to a different family, it is possible. Oh I just thought of something. Hes bound only to people in the family. TONKS. So Tonks can't be the new DADA... Oh I'm moving to that forum. Bye.

Kreacher wouldn't go to Tonks because he already refused to take orders from her...I expect that the family tree literally records who is still within the family and who has gotten the boot, explaining why he wouldn't listen to Tonks. To add some flavor to the house/family issue, what if Kreacher is tied to the house, but say Harry inherits it. Harry, being a half-blood and not in the family, Kreacher doesn't listen to Harry. Would Kreacher be free to run away like he did in OotP? Because that situation would result in Kreacher not being bound to any person, but also not being free. He would be stuck in house-elf limbo.

I suspect that it is somewhat both, but this does not have to be a weak cop out. Sirius said that Kreacher had to listen to anyone in the family, but wouldn't listen to Tonks, who was burned out of the family tree. In this way, Kreacher is bound to the family. But Kreacher also could not leave Grimmauld Place until he was told to "Get out" by Sirius. In this way, bound to the house. Maybe that's what Draco's detour is...

Here is a website that gives another option. Be careful. it has good theories that may be right.

http://violetjones.tripod.com

i'm not sure about who kreacher will go to.. but i dont think that he can leak any really valuable information..

in OotP, pg 831: "You see, Kreacher was not able to betray us totally. He is not Secret-Keeper for the Order, he could not give the Malfoys our whereabouts or tell them any of the Order's confidential plans that he had been forbidden to reveal. He was bound by the enchantments of his kind..."

so i'm guessing that they would forbid kreacher to tell anyone who was in the order as well. i think that the order will keep using grimmauld place, and that kreacher may represent some sort of threat, but not nearly as big of a threat as most people think.

I never thougth that there would be need for another headquarters. First, I can't think of anywhere they would have it. Harry's probably going to inharit Number Twelve, so that would be another reason to keep it.

As for Kreacher being a threat, they could just do the easy thing and lock Kreacher in a room..but then again, with his own magic, a door doesn't stop him, he could just Disapparate. Well, I don't think that's what it's called for House-elves. Anyway, he would, that would make a crack noise, and he wouldn't want to wake his 'dead' mistress, now would he? Hehe..
Anyway, Dumbledore already said that Kreacher couldn't say where the locaion was, so..he's really not a threat. But then again, couldn't he just take the Malfoys or other DEs to the headquarters? Probably not, heh, going off topic there.

well if harry inherits the house, then won't he sort of inherit Kreacher too? then he can order kreacher not to talk to deatheaters or anything like that (unless he already has...)