Huh, I never tought about this before but Sirius was a true Gryffinor, right up intill. He went through everything to get to Harry, to help him, he died protecting him he was a great man. I don't know about Peter, to me bravery is standing up and doing the right thing, even if you're standing alone. Peter didn't do the right thing and stand up to Voldermort, he let himself be taken by him, he did it to save his own skin, which sounds a lot like what Phineas said to Harry, "I thought that to belong in Gryffindor House you were suppose to be brave? It looks to me as though you would have been better off in my own house. We Slytherins are brave, yes, but not stupid. For instance, given the chocie, we will always choose to save our own necks". Which is what Peter did.

very intersting thought there Amyrat151. i thinkt hat Peter wasnt even good enough to eb in Hogwarts at all to begin with.

Hmm, that idea has merits. I think that Peter is just this horrabliy weak person.

...who seeks power, that is why he probabaly went to voldemort. maybe that is why he is brave? remember what dumbledore said in the first book to neville? something like standing up to an enemy can be hard but standing up to friends takes a great deal of courage (not the exact quote i know!! go with it though!!)


by the way, this is my 1600th post!!

I've always wondered how Peter ended up in Griffindor too, being what he is. Maybe it is because they were all Sorted when they were only 11 years old, and people change as they grow. When he was sorted the qualities that Griffindor embodies could have been stronger than those for other houses. But he chose to nurture his worst qualities instead. He liked watching James and Sirius bully people, and unlike them never got over it.

I'm sure it's possible for people in other houses to develope their Griffindor qualities, or Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw or Slytherin, so that by the time they are ready to leave school they might better embody a House they were never sorted into.

I agree! ^ Peter didnt become especially evil until he was what, 20 or so? I suppose he was pure and brave and normal when he was little, and was surrounded by peers that were also...

but isnt the sorting hat supposed to know how someone will turn out? i mean can it see the future?? ok maybe not..nevermind. but i always thought that the sorting hat should know what the student's intentions will be like in the future

I don't think the sorting hat can see into a student's future, but can see their potential. But people change as they grow.

Wouldn't it be fun though if the students could try the hat on again and be resorted before graduation?

Yeah, it can see what kind of person you are, and what kind of person you could be. I mean, no one is born evil, so he had the poteial to be brave, but didn't really embarce it.

I was sorted into gryffindor, like with evert sorting thing I've been at. Though I don't think I'm to brave.

umm...can we get back to topic?


how would the sorting hat know their potential, does it read their minds or something. probabaly that is why peter got into gryffindor, he was thinking of being in that house and he just got in.

Yeah, I agree, most Slytherins are bad. And yeah, I do believe that Hagrid was in Gryffindor because he is brave and loyal.

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I have always wondered why Peter was placed in Gryffindor. I know what you are going to say; there is no proof that he was, but I really think that he was. I can't see the other Maruaders becoming so close to someone that wasn't in their house. Peter has not shown real courage in my opinion. He has shown cowardly courage (a bit of an oxymoran there I know) but not true courage. It all comes back to the question I has asked, Why was he put in Gryffindor?

We have speculated that Harry is an heir of Gryffindor but I don't think that he is. I think that it could be Peter though. I think that the Sorting Hat saw this and that was the major reason he placed him there. Peter is a descendant of Godric Gryffindor and V know's it. He was looking for a Gryffindor item and has one in Peter and the silver hand of Peter's is the Gryffindor Horcrux.

Well, the thing is, we cant be sure if your theory/statement is reasonable or not since we dont have actual proof that he was in Gryffindor.

But if indeed he is, then you are on to something. His hand was really described in deep detail, so it should be to some inportance.

hmmmmmmm...interesting theorizing, Rory Taylor!

However, as Daniel Potter stated, we have no proof that Peter was in Gryffindor, and it is a lot to think that not only was he a Gryffindor, but an heir of Godric himself!

I agree with you in that James, Sirius, and Remus are not very likely people to befriend those outside of Gryffindor House. Therefore, I do believe that Wormtail is a Gryffindor House member.

If you theory is true (which is kind-of likely), we know why Voldemort has "kept" Wormtail as a loyal servent. And, why he kept his hand



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It has been confirmed that all the marauders but Peter were in Gryffindor. JKR was asked in an interview which house they were all in and the person who asked the question repeated Lupin twice. She replied that all of them were in Gryffindor.

maby he was in gryffendor,not because he was a traitor obviously,because he was brave enough to give voldemort info on the potters.yet then why wasn't he put in slitherin.we dont know,but what we do know is that the sorting hat allways has a reason for putting a certain person in a certain house.so only the hat will know unless,J.K.R. anounces it in the final book.

Grffyndor is associated with courage and I think courage is almost always associated with doing the right thing. However, I think sometimes it takes a lot of courage to do the wrong thing. And I think that is definitely the case with wormtail. Although, who he is now may not have been who he was then. It would be like if Ron suddenly decided that he wanted to be evil and sneaky and self ambitios. We couldn't say "well why was Ron put in Gryffindore?" because when he was sorted he was a true Gryffindore. The hat didin't make a mistake, he's just changed, that's all.

I just wanted to add that Peter's courage may be still to come in becoming traitor to LV. DD did say something about Harry saving Peter but its completely slipped my mind

SOloround, you said "courage is almost always associated with doing the right thing" That isnt nescisarily true.

I mean, it takes a bunch of courage to jump on the back of a moving car and ride it down a hill until someone else falls off and gets a mild concusion.... That sure as hell wasnt the right thing. But it took courage to do.... or just stupidity... oh well, we'll never know, its an opinonated thing anyway

and Fizzingwizbee makes a goo dpoint. Peter may have been put in Gryffindor (if he was in it) because of what he may do in the future (in book 7 for example)

thats really all I got. and oh yeah. I'M A SECOND YEAR NOW!!! heh

cheese *second year* puff?

Urrr...on the lines with what El cheeser puff said...

Courage and bravery are certainly not always associated with good...we, assuming that most people are good, relate the two together...

All of the Death Eaters have a ton of courage to be on the side of Lord Voldemort. The chances that they get caught, die, or imprisoned in Azkaban are very high, especially in the middle of a full-throtled war! That takes a hell lot of courage to stand up for what they believe in!

However, those people who chose to stick up for what they believe in and have no care about what happens to others on their way to domination have thier own House....Slytherin. I guess Slytheirn can be associated with bravery as well....

So, just my two cents...deal with it as you'd like!


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ps...congrats El cheeser puff for making it to Second Year! I was so excited when I saw the change from First to Second!!!

On the subject of bravery let me make the point that Phineas Nigelleus Black said in OotP that Slytherins consider themselves to be brave but given the choice they prefer to save their own skin rather than anyone elses. I also think that all the houses show their own brand of bravery and courage they just show it in different. Gryffindor is known for courage and bravery because they are more direct and open about it.

I also tend to think that we may be heading a little off topic, yes part of the topic is about Peter's bravery but there are also other things as well like wether or not their is a chance that his hand is a horcrux and wether or not he actually was in Gryffindor.

you know fizzingwizbee u may be right...maybe peter has yet to show his courage and it may be to turn against voldermort to save harry as he was indebted to him because in PoA harry did technically save peteres life....i never realised why he would be in gryffindor...excellent observation..

I have searched the forums and couldn't find any about this so here goes.

I always wondered what house some of the minor characters were in when they were at Hogwarts like:

Cornelius Fudge
Dolores Umbridge
Tonks
Rita Skeeter
Barty Crouch Snr and Jnr
Stan Shunpike
Amelia Bones
Mundungus Fletcher
Alistor 'Mad Eye' Moody
Ludo Bagman

What do you all think.

There is one more that I would like to bring up and this is the interesting one. Petunia Evans-Dursley. I know she didn't go but just say that she got the letter but refused it or went but got expelled. What house would she had been in?

Rory

Fudge, I would say Ravenclaw or possibly Slytherin.

Umbridge seems like a Slytherin to me, but could be Ravenclaw too I guess.

Tonks seems like a definite Gryffindore, but maybe hufflepuff.

Rita...hmmm, i duno...she's pretty ambitious so I'd say slytherin

Barty...slytherin maybe, not sure

Crouch Jr seems like a definite slytherin

Stan, pry hufflepuff

I can't really remember much about Bones but Susan is in Gryffindore so I'd put her there too i guess

Moody would be Ravenclaw I think

Ludo Bagman...hmmm, maybe hufflepuff?


Those are my guesses

Interesting questions, Rory. Fudge could fit into Slytherin House probably, yet I haven't interpreted his character as someone who values knowledge and wisdom above his own ambitions, so I don't think he'd be a Ravenclaw. I wouldn't be surprised if Cornelius was a Hufflepuff, he's almost like a mature Ernie MacMillan IMO.
The Crouches...Barty Sr. could've been in any of the Houses. Like his assistant Weatherby he was clever, studious, ambitious and a stickler for the rules. Those qualities are compatible with any House (although rebellion probably fits with all of them except Hufflepuff). I think his defining action that may give us the best idea of which House he belonged to was why Crouch smuggled his son out of Azkaban.

Cornelius Fudge: probably either Gryffindor or Hufflepuff. He's pretty loyal, not totally brave though....
Dolores Umbridge: Slytherin I would think. She's "cunning"
Tonks: Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff
Rita Skeeter: Ravenclaw or Slytherine. Smart, and using "any means"
Barty Crouch Snr and Jnr: Gryffindor.. POSSibly. or Slytherin.
Stan Shunpike: umm, couldn't guess really. Maybe Gryffindor? maybe Hufflepuff?
Amelia Bones: Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff
Mundungus Fletcher: er... not sure!
Alistor 'Mad Eye' Moody: I imagine him in Ravenclaw
Ludo Bagman: Hufflepuff.

I'dd guess not many from the Order would have gone to Slytherin, maybe one or two. And Some of the people I couldn't remember their personalities very well.

Cornelius Fudge --- Ah, I can sense a desire for power in you. Somewhat shrewd and not really all that brave. Fairly intelligent, but hmm, where to put you --- Ravenclaw!

Dolores Umbridge --- Oh my! You're a wicked one, yes you are! Not all that powerful, but definitely someone with ambition. Happy to snivel under someone else's command, but will sneak around their back too --- Slytherin!

Tonks --- Very talented, but also rather clumsy. Definitely some bravery here and strong loyalty. This is hard one, but Gryffindor!

Erm, I'll sort the rest later...

This is what I always try to figure out about a character. Their house says a lot about them, but then, they do change.

Fudge...he loves power, but he doesn't seem to be smart enough. I'm thinking Slytherin, though he's typically not the sly kind, Slytherin is all about power, and 'those great enough to seak it' .
Umbridge...I would love to say Slytherin, but I can't make every bad guy (or gal) a Slytherin. She does love power though. Maybe something like Gryffindor or Ravenclaw. To be in those doesn't mean that you're nice or anything, but that you have the traits of the house. Umbridge was pretty smart, no doubt about that. She knew how to plan the school lessons, and knew to bribe Marietta Edgecombe to telling where the D.A. headquarters was..those kinds of things.

Lol, I would say Tonks in Gryffindor, but again, it's not because she's a good person... But because she's willing to do the right thing, and stands up for what she believes in.
Rita Skeeter..that power hungry, no good, gossipng witch...lol. Maybe something like Slytherin or Ravenclaw.

I'm thinking Barty Crouch Sr. would be in Slytherin as well because it looked as though he was mad with power during the first of Voldemort's time. Barty Crouch Jr. was probably in Hufflepuff. He was described as a shy boy when he was younger. He's also very loyal to Voldemort, as shown at the end of GoF . So, Hufflepuff's only for those who are loyal.

Stan~Hufflepff
Ameila~Gryffindor
Mundungus~Gryffindor (eek!)
Alastor~Gryffindor
Ludo~Slytherin

I'm not so sure about him being in Gryffindor, but his silver hand must play a big role, and I think we'll find out more about his history in the next book. What house he was, his family, and his hand. After all, he still owes Harry his life. harry let him run away. They could've killed him, but nope, they didn't. Why? Harry said so. Peter owes his life to harry, so he'll be playing a major role in book 7.

I think his hand because it is silver will either kill Lupin (when he is a werewolf)I hope not:(
Or he will repay Harry for saving his life and kill Feriner Greyback!:D
Seeing his hand was so well described it could be that it does kill one of the werewolfes we have come to know??

However I think that it wud be kool if he was the heir of gryffindor, or if his true gryffindor qualities come through and he joins Harry.
Personally I don't think he shows the qualities that the heir of gryffindor should have

In understanding the sorting hat's decision for Peter's house, there are several factors that must be considered. It does not appear that Peter has any of the qualities favored in Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff, so these can be eliminated. From what we have seen of his behaviour so far, the obvious choice seems to be Slytherin. His actions are soley for his own benefit, and he certainly always saves his own back first. He also betrayed his friends; however, I cannot honestly associate this with being in Slytherin. Obviously the sorting hat does not see the potential to be evil and put students in Slytherin - It's just that the potential to be great, which many Slytherins do have, may often be used for evil. The funny thing is that I don't see Peter with the capability of being great. Perhaps this or an honest desire not to be in Slytherin (like Harry) influenced his house placement. This leaves us with Gryffindor as Peter's house, which makes sense since he was a Marauder and I cannot see the others befriending him if he was from another house, especially Slytherin.

If Peter is assumed to be in Gryffindor, the question of why is obvious, becuase even though we have proved him wrong for the other houses, he still does not seem to have shown much bravery. Although the idea of his being the Heir of Gryffindor is interesting, I do not really see this as a possibility. I think that Salazar Slytherin was the only founder who was arrogant enough to declare that he would have an heir. On the same note, I also do not think that his silver hand is a horcrux, although it may show some importance later - perhaps in the defeat of Greyback. Although we don't know much of what Peter was like in school, the appearance is that he did not show much bravery then. My conjecture, therefore, is that the sorting hat saw the potential for Peter to be brave in the future. He may not have shown this courage yet, but we must consider that he has a life debt to Harry from PoA. It is quite likely that he will find the courage to protect Harry in some way in the future, and this will confirm his courage.

Haha, wow, I think I wrote a short book there! Hopefully some of it made sense...

I'm guessing Cornelius Fudge would be a Hufflepuff. He seems nice enough, but lacks the courage of a Gryffindor. He doesn't come across as ambitious as a Ravenclaw or manevolent as a Slytherin. Dolores Umbridge would probably definintely be a Slytherin. She's shown a willingness to do "anything to achieve [her] ends." Tonks seems like a Gryffindor; bright, but not overly scholarly and very brave. Rita Skeeter is probably another classic Slytherin. Barty Crouch Senior I would actually peg as a Ravenclaw; he's very much an intellectual. Barty Crouch Junior I would say is a Slytherin; very dark spirited, but very cunning. Stan Shunpike would probably be a Hufflepuff; he's another one who's not overly scholarly, but seems nice enough. Mundungus Fletcher...is kind of hard. He's rascally, though, so that would lead me to believe he's a potential Gryffindor, even if he fails to do the right thing; he seems mostly good hearted. Alistor 'Mad-Eye' Moody would have to be either a Ravenclaw or a Gryffindor; I'd lean more for him being a Gryffindor because he's definitely very brave. Ludo Bagman I would guess is another Hufflepuff; someone not very brave and not very evil. He's mostly nice, but has a weakness to him. He doesn't seem very bright either.

Whoa, could not have said it any better, Senna Wells! You basically summed up my opinions in your post!

Its funny because I, too, have always wondered what Houses all of the older and minor characters were in...especially the teachers.
-We know McGonagall, Dumbledore, and Hagrid were Gryffindors
-Flitwick was a Ravenclaw
-Sprout was a Hufflepuff
-Snape and Slughorn were Slytherins
---The teacher who stumped me most was Trelawney. I cannot see her in Gryffindor or Slytherin..she is neither brave nor "malacious." She does not seem very..intellectual, she just has that "inner eye"...so I would think she was Hufflepuff.
---Vector. We know practically nothing about her except for the fact that she is the Arithmancy teacher. Judging by the fact that Hermione was the only Gryffindor in their year who even attempted the OWL, it must be very difficult and you probably need to be very smart. She seems like a Ravenclaw to me.
---I think that all of the CoMC tecahers- Hagrid, Grubbly-Plank, and Kettleburn- wuold probably be Gryffindors. You definitely have to be brave to be around these large and dangerous animals, as well as have some intellect to teach about them.
---Lockhart- he has the determination of a Slytherin. He will do anything to get his way. Surely sounds like a Slytherin House member to me!
---Hooch...flying teacher...hosts Quidditch matches. She seems very competitive to me, no? I would think that that is a trait for Gryffindor?

Thats all for now, may add some later!


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Cornelius Fudge -- he's a difficult one ... even though he was the Minister of Magic he doesn't seem to be very smart ... too fearful of failure and of challenges to be in Gryffindor, but he tried to make the best of it and was competent enough in peacetime ... he was friendly, not coldly intellectual ... he would have been in Hufflepuff, I think...

Dolores Umbridge would definitely have been in Slytherin. She has no scruples whatsoever and she has no loyalty except to herself, and a huge thirst for power.

Tonks Gryffindor, without a doubt. She likes a bit of fun, and wasn't afraid of doing her duty even after those duties became quite grim. She is the youngest of the full members of the Order, deserving of having years of fun. Loving someone who can be killed any minute can't be much fun, the strain of it is showing but she is persevering.

Rita Skeeter Ravenclaw probably. She is very smart and she really knows her profession, which is also her first loyalty, to the point that nothing else seems to exist. Only the scoop counts to her.

Barty Crouch Senior -- I'd say he's been sorted in Hufflepuff, because above all he is a stickler for the rules and was described as a relentless pursuer of Dark wizards ... as if he set himself a task and doggedly follows it no matter how bitter it has become.

Barty Crouch Junior -- Slytherin, I think. Definitely ambitious and able to do murder to reach his goal of being Voldemort's top man.

Stan Shunpike -- he wasn't Sorted at all, I think he elected not to go to Hogwarts even if he did get a letter. But if he was Sorted, he might have been in Hufflepuff simply because he doesn't fit anywhere else ...

Amelia Bones -- I don't know much about her but I think she probably was in Ravenclaw like her daughter. She had a top job at the Ministry, she was respected and thought to be very accomplished.

Mundungus Fletcher -- lol, did he ever go to school? But then, Crabbe and Goyle did. He'd probably have fitted best in Slytherin, just like them.

Alastor 'Mad Eye' Moody -- my bet is that he was in Ravenclaw. This is based on his penchant for wizarding science -- those Dark Detectors and other instruments he relied on, his ingenious alarm system, etc.

Ludo Bagman -- difficult ... difficult. Ambition, yes, but not a lot of sense ... getting into trouble with the goblins and then running away isn't very brave either ... he takes the easy way out so he isn't much of a hard worker either ... oh dear. It seems that the only House that he would not be completely out of place is Slytherin, except that he is out of place there as well!

Felix, you're probably right about Trelawney. She certanly did her research to be able to teach the subject at all. And Lockhart seems well placed in Slytherin considering the lengths he was prepared to go to, but personally I think he was in Hufflepuff ... remember the "good hard slog" of becoming famous?

In the first book Ron tells Harry that there wasn't a witch or wizard who had gone bad that wasn't in slythrin. If this is true Wormtail would have to had been in slytherin but I was under the impression that he was in Gryffindor with Sirius James and Lupin.

I agree, this whole issue is very confusing. I don't think it's ever been specifically stated what house Wormtail was in. And yet he doesn't seem to have any Gryffindor qualities in him. But as a rule, Gryffindors and Slytherins generally don't mix --- all the same, though, he was one of the Marauders.

Well, marauders were probably in the same house. But iIdon't think he's the right for Gryffindor, nor do I think he's right for Slytherin. Maybe he isn't really evil. I mean... He is, but on the other hand he's a death eater only because he is a coward. We all know it. And the second thing; Slytherins are evil, but they have something in them similar like Gryffindors, don't they? But this isn't quite right, because then there would be no house for Crabbe and Goyle. IMHO.
edit: ok, i re-read it and if you don't know what i meant by the "second thing", don't ask my, sounds weird, but i don't know what i wanted to say by that myself.

Well, the sorting hat can't see into the futre. Perhaps at the time he was sorted Peter did posses the qaulities of a Gryffindor. And I think Ron was taking a little bit of liberty with his statement about there not being a witch or wizard goign bad who wasn't from Slytherin; I'm sure there have been some, Petegrew included.

i think Wormtail was in Gryffindor.... but is a stupid, retarded litle rat and switched sides out of cowardice.... in general Wormtail needs to fall in a hole and die like a good rat... stupid rat...

Well, I think what's considered to be the major difference between Gryiffindor and Slytherin isn't that Slytherins are evil, but rather that Gryffindors are supposed to be brave and noble. Phineas says it best in Phoenix --- that Slytherins would always save their own necks first.

And it's already been said, hasn't it? Peter Pettigrew is an awful, terrible, sniveling little coward. So unless he was somehow brave and noble before and then became a coward, he never should have been in Gryffindor.

I would say that he is most likely in Grffyindor. I mean the other three marauders were all in Gryffindor and I can't really see them hanging around a Slytherin all the time, or vice versa.

Pettigrew doesn't seem to hold the characteristics of the Gryffindor house, but then again I don't really consider ol Percy Weasley to be brave or noble like most Gryffindors and he was prefect, head boy, prat, git, etc.

Even though I think its been said the sorting hat doesn't make mistakes, perhaps some people just either don't really exemplify a particular trait associated with a house (Gryffindor = noble, brave, Ravenclaw = Intelligent, etc.) or may show characteristics suitable for more than one house(such as Hermione).

I also agree with the fact that Sirius was in Gryffindor and most people thought that he went bad, including Ron when he made the statement about all wizards who went bad Slytherins.

It was probably just a little overexaggerating on Ron's part. But I'm sure a good majority of the bad wizards/witches out there are from Slytherin.

wormtail was one of the gryffindors, i think. if his best friends in those days were in Gryffindor then he'd also be in Gryffindor though he has no courage! anyhow, if Ron did say that there was a person who went bad and was not in slytherin, then it must've been wormtail and i strongly beleive he was a Gryffindor.

Ron didn't tell Harry that *every* bad wizard/witch was in Slytherin, but that *most* of the Slytherins ended up bad. Wormtail was in Gryffindor but he was also somewhat of a coward and he didn't want Voldy to kill him so he joined him. If he'd been like one of those Slytherin nerds ( ) he would've wanted to join Voldy! But the thing is, he didn't but he was a coward and felt he had no choice. Which is why he should've died rather than betray his friends.