ALFONSO TOTALLY SCREWED THE MOVIE UP HE WAS NOT LOYAL ANY TRUE HARRY POTTER WOULD AGREE W/ ME GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR IM SO MAD GRRRRR!!!!!!!


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Lol, that monkey is cute but I don't agree... I would have after watching the film the first time, but now I've really grown to like it. I think Alfonso did a beautiful job with the movie, I know a lot has been left out from the books... but we *know* what happened, maybe he just figured it would be redundant for him to spell out everything we already knew again? Plus, for everything that was taken away... new little details have been added in, so we now have not only what we learned from the book to think about... but all we learned from the third film. Honestly, I think that's rather cool.

ALFONSO IS THE BEST! If u would have seen his other movies.....he's really talented! I think the movie is waaaaaaayyyy better than the 1st&2nd 'cause they were very disney-like. and if it isn't exactly like the book it's the sript writers fault and not the directors but JKR was pleased with the way he "re-wrote" it.

I liked the film, but i didn't like the things that he changed and missed out. For a start, i know what you mean severely_severus, but people who read the books aren't the only ones who seen the film. It didn't tell us Prongs was James, it didn't tell us how Sirius escaped from Azkaban, it didn't tell us how Lupin knew how to work the map, it didn't tell us a lot of other things either, mostly marauder information. Also, why did he change the school? Hogwarts didn't really seem like Hogwarts to me. I don't see the point in that stupid clock tower, i don't see the point in that stupid bridge, and i don't see the point in that courtyard that looks like bomb went off in it. I liked the Aunt Marge seen and i liked the Knightbus seen, but i felt quite dissapointed with the others. Oh, and i don't like Cuaron at all, because while he was cutting important scenes and bits of information out of the film, he was trying to get stupid scenes with midgets jumping on keyboards in!!!! THANK GOD JK SAID NO!!!

Totally agree with everything you said, Shuntpike - except that I think the clock tower was Cuaron's attempt to turn HP into art - the time theme and imagery was running throughout the entire film and pointed towards the use of the time turner in the end.

I was so disappointed that more wasn't made of the Marauders history which will become important in the later books (particularly OoTP). It's not that it wasn't strictly relevant, like the Quidditch cuts, 'cos it was.

Anywho, I suppose it's done now, isn't it? Let's just hope that there's loads of cut scenes on the DVD and commentaries and stuff to make up for it!!

Do you even know what a director does?
SCRIPT-WRITER!!!!!!!
He is allowed to change the plot not the director!

Yes, and i'm annoyed at Steve Kloves too, but it's not just the plot, it's the things Cuaron changed because the director also has a say in what goes into the script. Steve Kloves really messed up the plot, but Cuaron asked for things to be put into the films, and what really pi**es me off is that he hadn't even heard of Harry Potter when he took the job and he only finished reading PoA when he started directing the film, so he had no idea what fans of the book wanted in the film!!!!! He just put what he wanted into the film!!!

The movie certainly wasn't what I expected it to be...but Alfonso still did a good job. I mean, I really didn't like how the scenery changed and I hated the new perspective added to it, but really, you have to give him credit, and you have to admit, it wasn't that bad.

I remember when I saw the movie I totally hated it...I went home and told all my friends how terrible and different it was than the others...I kept complaining to anyone that would listen to me that the new director sucked and if they used the same director for the next few movies that I would strictly go on an HP strike.

But then I saw it again the next weekend and I realized that although it was really different and not as good as PS/SS and CoS, it wasn't as bad as I first thought it was. You can't really say Alfonso screwed it up...maybe the whole scenery thing (Hagrid's hut...BLEGH!), but it was actually really good...apart from a bunch of stuff being cut out from it (QUIDDITCH CUP, DARN YOU! DARN YOU! )

okay i love the 3rd movie better than 1st or second i also think alfonso is a great director but peopel can have a different opinion to that but i still love the 3rd better !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with rggirl. The first two movies were remarkably average as pieces of cinema, and for that I blame Chris Colombus, who I think lacks a certain flair a director needs to craft an interesting movie, no matter how good the subject matter. He did well with the actors; and had a very talented production team working with him but PS/SS and CoS lacked PoA's style. Plot alterations are to be expected, and I don't think the changes made detracted too much from the story. I would have liked to hear about the Marauders and how they are linked to Harry, but by and large, Alfonso Cuaron had made the first Harry Potter movie to live up to its enormous potential.

Alfonso did his best.

In the 1st & 2nd Movie Chris C. sort of made it into a Disneyland.

That went completely against the whole theme of Hogwarts.

This Hogwarts is darker and more edgy..

I hope the new director *sighs* (i don't know his name yet!) keeps the same idea.

I like it.

i agree that alfonso screwed it up a bit. the first time i saw the movie i was angry that he left out so much, and that he changed the set around so much. i just didnt like it very much at all.
then, being the loyal fan i am. i went to see it again, and i saw that even though he did change stuff and leave a lot out, he still kept the magic of harry potter.
and i liked the movie, i think it may be my favourite now.

Hogwarts is dark and edgy in CoS, noticed how every corridor seems to fade away? I think they did a great job with the lighting in CoS. I agree it isn't in PS/SS, but book 1 isn't dark and edgy, so why should the film be?

I was rather dissapointed with the film (and the bridge thing really annoyed me for some reason), but I think it's quite disrespectful to say that anyone who doesn't agree with you isn't a true, loyal Harry Potter fan. JK liked the movie, and I'm pretty sure she's a true Harry Potter fan since she wrote the books!

Yeah the bridge did irritate me a little. But then again it has Daniel Radcliffe and Gary Oldman. So not that upset by the fact that Hogwarts is immensly different.

By the way I am a true HP fan and I resent you for making assumptions about people that you haven't met and don't know much about.

it was great i saw it 2 times

Okay, I assume that your wondering what I'm on about?

I posted this somewhere else, but I kind of wanted this to be more "public". I see that a lot of you are complaining about lack of Marauder thingy or about certain lines or how the scenes go.

The writer of the script is not Cuaron, the director does not write the script, the writer writes the script. Not that I have anything against the movie, I thought it was swell, but some of you do have something against it. So this is just my statement for those who are going off on Cuaron about those silly things. Plus, the Marauder info comes along in the fourth movie... Wow, I use that information too much... *puts hands up in defeat*

Jolly good and... bye!

P.S. Is this post too useless?

Im with u . Its not Cuarons fault, and after all ts a pretty good movie anyway

Hear hear Wednesday!!

I find it really funny that people keep blaming Cuaron for not being faithful to the book when it's Kloves that wrote the screenplay!!

Yes people, as Wednesday said. Kloves firstly writes the script thus deciding what bits from the book goes in and what stays out of the movie. Upon completion of the script, this script is then handed over to Cuaron. Cuaron, the director, essentially is in charge of bringing that script to life, he is the one that establishes the shots, the camera angles, etc etc.

I'm not having a go at anyone's intelligence, but seriously there are quite a number of you guys out there who actually don't see the difference.

Ok, then we'll blame Kloves for the bad stuff! Thanks for the point, I never realized it.

Hahaha yeahhh since the bugger has been getting off scott free all this time eh

I'm glad you didn't take it personally, astronomylover. As I said, it's not to insult anyone's intelligence, it's just that there are some people out there who didn't think to spot the difference, I guess.

Yeah, People keep blaming on Cauron when is not his fault. Kloves is the writer and the person that give lines to actors. I dont really like him at all. Why did he give "If you want to kill Harry, you have to kill us too" line to Hermione? I think he treated Ron character unfairly.

Although I don't understand and can't explain some of the dialogue changes and stuff that Kloves has done, I do respect him a whole lot. And I think what he has done with the 3 movies is brilliant. In the same way like I've been commenting about Cuaron, Kloves has a timeframe to work with as well so he can't write the script so that it mirrors exactly the dialogue from the books. Therefore again, with the time constraint he had, I think he did a remarkable job with the screenplay. This is only just my opinion, of course!!

I, of course, agree with Ashleigh. I really enjoy what he's done and all the little quirks he adds in to make the movies extra enjoyable.

Thank you, Wednesday!!

Yeah I loved all the little quirks he's added too...it may not have been from the book, but who ever says no to extras eh?! More HP the better!!

As I always say, change is not always necessarily a bad thing...

Raa Steve Kloves! Personally I think that the first two movies were worse script wise with all these awkward scenes. Cuaron just addded his touch and what more do we need? I think that some 'Cuaron Bashers' would only be satisfied if they directed it themsleves! Go for it!

I agree with you Kreacher, you can definitely see a marked improvement throughout the 3 and I felt POA was his best written script thus far. I guess as the actors have become so comfortable with their characters, so has Kloves with scripting them. The dialogue jsut seemed to flow much more naturally in POA.

Hahahaha yeahh you said it, mate!! The thing about, as you put it, these "Cuaron Bashers" some of them (note I said SOME) tend to only know how to complain and criticize without much thought of what goes behind producing/creating/filming a movie. What's even more of a challenge is realizing something onto the big screen from a book.

Yeah like you said, if they were to be put in the director's seat, they'd realize that it's not an easy task...and how much better would they do?

I've said this heaps of times, POA is not a perfect film, but Cuaron did the best he could with the timeframe he had to work with. You may not like his artsy-fartsy kinda directing style, but that's his personal stamp. It doesn't make him a bad director, it just means the way he does things is not to your liking. And yes, he did make some changes to the set, but that's only because that was how he envisioned Hogwarts to be.

I was positively delighted (while being emotionless on the exterior) when I saw how he had changed Hogwarts. Everything was then exactly as how I had imagined it, with its vast grounds where every place and significant "objects" were spread out to the land's full usage. Just every new detail was exactly as how I saw it when I read the books.

It looked more like a real castle. More dingy and dirty yet magestic at the same time. The whomping willow actually whomped! Amazing!

Yeah...although, I liked how Columbus visualized Hogwarts, I liked Cuaron's depiction of it so much more!!

Like Kreacher said, it seemed more worn out and aged to show that it's been there for years, but at the same time, it still had that magical feel about it too. And JKR herself said she loved POA best, I'm guessing because probably her own picture of Hogwarts matched closest to Cuaron's vision of Hogwarts.

Wow a whole new post for me to rant on! Ok so here we go...

I really do like Curaon's style, I do, I do but anyway, I would also like to say that although Kloves is a great writer, Curaon had the ability to tell him what he wanted, or to add something he could have. I mean when I was making my movie this summer there was more then one time that my friend and I who wrote the script together ended up changing things last minute and adding things too. So it wasn't like Curaon was completely out of the loop. So I don't think it's completely fair that we bash on Kloves more.

I think we should just agree that no matter what opinions we hold, it was a variety of people involved in the making of the film good or bad and not just one person is to blame for any wrongdoings! Phew!

Raven

I'm not going against Kloves in any way, shape, or form. But most people are blaming certain line changes or things that are left out of the story on Cuaron, all of it, when they don't understand that he was not the writer of the script.

I really like Klove's work... this is just my extremely weird way of saying it.

Hi Raven, long time no hear from!!

Well I'm pro-POA so I'm not against either of them, I think they're both brilliant!!

But as Wednesday said, it's not that we're trying to get people to stop bagging Cuaron but go for Kloves instead, but what we're trying to say is, people need to know the difference between what a scriptwriter does and what a director does.

And yes, I agree that although it's Kloves job to write the screenplay, Cuaron is really the "big boss" of the whole thing, so obviously he can have a say in the script. But like I've said, the ultimate "boss" would be JKR.

That's why I keep saying, people comment and voice their dislike/disappointment, but bear in mind that everything we see on the screen is there because it was met by JKR's approval. So she allowed it...and so what's good enough for her is certainly good enough for me!!

Yeah... Cuaron is allright...

I like they way he added funny scene here and there...especially between Ron and Hermione...

Anyway, it's because PoA that I started to read all HP books...

With the first two, I don't even bother...I mean it didn't strike me as interesting enough to read....

But with PoA...WOW!!

PoA ended up being my favorite of the films, it's beautifully done and it adds things that the first two films didn't bother to include.

I think Cuaron did an excellent job directing, and though there were things cut from the film that perhaps should have been included, other things were added in their place.

Anda, venga ya......

ALFONSO CUARÓN IS THE BEST DIRECTOR OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!!

You need I say more? It's my opinion, but I LOVE HIM!!!!!!

~ESPAÑOLA~

That's what I was trying to say, just to keep your mind open to the fact that it isn't one specific person making decisions on anything, but there are times when someone needs to make FINAL decisions and THAT would be Curaon and JKR... So either way it isn't anyone person that makes "the mistakes".

Raven

zyra123, I'm glad that watching POA has gotten you hooked to the books!! Welcome to our world hehehe

Although Kloves did do the writing for the movies, the directors do have a big hand in the script. They can add, subtract and manipulate the work. It's a team effort all the way around.

This is true...But i honestly don't think either of 'em did that bad a job. Not at all...

I will admit now, that I'm not a massive fan of the movies anyway, I've seen them all no more than three times, I prefer the books, but PoA was definitely the best of the three films just so far, and regardless of things being added or omitted, it conveyed the spirit of the books, which is what counts...

I certainly hope I haven't been made into the bad guy of this topic... although that would usually get me excited...

Naah, definitely now, you were just making a point...

Although, if you like....*yells BOOOOOO and throws garbage at you*
Better?

No you're definitely NOT the bad guy here, Wednesday!!

What eedoe said is true, it *was* a team effort. Kloves may be in charge of the script but obviously coz Cuaron's the director, kinda like the "big boss" of the whole thing, he does get a say.

For me, I think the two important things we need to bear in mind when talking about this issue is - 1) Ultimately whatever decisions have to go through JKR first, so whatever we see on screen has been approved by her, and 2) The whole point of this thread (what I reckon anyway) is to state that there *is* a difference between what a director and a scriptwriter does. Therefore when making comments about POA, we just need to make sure one doesn't "blame" the wrong person...

But, as all of you know, I'm pro-POA so I have no complaints about Cuaron, Kloves or any of the crew!!

I thought PoA was definitely the best one out of the three, my parents agreed as well.

I've been telling my mom all about the fourth and fifth books today, and this time she was actually into it. Especially because she doesn't read the books, just watches the movies. She was extremely surprised when I told her about the chapter "Snape's Worst Memory"....

I thought that this movie was much better than the first 2. i think it put more of the book into the story and i think the acting is gettign better! i know they left some stuff out but it wasnt' really that relevant was it? i meant the movie flowed and such! And i think they actors are better looking now which makes it even more enjoyable to watch! hehe!

I really liked PoA as a film, I didn't at first... but I really grew to love it, and lol at the poll results... this can't be accurate...

It was a perfect replication of the book! [ 2 ] [25.00%]
It was great! Even if they did leave out a teensy bit of stuff! You tell those spiders Ron! [ 21 ] [262.50%]
It was okay, they left some important things out... (cough marauders backround) [ 12 ] [150.00%]
It was corny, Harry doesnt get his broom at the end! [ 2 ] [25.00%]
I liked the books better... [ 2 ] [25.00%]

(262.50% and 150%? lol )

I thought that for everything Cuaron left out, and there were quite a few things... he added in something new and exciting, and though it's not an exact replica of the book (none of the movies are), it was a thoroughly enjoyable and well, incredible film.

It's my favorite of the three by far

It was impressive compared to the first two movies. I just wish they would have explained some of the things more ex. How the maraduers were sirius,remus,peter & james.. etc.