I wonder if even Fudge know what goes on in the dept. of mysteries...

I think he might have an idea but I don't think the Unspeakables would tell him exactly what was going on. He would obviously have to give permission for them to study stuff but he prolly doesn't know how far the reasearch has gone.

I've always imagined the Unspeakables to be unspeakable. Kind of like, "Oh, I'm sorry, that's classified information. If I were to tell you, I'd have to kill you."

I think that Fudge knows what is studied there, of course, but not how it is going, just like TriadOfDarkness said. Fudge isn't the top man, they have a governing board that threw Dumbledore out of Hogwarts (CoS) when Fudge didn't want him to leave.

Good point. Just like you guys, I think that Fudge has a vague idea, but not every detail. If he did, he'd be considered an unspeakable too, right?

He probably doesn't know it all because he won't be the Minister for ever.

i think that he does know about it but doesnt say anything

i think that fudge thinks he knows whats going on in the department of mysterys but really doesnt......... he should be kept from it just like everybodyelse because he wont be minister 4ever and when hes done being minister hed know what was going on and what he should not know as a normal person so i think that they just feed him stuff that isnt true so he thinks he knows and is on top but he really doesnt.[/quote][/b]

I actually think Fudge WANTS to know whats going on in there. The Unspeakables obviously not saying anything, maybe he visits there late at night to wander. There are so many side loopholes in this book its almost fun.

doesnt it make you wonder how the unspeakables got their jobs in the first place?

I think its a trust issue... Somehow the people already in the Department trust this person enough he or she might become an unspeakable... maybe? *shrug* any ideas anyone?

i think it has something to do with that.
maybe, just maybe, they are under a secret spell, so that even if they wanted to, they couldnt tell anyone what goes on in there.
sort of the opposite of what the veritaserum potion does.

[size=9]The Unspeakables are probably under a very powerful Imperius Curse. Or maybe their brains are controlled in the Brain Room, (::shrug:: ) Which other people decide which information they are allowed to release?
Anyway, how did Fudge become Minister when he is so narrow-minded? :?

In my opinion, Fudge doesn't know much about ANYTHING. I mean, he's always pelting Dumbledore with owls for advice. He just likes power, that's all.

I agree!!! He doesn't know much of anything. It's all a popularity contest anyway. Think about it. Before he was asking Dumbledore for all sorts of advice. But the idea of Voldemort returning isn't a very popular one so he doesn't listen. Sounds like American politicians. LOL

I think, Fudge knows nothing about the Dep. of Mysteries. He's only a Minister!

I don't think Fudge knows much. He knows it's there and I think he's content with that. I can imagine him asking an unspeakable about it though:

Fudge: So, what is it you're working on now?
Unspeakable: *blink* *walks away*

And I think Fudge would accept that. He does seem to be kind of an idiot after all...

He was a really crap wizard remember? Dumbledore was wanted for the job because he is the most powerful wizard. I reckon it is a bit out of Fudges intelligence to understand what happens there. Anyway I can't talk What about the time turner?? I'm still confused and I've read it at least once a month since it came out.

i think Fudge does know to some extent what goes on. Though, I think ppl can bribe him to not ask too many questions, remember Lucius, so yeah, as long as he gets money, Fudge wouldnt care whats going on.

Fudge could be paid off for anything. I wouldn't be suprised if Malfoy paid Fudge not to believe DD that Voldemort was back.

*Fudge, You know DD is lying.*

*whoops I dropped this bag of gold*

*can you pick it up?*

Yay I'm a third year now!!!

It is probably the way it was. Remember in GoF in the Top Box Malfoy was there because he had made a donation to St Mungo's.

I wish I were a third year, well I wonder if Lucius is going to continue bribing the Minister, who ever that might be (really had wanted it to be Mr. Weasley), but then again, I dont know if they would accept donations from a Death Eater.

LOL at the "I dropped this bag of gold" thing. That's great... not that far-fetched either lmao. But yeah, I think Fudge knows the jist of things but I don't think he knows much at all (about anything, not just what's going on in the dept. of mysteries)...

I also think its sort of creepy the idea of the unspeakables brains being controlled in the brain room... someone mentioned that... really interesting.... but weird. and I'll be seriously creeped out I think if it turned out to be true.

yeh but how could luscious continue to keep paying of fudge if thats the situation when he was caught in the department of mysteries as a death eater. i think fudge was actually acting on his won part like the 5th book said, he just believed all the rumours especially from luscious because he used to give all those donations. and what does luscious do in the ministry anyway? how does he have all that money? did he inherit it? we know the weasleys are poor but what job is paying luscious so weel that he can brag about it, or am i all mixed up again?

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no i think fudge doesnt know anythign either, like what was said before he's not very good at his job and its soo obvious that he's not a very good wizard btu then why would they have picked him. maybe its because they wanted someone who is useless so that he can sign all the documents and nto really question what happens so that everythign could be covered up or maybe they wanted dumbledore who was in charge rather than have someone in between. ok i dont think thaat really made sense but anyway.

well fudge runs the department and all others, so i would guess he would know,

yup! i think fudge got an idea somehow with the DoM,
since he's the Minister of Magic!
but i think he don't know something about it exactly!
since there are what we call unspeakables!

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Has anyone heard of the political term, plausable denialability? It means if a political official or bureaucrat does not know sensitive information, then the consequences of said ignorance is not that person's responsibility. I think it may apply to the Office of the Minister in magic government.
Also, the Department of Mysteries is exclusive to the other departments because it is not watched over by the Department of Magical Law Enforcement. Our Minister, has the job of taking the whole of the Ministry in a particular direction. This could involve DoM, if he/she aspires to use recent discoveries to progress magic society. Possible examples:

• floo powder
• portkeys
• memory charms
• wolfsbane potion

I don't think that Fudge knew what happenned in the DoM. He might have known a bit but did not have much of an idea. All he wanted was power and didn't care how things were run.

For me, I think he knows it but he just couldn't accept it. Maybe, he knows that it will be his downfall as the Minister. And actually, he's not acting like a Minister...

I doubt that Fudge knows what goes on exactly in the DoM...as was said before I think he knows vaguely what happens...but why would they tell him everything??? that is the point of it be "unspeakable" I mean he is only human and what would stop him from telling the whole world what is happening in there if something happens that he doesnt like??it could ruin everything

He still knows something about DoM but maybe, he's not that type of Minister who could take all of the responsibilities regarding DoM.

It appears my friends that Fudge is as THiCK as cement...with facts floating in front of his face he had no clue..i doubt he knows whats going on..what a shame,and he's supposed to be the Minister of Magic!

I really don't think that fudge has a clue what is going on. and ithink that is the reason he got replaced as he minister of magic. because as every1 knows that harry and Dummbledor were telling the truth and i'm guessing when every1 found out that were really mad at Fudge for making them think that he was an old fool.


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even if fudge knows something his small brain wouldnt be able to comprehend the information

I figure Fudge had no clue. Its the whole concept of plausable deniability. If he doesn't know then he isn't responsible for it...

Hm...Dumbledore previously being an unspeakable? Good point. You see, if you remember in either book 5 or 6, it states that Dumbledore has been offered a job at the ministry several times, but had refused point blank to join (even to become minister of magic. But it could be possible that Dumbledore had previously been an unspeakable, and knew everything that went on there. He may have considered the facts with anger and hatred towards the ministry and how it works. This could actually be the reason Dumbledore declines anything to do with the ministry.
Back to the topic, Fudge I believe is a very weak wizard, and very vulnerable/easy to be attacked. Like I say, by my guess work and predictions, I believe that Fudge does not know one bit of information about the department of mysteries that would be 'useful' to the dark lord, (a.k.a. the best legilimense of all time.) If Fudge had such knowledge, Lord Voldemort could simply view Fudge's thoughts, giving him useful information concerning the department of mysteries. Because of this, I have reason to believe that each 'unspeakable', requires a skill to clear their thoughts before departing to sleep.

Well i completely agree with this 100%. Though i do think that there are some kinks. Like Fudge being a weak wizard. I dont think that the Ministry would let A weak Wizard be Minister. I mean seriously. Although there is proof that he was very nervous and scared to make his own desicions at first. Evidence from the early books saying that Fudge looked for Dumble for advice regularly.

What do you think?

I dont think Fudge knew much about anything happening in the Ministry while he was Minister.

Especially at the end when there we're the break-outs and attacks

he was just too nervous to do anything wich resulted in him getting kicked out of office

I doubt that Rufus knows what goes on in there either

Hmmm True one. I mean he is now most powerful. I think that anyone can figure out anything if the really wanted to. I mean in the fourth book Voldermort Tortured someone so much that he broke a memory charm and i think thats pretty hard or at least takes a while to do it. But he wanted some information and he is willing to kill to get it.

Someone said that Fudge is very stupid, but even Dumbledore said that Fudge wasn't stupid, but he was just oblivious because he wanted to saty ministerfor as long as possible. I think he knows what happens in the Death Room, to an extent though.

Fudge is not brilliant, but he is not stupid either. He knew the general day to day operations of the Ministry. He did not know the details on every little thing. I don't think Fudge much cared what went on in the Department of Mysteries. He, like most others, was satisfied that the work was classified.

I happen to think he is the type of man who would make sure he knew what was going on at all costs. Then, I could see the workers there making up an aliby or something . But I do think Fudge knows. It reminds me of the old rumors of Area 51 and that not even the president knew about it.

Thats what I was thinking as I read through this thread. He knows about the Department of Mysteries, its probably not that big of a secret. Remember at the Death Eater trials, Crouch asked out loud to Karkaroff if the person he was accusing worked in the Department of Mysteries? Arthur Weasley talks about it as well, to Harry. So, I don't think its a huge secret that only certain people know about. Granted, you may have to work at the Ministry to get a general idea of what the Department of Mysteries actually is.

So, I think Fudge knows what it is, or at least that it exists. That doesn't necessarily mean he has control over it...meaning he doesn't inspect the area every day (at least while he was Minister).



I was thinking that as well. I don't know why, but as I read through this thread, before I got to your post, I was making an analogy between Independence Day (the movie) and Harry Potter. Where both the leaders of their respective governments may not have known about these areas within.

I agree with El Barto that Fudge was just satisfied with what was getting done. i do thinbk that he had to have some idea, and had to give permission for certain things to be brought into the Ministry. I'm sure that there are lots of things in there that really shouldn't be down threre, though.

I think Fudge is a magician that likes to be popular and "having power", so after the potter´s dead, Dumbledore give a hard NO when they asked him if he wanted to be the new ministry of magic, after all Howarts is the best way to take care of Harry, since it will be harder that the MoM keep on visiting Howarts..but there was Fudge, a weak person who won´t be making a lot of questions as long as he had everything "under control".
I guess Malfoy work to hard on him..so that Fudge belived him instead of Dumbledore...there for, I belive Fudge didn´t care much about the DoM and he was easy to manipulate. but after the "return", I bet he got a little bit interested on that again and start to ask and demanding answers. I think that as no-one was telling anything, that´s why he was always so stress and in a bad mood during the fifth book, and with Dumbledore trying to protect the DoM, and Malfoy asking him continuously about it, that just make his curiosity stronger...so in conclusion I think at last he wanted to know about it, but he didn´t get any answer, if he does then it will be to dangerous, after all he was close to Malfoy, I bet it woudn´t be hard to drop a little bit of veritaserum on his cup to get info....

I don't think he himself or any other minister knows the exact goings on in The DOM.
But i quess they have to have some information.
As the DOM is called so it's a mystery.
So nobody should fully know all about it.
He would love to know though.

I think the minister of magic knows what goes on in the DoM, to a point..I mean, does the President know everything that goes on in the CIA? nope, two words: plausible deniability. And i agree that the "unspeakables" have a kind of contract spell making it impossible to talk entirely about the goings on in there.

Well i dont think he knows because if he did he did he would have investigated it thoroughly and wanted knowledge of all the mysterious artifacts on the floor.

What about Scrimegour? I am certain that Fudge did not much care what happened in the Department of Mysteries. Rufus however is more clever than Fudge. In wartime, the Department of Mysteries would seem more important. Does Scrimegour know?