eye of the snake
Jul 7 2005, 11:13 PM
Well im new at this, but this question has been itching at me for quit some time, so what do you think is going to fuel Ahrry to fight Voldemort, because you have to admit HArry doesnt want to become a murderer but he also doesnt want to die so...
I think that Voldemort is going to kill someone dear to Harry (ron or Dumbledore) and this is going to make Harry want to fight him and destroy him to get revenge. I dont think though that Sirius is going to be this factor because the one that "killed" Sirius was Bellatrix and Im pretty sure HArry gets her.
So What do you think?
Souljacker
Jul 8 2005, 12:24 AM
Ok I can't find a topic like this, however it appears to be running very closely along the lines of the a prophecy thread
here. If this thread moves in a similar way I'm going to have to lock it because there's very little point in having a duplicate thread as it hampers the full potential of any possible discussion.
This topic is for discussing what motivations Harry may have for fighting and possible killing Volde so I suppose it's starting from a point which assumes the Prophecy is correct and will be fulfilled. This is taken as assumed in this thread so if you want to discuss the question of the possible truth of that part of the prophecy coming true (the murder/murdered? Harry/Volde? part) please do so
here.
darkflux
Jul 8 2005, 12:51 AM
He has no choice, it's kill or be killed and lets not forget he is ment to be the only one who can kill voldemort, if he falls so will the magical world.
Albus-wan
Jul 8 2005, 05:28 PM
I don't think he needs fuel to kill LV, because fuel implies that he needs to find it in him to kill, and that implies that he needs an emotion like hate.
Harry won't kill out of vengeance. This book is partly about Harry growing up, and while adults feel vengeance, it's not a very mature feeling.
Harry will fight Voldemort to protect his friends or the world he lives in or even to remove the fear that he causes from the world, but I think Dumbledore will help him to see that fighting Voldemort using Voldemort's tactics (e.g. AK) will never defeat him.
Piercev3
Jul 8 2005, 05:39 PM
I hope Harry doesn't go after Voldermort in anger but out of desperation. I think, in some random final battle in book 7, Harry will take Voldermort out to prevent him from hurting someone he loves. Hermione or Ron perhaps.
El Verte Veritas
Jul 8 2005, 11:47 PM
Oh darn. I guess I can't add to this forum. Just so you know the Prophecy doesn't think what you think it means. So Harry doesn't have to kill Voldemort. In fact the one who will kill Voldemort is Pettigrew... But thats another theory..
razzberry2
Jul 9 2005, 02:13 AM
| QUOTE |
| In fact the one who will kill Voldemort is Pettigrew... But thats another theory.. |
You should probably start a thread for that one El Verte, a most interesting idea.
I dont think Harry really needs any more cause to despise Voldemort.

I think in OotP when he realizes that V is responsible for destroying so many lives he has enough. But I, like others here, do not think Harry will do something as simple as hunt V down and throw a killing curse his way. Not at all characteristic of Harry.
I think it far more likely that V will be destroyed by something of his own doing. (maybe something he has already done)
*cough* thetakingofharrysbloodinthegraveyard *cough*
Louise
Jul 9 2005, 11:32 AM
Actually, I had a similar idea myself about Pettigrew killing Voldemort back last year some time. Lordy knows where that's gone though....probably one of the prophecy threads somewhere I would imagine. If I dig it out, I'll post the link later.
But I don't think there's any need for a who will kill Voldy thread - there are enough generic ones here where that idea can be discussed.
Try a search on 'Prophecy', 'dead', 'dies' or 'kills' - there are plenty of them about...
Winduu
Jul 9 2005, 04:51 PM
I think that harry will kill bellatrix also but i think pending the m.o.m i think there might be a kill stage affect for defence of any wizard......example the order can kkill the enemy considering there will be no place to hold them without them getting away.....
it might just be kill on sight or capture interrogate and then killl.......like if able capture would be like a post from the ministry
Amy_Marie
Jul 9 2005, 08:09 PM
I think that in the end someone's death will probably fuel Harry to kill Lord Voldemort. We all know Harry get's angry...
I think that he could kill Voldemort at this very moment in the books (if only his magic was strong enough). He seeks revenge for the deaths of his parents. If it weren't for Voldemort he would have -real- family. He would have a -real- home. I am sure Harry also blames Voldemort for Sirius's death.
But perhaps it is that one more death that will fuel Harry to kill him. Ron? Hagrid? Dumbledore? The one more love lost that will drive Harry to murder.
Then again, Harry has always been one to do what is right. Will he really feel bad about killing someone as evil as Voldemort? Will he need more fuel than the fact that Voldemort is evil?
magically delicious
Jul 9 2005, 09:00 PM
Firstly, if the prophecy is true, it's either kill Voldemort, or be killed by him. I don't think Harry is going to to choose the latter.
The fact that Voldemort killed Harry's parents is probably one factor that will fuel him. I also think that Voldemort may kill someone close to Harry (my guess is Ron), which will obviously fuel Harry's hatred of and anger toward Voldemort. And he also could blame Voldemort for Sirius' death, even though Bellatrix Lestrange actually killed Sirius.
Piercev3
Jul 10 2005, 01:41 PM
ok,
I gotta ask. I keep seeing mom or m.o.m. referenced. What does that stand for? PLEASE forgive my ignorance on this issue.
I think I agree with the wormtail theory. It makes sense and prevent Harry from being a killer, which I DON'T think he is.
razzberry2
Jul 10 2005, 03:32 PM
^ MoM stands for the Ministry of Magic.
And I appologise to El Verte for inciting you to make a topic that already had a thread.
The only thing I can see that will drive Harry to actually
kill Voldemort is if Voldemort kills one of Harry's nearest and dearest, right in front of him. But I dont want to believe that cos I dont really want any more of them to die.
the accomplice
Jul 11 2005, 02:44 AM
I dont rember where but some where jkr said that a weasly willl die ill post the link if i find it
Ian Adams
Jul 11 2005, 07:39 AM
Harry definitely has a score to settle with Bellatrix Lestrange, as does Neville. I don't rule out the possibility of Neville and Harry teaming up to take down the one who destroyed their families (Neville's parents, and Sirius). Neville definitely crossed a threshhold in "Phoenix" and it's going to be interesting to see how J.K. develops his character from here.
I would find it unrealistic and unnatural for Harry not to kill Voldemort out of anger, but the question is, is Harry's anger righteous anger? The thing about that is, we know that righteous anger will not enable Harry to cast an Unforgivable Curse (as Bellatrix put it when Harry tried it on her). There must be another way for Harry to kill Voldemort. The Sword of Gryffindor, perhaps? Only J.K. knows right now, eh?
I do share the opinion that it will be the deaths of more loved ones (not to mention the deaths of civilians in general, wizards and Muggles alike) that will finally push Harry to the edge. At this point in the story, Harry has only begun to see, to understand what the war with Voldemort is going to cost him, and the Wizarding world. Throughout "Half Blood Prince" and Book 7, Harry will definitely see and experience more of Voldemort's evil that will fuel his anger.
Proffesionalcougar
Jul 11 2005, 04:50 PM
The death of snape will push Harry over the edge. I picture:
The ootp is all but defeated, dumbledore is dead, the magical world is in crisis and snape and harry put their differences aside to confront voldy. snape dies in an effort to save harry and to make things more unpredictable the death of someone he bitterly hated will drive harry to murder.
kermer
Jul 12 2005, 06:52 PM
if harry ends up killing voldemort, i dont think that he will do it with avada kedavra.. as someone said.. righteous anger won't kill someone. i like the idea of godric's knife killing him--or maybe he will find out from DD what is worse than death. remember at the end of OotP when DD said that there are things worse than death? hmm..
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