I know from IMDb.com that Charlie, Bill and Percey aren't in the film , but does anyone know if Pigwidgeon will be there ?

*sigh*

All right, I'll let this one stay and change the title to reflect all character cuts.

Most cuts have already been discussed in the pinned thread 'GoF cuts' though, and some characters already have their own threads, such as Molly Weasley and Ludo Bagman, so please...to all people reading this...don't go creating any more...

It's a little bit strange for me, Ludo Bagman missing from the GoF movie, because when I was reading the book, he was a really suspicious character, and I thought that behind his jovial mask he is the servant of Voldemort. But still, I can accept his lack.

(I was missing Peeves and Professor Binns too, from the earlier movies)

I think Pigwidgeon won't be cut, because in a TV spot I saw a very tiny owl, and I'm sure it was Pig.

hmm
If we are not to see anything of Ludo Bagman.. does this mean Harry will not dive into Dumbledore's pensieve?
Because he sees Ludo there when he was charge for being a Death-Eater.
I think it's sad that they have to make so many cuts.. not to think of OoTP which is the biggest book of all and therefor they'll make a really large amount of cuts. But i'm sure the movies will be exelent.

Percy not being in the movie is a bit odd. It is here the first symptoms to what he's about to do in OoTP. Betraying Dumbledore and the Order and all that.

Not seeing Ludo Bagman does not mean that the whole Pensieve scene is cut, but perhaps he will only see Igor Karkaroff, Bellatrix Lestrange, and the most important: Barty Crouch Jr.
Yes, it is sad there are so many cuts, but I think GoF was full of not-important parts, so I accept it.

GACK! I really wanted to see the Weasleys! I wonder if that means that Harry won't have anyone for him there in the final task- considering Bill and Mrs Weasley come along to support him. Charlie wasn't that big of a character, but if Bill isn't around it will be interesting to see how they explain him and Fleur later.

I thought Percy would be in it, considering he shows up a lot and is kinda blamed for the whole 'not-noticing-Crouch-was-under-spell' thing.

i think that they could have done so much better on these movies. they cut a lot of charactors that were important to the plot. i think it will be a good movie, but still, it copuld have added 30 minutes to an hour on.

what? ludo and percy not in the movie? that would be so weird! since percy is a judge, and ludo is a judge too....and ludo is the reason why fred and george are acting so strange troughout the book....hmmm...i hope you guys are wrong

Well yes it strange, but again time restriction! I would love to have 3h movies but Hollywood fast food restriction to a bout 2 to 2:30h bahhh!

One thing, the sean with the judges is not that important, dont forget that in the book the chamber was dark and you could berly see the judges! so if it save you time and $$$ why not cut it?

When I found out that Ludo, Bill, Percy, and Charlie were not in it, I was baffled. I could probablt understand Bill and Charlie, but Percy? I mean, like mentioned before he is a judge, like Ludo. Percy had like what, one or two minutes in PoA, so one or two minutes being a judge couldn't hurt.

Ludo was an important character. I mean, he was the announcer at the World Cup and the Triwizard Tournament. He shows up everywhere trying to help Harry. He even coordinated the World Cup, being Head of the Magical Games and Sports thingy. He, too, was also a judge. He also was accused of being a Death Eater when Harry was in the Pensieve. So yeah, Ludo should be in the movie.

i think fleur delacour is going to be horrible in the movie... she doesn't look anything like i thought she would, she is a half veela she was supposed to be very beautiful, and i think she is nasty looking..

i think victor is going to be smaller in this film, with long hairs....

Pigwidgeon is not cut from the movie there are promotional images of GoF on the internet, and on one of them you can see Cho with Pigwidgeon. And it's a shame that Percy, Bill and Charlie aren't in the movies, I would love to see them. And Ludo in my eyes he was an important charakter. Such a shame...

Yes, I especially wanted to see Bagman in this movie. Indeed, quite a shame. I was also very surprised that they cut Percy out of the movie- it really would have shown the beginning of his 'ministry over family' thing. Maybe they want it to sort of come as a surprise in OotP? I don't know.
Well, they had to do what they had to do, I suppose.
--Gin

Someone had posted in another thread that Winky has been cut too. This is a tragic cut. She is the one who steals Harry's wand inthe top box and gives it to Barty Jr. under the invisibility cloak which is the one who casts the dark mark.

How in the world Are they going to pull this one off? If they just delete it all and all, there is going to be a major mind blowing surprise missing from the story.

I meen, who was not astonished when everything about Winky and Barty Jr unfolded?

AAAAAAARRRRG!!! I am becomming so upset with these movies. I am almost to the point that I am not even sure I want to see the movie. After POA I am not getting very excited about this one.

<Smacks WB upside the head>

Dang, I really wanted to see those characters in the movies. To me, Ludo Bagman was an important character in the book, but he hasn't really been in the other two books, so the director/screenwriters might not see him as important. As for Percy, I'm quite surprised. How else are they going to describe his transition to the whole "My family is wrong, the ministry is right" opinion? Charlie and Bill I can sort of understand, but how will they explain the Bill/Fleur relationship in later books?

i just read there was to be no winky....are they serious?!?! how on earth will they explain the empty seats...or the stolen wand? erg, or ludo, that is just a stupid cut in my opinion. i can understand the weasleys but bagman was so important. i agree with the previous posts....i want to give wB a good smack...

This is really ridiculous!! Charlie and Bill, fine. [But that does leave a task scene different.] But Bagman and Winky?! Gosh, those at the WB are complete idiots.

I am really wondering if they can pull this movie off without Percy. He seemed quite important to the whole crouch situation. Also I think Dobby and Winky are left out as well! Also the Ludo Bagman thing is really annoying because he was funny!
Also, leaving out Bill & Charlie means that there's alot to explain when Bill gets with fleur and Charlie shows Hagrid the Dragons.

i can't believe they cut the Dursleys! i wanted to see the scene where Uncle Vernon snorts in disgust at his grapefruit quarter and then has a really funny fight with Harry about the QWC.

i don't think we're going to see much of Sirius either. i think he only has one scene and that's the fireplace when he's talking to the trio at school...i wanted to see him in Hogsmeade too!!

i wish Sean Biggerstaff would show his face in this film, as Oliver Wood at the QWC, he is sooooooo fit!!

I can live without Crouch and Ludo Bagman. However, the missing Winky elf is almost too much. It's kind of liike cutting Peeves from all of the movies so far. They are missing some serious laughs by cutting him out. That is what I miss the most.

I read somewhere that they are reworking the whole "darkmark at the QWC scene". It is nothing like in the book, but with the same desireed ending. harry getting knocked out and such... Oh wel...I wish they would cast more Weasleys. It seems a shame to miss out on them. Also, someone posted that it will make the whole Fleur/Bill thing seem odd. I agree. For people who watch the movies and don't read the book, it will seem very odd t all of a sudden have them getting married. But, in Hollywood, one nicely written dialgue between 2 characters can explain a lot, you know? They can cut many things out, but it's stil not the same...

Im disappointed that they will cut characters from the film because they are all significant and important in there own way. JK wouldnt have put them in the book if they didnt matter. On ther other hand I am thrilled that they didnt cut Cedric Diggory out because the actor IS sooooo Hot!! have you guys seen the pictures of him oh my! But Dan will always be the king of my heart. teheheh

I aint sure, but that is so **** stupid if Charlie Bill and Percy aint in the Film i really wanted to meet them, and now who is going to be tamin the dragons when Hagrid shows Harry..

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WOW! I had not heard of all these cuts until I read this thread. I kinda assumed Charlie wouldn't be in the movie but I agree with most of the previous posts about Bill, Bagman, and Percy. The three of them had roles that explain a lot in the book but also set the stage for things to come in the next books. I think Bagman trying to help Harry with everything should have been important enough to keep. Also, I didn't realize how much of a git Percy was until I read the books. None of the movies would give the apperance that Percy is capable of what he becomes and this book is the biggest part of the change. I think he should have had at least enough of his scenes kept so that it makes more sense when he turns on his family. As for Bill, I think that his role in general was small enough to edit except for the fact that it really will take more time and effort in the 5th movie to explain his relationship with Fleur. And Winky being cut for most of the movie would really have been ok too but I think they should have left her in the scene with the dark mark. I'm interested to see how the portray that now.

Sheri

Umm, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Bagman in this picture here from the Theatrical trailer? Because that's who I thought it was, and if not I have no idea who it is.

But as for the other two I think that really sucks becaue, I thought at least, they were pretty important to the story.

That's a really good question but Bagman isn't on any list for the cast. Does anyone know/remember if Fudge wears glasses? The picture of Fudge on Mugglenet looks like it could almost be the same person, if looked at in the right light, but he isn't wearing glasses and the pic above has a man wearing glasses.

Sheri

Well I'd have to say that it's definetly not Fudge, unless of course they've chaged who plays him, which they may have. But if they haven't I'd say that this picture is Bagman. And no, Fudge doesn't wear glasses, not even in the books.

I wonder if it might be Amos Diggory, Cedric's dad? In the books he's always going on and on, raving about Cedric's accomplishments. It wouldn't surprise me if he was out there, showing off his son and already bragging about how he's going to find the cup first.

The man with Cedric is Amos Diggory, his name if Jeff Rawle, http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0712575/. I cannot believe that they cut Bagman and Winky!!!! Why would they? It's not like they would make the movie that much longer. I was excited for Bagman and Winky, I am pissed!!!!

I too was looking forward to seeing Winky. I wondered if they would make look much like her description in the book, and if she would be "so ugly she's cute" as Dobby is.

This makes me think that the entire underplot regarding Hermione and the S.P.E.W. will also be cut from the films. She doesn't really even know about house elves until she meets up with Winky.

NOTE: Since posting this, I've read that yes, S.P.E.W. has been cut. Bummer.

I worked on the goblet of fire film and don't expect to see these characters:

Dudley dursley

Vernon dursley

Petunia dursley

Ludo bagman

Charlie weasly

Dobby

Winky

The sphinx

Buckbeak

What?! They are cutting Dobby and Winky? They cannot do this.I was so happy to see Dobby again and I wanted to see Winky. Okay I dont care about the Dursleys but how can they cut they cut Charlie? Hes a new character they have to show him! Now, I am really disappointed

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Wasn't him Ludo Bagman? This picture was in front page of veritaserum not so long ago, and I remember it said he was Bagman.
I realluy disapointed that there aren't Charlie and Billy. I know they aren't so important in book, but I think they would have looked so cool!

Hi Marire,

That's Barty Crouch, Jr. in the foreground. The guy in the cage is Karkaroff. I wasn't sure which one you meant. He's got nice hair, though, doesn't he? And I remember Ludo being described as having very nice hair.

I was totally devastated when I learned that Winky and Dobby were going to be cut out. It will be interesting though to see how they handle the Quidditch World Cup without her.

I agree with missing the characters, especially the weasleys. The movie is the most expensive made (to date) and is supposedly around 157 minutes long so if cuts had to be made - I can understand. As a true fan, I would have loved there to be two movies... Released in the same year. One in spring and one in fall maybe, but now I'm just dreaming.

I know it is kind of minor in the grand scheme of things, but I really wish we could have seen the sphinx. I loved the maze and all the puzzles involved. *shrug* Oh well...

I can not believe how many cuts they are making!
the weasleys are some of the most important, not to mention entertaining characters to me. i really became attached to them as i read the books.
so if there is no charlie or bill, does that mean the whole marriage and phlegm thing is gone?
why do you all think they cut the elves? if they were considered so minor, and they'll have to cover those parts with something, they cant be saving that much time on the whole, can they?
*sigh* i know its not possible to keep all the details, but it is still so scandalizing to me....

To be honest, I was prepared for a lot of cuts, and, don't get me wrong, it upsets me (if it was up to me, I'd have the whole book in). But I got to the thinking that film versions and book versions are always going to have differences, and in some cases, the bits that are cut out are only little sub plots, so Im hoping it doesnt affect the future films at all.

The ones Im most upset about are the Dursley's (to me having them at the start made it a HP film, they represented the real world, before going back to Hogwarts, so Im annoyed) and also Bagman and Winky, Bagman to me represented a plot which sees George and Fred get the winnings at the end to secure their start in the joke business, I'd like to see if they are changing that. As for Winky, I think changing the start so that Barty Crouch Jnr is already seen with Voldemort not only takes away the suspense of the book, but also takes away SPEW, which was a small sub plot I know, but it showed the attitude about other races, which can be seen further in OOTP (Umbridge and the centaurs??)

Anyway rant over. Im hoping the omissions don't affect the film that much, and that I'll love it anyway

~Sticks

Does anyone know if they are going to cut the scene when Hermione kisses Harry on the cheek? I hope not. And if they do leave it in, I hope that they don't make it seem like anything more than a friend kissing a friend after a very tramatic experiance. Even so, it is still so sweet!

making cuts like this is risky
they may be important in the future

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OH my they cut all the funny bits about Percy in the 3rd movie. THey cant cut Percy from the 4th film he has a more important role now. As for Bill and Charlie well when are they thinking of introducing them in the films then? THe CANT leave out Bill because he is important in the 6th book!!!!! Ludo Bagman is another important(ish) character. The house elves rock and Winky is the one who has to keep Barty Crouch sr, secret about Barty crouchJr still being alive. I dont think I will EVER get over the fact that the Dursleys are not going to be in this film. Its their funniest part!!! *sobs into hands* Lets just thank our lucky stars they didnt cut the beginning out when LV and Wormtail have their talk. I feel really bad for those who havent read the books but just relied on the films to tell them the story. They wil miss a lot. In the last film the showed that Sirius gave Harry his fire bolt at the end. WHich we know was wrong i hope they dont make a Major edit like that again. though it did have a nice effect on the end when harry flew off lol

Yeah that is sad that ludo isn't in it....and also Winky....she is a major part of the book but i'm sure this is going to be the best potter film yet and i'm very excited to see it!

sort-of SPOILER WARNINGS! - but no major plot twists given away or anything, so relax.

I saw the film in a preview last week (but will still be attending a showing tomorrow afternoon). I can confirm the following characters do NOT appear in the film:


* No Dursleys (Vernon/Petunia/Dudley) - Hoping they'll show up in a deleted/bonus scene on the DVD release, but I doubt it. Darned shame, I hope they're included for OotP.
* No Molly Weasley, nor Bill, nor Charlie, nor Percy (Charlie is mentioned, though). When contestants are accompanied by their families prior to the final task, Harry is joined by Moody.
* No Dobby or Winky (no House-Elfs, no S.P.E.W.)
* No Ludo Bagman - his functions are replaced by Cornelius Fudge
* No Lestranges (Bellatrix, Rodolphus, or Rabastan)
* No actual Quidditch playing, just the team intros & focus on Krum
* No presentation of Veela
* No monsters in the final maze
* I honestly don't recall if Pigwidgeon is featured, but I don't think so.

* NO SIRIUS BLACK. Most rude in my opinion, after the 3rd movie. There is a fireplace conversation between Harry & Sirius, but Sirius' face is done up in CGI as embers in the fire. Gary Oldman does the voiceover, but not appear in person on screen in this movie. That's a travesty.

Certain aspects of the story are changed around to reincorporate Barty Crouch, Jr. into the story. For book loyalists, some of the departures are radical, but the story is brought about to work properly. All of the necessary plot lines are restructured around the existing cast.

Minimal on-screen/script time is allocated for Snape or Hagrid, but McGonagall & Filch get some non-book bonus scenes for comedic relief. Neville's dramatic moment is acted out very well, and his reaction to Moody's lesson is explained late in the film. The first task CGI is incredible. This is the best dragon on movie video ever (IMHO).

Ralph Fiennes is an excellent Voldemort, and that whole sequence is done marvelously - albeit much quicker on screen than in the book. Little kids will have nightmares. The Cedric scene made my wife cry, it was intense.

But the best part, the most coy & entertaining scene of the movie, and cause for some parental discretion, is Moaning Myrtle ... I must admit, the on-screen presentation is even better than the character in the book. She's a jewel in this movie, and her "special" moment with Harry is going to upset some Puritans.

All seen and done, though - it's an excellent film. See it soon!

it was not only ludo bagman and peeves who wasn't there, also the house elves dobby and winky and the rest of the skewts. harry still dived into Dumbledore's pensieve, only ludo bagman's not there. the film was nice also the effects, but there are soo many cuts that everything went so fast. as to cho chang's role, the girl who portrayed cho chang's really cute but the story between them of harry doesn't seem convincing. but ralph fiennes really did his part on that film, he's perfect for the role of Lord Voldemort

Well, having now seen the film I don't have too many complaints regarding the character cuts:

* Dursleys - they didn't really bring anything to the story in itself
* Weasleys - Can see why Molly and Charlie were left out but I think they'll probably wish later that they'd left Bill in
* House-Elfs - Thank god for that
* Ludo Bagman - I'd forgotten all about him actually. I don't think he'll be missed much though, his story isn't very interesting to be honest and the trial would be just as good with the focus just on Igor and Barty Jr
* Lestranges - Hmm... I think it's easier to leave them out for now but would not have objected to seeing them in it
* Quidditch - I was looking forward to the match actually, kind disappointed when it was skipped
* Veela - I can live without it
* Maze monsters - I think it was spookier as it was actually
* Pigwidgeon - Again, not critical and easier to exlcude than to explain

However
* Sirius Black - Leaving him and his scene with Snape out exposes a plot-hole, and I think, is a mistake
* Cornelius Fudge - Needed to feature more, as did the ministry

I've now seen the flick twice, and, though I liked it the first time around, I really liked it the second. As far as the cuts are concerned. . .I'm glad they left out the house elves, as well. I know people really like them, but this way it gives Neville more of a spotlight.

I only missed the Dursley's for continuities sake. . .

I know that Bagman had a large role in the books, but he really isn't to important to keep the plot going: it was one of those sub-plots that viewers don't really need.

The Lestranges, I agree, were easily left out . . .though I think they'll have some script revision problems from how they told some of the background story (makes me wonder if they'll be in the films at all actually).

I think there was a gross underuse of Sirius Black. . .so, he might as well have been cut out for all we saw of him.


I missed Molly, but was not surprised that they left out Percy, Charlie and Bill. . .also makes me wonder if Bill will be put into any of the movies (yes, I know. . .I can already hear you complaining at me in shock that I would actually think something like that).

An inconsiquential cut that I was a bit surprised at were the girls from Durmstrang and the boys from Beauxbatons. Would it have been that bad? Oh and well.

There was actually so much in the movie, that I didn't really mind most of the cuts that took place.

I haven't seen this one yet (Sunday ) but I'm already quite dissapointed with few things. I can understand a lot in films but in my opinion leaving Lestranges was a bad idea. Bellatrix is quite important in next books so they would have a problem in future. Pity there's no Dursleys and ton-tongue toffi but ok i know there would be to much confusion with it. I think i will miss "Weatherby" that one was great. The WORST thing is no Snape-Black confilkt at the end. I'm SO sad about that. Somebody could say that's no so important but I was looking forward for it. They should show their "lovely" relations. That's one of my favourites moments (if i don't count graveyard scene off course ) The end of my complains. I hope the rest will be cool. Sorry about possible mistakes.
Take care;)