Just to clarify, the pictures in the headmasters office are of PAST headmasters, not dead ones. Being dead is not a requirement to get a picture in the headmasters office. Also of note... the picture did not show any signs of movement.

As for running the school, I'm not entirely sure that is wasn't Dumbledore doing that... I'm only suggesting that the Dumbledore that Harry saw may not have been the real deal

- Slew -

I dont think your debt can be cleared because the person dies. It is probably passed down to the next person in need, and on my list that would be harry. and pettigrew was personally saved by harry in poa so they both owe their debt to him, how they are going to repay it or if they are I don't know. I wonder what happens if you don't repay the person...

i dont think anything happens to that person i think its like a tradition that must be followed by all witches and wizards

so if wormtail is a wizard with firm beliefs he will keep to it

Also in the begging why was wormtail in snapes home
i know snape treated him like %^&8 but that was because in school he was with serius and the rest of the crew toturing him
but there has to be something else there

I think that the life-debt theory is very interesting.....but it might just be an honorable thing. I'm not sure how it works, maybe there isn't any real bond and wizards who save other wizards lived feel it's their obligation to pay them back, not their duty. Well, if that's the case then I wouldn't count on him doing anything to repay Harry because he isn't ver honorable......but maybe their is an obligation and he'll have to risk his life to save Harry's. DD did make it sound like Wormtail would help Harry in some way so maybe that'll come in to play in the 7th novel. DD was right when he said that it wasn't wise for Voldemorts servant to be in Harry's debt.

As for the Wormtail/DD switch.....I don't believe that. DD would never compromise anyones life to save his, even if it is Wormtail. It just seems unlikely....but I'll keep an open mind to the possibility. Wormtail and DD don't seem like the kind of people to do things like that.

Hi guys! I wanted to point out to you that we've already got a thread where you can discuss Snape's debt to Harry and James here, so I'd appreciate it if you could keep this conversation to Wormail's debt. I'm going to modify the topic title to make this more clear for anyone who is just browsing through the threads. Also, simply as a point of interest, here's the link to the Pre-HBP topic about Snape's and Wormtail's debts to Harry. In case you'd like to draw on any pre-Book Six inspiration.

i really don't think wormtail will have any debt to harry becasue he was the one who got harry's parents killed, an dhe didn't care... and i don't think he is going to care at all that harry saved is life in the third book because look at the end of the fourth book when wormtail was cutting harry to give voldemort his blood, he could have saved harry then if he wanted to and given him the portkey and leave... but he didn't

If you remember from POA dumbledore said that 1 day harry would be glad that he saved peter pettigrews life. Then later in GOF wormtail received a silver hand.

I think what will happen is sometime in the 7th book Harry will be fighting with Fenrir and will get into a bit of trouble. Wormtail at that time will be assisting Fenrir like how he was assisting Snape. He'll notice that Fenrir is about to kill harry and use his silver hand to kill Fenrir.

I may be quite off but the more I think about it the more it seems right. Peter will fulfill his debt to Harry and he'll kill fenrir with his SILVER hand. Everyone knows that silver kills a werewolf.

What you guys think?

Hrm, well done! I think that's quite a good theory, actually! You're right, silver does kill werewolves- and Jo makes it known that Wormtail doesn't just get any old hand from Voldemort, but a silver one. What a way for Fenrir to meet his fate! I must say, though, I think you're probably right about this. Cheers!
-- Gin

I remember an interview somewhere where JKR is asked if Worktail's silver hand will kill Remus in the final book, and she laughed it off with that "Great imagination, but no" response she's famous for. However, she wasn't asked about Fenrir. I like the thought!

Oi! Great idea hmm...why didnt i think of that??? Nah, that is very logical and that has just been put into place in my book at how Wormtail will repay Harry.

Well, honestly, I am slapping myself for not thinking about something like this sooner. So simple, but yet, genious. But to touch up, I think that Fenrir might try and bite Harry, but instead gets Wormtail's silver hand by "mistake."

Hey good thinking, BaSiLiSk! It's a great idea and one that is plausible. I also think that it shows just how... i guess overconfident (for lack of better terms) Voldemort is; he gives Wormtail the silver hand- a death eater in debt to Harry and recruits Fenrir for his cause. I can't wait to see if that's going to be the case.

My hat's off to you! Tis an excellent theory. Everybody else has been so wrapped up in the thought of wormtail being moony's downfall that the thought of there being other werewolves kinda flow out the window. Way to think outside the box BaSiLiSk. Wish I had thought of it. I definitely think that you are right.

- That Old Black Magic

Where in the books does it say silver kills warewolves? Or is this just common knowledge that I dont know?

I thought silver killed vampires?

Hmm that is a good thinking but there is one flaw to it. Wormtails hand is not pure silver. Pure silver will kill a werewolf. Wormtails hand was destribed as a silver-looking hand that Voldemort created for him at the grave yard. It is a good theroy though, I never did think that thats how Wormtail would repay his debt.

It would be an awfully strange twist, wouldn't it? Wormtail, who's known for being weak and cowardly... and then on the other hand, you have Fenrir, who's an absolute beast... (in more ways than one.) I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks Fenrir's death at the 'hand' of Wormtail would be very odd, and almost ironic. Hey, I'm buying it, through and through. We'll just have to wait and see, I suppose!
-- Gin

Its confirmed by JK rowling that Wormy wont kill Lupin, and Ill bring up the link if I can find it. I have a feeling there will be a werewolf brawl though, or something along the lines of Lupin fighting Greyback in some way. Ill be back with the website..

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This is from a website that has quotes from JK Rowling.

http://www.madamscoop.org/themes/book7.htm

At the bottom, or near it, it should say 'Wormtail wont kill Lupin,' and even though you cant access the direct quote by JK, it should be good enough.

Hey Nice theory. It might be correct coz silver will kill a werewolf.

Thx guys. I was also wondering how big of a role do you think that Fenrir and Wormtail will play in the 7th book. Fenrir was just introduced in HBP and wormtail has played minor roles in the other books. So what you guys think?

i think this theory will come to a pass in book 7. and if it does and the what dumbledore said is right about a wizard owing another wizard for saving his life snape should be on the goodside since he owes harrys dad.

Well, like me, a lot of people seem to think that this theory will come to pass in the 7th book. But this brings up a new question. If Fenrir is killed, doesn't that mean that moony will no longer be moony? It's legend that if the alpha werewolf dies, then all the werewolves that he created by biting them will be cured. So, instead of wormtail being the down fall of Remus, maybe he saves Harry and inadvertently cures Remus all at once.

- That Old Black Magic

Think I mentioned somewhere else that Snape owed James the same life-debt that Wormtail owes Harry - this could be the reason why Dumbledore is able to trust him, because he is bound by a very powerful ancient magic.

Sorry if that appears off-topic but it just seemed to fit there!

I would like to throw my two cents in because I also was thinking about this. I love the theory! I saw on Wikapedia that Peter was in Gryffindor. I have a hard time believing that he was put in that house for nothing. Yes, he might be a coward when it doesn't count, but when it comes down to it, I believe he will be redeemed. As for the hand not being silver, I think it is more than just a descriptor. Well at least my two cents.

Here's an interesting thought. Does Harry owe Snape?????
I mean he probably saved his life in PS/SS in the quiditch scene with Quirell.

Hello guys and girls I was just thinkin about some of the things that has not been played out so far in any of the books and what may happen in book 7. This came to mind while I was reading GOF. I came across the chaper in which the Dark Lord comes back, chapter 32 I believe, anyway in that chapter as we all know the Dark Lord comes back by way of using a cauldron and adding certain ingriedients to it one was Potter's blood andother was the Dark Lord's body at that time and finally WORMTAIL'S HAND. Now (growl) I'm think'in that when in POA when Dumbledore told Potter, "Pettigrew owes his life to you. You have sent Voldemort a deputy who is in your debt....When one wizard saves another wizard's life, it creates a certain BOND between them... and I'm much mistaken if Voldemort wants his servant in the debt of Harry Potter." and down further Dumbledore backs it up by saying, "This is magic at it's deepest, it's most impenetrable, Harry. But trust me... the time may come when you well be very glad you saved Pettegrew's life." Now (growl) I think this will come into play in book 7 possibly in the last battle between Potter and the Dark Lord. I think since Wormtail used a part of his body to help bring the Dark Lord back and that he, Wormtail, is in debt to Potter means that will be what holds the Dark Lord back from wiping Potter out at a crucial time. Also since it was Wormtail's havd I believe that one of the Dark Lord's hands (proably his wand hand) is what will not react. Let me know what you think? If this has been said before.....my apologies.


On a side note one of the things that Dumbledore said in POA has already happened. That's Potter gettin tired of people sayin he looks like his Father and that he has his mother's eyes, we see this in HBP when Potter's talkin to Slughorn.

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Wow PolyjuiceMoody, I been thinkin the same thing! I've been waiting for that part to come round, and it will proably be in the crucial part like the battle between Harry and Voldy.

I don't think that something will happen to Voldy himself, just that he will stepp in front of a curse to save harry or take voldy's wand, or something.

Anyway, good on ya for bringing it up, it'd be interesting to see what everyone else thinks!
PS: nice growling!

Personally I like the possessed hand going awol and having to see voldy chop it off like in idle hands. HEHE, than he would be even more disfigured and would have a handicap against harry, using your wand with teh opposite hand, is that weird or what. Nice theory though!!

Ooh, there's already a post about this, you know? But anyways...I think that it will end in some way. I think that Pettigrew will save Harry somehow. Yanno? Like...Voldy's about to finish him off and then he steps in. Like, if Harry's killed, he would've lost his chance to clear himself of Harry's debt. Or...maybe it could be that it will end up like Severus and James. James died so Severus felt he had to save Harry to clear himself of James' debt. Makes sense...but Harry won't live to have kids. Oh, that's so sad.

Yes, great theory, PolyJuice Moody!

I've seen it many times before and just sit and wonder what it may be that Wormtail will do to fill his "debt" to Harry...

I like Padfoot12's idea of him stepping in front of an Unforgivable curse or something to save Harry's life, or taking Lord Voldemort's wand so he is powerless....

Yet I was thinking more along the lines of switching sides (again...that stupid rat ) to the Order or helping Harry locate Horcruxes to ultimately get rid of Voldemort.

Whatever it is, I'm holding it on JK Rowling to keep this part in the book!


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Snape is definately still indebted to james because just *protecting* someone isnt enough to repay a person who saved your life...
also wormtail is in debted to harry as he saves his life when sirius and lupin are about to finish him off..
so basically in the end we will find that snape has been protecting harry all along and voldermort would probably kill him for betraying him...wormtail will also switch over to harrys side...i mean there was a reason wormtail was in GRYFFINDOR...

I didn't read the posts before this one, I just wanted to give my opinion.

Snape
Definately still in debt, he tried to relieve himself of the debt by trying to save Harry in SS, but was unsuccessful. so we will see this pan out in the seventh book

Pettigrew
I don't think that Harry will be repaid quite the same way as with Snape. Pettigrew doesn't show any signs of goodness, his fear of death will keep him serving the dark lord for as long as he is alive. Once his life is threatened, say by voldy himself or by another DE wher he knows 100% that he is going to die is where he will help, by mentioning important information, like where a horcrux is or Voldy's true weakness as he is dying. Perhaps he will gab a bunch of jibberish that really means something and Harry will have to figure it out. Whatever the case may be it will save Harry somehow.

yeah i think wormtail does owe harry in this bond between them and i think that this payment will take turn in book 7. its very ancient and powerful magic is this according to dumbledore so i dont think JKR can just forget it.

There is NO way that Wormtail could pretende to be dumbledore. He's not talented nor intelligent enough. Couple those with the fact that he's a bloomin' coward, he wouldn't put his life on the line unless he had to...and this wasn't a had too situation.

As far as his debt, hard to say. To repay a debt, you have to have a certain amount of honor or pride in yourself...Peter has neither.

i definitly think there is a reason why dumbledore cleared to harry thta one day he will be happy for save wormtail life im sure something big is going to happen there

ok this is what i think. remember when dumbledore said this is magic at its deepest, i think that means powerful ancient magic that is indestructable. well JKR is not just going to leave something like that out of the books, she will put it in and i do think it will be a major thing in book seven. you see the thing about the books is that it can be a blessing and a curse. you are anxious to read more and when you do and do things like this its a blessing, but not being able to read them until they come out and not knowing the whole story is a curse.

@slewfoot snap out of day dreams dumbledore is easily over 100s of years considering he taught voldemort, james, sirius, lupin and peter. dumbledore has ages of experience which neither of them can or could outdo...
secondly his pet fawkes the phoenix is not a fool, thirdly maurder's map never lies (read the books again there are lot of instances dumbledore being shown on maurdour's map) and also lupin locating peter in form of a rat in POA...

@rest the debt thing.. it doesnt take a honor to fulfill a debt it takes guts in other words peter should have enuff courage to fulfill the debt and tht will only happen when he sees harry overpower voldemort (think of the scene where sirius condemns peter of his nature of switching to the powerful side) the only hunch i get peter was placed in Gryph was because he was intelligent (in some areas example achieving "will transfiguration" at 14 years) and had a nature of being loyal to the most powerful.. firstly to james(highly intelligent, good looking....) during his school days, and then to voldemort extremely powerful at a latter stage..now if harry overpowers voldemort peter will again switch his sides and assist harry

I think that wormtail is indeed in debt to Harry and it will become a main theme in book 7. Also i just wanted to also mention that i don't think wormtail will repay it because if you all remember in GOF the plan was to kill Harry and wormtail still cut Harry's hand. The wands connecting wasn't planned therefore wormtail couldnt have known that Harry was going to live through the Graveyard.

Yes, ka. Ha iwe, usa penge. Nai!

Sorry, impulsive.

At the end of Book 3, Harry saves Wormtails life by stating that he didn't think his father would want his friends, Siruis and Lupin becoming murderers. Dumbledore later told Harry when one wizard saves another's life, it creates a bond and a debt between those wizards and he suspected that Voldemort would regret the day that his servant owed a debt to Harry Potter.

I think Harry will somehow find the horcruxes, whatever, they may be, and will destroy all of them. Dumbledore, will leave Harry his Pensive in his will, and Harry will use Dumbledore's thoughts to help defeat Voldemort.

Harry will wind up in a duel with Voldemort, and Voldemort will have Harry on the verge of death. Wormtail will be watching, and then his bond, former friendship with James Potter will overcome him, and Wormtail will somehow finish off Voldemort because neither Harry or Voldemort will be able to finish each other off, because their wands will not work properly.

Impossible.
First, Harry is "The Chosen One", not Wormtail.
Second, why do you think Ollivander disappeared? To make a new wand for LV so that he won't have problems with his wand.
Third, Wormtail is a big coward, he's afraid of LV, do you really think that he'll have the courage to kill him?
And last, it's not an obligation to repay the debt, because Snape didn't repay the debt to James..it's a question of honor which Wormtail obviously don't have.

yup yup yup, kats is right. but i think snape did repay james debt but he did it for harry. i do think wormtail will repay it to harry but no he wont kill voldemort.

Well now JKR did say something about a life debt in regards to Wormtail, much as I hate this theory and I hope she doesn't use it.

But no, I don't see Wormtail actually killing Voldemort for the reasons stated above. It's Harry who has to defeat Voldemort.

It is possible, though, again I hate this theory, that Wormtail will somehow help Harry in the end. Perhaps Wormtail will somehow help Harry get to Nagini if she's a Horcrux which DD thought she might be.

If you read JKR's interview with Melissa and Emerson on 16 July 05, it does sound like she will do some life debt thing with Wormtail.

Yeah, that's true PigWithHair (lool, what kind of nickname is this?)

I don't think that Wormtail is skilled enough to finish off Voldemort but I'm sure that he'll help Harry somehow.
The theory reminds me a bit of Grima from lord of the rings who kills Saruman...