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Harry Will Survive
He probably changed after he was sorted...
Im sure that you cant be re-sorted... but i know that people can change.
Simple enough.
alexis marie
are you suggesting that Pettigrew is Gryffindor's heir or something?

That could be a powerful weapon for Voldemort to have then or it could be a clue into a Horcrux or something... hmmm...
Harry Will Survive
Im pretty sure he didnt mean he was Gryffindors Heir... he just said he shouldnt be in his house..

At least thats what i took from it :S
starsallover
That is true, people can change.

What i think is that the same thing may have happened with Pettigrew as it did with Harry. Perhaps the Sorting Hat wanted to put Pettigrew in a different House, maybe not Slytherin, but I don't think it would have chosen Gryffindor for him. Maybe he did what Harry did..Asked it to put him into Gryffindor. Harry said, or thought, really, that he wanted to be in any house BUt Slytherin, because the Sorting Hat considered him for Slytherin. The difference with this, though, is that Harry truly does belong in Gryffindor, and Peter, although he wanted to be there, clearly did not belong. That's my theory anyway...
Harry Will Survive
Probably something along those lines.
He wasnt destined to be a Death Eater.. or he would have been in Slytherin..
He changed along the way.. thatys the only logical answer i can give
hermione rox
I've never heard anything about being able to switch houses, but it may be possible. Who knows?
I don't think that Pettigrew is a true Gryffindor, he's a coward, afraid of everything that moves, doesn't seem to be courageous at all, doesn't help anyone around him (except Voldemort) and he's betrayed his friends. I would say, killing someone and framing a good friend does not seem like a Gryffindor thing to do.
alexis marie
I don't know.... people don't normally change THAT much...

Maybe initially Wormtail has the capacity to be brave and loyal and true, but as Dumbledore said " It is our choices that define us". Maybe Wormtail could have been all of those things, but chose a different path. The sorting hat probably looks at the qualities people have inside of them, but he has no control over where they choose to go.

Maybe in repaying his debt to Harry, Wormtail will prove himself braver than we are currently giving him credit for. dry.gif
IamNotaDeathEater
Just for the record HarryWillSurvive, I'm a girl! Hahaha! I suppose it's an easy mistake to make! And no, I didn't mean that Pettigrew might be Gryffindor's heir, I simply meant that either Pettigrew's braver than we give him credit for or there was a stuff up in the sorting. I suppose people can change, but wouldn't the Sorting Hat see it in his nature. I'm not just talking about the fact that he pretty much killed a friend and he's now a DE, even at school he was whimpy and stuff.
hermione rox
Like Alexis Marie clearly stated, he may not be brave right now, but when he finally pays his debt to Harry he may be braver than before. Maybe the Sorting Hat doesn't place you for the qualities you have just at the time, but maybe it could also mean for in the future. In the books it clearly shows that Pettigrew was timid and always following his friends around, that doesn't exactly make him brave does it.?
Harry Will Survive
I did think you were a guy... but i dont see myself saying that? lol xD Sorry anyways.
Anyways this is my explanation:

Wormtail was sorted into Gryffindor because at that time the sorting hat felt it was right... people change... Pettigrew changed threw hogwarts.. for the worse... and you cant get re-sorted, so he was left in Gryffindor.

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Im pretty sure he didnt mean he was Gryffindors Heir... he just said he shouldnt be in his house..


Gotcha... My Mistake!
hermione rox
That's mean that you thought she was a guy. Just kidding. (well not trying to point at people am I?)
Well to me, It doesn't sound like Pettigrew lived to his normal standards. Maybe he didn't like who he was and was simply pretending to be timid and all those things to make those around him feel sorry for him. unsure.gif
As he grew older, he couldn't have change soo much from his youth to become a different person could he? I mean, people don't usually change that much.
Unless they're me. wink.gif
alexis marie
Wormtail is a coward and would rather just be around people who are in power and reap the benefits of being friends with them, rather than stand up or do anything himself. He is sort of like Slughorn that way.

I just can't get the sentence that the sorting hat says to Harry at the beginning "You could be great you know, it's all here in your head...." I think that Wormtail must have had those qualities when he was sorted, and he didn't change necessarily, he just didn't want to actually be as brave as he could have been, nor as loyal. He is sort of lazy.

If he is going to repay his debt to Harry though, that has to mean he has enough loyalty in him to not just let the fact that Harry saved his life once slide. Maybe a true Slytherin could. I bet Voldemort could. I don't know.
hermione rox
Looking back at what the Sorting Hat said to Harry about Slitherin helping him on the way to greatness. Just proves that the Sorting Hat can be wrong about people. Harry had to tell the hat over and over that he did not want to be in Slitherin. In my opinion, if you have enough will power you can convince the Sorting Hat that is not the place for you. Maybe it was the same case for Wormtail, the hat told him that he would be great in such n such house but he pleaded the Sorting Hat to put him in Gryffindor. He probably believed that since Gryffindors are supposed to be the bravest, they could protect him from people he feared. Even though later he joins with the ones he fears.
Animagus_Black
In my View, pettigrew isnt overly loyal to LV. I think he is a DE out of Fear of LV rather then being faithful. In GoF LV even says 'Out of Fear, Not Loyalty' which is saying something coming from LV. Yet he still keeps pettigrew around him.
IamNotaDeathEater
I thought Slytherins were known for the fact that they would rather save their own necks than others. Isn't that exactly what Wormtail did? First, he chose friends at school who were braver and more intelligent than him. After he left school though he betrayed those friends and joined the DE. Once again, because they had a lot of power would supposedly 'protect' him. He did none of this out of bravery. There is nothing brave or noble about any of these things. It's too much like Slytherin, you know? He was like it all along!
white_bumblebee
this is something ive wondered about too!
the only explanations i can come up with are that he has changed alot since he was 11 and no longer holds the qualities he showed to the sorting hat, or there is a part of him we havent seen yet.
pettigrew being put into gryffindor has always made me curious, just as percy weasley has! he is a very ambitous individual who disowned his whole family to remain high up in the ministry, he has always been very ambitous and put his career ahead of anything. why was he not put in slytherin? maybe both pettigrew and percy have changed alot since they were 11? or maybe they will both come good in the end?
mugglemary
Personally, I think the sorting hat sees qualities in Wormtail, which we will not understand until book 7. The fact that Wormtail is in Griffindor tells me that he will redeem himself in the end. Remember thou-not everyone in Griffindor will be good, just as not everyone in Slytherin is bad. I rather like Slughorn, and he is head of Slytherin....I bet Snape turns out to be good as well.
Prodfoot
Peter will repay his life dept to Harry by helping Harry destroy a horcrux. He will save Harry's life, by either saving Harry after the horcrux is destroyed, or by not letting Harry destroy it and die instead of Harry. The horcrux will most likely be Nagini, assuming that Nagini is indeed a horcrux.

~Prodfoot
crawford_todd
I think at some point, Voldemort's and the other Death Eaters open cruelty to Wormtail will push him over the edge at just the crucial moment where Wormtail is well placed to help out Harry and the Order. Maybe it will be through some crucial piece of information that he can offer Harry that will lead to Voldemort's downfall? Perhaps the location of a Horcrux, or a way around any traps that might surround it.

Of course, you could all be right and the sacrifice more surpreme, such as jumping in front of a killing curse, but I really think the DE's mistreatment of Wormtail will come into play. We saw throughout the books that James, Sirius and Remus really gave Peter more respect than he ever actually deserved, and that kind of kindness is rarely forgotten, even within a coward.
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