I know that Snape was born in January... I was just thinking about the word "born" as a 'created" or 'reborn", something like that. One person in another forum pointed out that it may be Snape's mother's pregnancy and perhaps Snape was born 2 months earlier, not in the ninth month but in seventh.

It was also said that maybe his parents defied him, because we don't know anything about Tobias Snape what could point that he didn't defy LV. I know it seems far-fetched but I can't say 100% "No".

It's interesting why Snape was good at the Dark Arts as a kid. Some people say that maybe someone from his family pushed him into this. Tobias was a Muggle, but what if he saw some possibilities in having a witch wife? What if he joined the Death Eaters? (Rowling said that the Death Eaters among Muggles are rare but they exist, so I'm wondering if Tobias could be one and then defy LV).

Harry is definatley not a horcrux and if anything of him, his scar is the horcrux. Otherwise, why would voldemort want to kill Harry?

Ok, i really think snape's bad, when he knew that Lv was dead (because he really thought that) then he just went running to the open arms of DD. Kind of he was more secure with him. Then when he realizes that LV's not dead, tries to return but LV tell him to stay and watch closely Harry and DD's moves.!
When he found out the situation to malfoy he knew it was his chance to leave forever hogwarts and be again with his master.

And with the Half-Blood Prince I just think that it was a nickname that J.K rowling put representing Snape, and telling us more about him.! And just because the book's principal fact is the betrayal of Snape..(im convinced with that), thats why she put it.

Me and my friend were being stupid and we decided to look @ all that chappie pics and @ the unfortunate end of 27 we chose to look @ what was happening and then we cried........though I really don't belive that dumbledoor is dead........

I'm killing my own theory about Snape being LV son. I read in the COS that Dumbledore says Riddle isthe last heir of Syltherin.
So that ends that train of thought.

But I do agree that Snape is not bad. He is brave for what he has had to do. I believe Dumbledore didn't give the DADA job to Snape for good reason. Not because he thought it might turn him to the "Darkside" but if Snape had taken it he would have only held that position for a year because the job was cursed. Dumbledore wanted Snape around the school much longer than that. I think Snape has been helping DD and Harry (although Harry dosen't realize this)since Harry has been in school. DD finally gave Snape the job somehow knowing that he wouldn't be around Hogwarts much longer anyhow.
Thats why he let him have the DADA position.

What means "gerbil"????????????????????I find that word in HbP!!!!!!!

Hi there VLAD, and welcome to the VTM forums!

Hm, a gerbil is a rodent animal people keep as pets...sorta like big hamsters...

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Hey, guess what else I found regarding Snape being LV's match and not Harry.

LV - Capricorn
Snape - Capricorn
Harry - Leo

LV - Black eyes
Snape- Black eyes
Harry- Green eyes

This just adds more to the theory that Snape is LV's match. I like it!

I must say I like it too I'm for the thought that LV chose a bad person very much lately. The prophecy may be taken not word-by word, I mean the words "born" and "mark", "seventh month"... But LV chose Harry and we'll see what will happen.

I thought at 1st hbp was voldermot
but it turned out to be snape
i like voldermot but i hate snape

Hi! Im new to the forum. Id like to give my thoughts about Snape being LV's match. I have to say you do have your points, but it states in OoTP that the one who was 'born' (I hardly believe JK would mislead us on such an important piece of information) at the end of July.

Here is the Prophecy in it's entireity, after re-reading the book recently:

What if the potions book was another horcrux? Maybe it was originally Riddle's potions textbok and Snape, since he was poor, used it second-hand. (Sort of like the diary that Ginny received) Remember, Rowling said portions of this book, including the title, were originally a part of Chamber of Secrets. Perhaps that explains both the age of the book and maybe by Snape was drawn to the Dark Arts and to being a death eater to begin with.

in wich hp book does hermione kiss ronpage to please

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I thought the age of the book was given as 50 years old. If so, it's interesting to note that--if the book was Eileen's--Snape's mother attended Hogwarts at or around the same time as Tom Riddle. Or the book may have belonged to Voldemort and as the diary was given to Lucius, maybe the book was given to Snape. Regardless if it was Voldemort’s book, it certainly did not display any of the magic that the diary did. That does not necessarily rule it out as a horcrux, but Dumbledore told Harry his suspicions as to which are the remaining horcruxes and I think his guesses are reliable.

very clever thoughts lilli_p. I also believe that Snape could be LV's match but I also think that Snape can not defeat LV by himself and so will seek the help of Harry Potter. Just an idea.

Dumblydore,

Hi glad to hear from someone new! You are correct that Harry is the one that LV chose - (marked). He is the one who will vanquish- (meaning: defeat in battle) the dark lord. All of this is true only because LV made the prophecy so. LV marked Harry not Nevill.

BUT Snape is LV's match - (meaning: exactly alike) - (see the other threads for the matches) Snape will help Harry defeat LV in the last battle. Even though Snape was a Death Eater he showed remorse for telling LV about Harry and the prophecy.
And I do believe Dumbledore when he says Snape was sorry for being the cause of the Potters deaths. That is a heavy burden to carry around. Knowing you were the cause of someones brutal death.

He was truly sorry for what he caused and that is the difference between Snape and LV. Snape has good in him even though he is exactly like LV in every way. Thats what Dumbledore saw in Snape his goodness and remorse. Thats why Dumbledore trusted him so. Voldemort would have shown no remorse if the tables were turned. Snape could have continued with the Dark Lord but he did not. It is our choices that make us who we are

I might be wayyy off, but i think i might have thought of a possibility for the prophecy. Tom means twin, so what if they are talking about Voldermorts twin. I know Harrys the chosen one or whatever blah blah blah but no one thought harry had a godfather, or that he would die, and no one thought Dumbledore would die, no one thought neville would work his way into the prophecy, right? And what about Snape being the half-blood prince? When is Voldermorts birthday?

I guess I don't understand what you mean by "Tom" means twins. At least it doesnt in my dictionary.

Snape and LV are not twins they are not the same age nor from the same mother.

What I was refering to is that there are a lot of similarites between Snape and Voldemort than compared to Harry and Voldemort. Harry is not a match of Voldemort. If anything Voldemort could be Snapes father. After all we know more about Voldemorts heritage than we do about Snapes.

Nah Voldemort Snapes dad???? I dont believe it to be true.
Maybe they are connected in some way but not that direct. Snapes father was Tobais Snape a muggle.( IT states that clearly in the HBP book.) I deffinatly dont believe in the whole Snape and Voldemort being twins theory! Even if they were Snape (aka Alan Rickman ) Would obviously be the better looking on lol Well maybe LV was a hansom boy but when he started getting involeved with the dark arts his innocence disappeared along with his good looks lol.

I quite agree that Snape and Voldemort are not twins. But Snape and Voldemort are a "match" as was stated in the note. When you meet your "match" you will be mortal once more. Everyone thinks that this note from RAB is also referring to the prophecy prediction. That RAB is just reiterating it.

But the prophecy dosen't HAVE to be so. People accept the fact that because of the prophecy Harry will HAVE to kill LV. JK has told us that prophesies don't have to come true. The prophecy dosen't HAVE to be about Harry. Harry Potters name was placed on the sphere AFTER LV attacked him. His name was placed on by wizards and therefore subject to interpertation. The only reason the prophesy would come true is because LV has CHOSEN Harry and continues to make it so. So from LV's perspective Harry HAS to be the one to kill him and he has chosen Harry as the one to do it.

The fact that LV dosent know the end of the prophecy is very important. Perhaps the value of the prophesy is only that LV BELIEVES Harry is the only one that can kill him. I don't think from that perspecitve that it would be a very large leap of logic for someone else to end up finishing him off. It would support the blindness in following a prophecy and could send other powerful messages. Prophecys are just good guesses and not a statement of futuristic fact.

Because of this I think it will be Snape to finish LV off because he is LV's match. LV is putting all of his time and energy into Harry being "the chosen one". But he will get blindsided by Snape. Remember prophecys do not HAVE to be true.

Does anyone remember when Snape was teaching Harry Occlumency lessons? Snape was telling Harry to "empty yourself of emotion."

Snape was great in Potions as was Lily. This is something the two of them had in common and probley had some competition between them in that regard. I think everyone who thinks Snape was in love with Lily was right. However, I don't think that they ever dated or that Lily ever felt anything for Snape but admiration of his talent and at the same time pity for him because of the way James and company belittled him.
You know, lilly_P, I write in my fanfiction that they were a couple but in fact I think that maybe they kissed once or twice as I like mirroring them as Hermione and Krum. But I can give them a bit of happy life together in my fanfiction, can't I?

Being hurt as a child by his parents, being ridculed at school, even though Snape was brilliant, didn't afford him the luxury to be able to hang around with the cool kids. He was never acknowledged by his peers as being anything but greasy Snivillus.
This is why I pity him so much.

My day will come! Some day you will respect me. I will show all of you! (in Snapes mind)

Could it be that that is why Dumbledore and staff always corrects Harry and calls Snape "Professor" Snape. To show that Snape is FINALLY getting respect. Is that why he became double agent. To gain the RESPECT from both sides. He has conquered both sides by showing them that HE is IMPORTANT! That little kid inside is IMPORTANT, he is SOMEBODY. He is nobel, brave and not a COWARD! He has learned to control his emotions, He is Lord Voldemorts true match and he will battle him in the end.
This is very true and you wrote it well. I think that DD knows that Snape always lacked feeling important. He didn't seem to be important at his home (in the Spinner's End?) and also at school. Giving him the teaching job, DD made him feel important but Snape often can't stop abusing his power. I have to admit he's the severe teacher who demands much, though. Harry hates him so much and is bullied by him but he has a good mark from Potions-it means that Snape taught him something.
The Half Blood Prince title may mean that Snape wanted to feel important but it all depends how you'd use this importance. I believe that at first he used this in a very bad way, then he joined the Order. As mean as he can be, he's an unhappy person still.

Thanks bubotuber pus! There is one other reason why I think that Snape will be the one to finish LV off. When Harry tried to use his wand to fight LV in the graveyard, his and LV's wand shot out light that connected and stayed together. Harrys hand was vibrating and LV was frightened and told the DE to do nothing to Harry while their wands were connected.

The connection is because of the pheonix feather in both wands. Harry will not be able to use his wand to fight LV because the wands are brothers. What will he use? He cannot verbly cast spells - yet. I think that Snapes wand will kill Voldemort. For some reason JK has not told us what Snapes wand is made of.

I have one problem with your theory of Harry not being able to "kill" Vold. He kidnapped Olivander, I have thought for the longest time that, this is the reason he took him. So Vold. could actually fight Harry if Harry was going to fight back. Sorry if this has been said before.........I must ask the mod. to delete this post, sorry the person before me must have posted as I was typeing or I hit the wrong page, again sorry

I think maybe LV kidnapped Olivander to find out the history and connection between his and Harrys wand.
But he didnt kidnap Olivander for no reason. I cant think why LV would kidnap the Ice cream selling guy though. Maybe LV is a big fan of ice cream and wanted to treat his Death Eaters to some ice cream lol.

I've gone back threw these threads and I was wondering... What if the prophecy is about Harry and Snape?

Harry was born at the end of July and so was Nevil. Voldemort chose and marked Harry as his equal. He also in a sence marked Snape with the Dark "MARK" and Snape is Voldemorts equal.

Harry has the power to "vanquish" (to battle) Voldemort. But Snape has the "power of dark magic that Voldemort knows nothing about".
(Half Blood Prince potions book)

I think you really need "dark" or "advanced" magic to fight Voldemort. Harry dosen't have that. He has his mothers love to "protect" him which it has time and time again. But that love is not what will destroy Voldemort. That love is Harry's protection from Voldemort.

JK uses .... inbetween each part of the prophecy. What if there is something she has left out to us readers.

i think snape is acting like a death eater but is on the orders side and he said the killing curse with out meaning it so it wouldnt harm dumbledore mush then dumbledore got a body of some one and had polyjuice potion the made the person turn in to him by drinking the potion the he lifted the spells so he could apparate

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Hey everybody!!! i've been reading all of ur posts for a couple fo hours now and lookig over the book about what happend and debating all fo ur theories... i've been reading these books for a long time now (over 20 times each) caz i think the details are really interesting and it's nice to imagine what's going to happen... but anywho, here's my theories:
Earlier the subject was about how Snape is evil and if he is or isn't on the good side:
- i believe that he is actually on the good side because Dumbledor was suppose to die and Snape would be the only one who would do it.. Someone said earlier that if other characters(e.g. mcgonagal) were given this task, they would refuse... yet; snape agreed because he understands that whatever happens will be for the best! Also, in an interview wit JK Rowling, the reporter asked why she killed off DD. She replied by saying that he was too important too keep - that he always guided harry along and that is why eh had to die... harry has to realize his full potential and face Voldemort on his own. That is why DD dies.. there are no secret getaways - he is being killed off to continue to story...

- then, as for snape, well since he was faced with the task of killing DD, he proved himself to Voldemort by 1) killing DD and helping draco by completing his task (hense the unbreakable vow is lifted from him) 2) by running away with the rest of the Death Eaters; Yet, he didn't kill anyone else because he doesn't really want them dead. As for why he didn't kill harry - well he knows that the final battle will have to be between voldy and harry, so he can't just kill harry caz voldemort swore to avenge (for those who don't know what avenge means: it's to punish) harry.

anywho, i'm getting carried away, but i just thought that u guys would liek to known about the interview with Jk and what she said about DD and Snape... otherwise, i'm really interested in the disappearance of Olivander... i think it's true about him making another wand for Voldy because the two wands that harry and voldy have now would never fight with eachother (as written/(and now)seen in GOF).

thanks for ur attention everyone

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Hye again, sorry about th whole netspeak thing.. if anyone didn't understand what i wrote.. please tell me and i will change it..!!!! otherwise, where si everyone.. Thsi topic's extremely interesting.. come on people, there must be truth in some of our theories!!!

I didn't understand the significance of Snape being the half-blood prince at first either,but it is explained in the next chapter or so.

Snape had helped Harry in potions and given him new spells and laughs. Somewhere in the book it describes the half-blood prince as being a friend to Harry.

Harry had learned to trust and befriend the man who betrayed his parents to Voldemort, killed DD, and still works for Voldy. Snape it seems was an emotional child himself and new that the information that he had become part of Harry's life would hurt Harry alot.

Smart man, that Snape...

*Padfoot*

Just something real quick. I liked the book alot. Im sure people have a good influence when harry decides to drop out of hogwarts(even though hes trying to kill someone about 6 times). It had been spoiled for me theday after it came out. Iwas playing on online game when someone keeps spamming "SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE". On a website someone had posted a picture of the page where snape kills dumbledore.THE BOOK WAS GREAT. i have already seen GoF i hope they dont ruin this movie like they did with the GoF.

I was dissappointed that snape killed dumbledore. The fuy thing is that I had already guessed that snape was going to be the half blood pirnce just a day before the book came out. Whne my brother hinted to me that snape kills somebody i just guessed and said it dd

I just have several things to point out about theories. First of all, the Half-Blood Prince was actually very important throughout the book, we just didn't know who he was before the end. His book pulled Harry through his potions class and taught him some new spells. While the HBP did not actually mean to, he had a huge impact on Harry and appeared throughout the book. Therfore, I think the title of the book fits perfectly. Second, the prophecy is about Harry and that is established. It specifically states that Voldemort will mark the person in the prophecy as an EQUAL. Therefore, there is no loophole that it could be Snape, because the Dark Mark on his arm would make him inferior to Voldemort and below him, not equal to him. Also, Snape does not fit the other points of the prophecy. Finally, I think Dumbledore is truly dead and I don't believe Snape is good. The theory of him being good because he let Harry live is not valid. Since Snape was the one that heard the prophecy for the first time and told it to Voldemort, he would know that only Voldemort can kill Harry. Therefore, he was not foolish enough to attempt it himself. After all, since all of the books are about Harry vs. Voldemort anyway, if Snape had been given orders to kill Harry, he could have done it a million times. He didn't try to kill him because he knew it was impossible. The major concern I have about book 7 is that it will not be able to fit everything in. After all, Harry must still discover four Horcruxes (or is it three?), find R.A.B., kill Snape, and then showdown with Voldemort. Knowing Rowling, there will probably more surprises and I seriously doubt that the series will end with any of the three most likely endings: voldemort dies, harry dies, or both die. I think we will be treated to a much more intruiging and exciting ending.

What I don't understand is why they didn't tell what happened to the Death Eaters after Snape and Malfoy killed Dumbledore and Greyback messed up Bill and everything. Don't you agree that they should have told us?

HEY GUYS! I AM NEW HERE IN THE FORUMS ANS I JUST FINISH READING THE 6 BOOK! I WAS REALLY TOUCH BY THE FACT THAT DUMBLEDORE DIED! I CRY MY EYES OUT WHEN I READ THE PART WHEN THEY SAY SO AND I WANT TO SHARE MY POINT OF VIEW WITH YOU!:

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THE DEATH OF DUMBLEDORES MAY CAUSE A LOT OF SADNESS IN HARRY BUT I THINK THAT IS A GOOD WAY FOR HIM TO START GETTING STRONGER BY THE FACT THAT HE WILL HAVE TO FIGHT WITH HE-WHO-MOST-NOT-BE NAME TILL DEATH

* A NICE AND REALLY GOOD THING IS THAT RON AND HERMIONE TELL HARRY THEY WILL STAY WITH HIM AND THEY WILL SUPPORT ... IS VERY TOUCHING CUZ THERES'S WHERE YOU GET TO KNOW WHO ARE YOU FRIENDS ( IN BAD TIME)

* AND WELL A LAST THING THAT HARRY WILL SOON KNOW THAT HE IS NOT LONELY HOW HE SAY IN A CHAPTER LINE ... HE IS VERY SUPPORTED BY ALL OF HIS FRIENDS AND THAT IS THE DUMBLEDORE'S ARMY THAT WHAT WILL REMAIN AFTER ALL HE HAS LOSE FRIENDS AND SPECIALLY HIS PARENTS BUT HE HAS EARNED WISDON( IN FACT I THINK THAT THAT WAS THE MOST TREASURED THING DUMBLEDORE LEFT HIM) AN ALSO HE HAS WIN FAITH THAT HE WILL SOON GET OVER HE-WHO-MOST-NOT-BE NAME AND LIVE PEACEFULLY A NORMAL LIFE


IF ANYONE AGREES WITH ME PLEASE LET ME KNOW THANKS GUYS! BYE

All greetings!
At me in the country the sixth book will sell only since December, 3, but I read in the Internet, there too most slightly?

oh lena that is really bad because i think you will want to read it soon! and well don't keep reading because you wont' get to read it by yourself an dit will be bad if you will what will happen it won't make sence so don't read anything just wait to you buy the book thats my advise!!

the majorspoiler is thAT DUMBLEDORE DIED sorry in my i put caps lock on

hey! i thought it was explained in the book 6?? about why is severus the HBP?? i finished reading the book and i read that it was his mother's surname... Half Blood Prince... her mother's surname was Prince... and she married a man(snape's father)... so he's half prince...

and for his skills in pition and D-A-D-A..., i think that he was good at potions (up to now)... remember what sirius said in the 3rd book about him to play on his chemistry set??? and about his skills on DADA... i think he learned it when he became a death eater...

I have an interesting fact that i tough when reading the faq on JK website. There was a question, what is the way OotP send messages to each other
She said it was with patronus
the patronus of Dumbledore is a phoenix
What Harry see at Dumbledore's Funeral
A white phoenix in the air
Was it Dumbledore sending is last message? Maybe he was sending it to Snape?

Plus, someone was telling about Snape mother. When JK was interviewed about "is some teacher are in the same family" She said it was confidential (So in other word, yes)
Irma Pince
I'm a Prince

Hey Rogue, I think that's a very good theory. Sadly I don't think we're ever going to find this out because of the way the story is likly to work but good thinking all the same!

And Irma Pince is SO Snape's mum!

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