As I read Dumbledore telling Harry all of his thoughts on Horcruxes, specifically about Nagini being a Horcrux a terrible thought struck me:

Harry is one of Voldemort's Horcruxes

This, I imagine, happened quite accidently when Voldemort tried to kill Harry. It would explain the strange bond between them and the odd bits of himself Voldemort seemed to have given Harry (specifically Parseltoungue) quite nicely.

If there is any truth to this theory it will clearly have HUGE implications for book 7. Could Voldemort be killed while Harry was still alive!? I'm not sure how this would tie in with the prophecy, still, very interesting thought. Feel free to comment.

Eh it's alright I suppose but I would be a little skeptical.

I suppose you mean he used Harry when he killed his Mother, but I believe anything that was inhabited by Voldemorts soul (I got balls, I say his name) would be corrupted. Harry is like 99% good.

That's exactly what I thought at first, but if he really was, why would Voldemort try and kill him? Anyway, it's still possible, and would be an awsome plot twist!

Strangely enough, that was actually something I thought of initially, but there are some reasons why I don't think (and really really hope) it isn't the case. First, there's the prophecy. If Harry were a Horcrux, Voldemort couldn't be killed as long as Harry were alive, so it wouldn't be a "one or the other" thing. If Voldemort knew Harry was a horcrux, he would not want to kill him. The book also talked about how obsessive voldemort was about doing everything himself, so he wouldn't want his immortality to swing on a person, especially since the horcrux could die well before he intends to. But the thought still eats away at the back of my head...if harry were a horcrux that would be terrible! I couldn't imagine JK Rowling ending the series that way.

Perhaps this supports your theory (from the cub reporter press conf. at Edinburgh Castle):

That would be quite an interesting twist. Even if Harry did kill the soul that was in Voldemort's body, there would still be a piece of Voldemort in him. Voldemort wouldn't be able to die if Harry were alive. It would be a very terrifying way to end the series, but it would be interesting. Harry would have to show a lot of nobility in allowing himself to die in order to rid the Wizarding World of Voldemort once and for all.

I agree that Harry could definatly be one of the Horcrux's but i think it is more a part of Harry. I think that the scar it self could be the Horcrux. We know that he has pains in his scar and that is because of the powers that Voldimort transfered to him. Voldimort could possibly transfered part of his own soul into Harry, but because of the protection his mother gave him, the soul formed the scar itself.

I'm agreeing with some that Harry could be the vessel for another Horcrux. If it happened accidentally, Voldemort may not be aware of it. Because of this, he would have no qualms about killing Harry. Voldemort may, however, start to question whether Harry is a vessel for his Horcrux because of the bond between Harry and Voldemort.

In book 5, Dumbledore talks to an instrument in his office after Harry has the dream about Mr. Weasley. Dumbledore says something like, "Yes, yes, of course, but in essence divided?" (I don't have the book, so this isn't a direct quote). Maybe Dumbledore is asking about whether Harry's soul and Voldemort's soul are still divided in Harry's body.

I like the idea that the scar is the vessel for the Horcrux. If that's the case, maybe there's a way to destroy the Horcrux without destroying Harry.

I have heard this theory being tossed about in the HPtheories lj, and I find it pretty intresting. It brings to light a lot of quandries that I'm sure that will come up in book 7. Think about it. We learn in book 6 that to make a horcrux that the wizard needs to kill first to create one. And who safer to put a piece of your soul in then the person that could kill you.

Voldemort made Harry a Horcrux to prevent the person propheside to kill Voldemort from doing so. It would force that person to make the choice to kill themselves to destroy themselves. That sort of self-less act is beyond the relm of comprehension of Voldemorts. Voldemort would rather think of themselves. And to kill oneself for the greater good is unthinkable to voldemort.

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very interesting points, i'll have to read all the books again to pick up these clues.

how does the prophesy go? none can live while the other survives... something like that.
these theories being discussed in this topic put knew emphasis on the lines.

EITHER MUST DIE AT THE HAND OF THE OTHER FOR NEITHER CAN LIVE WHILE THE OTHER SURVIVES

this imples that one can Only be killed by the other, and not by anyone else, so supposedly Harry shouldn't worry about death eaters..

and neither is truly alive or, 'whole' while they are both alive? does that refer to Voldemort's split soul, and how voldemort has consumed harry's life by messing it up so much, and also through the transfering of powers?
Voldemort's soul can be whole if he or harry dies? with the destruction of all the horcruxes, the soul won't be 'split' anymore.. so is harry one of them too?

they are linked together by each been conaminated by eachother. harry is a horcrux and took some of V.'s powers, though he did not know it, and V. took the protection, LOVE, that is inherent in harry when he rose in GOF. they have poisoned eachother... and are linked.

one has to die only because they can't both survive

Albus Dumbledore explained that the prophecy only holds value because Voldemort allowed it to.

Things do not happen happen only because a prophecy exists, but because certain people act because of them.

Therefore, Harry and Dumbledore both knew (At Dumbledores rather blatant prompting) that although the prophecy was not necessarily false it didn't mean it was entirely true (Or literally, if you prefer) Harry still has to worry about other people knocking him off.

Voldemort doesn't know this.

From the prophesy:

EITHER MUST DIE AT THE HAND OF THE OTHER FOR NEITHER CAN LIVE WHILE THE OTHER SURVIVES

While this seems to imply that only Harry can kill Voldemort, and that only Voldemort can kill Harry, I wonder about that.

If Harry is one of the Horcruxes, and kills himself to make Voldy able to be killed, is that not 'at the hand of' Harry?

But then who would kill Voldemort?

I think that they will kill each other somehow. I'm not positive, but I'm leaning toward that conclusion. I don't want Harry to die, and there are many reasons that I think he won't, but if he is a Horcrux there is no way he can live; he'd have to be destroyed.

But I doubt that Harry is a Horcrux. Voldemort may have transfered a lot of things to Harry, but I don't know if a bit of his soul went along for the ride.

I believe Harry is a Horcrux and most of the reasons why have already been listed. But more specifically:

- Voldemort already has part of his soul in a living being so it is possible. (Nagini)
- It happened accidentaly b/c until that point as we all know very well no one survives the AK and who's to say other strange things didn't occur as well.
- Dd told Harry that in a sense Voldemort fulfilled his own prophecy. By attempting to kill Harry, he created his own nemisis.

I would like to point out the fact that Voldemort had no way of transfering his soul to Harry. If you recall, he was trying to kill Harry. His spell backfired, and "killed" him (as much as possible). He didn't expect it to happen, he surely couldn't have known what was going on, and I'm sure Voldemort would've wanted to kill Harry at some point or another, so putting his soul in him would be a bit reckless. If he already had 5 of the Horcruxes, creating that last one wouldn't have been totally vital, I mean, isn't 5 enough these days?!

I also had this thought: Dumbldore said that V. intended to create another Horcrux by killing Harry. By failing to kill Harry he may have accidently turned him into a Horcrux and probably has no idea that he did it. Having killed two people moments earily I think he definitly could of done it.

I do kind of agree with this theory and do be honest, its riddled in all the books 'Voldemort put a bit of himself in you the night he died' etc. J.K. has said before that she didn't like the thought of Harry growing old so it is possible that Harry would sacrifice himself to rid the world of Voldemort, he could either kill Voldemort then himself or get someone to kill them both (Ron one, Hermione the other?) Harry would do it to help the people he loves in this world and remember, he knows that his parents, Sirius and Dumbledore are all waiting for him on the other side.

ok... i think i know a way that harry could be a horcrux...

neither can live while the other survives... neither of them can live if the other is alive. and they both have to die.. its kinda hard to explain
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ok... so neither can live if either are alive is what i'm trying to say i guess(yes, i know i make no sense..) so i thikn the prophecy means that they both are gonna end up dying..

anyway, harry is a horcrux, he kills voldemort, then he kills himself last so that he cant come back.

No, no, no, end once again NO! Harry can't die! It makes no sense. I'd rather think that his scar is horcrux! I can agree with the option. But Harry can't be horcrux because he would have to kill himself first but we all know that he firstly have to kill Voldemort!

Harry is a Horcrux in my opinion.

I think the clues began as early as Harry's first year at Hogwarts when he sat beneath the sorting hat. Harry COULD become a Slytherin by not killing himself, or he could sacrafice himself and become a brave Gryffindor by killing himself to stop Voldemort.

As long a horcrux exists, Voldemort is saved. Harry will have to kill Voldemort then kill himself in order to destroy him.

I think Lily Potter may also have worked out a potion for Harry to reflect Voldemort's spell. Both Lily and Snape were Master potion makers.

justification for harry as a horcrux (granted this is an out there justification but still)

again, the prophecy was labeled "Harry Potter?"... what about the chance that harry is a horcrux, and neville is the one who must kill both voldemort and harry?

I don't think it's Harry in his entirety, I do think it's his scar, however. Voldemort likes trophies, that was stressed from the little trinkets that he'd taken from other children in the orphanage through to the Gaunt family ring. The killing of someone who's said to be your enemy would warrant a trophy, I think, and whether or not he meant Harry's scar to be that trophy, it turned out as such by Lily's protection. It is possible that he is cocky enough to feel he can rid the world of one of his horcruxes (in killing Harry) because his self-proclaimed superiority tells him the others are so well hidden.

In that same vein, I don't think Harry has to kill himself, necessarily, to get rid of the final Horcrux. I think he has to get rid of his scar. That in itself has identified Harry as the Boy Who Lived, it's been the bane of his existence for awhile now, causing physical and emotional pain. But is getting rid of it really so easy for him? With its loss, he loses a part of who he's become, and potentially some of the powers that were transferred to him that night. Is Harry Potter really Harry Potter without that scar?

I heard a rumour that the last word of the last book would be scar.

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For those who are interested in delving into the possibility that Harry is a Horcrux, and therefore harbours part of Voldemorts soul, there is a thread titled 'The Changeling Hypothesis' in the pre-HBP book section. You dont need to read the link supplied by Bandoth if it seems a bit dauntingly long, because it all comes out in the discussions on the thread anyway.

Just a thought if you like this theory.

I still dont know if Harry is a Horcux, but if he is, I think it is most likely held in the scar, and he shouldn't have to die, because now that Voldy contains Harry's blood, there may be another way of tranferring back to Voldy.

Maybe that's what the *gleam of triumph* was about in GoF?

I think harry's scar being a horcrux is a major possibility. We also have to remember that JKrowling didnt reveal to us how to destroy a horcrux. There probably is a special way to do it. Like first you have to draw the soul out. (when the diary was destroyed tom riddle was out of it) Then harry can prevent it from going back in him. Dumbledore keeps saying to harry that he has shown great power over dark magic and it not taking him over. I also think that harry's eyes and mother will come into this theory somehow.

the 7 parts of voldemort's soul as i think they are:

1 voldemort himself
2 the book
3 the family ring
4 the locket
5 the cup
6 nagini
7 harry

this would explain the fact that harry saw the memory with the old man and the snake(nagini) from the snake's perspective rather then from voldemorts perspective (first chapter of book 4)

and i also think that DD knows harry is one of the horcruxes, but doesnt want to say this head on to Harry, but by the example he sets that nagini is a horcrux he thinks Harry will find out he is on too, or at least his scar is

Ah! Am I forgotten so easily? Hey! Whoever made this thread is right on with my theories! The Changeling Hypothesis! Go search the old HBP thread for it. I'm not even going to bother going into it anymore.

That's just ... that's just ... no, please, NO!

I'm not disagreeing with the theory, it's just so disturbing to think it could actually end up that way!

Is it possible that Voldemort inadvertently made Harry a Horcrux when he used his blood to revive himself?

Harry could not possibly be a Horcrux. That is ridiculous. Firstly, A horcrux is part of one's soul. Voldemort could not bear to posess harry, so he could much less have his soul inhabit him for sixteen years. harry is too much the polar opposite of voldy. Second, Harry would have noticed if he had that kind of a piece of Voldemort in him. Remember, Ginny realised she was being posessed after only a few months, so harry would have noticed after 16 years.

Besides, harry's scar is the byproduct of a killing curse, DD said so. (also, harry heard this when he met the dementors)

Edit: Harry has the power to vanquish the dark lord, so if he was holding Voldy's soul, it would be destroyed. (also by his mother's death) Also, Voldy could not even touch harry before he returned, much less stay in his body.

I think these are the horcruxes
Voldemort.
Nagini.
Riddle's Diary.(destroyed)
The Ring.(destroyed)
Hufflepuf's Cup.
The silver goblet(stolen by Mundungus)
The potion which Dumbledore drank.(destroyed)(this is in accordance with my theory that Dumbledore pleaded with Snape to kill him...)

yes thats a very good theory, and it does tie in with the prophecy quite nicely. and voldemort could be wanting to kill harry because he doesnt KNOW

agreed?

Oh gosh! That theory fits perfectly with the prophecy! If Voldemort is attacked, he will use Harry as his Horocrux and therefore Harry will die. But ..... .... ohmygoodness. That means that Harry HAS TO DIE!!!! If Harry is one of the Horocruxes, either way he will die! Because if Harry attempts to kill him, Voldemort will eventually use all his Horocruxes until he gets to Harry. So unless... *shivers* Harry gives the Horocrux which is concealed within him to someone... he will die.... This is an incredibly complex and interesting theory.. I admire you! It explains why some of Voldemort's power was transferred to Harry that night, and as Nagini is supposedly a Horocrux, I cannot see why Harry can't be one too. Also, somewhere in HBP, wasn't it mentioned that Voldemort purposely cast the spell in a lazy/bad way?

that comes back to the first book: voldemort unwillingly transferred some of his powers and being to Harry. They cant write it more clearly then that.

I think it's obvious: voldemort only uses importat deaths for his horcruxes (his father for the ring i presume) and he most likely wanted to use harry's soul for a horcrux also. But since the killingcurse backfired, he couldnt use harry's dead for a horcrux. but his own death was used for the horcrux. this means that the course of actions most likely reversed making harry a horcrux instead of the item voldemort wanted. But because of the protection harry's mother gave to harry (love as a power) the part of the soul of voldemort couldt merge with harry fully thus leaving that scar.

i could be wrong ofcourse but i really like this theorie, it explaines alot

Mmm, what about the sorting hat?
Is it possible Voldemort had access to it to make it a Horcrux?
What better trinket than a magic artifact all of the Founders contributed to?

Hmm.. a good theory but I dont think so. Remember that Dumbledore was able to sence if something was magical or not. And how would Voldemort get acsess to the sorting hat?

I have a few very different opinions on the subject of horcruxes, please look and tell me if my guess is probable!

horcrux list (known)

1)Voldemort Himself(Last part to kill or destroy is himself)
2) Riddle's Diary(ruined in the chamber of secrets)
3)The Ring(destroyed by dumbledore)
4)Hufflepuff's Cup(not yet found)
5)Slytherin's Locket(in the house of black)
6) something of ravenclaw's possessions
7)One of Gryffindor's Red Rubies( I do not beleive the sword to be a horcrux, im sure dumbledore checked as it was already in his possession, and the rubies were hinting at a horcrux. Why else would the rubies smashed out of the house point hourglass be mentioned so many times... and it would be easy to hide, who would suspect, out of all those rubies one was a horcrux. It would be well protected in the hourglass until he who knew the ruby would come back for it. It all seems to fit)

Also, i am wondering whether they were right about voldemort himself being a horcrux. to make one, you are not counting the sould inside you already, just the peice you took out, if you made two or more, wouldn't it also make sense that it would add up to the number of horcruxes made PLUS the soul it orriginated from??? just a thought...

Some people are saying that Voldemort made himself a horcrux, which is I think wrong. He didn't make himself into one, he became one. I mean if you split your soul into 2 pieces one piece is contained with-in whatever you decided on and the other is still in you so that's how Voldemort is a horcrux.

I think personally that JK herself has not yet decided whether she will kill Harry off in the end. If the last word in book 7 is in fact scar it could simply be that once he destroys Voldemort, his scar will dissapear.

So he could be one but still live.

In Book 1/Chapter 1, McGonagall asks DD if there is anything he can do about the scar on baby Harry. Doesn't he reply with something like, "Even if I could, I wouldn't"? Or something to that effect.

I'd like to think the scar is a horcrux (I just think it's cool). But if a horcrux can be destroyed, then it seems that DD could have removed it from Harry a long time ago.

i also think that this a really good theory. but i'd say harry's scar is the horcrux, not harry himself. and i don't think that DD would be able to take the scar off that easily off of harry-maybe his scar is cursed or something?

but here's another theory, what if, when voldemort went to kill harry, he left a horcrux at his parents house in godrics hollow?

Ok, when Dumbledore is talking with Harry, he says he believes Nagini is the 6th horcrux. But, does this really make since? Let's look at the facts.

If Dumbledore is correct that Voldemort was planning to create the 6th horcrux with Harry's death then he should have had the object with him on the night he killed the potters. Now, we know that this failed and we know that Wormtail took all Voldemort's items after his death and later returned them to him. If this is true (and as far as we know, it is) I think it would be safe to assume that he still had whatever it was he was originally going to make the Horcrux from. So there would be no need to use Nagini. Plus, when JK is describing the death of the old man, nothing Voldemort does seems out of the ordinary for a regular Avada Kedavra death, and as Dombledore states, only significant deaths were used to make horcrux...there was nothing significant about this old man's death. AND at the time of the old man's death, Voldy had no reason to believe that his other horcruxs were in danger so he would have no reason to rush into making a horcrux from a non-important death. AND if Dumbledore knew that it wasn't wise to make a horcrux out of something living, then surely voldy (who was one of the greatest dark wizards of all time) would have figured as much.

On a related note, if Voldemort was going to make a Horcrux out of something that was Godric Grffyndor's, Godrics Hollow would be the perfect place to do so eh? Perhaps the Horcrux is something located there, which will bring Harry back to his old house and the place of his parents death. <dramatic gasp>


What do you think?

that voldi made a horcrux item that night (hary not included) i doubt since he didnt want to kill harry's mother. (about his father we dont know) he just wanted to kill harry so logically that would be the kill for the horcrux, but that kill didnt happen.

It is possible that harry(or his scar) is a horcrux when teh killing curse backfired.

i think that voldi hid his ring on the place he found it(his mothers family house) and thats where dumbledore found it so i think voldi likes to put horcruxes in places where he did some things important (like the cave)

I just don't know what to do anymore... No one believes in the Changeling Hypothesis anymore, even though it works perfectly with this thread. I see some good theories out here, but some people are very skeptical that JKR would make it so that Harry would need to be killed off. You've obviously forgotten the meaning of the word "either." It can mean one or the other or both. (ie: Grass was growing on either side of the sidewalk.) This is quite possible, and since Harry has no knowledge whatsoever of which founder owned what, or the magical power that DD had, it is almost likely that he himself or his scar is a horcrux. I've been trying to get this theory out there for months but nobody's really believed it.

Mmm... this idea, that is to say, Harry is one of Voldemort's Horcruxes, was the first thing that occurred to me when Dumbledore was going on about something of Gryffindor's or Ravenclaw's, too. I don't think there's any way that Voldemort would have intentionally made Harry a Horcrux, but we all know that there was something funny about that curse that should have killed him, so it's quite possible that something went awry and a bit of Voldemort's soul ended up inside Harry by mistake. It holds very nicely with the Changeling Hypothesis, I have to admit. Nevertheless, having considered the matter for a while now (well, for forty-eight hours, at any rate), I've reached the conclusion that this is extremely unlikely. Voldemort can't possess Harry because Harry is so full of that mysterious power, which we now know is love ... so why should a bit of him be able to exist within Harry's body for sixteen years? Also, even if Harry is in reality one of Voldemort's Horcruxes, I think there's a definite possibility that he could get rid of Voldemort without having to die himself. (I personally don't think that Harry will die in the series.) There is a way for Harry to force Voldemort out of his mind -- Occlumency -- so perhaps there is a way for him to force Voldemort out of his physical form. This is only guesswork on my part, of course, but I do like this idea and I'm willing to consider any possible outcome that will not result in Harry's ultimate death, at this point...

There's only one problem with that theory... the same thing occurred to me... but then Harry would have to kill himself before killing Voldemort. It doesn't work.

The only way that it can work, is if Harry's scar was a horcrux, not made on purpose, and therefore might not have to be destroyed before Voldemort is killed. That way, when Voldemort dies, the scar disappears and all of Voldemort is gone... ???????

Hi this is one of my first post still getting used to it all.
Been watching for a while, and finally decided to add my thoughts

Kinder shows i'm new at this as it was in the wrong place following a thred that had gone off topic but I think it's in it's right home now

finally people found the way to this topic after we changed the whole r.a.b post into a horcrux post that the mods didnt like. read there for aditional information on page 5/6/7/8 of the stickied R.A.B. post