Maybe Dumbledore, knowing he was going to get killed by Snape, has left Harry a letter (containing advice and instructions) in his will.
e.g. his theories on other horcruxes or advising him to go back to school etc
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Yeah, this could well happen, as I think it would be little weird for the whole book to take place out of Hogwarts. I mean, no matter what Hermione would do for her friends, I guess she would be gutted she couldn't do new N.E.W.T's! Also, its J.K said 7 books, one for each year at school so I am hoping that Hogwarts is going to feature in it, plus by being at Hogwarts Harry will be able to communicate with Dumbledore through his portrait.
Yes I agree Dumbledore will leave Harry and other order members items from a will. I also think he will give Harry his penisive so harry can work out the location of the last 4 horcuxes.
hmm i didnt really think about a will, but i did think about something similar... well, i reckon that Dumbledore knew that he was going to die very soon because i believe in the Snape-is-innocent theory. And like he said in Philosopher's Stone, "To the well-organised mind, death is but the next great adventure", therefore, I reckon Dumbledore was indeed well-oranised & must've made sure he left some sort of instructions, or at least, advice, to Harry, to guide him. Like i said in a previous post, Harry might've matured but there is so much more to learn and we can see throughout the book that Harry is nowhere as sharp as Dumbledore. I just cant imagine how Dumbledore could've possibly left Harry to do what he must do completely alone and based only on the information he has given him through those memories. I just dont believe that Harry has undergone all he can to be completely emotionally and mentally prepared for what awaits him.
Dumbledore has proven time and again that he is an extremely clever man, blessed somewhat with the gift of foresight. Given that he knew all along that the Death Eaters were attempting to have him killed, there is no way that he would have neglected to prepare for the event that they succeeded. In short; I think what you are stating is obvious.
Since Dumbledore believes that for the organized mind death is not a bad thing, just the start of a new adventure, he was certain to have a will. What do you think he left to people? I think he left Harry Godric Gryffindor's sword, and the pensieve. I don't know what else though.
I don't think DD can leave Godric's Sword to anyone, because that's not his, that's the school's, it's a relic of one of the founders that I do not believe to be DD's. But the Pensieve... could be.
I agree that the Sword belongs to the school but I also think that perhaps the pensieve will be left to the next Head of the school (McGonagall) because its not really somethng that a younger wizard or witch will be able to use very well as they don't have as much running around their head as the Head of Hogwarts will. Although Harry will have a lot on his mind I doubt he'd want it swirling around in a bowl for anyone to find because it could cause a lot of troublefor him.
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As with DADA teachers and the variety of belongings comming and going with them, there would be a great number of personal items of DD's that would need to be passed on to make room for the new headteachers (if there is one).
We know of DD's brother but is there any other family out there??
I think that DD would leave Harry some items and these are sure to be of great importance.
We know of DD's brother but is there any other family out there??
I think that DD would leave Harry some items and these are sure to be of great importance.
I imagine Dumbledore's will may state that most of his belongings will go to the school and the hospital for charity. Thats the type of person I see Albus Dumbledore as. However, his most important possessions might be left to Harry so he can finish sleuthing and vanguish Voldemort. For example, the ring that used to be one of Voldemort's horcruxes. Even though the gem is cracked, Marvolo Gaunt said the gem bears the Peverell coat of arms. Peverell must be another ancient Wizard family Voldemort is related to. Maybe the ring's past (besides being owned by the Gaunts) can help Harry trace the other horcruxes.
The reason I say the penseive is because it might hold some of dumbledores old memories, of maybe destroying the ring and the reason as to why Snape killed him, or other useful knowledge Harry might need to help him.
thats funny. i was mowing my lawn and i was thinking and i was like dumbledore must have written a will! i was gonna come back and start a new topic but someone already has! oh well! 
yeah so like dumbledore HAD to know he was gonna die soon so he had to write a will.
i think he left a lot of things to harry bc dumbledore really respects harry.
and i think he prolly wrote who he wants to be the next headmaster/mistress --
hopefully mcgonagall!
yeah so like dumbledore HAD to know he was gonna die soon so he had to write a will.
i think he left a lot of things to harry bc dumbledore really respects harry.
and i think he prolly wrote who he wants to be the next headmaster/mistress --
hopefully mcgonagall!
I think Mcgonnagal(sp?) was already the new headmistress because she went to his office instead of her own after dumbledore died and it said something about her being the subheadmistress or something. I forget what they called it. Maybe he left harry a painting of himself.
i believe all his possessions were at hogwarts where he lived and there for left to the school.. JKR dose say harry will get a new pet.. i believe Falks goes to harry as he is the most loyal to dumbledor. however, this may also be on dumbledors orders.. but i doubt you cant tell a phoenix what to do so i doubt its in the will or by order. but i think falks goes to harry
I believe that Faulkes flew away in mourning, and though he does seem to like Harry, it is written in Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them that Phoenixes are very difficult to attain respect from/domesticate, and it takes a great wizard/witch to do so. It is likely that he may return to his mountain home now that he no longer has Dumbledore. Perhaps he'll find that Hogwarts has become his home, and stay in the Headmaster's Office. Harry said he would not return to Hogwarts, so it is unlikely he has time to take care of the Phoenix. Dumbledore understands that Faulkes is a creature of great respect and i doubt he would "leave" him to someone in a will, as he does not really "own" him. But Faulkes may help Harry since he was loyal to Dumbledore.
I'm really sorry for breaking up the discussion here guys. But there's already an existing thread on Dumbledore's will and it's here, so I have to lock this. If you had search for 'Dumbledore's Will', you would surely won't find it, due to spoiler, we're opted not to put his name on the title thread. Anyone who has finished reading HBP wouldn't have to guess much if they saw the 'His Will' on the title, me think...
I trust we'd better keep it to one topic for this. We wouldn't want to read or write the same thing over again, would we?
Sorry again, I hope anyone who has posted here could copy and paste their posts in the thread I mentioned above. Thanks.
I trust we'd better keep it to one topic for this. We wouldn't want to read or write the same thing over again, would we?
Sorry again, I hope anyone who has posted here could copy and paste their posts in the thread I mentioned above. Thanks.
Yes, I have to agree. I mean, Dumbledore is a clever wizard. I just didn't see it coming when Snape killed him...I'm thinking that Dumbledore had something planned out like everyone is saying. But I'm thinking that if Hogwarts is closed until students are safe within it's walls that (as some said) that Harry isn't ready for the trails that lie ahead of him. I am just wondering if that is Black's brother was killed because he was trying to leave, where might be the real horcruxe that he took? Did he distory it or did he hide it? I mean to say, Black's brother is dead along with Sirius as well.
With reference to this post by Zyra, sorry mate...just reopening this thread ([Mod Edited]'s Will started by KiwiSocks) for a wee sec to let you know that I'm merging this topic with the existing one that Zyra made mention of in that post.
Can I echo her comments asking people to please do a search of the forum before creating new topics?
Thanks.
Can I echo her comments asking people to please do a search of the forum before creating new topics?
Thanks.
Yeah, I though the same. He MUST'VE done it, because he was the only one going this FAR on tracking down Voldemort and his past. He probably left Harry the Peniseve too?
kk this just came to me, and its really really crazy...
MERLIN!!!!!!
if portraits can provide advice, why cudnt DD have the say "only" portriat of MERLIN! he with out a doubt is/was the most powerful wizard of his time /of all time, and wud be able to teach harry using a portrait how to kill Voldemort.
tht is crazy i know, but we have herd alot about order of merlin 1st class ect..so it wudnt be COMPLETELY out of the blue, crazy i know....
MERLIN!!!!!!
if portraits can provide advice, why cudnt DD have the say "only" portriat of MERLIN! he with out a doubt is/was the most powerful wizard of his time /of all time, and wud be able to teach harry using a portrait how to kill Voldemort.
tht is crazy i know, but we have herd alot about order of merlin 1st class ect..so it wudnt be COMPLETELY out of the blue, crazy i know....
I think Harry will get Dumbledores wand. And the Phoenix belongs still Dubledore but can maybe help Harry if he is in great danger and staus (of cource) DD's man.
I also beleave DD will tells Harry must go back to Hogwarts.
I also beleave DD will tells Harry must go back to Hogwarts.
| QUOTE (shezachica85 @ Jul 19 2005, 08:17 PM) |
| i believe all his possessions were at hogwarts where he lived and there for left to the school.. JKR dose say harry will get a new pet.. i believe Falks goes to harry as he is the most loyal to dumbledor. however, this may also be on dumbledors orders.. but i doubt you cant tell a phoenix what to do so i doubt its in the will or by order. but i think falks goes to harry |
Where has Rowling said that Harry will get a new pet? I haven't seen that. It would be very good news indeed for Harry if he were to inherit Fawkes, indeed; I had the same idea myself, but I remembered that at the end of HBP we were told that 'the Pheonix song would never again be heard in the castle' - or something along those lines. So I dunno. Plus, Harry getting a new pet might mean Buckbeak, maybe? He belongs to Harry now.
His Pensieve - again, good idea. I don't know if Harry really knows how to use it though. Up until HBP he had never even used it with Dumbledore's permission. He doesn't know how to release thoughts into it to be viewed - although, he has seen it done many times. And I'm not entirely sure that he knows how to get out of a memory once inside. We've never seen him return from being inside a memory himself - he's always had someone to pull him out of it. Maybe Pensieves come with step-by-step instructions, who knows.
He won't inherit Dumbledore's wand.
Why not his wand?
I had the idea with the wand because Harry’s wand wouldn't work properly against Voldemort, and Olivander has disappeared (he was captured by the DE, I suppose)
I had the idea with the wand because Harry’s wand wouldn't work properly against Voldemort, and Olivander has disappeared (he was captured by the DE, I suppose)
| QUOTE (kathrina @ Jul 24 2005, 04:09 PM) |
| Why not his wand? I had the idea with the wand because Harry’s wand wouldn't work properly against Voldemort, and Olivander has disappeared (he was captured by the DE, I suppose) |
It's just a feeling, generally, that it won't happen, more than anything.
Wands always choose the people that they are sold to in Ollivander's shop, so I don't think that Dumbledore's wand would be suited to Harry. Plus, the fact that LV & Harry both have wand-cores that came from the same Pheonix has always been somewhat of a symbol of their being equals. I think it's more likely that Priori Incantatum will help Harry in his task of killing Voldemort, than hinder it. Remember in Goblet Of Fire - Voldemort had a look of fear on his face when he realised what was happening, with the wands. To be honest, I'm not saying that it will happen again - rather, I think that Harry will defeat Voldemort in some other, more befitting way than in an open duel. Finally: if Dumbledore or anyone anyone had thought that it was a good idea for Harry to have a new wand, then they would have arranged for him to attain a new one before now.
I'm not sure if this has been asked yet but how do you think book 7 will begin, for me the beginning will either be,
1, harry reliving dumbledores death in a dream.
2, voldemort confronting draco about why he didn't kill dumbledore.
3, a daily prophet story about hogwarts future, dumbledores death and harry vowing revenge.
Thats what i think, what do you think.
UPDATE
I have just had another idea on how the book might start,
4, voldemort kicking-in the door on number 12 having just been told by snape where the order are because i think when dumbledore died, i think the secret keeper charm died with him.
1, harry reliving dumbledores death in a dream.
2, voldemort confronting draco about why he didn't kill dumbledore.
3, a daily prophet story about hogwarts future, dumbledores death and harry vowing revenge.
Thats what i think, what do you think.
UPDATE
I have just had another idea on how the book might start,
4, voldemort kicking-in the door on number 12 having just been told by snape where the order are because i think when dumbledore died, i think the secret keeper charm died with him.
harry being in dursley's and then leaving to godric hollow! ahahah i think..
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I think it would be very interesting to have a different beginning as DarkFlux has suggested in #2 above. A confrontation between Voldemort, Snape, and Draco would be a great read right off the bat.
yep. the number two idea: voldy talking to draco.
that would be a great begining. voldy yelling at draco.
great begining!
that would be a great begining. voldy yelling at draco.
great begining!
i think all of those would be good starters, J.K. usually starts off with harryy sleeping or something, she'll always tell some story about whats happeining far away and then say something like "many miles away harry potter heard the booming voice of uncle vernon telling him to get out of bed", or something of that nature. i think the one where voldermort is plotting or confronting draco would be the most likely.
That would be a good idea with voldemort telliing of Draco.but i think after that it will start with harry waking up then looking down at his notes. notes that are tring to figure out where the horexes are. and then he over hear's Mrs. Wesley yelling at Ron not to go with harry to find such tarrible dark Magic ,and that you should leave that to the Minestry. this i think should take place late at night. then harry starts to walk down the stars to hear better and finds hermione there signaling him to be quite. then harry will start to think that it would be better if he went alone but hermione sees the look on his face and tries to knock the thought out if him in the morning.Harry agress but he still feels bad about it.
I personally think that the begining of book seven will be the daily prophet stating the future of Hogwarts. An article of Dumbledores death but than i think Harry will be returning to the Dursleys with Ron and Hermione and she will be reading the daily prophet.
| QUOTE (darkflux @ Jul 27 2005, 05:24 PM) |
| 4, voldemort kicking-in the door on number 12 having just been told by snape where the order are because i think when dumbledore died, i think the secret keeper charm died with him. |
well if he does kick in the door of number 12, it doesn't really matter because the order doesn't stay there, and it belongs to bellatrix now
Actually, littlexoxlotte, Grimauld Place (spelling?) belongs to Harry, as shown by Kreachers obedience (as much as he hates it) to Harrys orders. I think that maybe Voldemort will confront Snape and Draco, but seeing as Snape (in my eyes) is deep down a good guy will tell Voldemort that Draco killed Dumbledore as ordered, since Snape is an accomplished Legilimens. Then Snape would be able to tell Voldemort where the Order HQ is. But the Order would realize that their secret keeper was dead and not stay in the open. So Voldemort would show up, be worshipped by Mrs. Blacks painting, and then he'll probably blow the heck out of the house since he will have narrowly missed destroying the Order. Just my two cents.
I think it is highly possible that it starts like it did with GoF. Harry having a dream, but really a true vision, of Voldemort confronting Snape and Malfoy. Then Harry wakes up to maybe his scar hurting, like GoF. The next morning, the Daily Prophet will come and it will mention the new Headmaster/Headmistriss. Then after his birthday, he will go to the Burrow for Bill and Fleur's wedding and afterwards he, Ron, Hermione, and possible Ginny, go to Godric's Hollow.
i like voldemort telling off draco, but i think it will start somewhere else like maybe the entrance of a new character?
Sorry to tell you, sphinx, but JKR stated that no new characters will be introduced after book 6.
Anyway, I definitely do not think the book will start with or even include Voldemort entering Grimmauld Place, because Snape is not secret Keeper and therefore cannot give away its location. But because DD is dead, I think Harry will become secret keeper, as he owns the house.
I think it will either start out with a Voldemort/Draco/Snape scene or a story in the daily prophet about DD's death and the future of Hogwarts.
Anyway, I definitely do not think the book will start with or even include Voldemort entering Grimmauld Place, because Snape is not secret Keeper and therefore cannot give away its location. But because DD is dead, I think Harry will become secret keeper, as he owns the house.
I think it will either start out with a Voldemort/Draco/Snape scene or a story in the daily prophet about DD's death and the future of Hogwarts.
i like the idea of Draco and Voldemort for the opening chapter but realistically i think it will start with Harry's dream or thought, involving Dumbledore and/or Snape.
volemort and draco would be a good idea, but i dont think that voldemort is the kinda character who would yell at draco or question him as to why he couldn't finish off dumbledore...someone like voldemort would not need to ask him that i reckon...never know though...
| QUOTE (Sir_Chrissy_Poo @ Aug 6 2005, 09:35 PM) |
| Actually, littlexoxlotte, Grimauld Place (spelling?) belongs to Harry, as shown by Kreachers obedience (as much as he hates it) to Harrys orders. I think that maybe Voldemort will confront Snape and Draco, but seeing as Snape (in my eyes) is deep down a good guy will tell Voldemort that Draco killed Dumbledore as ordered, since Snape is an accomplished Legilimens. Then Snape would be able to tell Voldemort where the Order HQ is. But the Order would realize that their secret keeper was dead and not stay in the open. So Voldemort would show up, be worshipped by Mrs. Blacks painting, and then he'll probably blow the heck out of the house since he will have narrowly missed destroying the Order. Just my two cents. |
um no... it belongs to harry but harry can't get into there because only blood relatives of the black family can live in the house.... so the rightful owner of the house, because of the magic placed on it, belongs to bellatrix.... so um.. yeah
and also... im book six DD said that the order doesn't stay at number 12 grimaund place anymore... so i highly doubt voldemort is going to "narrowly miss destroying the order"
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Ok well we have theories about the ending, what about where it will begin?
I have a couple of theories that have been thrown around in my head.
1. J.K. Rowling begins with the conversation between Dumbeldore and Snape, the one Hagrid overheard.
2. Go back to the night Trelawney made her prediction
3. Start at Bill and Fleurs wedding
and thats all i have.
Ok well we have theories about the ending, what about where it will begin?
I have a couple of theories that have been thrown around in my head.
1. J.K. Rowling begins with the conversation between Dumbeldore and Snape, the one Hagrid overheard.
2. Go back to the night Trelawney made her prediction
3. Start at Bill and Fleurs wedding
and thats all i have.
how bout snape and voldy. good place to start though answer a couple of questions atleast.
I think it will be Harry B-day and she will write some stuff about the Dursleys and then Harry goes to Bill's wedding.
Or it can be Voldemort scolding Malfoy for not killing Dumbledore and giving it to snape to do.
Those sre my ideas but I'm still not sure
Or it can be Voldemort scolding Malfoy for not killing Dumbledore and giving it to snape to do.
Those sre my ideas but I'm still not sure
I like the theory that it will start by having a conversation between Voldemort, Snape, and possibly Malfoy. But I think that it will start at the Dursleys leading up to Harry's 17th Birthday.
Perhaps a dream that reminds Harry of something he forgot, that makes him realize DD is not dead. But that's really just wishful thinking from me .
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I personally think that book 7 will begin the earliest of any of them, including HBP. Maybe even before he gets back to the Dursley's on the train home after the funeral, because I found it odd that that was where she ended the book, instead of on the train or platform as she normally does. It didn't seem to quite fit, unless the entire year was important in the next book, including the ride home. But that's just my opinion.
[SIZE=7][COLOR=red][FONT=Courier] I have a couple of ideas of what she(JK Rowling) could probably begin with1. Discover who RAB(which from the two-way mirror in mugglenet.com is supposedly Regulus Black) is
2. Voldemort is scheming some new plan
3. Harry is pondering over what the last horcux might possibly be (and could still be in deinal the Dumbledore is gone)
i think the reason she did not include the journy home because she had not yet decided wether or not the dursley's are going to change their tone with him. i think book 7 will start at the dursley's and ron and hermionie will be there, harry and ron will have already have passed their apparation tests and they will be getting ready to apparate of to the burrow.
I have a few theories:
1) Voldemort having a conversation with Snape and Malfoy about Dumbledore being dead. Something big might happen here.
2) Bills wedding. We know that they are going to attend Bills wedding, and i dont think Harry, Hermione, and Ron will want to put their journey looking for horcruxes on hold to go to a wedding
3) Harry going to Privet Drive and finding out something happened to the Dursleys, at least Petunia as Voldemort might find out how important Petunia is to Harry's safety.
But, there are so many other possibilities its hard to just pick one or two.
1) Voldemort having a conversation with Snape and Malfoy about Dumbledore being dead. Something big might happen here.
2) Bills wedding. We know that they are going to attend Bills wedding, and i dont think Harry, Hermione, and Ron will want to put their journey looking for horcruxes on hold to go to a wedding
3) Harry going to Privet Drive and finding out something happened to the Dursleys, at least Petunia as Voldemort might find out how important Petunia is to Harry's safety.
But, there are so many other possibilities its hard to just pick one or two.
Haha you're right, it's hard to choose, and obviously JKR gets to make the final decision. But I'm pretty much liking the idea of beginning with a conversation between Snape and Voldemort, and then switching to Harry stopping by the Dursleys' just long enough to still have Petunia's protection.
Hey guys, just to let y'all know that I've merged the recent topic created by cantwait (Book 7 Beginning) with an older duplicate I found by darkflux. There were already quite a few posts made in the former so I thought it best to just do a merge instead of locking one.
Just to clarify things so that there's no confusion as to what has happened.
Just to clarify things so that there's no confusion as to what has happened.
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