Ok, so we know Voldemort tried to kill Harry and was also performing the horcrux spell. Now, there are a lot of theories saying that Harry is the horcrux but this doesn't make since because Voldemort never actually killed anyone to make a horcrux like he intended to. The Avada Kedarva spell back-fired so actually it was Harry who technically did the killing. Could it be that the horcrux was then made for Harry? and possibly Voldemort is Harry's horcrux? And this would explain the connection between Voldy and Harry. Maybe his scar is a way of keeping track of his Horcrux...this is why it reacts to different things Voldy is doing and Voldy's location.

Yes, I realize this is a little out of left field, but it was just a thought.

What do you think?

Voldemort had probably cast the spell already and chose Harry's body as the horcrux, Harry's death would rip a part of Voldemorts soul (as intended) and Harry's corpse or some par of him would become the last needed horcrux, however, I believe that since the spell backfire, it destroyed voldemort, and ripped his soul itself, the spell ripped a part and harry absorbed it, a non sentient part, that is manifested in powers and abilities that Harry shows that Voldemort Has, Voldemort on the other hand was ripped differently from what he expected and weakened

Well...in my opinion...Voldy sounded pretty convinced that seven was a special number ...a magical number...hence i believe that he would create seven horcruxes and no more!!

And according to Dumbledore...the seven Horcruxes are pretty much figured out...besides as dark lord said...Voldemort's spell backfired...so in other words it's quite a far fetched theory...but it takes real brains to come to this theory!!!

There's no way Voldemort is Harry's horcrux, no way! First of all, Harry didn't KILL anyone - he didn't kill Voldemort either thanks to Voldemort's horcruxes, so there's no murder. Secondly, it takes more than mere murder to make a horcrux or there would be millions of horcruxes around for everyone who's murdered someone. Murder merely splits the soul; it takes MORE to create a vessel to put the split part of the soul into thereby creating a horcrux. And thirdly, how could a one year old Harry perform the complex bit of Dark magic it would've taken to create a horcrux?

Not possible.

It's not that far-fetched an idea if you actually sit and consider it for a while, actually.

It's pretty likely that Voldemort went to the Potters that night to get the last thing he wanted for a Horcrux - we know he collected trophies from his victims - Dumbeldore said that. So what did he aim to take from the Potters? We still don't know what they even did for a living...what if they had the remaining relic from the founders that Voldemort wanted? What if, in the process of trying to kill Harry and obtain the Horcrux, whatever curse he used rebounded on himself? No one, not even Dumbledore knew why the curse rebounded the way it did or why it had the consequence for Voldemort that it did. Harry didn't die because he was protected by Lily's sacrifice, so what if that intended curse that was designed to kill Harry and therefore allow him to obtain the final Horcrux he was looking for rebounded on him?

I can see a situation in the end where Harry realises that he needs to die as well as Voldemort - so he arranges it so they're both killed at the same time then just when you think it's all over....Harry wakes up because the part of his soul that was within Voldemort is released and returns to Harry...giving him the second chance, making the scar finally disappear.

So, all in all, this doesn't appear to be that far-fetched an idea at all...not as far fetched as some of the wilder theories that have been presented before.

As was stated in the book Volde didnt go to the Potter's House for a Horcrux, he went to kill Harry because he heard the prophecy.

Well yes, that was part of it...but it still doesn't stop the Potters from being in possession of something, does it? Especially when JKr went out of her way to hammer home how Voldemort takes trophies - before or after he kills? We weren't told, so I don't think anyone should be quite so quick to dismiss theories without at least thinking outside the box for a second.

I don’t think that Voldemort has a piece of Harry’s soul in him, but I am a firm believer in the "Harry is one of Voldemorts horcrux" theory. We don’t know that much about Horcruxes, especially how to make one. We do know three things however:

1) In order to separate your soul you have to take a life, so it involves killing.

2) Voldemort went to kill Harry while trying to find a place to put a piece of his soul, the last piece for a Horcrux.

3) Harry's mother's love protected him from the AK, the KILLING CURSE.

So, curse backfires, Voldemort has 2/7 of his soul left, one for him that he never loses, and one for the sixth Horcrux. He gets hit with his own curse, can only think of escaping and doesn’t realize that a piece of his soul is with Harry.

Now stay with me here. After he is revived in the fourth book he duels with Harry using the AK, obviously trying to kill him. But doesn’t it seem like ever since then he has not been trying to kill Harry so much as capture him. Maybe after Harry got away in the fourth book, Voldemort tried to create the final Horcrux and COULDN'T! Well Voldemorts not stupid. I'm sure that he put two and two together and is now trying to capture Harry to extract his soul, his as in Voldemorts. And if you think about it, he gave the death eaters orders not to kill Harry and didn't tell them why, just like he didn’t tell Malfoy Sr. about the diary. It all fits together. And Harry couldn’t make Voldemort a horcrux because you have to take a life in order to make one, and at this point, Voldemort was semi-immortal.

This makes the most sense! Exactly what I was thinking and couldnt put into words (yet anyway!)

Let's also think about Godric's Hollow...are the Potters decendents of Gryffindor? Harry is returning to Godric's Hollow, will he discover something that could have belonged to GG that was created as a horcrux by Voldemort when James was killed? or even created when V attempted to kill Harry? Perhaps that is why the Potters "thrice defied" the Dark Lord - they refused to give him an artifact that had belonged to GG. So...why not kill two birds with one stone (so to speak) get the object that belonged to GG and attack Harry in order to fulfill the prophesy.

No,I don't think Lord Voldemort is Harry's Horcrux.Dumbledore said that if someone were to split his soul he's going to have something less than life.Like Voldemort you can lose your feelings.I don't think Harry has given us any reason to say that he hasn't got feelings or looking unhuman(like Voldemort).But maybe if the ripped soul was just a small part there could have been a creation of a Horcrux.When we see Voldemort through the years he's becoming more and more unhuman like.When we see him after the cration of the first Horcruxes(perhaps the ring,the locked and the cup)he's still normal(atleast on the outside)but when he went to "Hogwarts"to pretend to look for a job he was all different(more Voldemort nowadays like).This tells us that the more you rip your soul-the more you loose your human looks and feelings.

However I still don't think Voldemort could be a Horcrux.Maybe the spell/potion should be done by the "soul-splitter"(if I can call him that way) not by itself.

I dont think that LV is Harry's Horcrus for three reasons:

- It is stated that is not enough to kill someone in order to make a Horcrux. You need a spell as well. The one-year-old Harry obviously didnt cast it.
- DD said that is really Dark Magic and i dont think Jo will ever make Harry be involved with this kind of stuff. Having your soul separated in two pieces....*shudder*
- If LV was indeed Harry's Horcrux, DD would have known that(as he knew almost everything about LV's Horcruxes) and im sure he would have told Harry.

Chap23, "Horcruxes" p497-498:
"A Horcrux is the word used for an object in which a person has concealed part of their soul."
"I don't understand how it works, though, sir" {cut}
"Well, you split your soul, you see," said Slughorn, "and hide part of it in an object outside the body. Then, even if one's body attacked or destroyed, one cannot die, for part of the soul remains earthbound and undamaged." {cut}
"But how do you do it?"
"By and act of evil-the supreme act of evil. By committing murder. Killing rips the soul apart. The wizard intent upon creating a Horcrux would use the damage to his advantage: He would encase the torn potion-"
"Encase? But how-?"
"There is a spell, do not ask me, I don't know!"

This was just a reminder.
So first, you have to kill someone.
Second, you split your soul.
Third, you hide that piece of soul in an object with a spell in order to make a horcrux.
Result: No matter who tries to kill you and even if your body is destroyed, you will never die because the piece of soul in your body will never die. It's simply immortal.

We know that no one died that night.

I don't think so, because it seems horcruxes must be made with intent through a spell by a witch or wizard who has done murder. Harry has no desire to make a horcrux and has never murdered anyone.

Kats - I'm like you and have explored this in several different directions, but nothing works!!

I really don't see how Lord Voldemort could be a horcrux. Going back to all of your reasoning with the rebound and all of that, Harry did not intentionally kill Lord Voldemort. It was Lord Voldemorts wand that emitted the curse, not Harrys (Harry didn't have a wand then )
Another part to my explanation is that you have to perform an incantation as said by Prof. Slughorn in HBP. and unless Voldemort wanted to give Harry a horcrux and peform the incantation for him, then THERE IS NO WAY THAT VOLDEMOT CAN BE A HORCRUX

In short, I agree with wouldbeginny. wouldbeginny, how are your hands feeling? That was an awful lot of typing!

Well, thats my 2 cents
Thank You Very Much

If Harry is an Horcrux, then how couldn't Lily's blood and the love in his blood destroy Voldemort's soul? And Harry would have to kill himself to get rid of one of the Horcruxes, so who is going to kill him?

Ok, first of all, harry has never killed anyone. One might argue that he killed Quirell, but in a sense of thinking, he commited suicide by following the Dark Lords orders, harry never raised his wand against Quirell. Also, one might argue that he kill Tom Riddle, but Tom was still a memory when he defeated him. Baby Harry didn't suceed in killing lord voldemort or even try to kill him. It was an "accident" that the spell backfired. Also harry would have to know how to perform the horcrux incantation, which is impossible considering that he didn't know what they were in the first place.

Haha, I was flipping through this forum and I saw the topic "Is Voldemort Harry's Horcrux?" and I thought to myself who on earth would come up with such a ridiculous thread?!? Then I realized it was me lol. Well, just for the record, I do not believe Voldy is a horcrux of Harry, nor do I believe it even possible. I think I must have made this thread almost immediately after reading the book, before I had time to really understand what I had read

The main reason i think vodly cant be a horcrux of Harry is because Harry did not committ a supreme act of evil the night his parents were killed, so he couldnt have split his soul so it couldnt have in anyway gotten into voldy, and even if it did but some miraculous turn of events, voldies body was destroyed shortly after neway.

Another item to point out is that Dumbledore said that Voldy slowly lost his humanity over the years. It took Dumbledore many years to realize it was from Voldy splitting his soul. That was the reason he looked less than human. Since Harry looks completely normal I would not think it was possible that his soul was ever split.

Yeah, wild theories can be fun, but they're always a risk. But that's what makes them fun. Better to risk even if it might seem a bit foolish later, especially if the only possible harm would be to maybe a look a bit foolish.

Anyway, I agree, Voldemort himself can't be any sort of horcrux. One other thing about the idea --- a horcrux has be stored within something. But Voldemort existed in such a spectral form for a long time --- there was no physical form for the storage.

I don't think so, cause harry's scar is not the horcrux. The scar was there cause of the proficie(sorry, cant spell) It was to mark him as is equal.
Also voldamort did not use the correct spell. Adva Kedavera is not a spell for horcrux, its for death.

Sorry, absolutly impossible. Harry didn't Kill VM, he just wonded him past recognition. Besides if he did kill VM then I think he didn't do it on purpose like VM kills all his victims. It was completely and totally self-defense, no court would accuse Harry Potter of murder. Besides if Harry had some how split his sole, there has to be some special spell to make your soul part into a horocrux and bind it someother object.

Ok, here’s my opinion. If you’re going on the conclusion that Voldemort’s spell(s) rebounded off of Harry and hit Voldemort instead, I could see how there might be the very slightest possibility. But here’s my reasoning behind that. I could be wrong, but I don’t recall the book saying whether the horcrux spell must be done before or after the act of extreme evil. However, I would assume that it would more than likely have to be just before. This is, of course, just my assumption. Now, thinking along those lines, it’s slightly conceivable that, since Dumbledore believed Voldemort was going to use Harry’s death to create his final horcrux, Voldemort’s horcrux spell (since it must have been in some form of limbo because it wasn’t completed by the act of evil) as well as the Killing Curse rebounded. In that case, I could see the possibility that not only did Voldemort’s spells rebound, but also the act of evil since. even though he ended up basically attacking himself, he was still the caster of the spells and so his should be the act that should matter and not Harry’s. However, it might seem to me that, were that even possible (which I doubt) and were it to happen (which I doubt), that it would still be Voldemort’s soul that was torn, making him his own horcrux. However, since he didn’t actually succeed in killing either Harry or himself, it couldn’t have completed the horcrux spell.

So someone did think of this afterall i was just too lazy to search through the forum for this theory. Anyways I support this theory.. somehow when the Avada kedavra backfired something from Harry could have transfered to Voldy. 8-) We'll see..

Very interesting and tempting theory, but I don't think it is right. First of all, and most importantly, Harry did not kill Voldemort - he merely destroyed the Dark Lord's physical body. His soul, however, remained unharmed. Secondly, about the scar - in HPB, Dumbledore said that he doesn't belive that LV can feel it when a horcrux is being destroyed. Therefore, Harry shouldn't be able to feel what Voldemort is doing/thinking/feeling if LV is his horcrux. But instead, he has a different connection to the Dark Lord because of the spelled that backfired.

This is a nice theory that you have here, but I am afraid I will have to disagree. Correct me if I am wrong, but Harry would have had to perform a spell in order to rip his soul into two parts and place it into Lord Voldemort. If Harry did not do this, for he was a baby, then how could part of Harry's soul be inside Voldemort? And like Bluezz said, Harry really did not "kill" Lord Voldemort, for at the time he was immortal. Harry only killed the body.

-Horace Slughorn

Im afraid Id have to disagree to. Harry is not a horcrux because Harry did not die!!!. A horcrux is only created when someones soul is ripped in half, but Harry did not die, they just transfered powers.

No possible way. Harry couldn't have cast a spell as a baby and split his soul in half and place it into Voldemort . .didn't Voldemort disappear right afterwards? Harry is a powerful wizard, but he isn't that powerful. It is highly improbably for Voldemort to be Harry's horcrux. . . Plus, technically, he didn't kill Voldemort. . .and Harry's scar is pretty weird but Dumbledore would have known if something was up and if Harry had a horcrux. . .

wouldbeginny pretty much sums up my feelings.

I think thats a really good idea. Because harry was yound he woudln't understand about Horcruxes and stuff so he would think of it. but yes Voldemort may be a horcrux. but i dont think people can be horcrix. i don't see how that would work.

is there a possibility that harry killed part of LV's soul when the spell rebounded on LV??
'"i was ripped from my body, i was less than a spirit.....but still, i was alive"'
he was obviously alive because of his existing horcruxes but, could it mean that harry had inadvertantly killed part of LV's soul meaning that the horcruxes left are:
~the locket (possibly)
~the cup
~the snake
~the part in LV's body
and the bits already destroyed
~the diary
~the ring
~the part that was in LVs body on the night tried to kill harry and killed james and lily
anyone agree??

I don't want to be rude, but some of you people are idiots, or rather have just idiotic ideas.

1) Voldemort is NOT a horcrux. Harry DOES NOT have any horcruxes and never will, he is one PURE intact soul, such as dumbledore suggests.

2) Harry is NOT a blasted horcrux! I'm going to use the argument everyone does. Voldemort wouldn't have made him a horcrux if he intends to kill him. And plus, how do you "accidentally" turn someone into a horcrux with the Avada Kedavra curse anyways. Some of these ideas are just plain stupid.

i dont think by any way voldy could be harrys hocrux .killing only doesnt make a hocrux .a bit of complex dark magic is also to be performed.how could a one year old harry perform it?

I agree on #1 that Harry is a intact soul. But NightRider17 we are only giving theories. Let people think what they want. You don't know the reason behind it. Your just just like everyone else here. We are all clueless as to what really happened. Voldemort obviously did not know he did it. That is if he really did do it. I mean if you really think about it Voldy transferred some of his power Harry. It is possible to receive such powers through a piece of soul. But if Voldy doesn't know he has done then it won't stop him killing Harry. But there probably could is a certain way to put the soul into something. But when Voldy attempted to kill Harry he had only one more horcrux to make.

While I do subscribe to the theory that Harry is one of Voldemort's horcruxes, I do not think that Voldemort is a horcrux to Harry. First of all, by definition a horcrux requires murder to tear the soul, and eventually split it. Harry never killed Voldemort, the spell that Voldemort cast was rebound upon himself, therefore Harry would have no torn soul... and hence.. no split soul that is required for a horcrux.

~Albus

No, i dont think voldy is harry's horcrux. Dont you have to perform some kind of spell or something to have a horcrux?

[quote name='Albus Dumbledore' date='Dec 25 2006, 07:20 PM' post='287743'
I do not think that Voldemort is a horcrux to Harry.

~Albus
[/quote]

Well there you go ... if Dumbledore himself says it, it must be true.

Hee hee

voldemort never killed anyone to make it? What are James and Lily chopped liver? they didnt just die of natural casues you know

Excuse me, were you talking to me? I am going to assume that you were referencing my post, where I spoke briefly of a lack of a murder. If you read the thread title again, as well as my post, giving a little attention to the detail you will realize that we are talking about Voldemort being a hocrux to Harry, not the other way around. Lily and James' deathz play no part in this theory but for the rebounding of the curse which is a by-product of Lily's Sacrifice. I understand how it can be misunderstood at a quick glance because of the wording of the title.

I stick by my convictions in my last post:



~Albus

Voldemort cant be a horcurx because harry never killed anyone rember you have to murder some one to split your soul and we know harry's soul is not ripped because dumbeldore talks about how voldemorts soul being weakened and harry's full and still intact remeber

harry is voldemorts horcrux a piece of voldemorts soul came out of him and when the spell back fired that piece of soul went to like in the only living thing in the room which was harry so voldemort didnt know about this horcrux it was not intended to be made but was made on accident you catch my drift? im not really making sence right now lol but i hope you get what i mean

Nope that makes sense to me HP_shake_shake_HP, voldemort didn't intend to make harry his horcrux but he was the last life in the room for voldemort soul to escape to, and harry never killed, he had a pure soul so this is the correct way around, harry was a horcrux of voldemort's.

Rach

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