Looking back at the Draco/Myrtle thing.... I think maybe she might be Draco's first real friend ever. He was crying about someone bullying him and not having anyone to talk to. that must have been because of Voldemort. V was threatening to kill Draco and his parents unless Draco killed Dumbledore. Draco didn't want to kill and was scared. Draco's only other friends have been Crabbe and Goyle who he wouldn't have been able to trust with everything, after all, their dads are Death Eaters also.... and we know they would all turn on each other to get on Voldemorts good side. I think that Draco made a real friend, even a ghost, could end up being significant in the last book. Also, it is ironic that his friend is someone who was killed by Voldemorts past actions.Although you could also look at it as him trying to get information out of one of Voldemorts victims...who knows...it was definately a surprise twist, granted a small one, maybe insignificant, but maybe not!

I'd agree that she would be his first real friend. She isnt his friend because he's a Malfoy, and therefore could give him things. She isn't his friend because he is an obvious road to power, like his other cronies would. I think, that since this is true, and Merlin help me if he doesn't already know this (his deductive reasoning as actually quite good) that he views Grabbe Goyle, Parkinson and the rest as simply synchophants and hangers on.

She doesn't, becuase she's dead. And therefore, could be more honest than anyone would to Draco.

their friendship didn't surprise me.

Moaning Myrtle is lonely and Draco can't confide in anyone in the castle.

maybe on day he was talking to himself in an empty bathroom and MM appeared?

Myrtle's one aim throughout her apperances in the book has always seemed to be to gain friendships. As a ghost, she's fairly removed from mortal restraints of morality vs. sympathy. She does't have to sypmathise with Malfoy in order to gain friendship, only appear to be sympathising. Personally, I'm of the opinion that she was probably a bit two-faced and fickle when alive and probably hasn't changed much since her death.

Weird thing though... Wasn't she a "mudblood?" I mean, if Draco was being his normal self, he wouldn't have talked to her at all...so he definately need someone to talk to. Also, she has experienced death, who better would it be for Draco to talk to at a time like this? He was freaking out about dying and didn't even care that he was going against his own reputation by crying and talking to a muggle born ghost.. (assuming that she was in fact a muggle born...if she's not, then forget what I just said...)

It's obvious that the relationship between Moaning Myrtle and Malfoy is underdeveloped and will be embellished in the next book. I personally look forward to how this relationship will flourish. You can practically taste the hormones raging. Will we possibly see a Moaning Malfoy?

R.A.B.bit, that concept is ingenious! I thought I was the only one who had that conception. Lets just say that I forsee some definite snoggage between Malfoy and Myrtle. I can see it now... wedding bells and a cold feeling on Malfoys lips as the couple has there first kiss as evil boy and translucent ghost.

Um...I really don't think Draco and Myrtle are going to end up having a 'relationship' together. They would become really good friends, I suppose. ^^'

I think she was just very lonely and took it out of proportion lol maybe she was trying to show harry, hermione, and ron that she didnt need them to visit because she already had a new friend

I think the part with draco and Moaning Mertle was very touching. It allowed the reader to, for once, sympathize with draco. It also allows the reader, in retrospect, to come to the conclusion that Draco was not up to the task at hand.

I am loathe to think the MM & Draco are in any way a ship. It was written in a fashion so that the reader can actually see Draco in a different element.

I was happy with the fleshing out of Draco. Although I still maintain he's a posure pissant, at least he has a consious now. And he's more than just a school yard bully.

hahaha- i really dislike malfoy. MM deserves better!!! then again i feel bad for him he has no friends except his mummy!!!

i agree with Snapelover, this scene was used to shsow sympathy for draco, to show that he wasn't all evil and perhaps could be persuaded to join the right side.

As funny as a Snape/Moaning Myrtle relationship would be - I will laugh so hard if we get shippers on this - I think that the reality is that Moaning Myrtle is blowing things out of proportion. She thinks that anyone who talks to her without being mean is her best friend. She was about ready to marry Harry in CoS because he had to use her bathroom for the polyjuice potion.

If there are shippers about this I'd actually laugh (sorry moderator this had to come out) I mean a pureblood and a ghost???? I have to give full credit to snapelover, it was a very nice scene, where you could see the soft side of Draco the Softie.

No offense to you Draco-Fans: I really liked him in that scene, I really did. And after the end of the HbP i like him even more, for he couldn't kill.

But I really like the whole idea about MM and Draco, that he finally got a true friend (maybe he doesn't get that, but I think Myrtle can be a great friend, I wish Harry would get that), not the terrible Muggle-Dudleys Crabbe and Goyle or Miss Parkinson. So let's hope that he will join the good side!

I dont know if anyones already said this
sorry if they have
but isnt it odd that malfoy was crying in a bathroom about being bullied [by voldemort]
and hes now become friends with myrtle
who died in a bathroom, after running in there crying because she was being bullied [Olive Hornby teasing her about her glasses]
i dont really know how this could develop
but its just sonmething taht came to my head wen i read this thread.

when i read that a year ago im like oh my gosh!
did you ever realize that we never ever found out what house she was in? i always thought hufflepuff but now im almost on the slithern side now ( meaning i think she might be a slithern) but maybe not because if she was a slithern why dose she like harry so much? slitherns hate griffendoors , not matter how cute or hot they look lol
what do you all think?

I think the connection between Malfoy and Myrtle was quite significant: they learn things from each other and understand each other better than any one else could. But a love relationship? No offense, but that's kinda far-fetched and preposterous. Of course, though, you never know - the magical world is very unpredictable, especially at the helm of J.K. Rowling.

No I'm pretty sure Moaning Myrtle was in hufflepuff. When you first meet her in CoS (the movie) look closely at the house emblem on her sweater, there is no way she could be in Slytherin, she is a mudblood and Slytherin only takes pure bloods. I think the reason why she became friend swith Draco was because, she was lonely because Harry and Ron had not been to see her in awhile in the bathroom. Draco started going in there to vent about his situation, and because he could not trust anyone else (that was living) in the school, such as his cronies, Crabbe, Goyle, and Pansy, he felt safer confiding in MM because she is a ghost and would listen to him and whether or not she was legit about her sympathy towards him he felt confident confiding in her.
As far as the Draco/MM ship goes that would never happen. For one she is a mudblood/and a ghost. Draco is living and a pureblood. There would not be much of a relationship there for him, besides as much as I love Draco I don't think he is capable of loving another in the way that they would love him, look at him and Pansy. She idolizes him and he only has her tagging along, and making her think he feels the same about her.

I dont think it matter which house she was in. I think he probably went to her abandoned bathroom to have a cry and try and figure things out when she came out of a toilet and suprised him. Aftr that he probably decided that since she was guiless she would be the friend he never had. Which is actually true, seeing that crabbe and goyle no longer fancy themselves as Dracos "henchmen". But he probably didnt tell her about how he had to kill Dumbledore, or she might have gone straight to the headmaster about it. So, i think he played MM for a fool, and only pretended that he actually was her friend. Maybe she fancied fancied herself as his dead girlfriend


O and one more thing I think Dracos a BADBADBAD person.

I think moaning myrtle fancys Malfoy

I think moaning myrtle fancys Malfoy



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But Slytherin doesn't take only purebloods, as one of their best pupils, Severus Snape, demonstrates. His dad was a muggle.

There's nothing to Myrtle, nothing deeper than her own self-obsession. She isn't friends with Draco, she doesn't care about him. When she sees him sliced up after the Sectumsempra, she freaks, but it's more because she enjoys freaking out. She kept on freaking out long after the curse was reversed, simply because she was enjoying herself so much. That's Myrtle's drawback--she's totally self-absorbed. All of the ghosts seem to be that way.

Just my 2 knuts.

Yea i found that to be very interesting, Myrtle liked him because he was crying and was actually talking to her, she liked Draco so much that she tried to defend him from Harry! draco needed someone to talk to even if it was a ghost.

I agree. She is dead so she doesn't really need anything that Draco could give her. She was honestly listening to him. He needed someone and Myrtle was there.

I agree with Aethonon, Myrtle only cares about herself. She finds happiness in others miseries, sadness in others joys. Like, for example, when she was a bit sulky that Harry was alive after CoS because she wanted to share her toilet with him. It's all about herself.
But that scene with Draco crying actually made me sympathise with him. He was so upset that he opened up to the first person who would listen - he couldn't even talk to his 'friends'! That makes me think that Draco really doesn't have true friends - he isn't as smug as he makes himself appear.

I agree, that was definitely a bit sketchy. No one can say that Draco and Myrtle have nothing in common though. No REAL friends (in my opinion Crabbe and Goyle are like security guards and too stupid to have a nice conversation with), both cry (I couldn’t stop laughing when we found out Draco had been crying) and both are tormented (Draco by Voldemort and Myrtle by everyone at school). It’s interesting how to completely different people can end up “liking” each other. That’s why so many people think Draco and Hermione are a good match.

Interesting about the chain of bullying....MM being bullied, then killed by Voldemort, who is now bullying Malfoy....
Interestingly, Luna Lovegood is being bullied by everyone, but rolls with the punches....she is in a similar predicament to Myrtle, except her form of self-absorption becomes a type of confidence as opposed to Myrtle's, which is parasitic. Interesting Rowling gives both of them alliterative names/nicknames--MM, LL. SS is also an alliteration and was, interestingly, bullied by James Potter and company.
DM is not an alliteration, but these things need not be utterly regular. Even if the naming thing doesnt matter at all, I do agree that the chain of bullying matters, though maybe just as a feature of the general bullying in the novels that is one main way humans exercise power.

Myrtle was bullied at school and is now dead. (Obviously.) I just think that she was pleased to have someone to talk to. She is always miserable and Draco was so they sort of new what each other was going through.

Myrtle flirts with everybody.. She did with Harry in COS.

I think Myrtle could just relate to what Malfoy was going through. And Malfoy needed someone to talk to, and here's Myrtle, who is there for him.

Eh, Malfoy needs someone to talk to, or else he'll probably explode. When you think about it, Crabbe and Goyle, and all the other Slytherins are just back up in his gang. He doesn't really have a best friend, des he?

Pretty much, she's the only one who understands him, and his only friend. Quite sad really.

You may be right, I may be Crazy, (but it just might be a lunatic you're looking for....) but I digress...

I don't believe Draco will be at Hogwarts in Deathly Hallows, because of his efforts to kill Dumbledore. I can't see LV being too forgiving for Draco not going through with the "dirty deed." I think Draco has crossed a line that he cannot uncross. Pehaps, just perhaps, Snape (assuming he is not totally evil) will be able to recruit Draco and Narcissa when LVs great wrath is revealed against all things Malfoy.

However if LV kills Draco, he might be clinging to life so hard, that he will become a ghost. Then, there is the possiblity of a spooky romance. Since Ghosts are immaterial, and can be walked through, I think it would by physiologically impossible for there to be a Moaning Malfoy. Ghosts seem to be pretty much stuck with their current circumstances.

I'm glad that I wasn't the only one that caught the slight implication that although Draco was looking for an ear to listen, Myrtle was thinking more. From how she describes his emotional outlet, it sounds like she wants more than friendship in some sort of crush way. We know that she flirts with Harry in GOF (in the tub) and she was about the age of silly adolescent crushes when she dies...

Now the real question is WHY would Draco confide in her? Didn't we have proof already that Myrtle cannot keep secrets, or rather will tell a secret to get on the good side of a boy she finds attractive? The proof for this is when she spills the secret of the golden egg in the tub to Harry. She would have given any information to be "helpful" to a cute guy... and along that train of thought why did Harry dismiss her when she started spouting about the boy she was talking to who was crying to her in the bathroom? It seemed like she was dying for him to ask her about it... Shouldn't that have sparked curiousity in him?

I love the idea of Draco becomming a ghost and dating Myrtle .
Anywho, here is what I think:
I never really thought about how incredibly lonely Malfoy must be. This surely factors into his personna too. I mean, all of the bullying he does and how obsessed he is with his father's reputation, I bet that social status is all that he has to cling on to. Voldy might see that weakness, and he might play off that. Harry, at the end, might actually become Malfoy's friend (if Malfoy fixes his issues)! Malfoy will have to overcome his obsession with trinkets, and he will learn that people matter more.

I also think that that is the resason he confided in Myrtle in the first place. I think that Myrtle started to pry, with her "oh what's wrong" stuff and, since Malfoy never has had anyone to really talk to, he opened up against his will, per say.

I wonder though if Draco knew that Myrtle was a gossip and confided in her purposely. Maybe not with the intent that she go blabbing to others about him, but in the process of him lifting some weight from his shoulders, he just so "happens" to be found out and stopped well then it can't be his fault can it? I'm pretty sure that he would never seriously consider starting anything of a relationship with Myrtle, heck he won't even date a human with the wrong blood... but I wonder if this dynamic between the two of them served them each a purpose. For Myrtle, the attention of a well known boy in school, for Draco, the possibility of being "released" from his committment to LV by being found out.

keetedawn, I don't think that's true. I mean, for one, why would Malfoy do that and then try to attack Harry? He tried to do an Unforgivable Curse! I mean, I don't think that all of that crying and stuff, when he always is a brat and tries to be tough, was fake. If it was, he wouldn't go as far to curse Harry. That would basically blow his cover!

I think it was great that JKR put that part in the book. Because up until that point, everyone has hated Draco and we've never really understood him. But when he is crying with Moaning Myrtle, it shows us his softer side, and we can understand the pain that he's going through.

About the whole friend thing, I wouldn't really say that they'd have a lasting friendship, but I'm not sure. I think that at the time, they could have been friends but I'm not sure that'll last and come up again in the final book.

I thought about that too, and I think that was JKR's point. For me, the entire effect was ruined when Draco turned around and tried to preform an Unforgiviable Curse,but, at the same time, who really would have gotten away with that? Honestly, let's think for a mintute:
1. Harry would probably scream, and a teacher would come running.
2. Harry would be able to name Draco as the culprit.
3. DD is there!
4. Malfoy would be expelled and never be able to preform the task of Voldy.

That sort of shows how incredibly broken up and irrational he was at that momment, but that sort of made me loose my sympathies. My sympathy was sort of streanghed on the Astronomy Tower, but not really, in a way. I don't think that it makes us "understand" Draco, but it makes us at least feel sorry for him, a boy that has never had a true friend his entire life.

On that cheery note, thoughts?


CRW

It was very heartfelt to read that part about Draco crying to Moaning Myrtle. He had actually found someone that he could talk to, crying his eyes out about his troubles, she just listened to him, because she is nothing but a drama queen anyway and she just loves to hear about other peoples problems, it gives her something to gossip about to the u-bend in the toilet or to other ghosts that will listen to her lol.
Draco actually does not hvae anyone that he can call a "true friend" maybe he felt safe with Myrtle cause she's dead??? He did try to perform an unforgivable curse on Harry but then Harry turned around and actually did perform a right nasty curse on him as well, and if it had not been for Snape showing up, Draco may have died! Oh I shudder at the thought of this.

Marcey

Welll,

1. Really, ghosts can share secrets like people can, so it wouldn't matter if she was dead. She can go to DD alive or dead, so that reasoning doesn't work for me. Just because ghosts are dead doesn't mean they cannot spread information like living and breathing wizards.

2. Well, yes, but I think some things could be said in defense of Harry, even though he still did wrong. The first was that he had no idea what that spell did; Malfoy knew perfectly well that he wanted to torture Harry and that was the spell to do it. Also, Harry was defending himself; I get the point though, but wrong was done by both sides.

Yea, I think if Malfoy died Harry would have gotten a lot harder of a situation. That would have been terrible!

Thoughts?

So going back to my previous theory, does anyone think that Draco just confided in Myrtle so that he would be found out because she is a gossip? I wonder then, if Draco performed the curse on Harry just because it was Harry that found him out. If some random student found him crying, would he have performed the curse? or would he just been "defeated" and allowed that student to escape and tell DD about his circumstances? I think that he only got so enraged because it was Harry who happened upon him in a very weak moment and pride took over. If it had been any random student, would he have fought so hard? I think he probably wouldn't. He would have been happier (or relieved) to have been found out by anyone BESIDES Harry, and thus because it was Harry, he got the worst Draco had to offer.

Way back at the beginning of this thread...

QUOTE(R.A.B.bit)

It's obvious that the relationship between Moaning Myrtle and Malfoy is underdeveloped and will be embellished in the next book. I personally look forward to how this relationship will flourish. You can practically taste the hormones raging. Will we possibly see a Moaning Malfoy?

No, I'm kidding about the whole stupid thing, but really, this idea is the first that I have to attack. Seriously, what in the world was that? Myrtle/Malfoy shippers? Please, give me a break... that's just disgusting and horribly twisted!
Malfoy has no time for a relationship with a girl, let alone a ghost! Eww... sorry, it would just not work at all. No. I don't even know how to explain it, but.. no.

I think that Draco was just in the bathroom crying one day and Myrtle happened to see him. He may have confided in her just because she was someone to lean on in his time of trouble. I doubt that they were really friends, but it was quite touching to see Draco have a bit of support and friendliness shown towards him, I'd have to say that was the first instance I can recall in the whole series...

QUOTE(keetedawn)

So going back to my previous theory, does anyone think that Draco just confided in Myrtle so that he would be found out because she is a gossip? I wonder then, if Draco performed the curse on Harry just because it was Harry that found him out.

That is a very interesting theory, though I think it is highly unlikely. Draco, at this point, still seemed to have confidence-- even if it was only a tiny amount-- that he could do it. Also, he knew that if he was not able to perform the task that Voldemort would kill him. So... yeah... I do not think that this is the case, but that certainly is a possibility, and a very original and unique one at that.

As for Draco cursing Harry... while I may be biased when I say that Draco was completely distraught; the whole world must've been just crashing down on the poor guy! While we do not know what his first attempted hex was, we do know that the second was the Cruciatus curse, and I do not think that his intention was strictly to give Harry pain, I think it was more a matter of trying to let off steam and hurt... not in a healthy way at all, but perhaps he felt as though he wished that someone else would even feel half of his pain?
The fact that it was indeed Harry, someone to whom Draco would never wish to look vulnerable, could not have helped the situation, although I think that Malfoy would have used the same curse had it been someone else. Really, depending on how much that person had heard, they could cause Malfoy his life... I plead self-defense!

I am going to agree with T.O.O.H.E.W on this one. I mean, Draco was pretty much at the end of the rope. He had been trying to kill DD for ages. He had set up a brilliant, may be overestimating but I think it was, plan to kill DD by means of the vanishing cabinent. That ingenious idea was making him wear down though because repairing it was such a hard task. He tried to get a necklace to DD that was cursed; that plan had so many ways for error, but Malfoy was desperate. He tried to poision a drink that DD might sip, but he didn't take in Slugghorn's personality as a factor. Basically, Malfoy had been failing miserably, and his entire family was on the line.

I think that the Crucio was not to make Harry have pain or to let off steam but to stop Harry from going to tell or something. I don't know what Malfoy would do if the curse hit Harry; think about it. There are tons of teachers, he just preformed an unforgivable, and Moaning Myrtle could talk to the staff. I think the curse was an act of desperation Malfoy tried to pull off to give him time to think, but like other half cooked schemes, he probably couldn't have thoguht of anything to do even if the curse did hit Harry.

Thoughts?

CRW

Do you think that Myrtle will come back in number seven? I do, I think this thread is going places.

she has information on draco and i think harry can coax i out of her because i believe she still really likes him, she has just hidden it because harry hasn't come to visit her.

Myrtle is Draco's only friend. Very True.

I think the two will see each other again. My question is why can't myrtle go arouund the rest of the castle other than the plumbing?
the only instance i can remember her being out of a bathroom is at the Deathday Party, which was a killer

I just wanted to make this perfectly clear; I do not think that Draco and Myrtle are "friends." I mean, I think that Draco does not at all consider Myrtle his friend; I mean, he has a life, and he is out and about. When you think about it, he never told Myrtle anything important! He just hinted, and Myrtle did not even know what was going on. I think she considers herself Malfoy's friend because she doesn't have any, but I don't think the relationship will ever grow.

Thoughts?

CRW

I agree with you, classicalravenclawwriter. I think that Moaning Myrtle may consider Draco her friend because she has no one else. But Draco, I think just feels like she's someone he can talk to. Which is still great because it really sucks when you need to talk to someone and you don't have anyone.

Agreed! I mean, really, Draco uses Myrtle, and he must know he is, but he doesn't! Well, from my perspective, he knows he means a lot to Myrtle, and he doesn't really care about her too much, but, at the same time, that isn't true. Myrtle must mean more to him than anyone then because he really needed someone to talk to: I just don't know. My point is that yeah, Draco needs Myrtle and Myrtle needs Draco, but anything along those lines !

Thoughts?

CRW

I agree that Draco kind of needs Myrtle because really, who else could he go to? He can't go to his dad because he's in prison and even if he wasn't ... I doubt he'd open up to him. His mum isn't avaiable to talk to. He would never open up and cry like that to any of his friends. He can't do that to anyone except for Moaning Myrtle. I guess that she's the one person he feels he has a connection to. The fact that he can open up like that to her is pretty amazing in itself and shows that they have a special bond.

HAHA! Moaning Malfoy, that made me laugh. But good point! I highly doubt it that they will have a 'blossoming' relationship, but they will remain friends, the type where you just know you're friends and you don't really tell anyone.

I believe that Malfoy is human just like everyone else and although he doesn't show his feelings to his friends for fear of being called a wimp, he needed someone to confide his feelings to and Moaning Myrtle was the only one comforting enough to listen to what he had to say. You can make your jokes but I felt pity for Malfoy when I read that he was crying in the bathroom. I felt like he needed a shoulder to cry on, even if it was transparent. I believe that Malfoy is a good person on the inside. Just give him time.

same here. . .
draco was forced into that situation by the dark lord, at first he thought it was an easy job and when succeeded it may help redeemed his father and their position. then he realized his plan was not working as what it should be, he had no one to confide. he needed someone to talk to and that can truly understand him then came myrtle. myrtle is someone that he can confide without reaching the ears of the dark lord. finding moaning myrtle is a comfort to him in his misery and fear, he had someone to listen to him, the problem he is facing will surely drive anyone up to the wall.
we saw the other side of draco, the one that was being bullied and yet a better man.