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hedwig78690
heres the thing when you first saw the trailer, what were your emotions when you saw the trailer.

heres me, i was so excited. i loved the music, for ALL the trailers (teaser, theaterical, international a, international cool.gif and it was just so awesome!!! i mean i was so excited. at school, i wore a hp sticker on my shirt and a shrunken hedwig sweatshirt which nobody could see. my friend is also a HUGE fan, i mean shes known for loving hp. and all my other friends told me to take of my sticker.

then when i saw the movie, right when it said "harry potter and the prisoner of azkaban" i started to have like this big huge grin. i was about to cry at the end because sirius leaving, and it was oveeeeeeer. :'(

at the end i was weak and shaking from all the excitement and adventure. yes i loved it that much!
just me
I also got very excited when the movie started!!! And yeah...the trailers were so cool! But I got disappointed....Especially with how it ended...But when i saw it one more time (two days ago) I really loved it! Because now I had forgotten about all the things I didn't like and just enjoyed the movie! It's a great movie! (and the actors are so hot now...lol) biggrin.gif
Moriel
I really think I need to see the movie again, and lower my expectations. I was somewhat disappointed with it the first two times, and with the music in particular. Missed the old score, I guess.. But there's no doubt about it, PoA is a great movie, just not quite as good as I expected. I'll come around, though :wink:
Ginebra
I have the movie in my computer in spanish and in english (viva internet!!!!), and I see it everyday. I think is the best film I've ever seen.
Guest_simran
hey did u say u saw the film thru net?how did u get that?which site?
DancingVeela
I was sooo excited the first time I saw it! Especially because it was at the midnight show and everyone else was feeling the same way...

I enjoyed the music as well smile.gif

I know they have the bootleg versions in Chinatown (NYC) from the Asian women with the pushcarts. hehe
dan_and_rupert002
[COLOR=yellow]I dont think the movie is great, because Alfonso Cuaron doesnt look like want to read the book clearly! mad.gif Look, harry use the magic at home and he said:"Lumos [COLOR=red]Maximum![COLOR=yellow]" Why does Chris direct this movie?
Naz
i loved the movie, it was great. i dont think that the director was bad at all (i just watched the movie again and thought that he did a great job)
ashleigh07
You go, dansgurl01!! smile.gif I'm pro-POA all the way!! Cuaron did an excellent job!! Sure there were bits that could have been included, some that maybe could have done better without.....but hey, as I've said a million times now, it kept to the SPIRIT of the book and that's all that matters!!
kreacher_the_house_elf
No, Cuaron did his best directing a series that had already been started and adding his own little touches.

However I believe that I could've sat another hour just to see the whole book not a splinched version
aleja23
I love the movie, was great, and the trailer was awesome, I love the part when some boys and girls are singing, that´s awesome, the music its very nice!!, I think the little details were great specially when Harry sees Pettigrew walking in the map, but the part I dislike is Harry crynig, that was bad!! dry.gif
kreacher_the_house_elf
Yeah I wouldn't have minded about the whole crying thing except for when he went through the yelling/screaming "i'll kill him" or whatever.

He shouldn't have been so agressive.

But the attention to detail was awesome considering how short (yeah right) it was.
Ginebra
I abolutely love ALL scenes of Ron/Hermione "Hand-Holding"...
I can't wait for see the Yule Ball Scene in GoF!!!!!!
A Jealous Ron... tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif wink.gif
I LOVE the couple Ron/Hermione, is the best!!!!!!
Patronus
I was really excited when I saw the trailer, but I have to admit I was somewhat dissapointed after seeing the movie. It was alright, I just think it could have been better. I think think they could have done a better job at starting the movie off, for one.
kreacher_the_house_elf
Yeah I can't wait for the next movie.
I hear that they have just started/finished filming the Portkey scene.

I want to know what happens because for the last hour and a half they used doubles and if the doubles have ever been included in the actual movie???
ashleigh07
Kreacher - I actually thought they could have played up more of the agression!! Think about it. You've just found out that the Prisoner of Azkaban who everyone is talking about is after you, and he's the same person that led Voldemort to your parents' death AND he's your godfather!! How would YOU feel?! I'd be pissed. Outraged actually.

Yeah I can't wait for GoF!! *impatient* Yup they've just filmed the Portkey scene. smile.gif
kreacher_the_house_elf
Yes they should've played up the agression a bit. But here I was at the movies and I'm nearly in tears about Harry's sadness and then all of a sudden he was yelling and screaming. It should've been a common room scene just Harry, Ron and Hermione with them talking about it and then Harry going off his trolley in anger!

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Erin G
Sorry to be the downer in the group, but I was pretty dissapointed.

I mean, I know they can't do every thing like the book, but I think they could have done a better job...

Why was Harry doing magic at home? Did they even mention James being an animagus? They showed Harry's patronus as a stag (barely) but didn't explain why it was a stag.

I think that the Shreiking Shack scene was too rushed and the film was too short. Yeah I know it was over two hours long, but I would have sat through it. Wouldn't you?

They didn't even explain who wrote the Marauder's Map.

Lupin was great but the werewolf was like bald...

Also it seemed to me that Harry's feelings toward Sirius are way too rushed.

In the end I think what was in the film was ok. But they have better have a whole bunch of deleted scenes on the DVD.

I can't wait for GoF though. I just can't see anything they can really leave out, but then that worries me... unsure.gif
ibleveinmagic
I absolutely loved the movie!
I can't wait until the DVD comes out, because I'll watch it everyday. I agree with it being very short. I wouldn't have minded a 4-hour long movie, though. Lord of the Rings was 3 1/2 hours long; why not Harry Potter? I would have sat through it no matter if it was 10 hours long. They missed a lot of important pionts because of the length.

I do think that Cuaron did a fabulous job adding his own touches. I will be happy when Columbus comes back, as long as he keeps some of Cuaron's ideas in.

Thank You for listening! biggrin.gif
kreacher_the_house_elf
I loved the movie because everyone was so much more mature and adult that the movie sort of flowed. But the way everything went it looked like they were at Hogwarts for about three days it went to fast for a person like me!

Note: How is harry going to get into Hogsmeade???
ashleigh07
Erin, that's perfectly fine, we are all entitled to our own opinion, this is a forum after all!!

I think the main reason why I appreciated POA so much was because I've studied film, and looking at it from a technical aspect, it is indeed a fantastic film. Awesome. Brilliant!! Like Kreacher said, it was all those personal touches that Cuaron did that I really loved.

Yes, undeniable, in terms of what was included and excluded, things could have been done differently. I'm pro-POA all the way, but I admit that it is not perfect.

I agree, Erin,
- there should have been explanation about the Marauders' background
- I have no idea why Harry was doing magic at home, but I'm assuming that it was for school, and it was only practice, that's why it was allowed
- The Shrieking Shack scene could have included more info/details for the benefit of those who hadn't read the book

BUT I think, all things considering, Cuaron did a brilliant job. No doubt, being huge fans of HP, we wouldn't mind sitting for a HP movie that's 10 hours long, but the fact of the matter is, in film, there is a time constraint. My only guess why HP couldn't be 3+ hours long like LOTR is 1) budget constraints and 2) the fact that the main target market is kids and how many kids' attention span can hold for that long?

So yeah, with the time frame he had to work with, I reckon Cuaron did the best he could do. He really picked out all the significant scenes central to the theme from the book and pieced them together, adding his own personal touches.

Some couldn't understand why he used precious time (that no doubt could have been used for better details, say the Marauders' background) on seemingly "stupid" things like showing the landscape and the bird getting squashed by the Whomping Willow. Well that's Cuaron's style. Each director has their own unique way of telling the story in a film, and in each movie they direct, they put a personal "stamp" on it.

We are all different individuals therefore it would be impossible to please everyone. So whoever takes on a HP film, they will not be able to produce a film that caters to everyone, all they can do is give viewers THEIR vision of that particular HP book.

So for POA, many said that Cuaron changed too much and made it darker and less magical, but that was what he grasped from the book and how he pictured Hogwarts to be. That's why I always say that if you don't like POA or were disappointed by it, don't say it's because Cuaron was a crap director, but that his style didn't really agree with you. Coz to me, his only "crime" was that he was different and he was willing to take risks.

I've said this time and time again - all that matters is that he kept to the SPIRIT of the book. Remember, these movies are based on the novels and was never meant to be an exact physical representation of the books. They can never follow the book exactly, all they can do is take the crux of it and edit it to fit the frame of a film. If you guys get what I mean.

As far as I know, Columbus will not be directing any more of the HP films. Mike Newell is now doing GoF, and I'm excited with what he's gonna do with the book. With the same amount of running time, it's gonna be a massive challenge. Lots would definitely have to be cut out or edited down, but as I've said, whatever the finish product, I'll still salute Newell coz GoF is thus far, the hardest book of the series to realize to the big screen.

PS - Kreacher, to answer your question, I think at the start of GoF or maybe at the next Hogsmeade visit, Harry will mention something about Sirius sending a permission form in the Owl Post...that's what I reckon.
Ginebra
I think GoF will be worse than PoA. Cuarón is the best director of HP movies, in my opinion, MUCH BETTER than Chris Columbus and he doesn't direct GoF...
I don't know the work of Mike Newell, may be is good, but... I think without Cuarón the film will be worse. Sorry, but is my opinion.

I love the work of Alfonso (¿se nota?)!!!!!!

PoA is the best film I've ever seen!!!! And I have seen it a lot of times, I have the film in my computer in english and spanish (I see it more in spanish wink.gif ) and I think this film is BRILLIANT!!!!!

¡¡¡¡¡VIVA ALFONSO CUARÓN, EL MEJOR DIRECTOR QUE EXISTE!!!!!!

~ESPAÑOLA~
Erin G
I wasn't saying he was a bad director. I just didn't like this film much...
I love the HP books and I think they left out some important parts. Thats all, wasn't saying anything else...
ashleigh07
Sorry if I seemed like I was picking on you Erin!! I really wasn't!!

I never said that you said Cuaron was a bad director, I was merely saying that there are some people out there that do.

I agree with you that there were some important stuff that should have been in the movie, and I gave the examples.

It's perfectly fine that you didn't like the movie very much. You know what they say, one's man meat is another man's poison. As I've said before, we are all different so we will all have differing tastes and opinions. Therefore whichever director that takes up a HP film will never be able to please everyone, so all they can do is give the audience their vision of the book that they are doing, and put a personal stamp to it. And as long as it sticks to the spirit of the books, that's fine.

That's all *I* was trying to say. If I offended you in any way, apologies!! I was just telling you my opinion as you were yours.
kreacher_the_house_elf
The movie is an excellent storyteller! I did film in English over the last few months so I feel clever *stops and feels smart*

Everyone kneel down and bow to the master Alfonso!!!

Sorry if you didn't like it but thats how I feel!!!
ashleigh07
*drops down on to knees next to kreacher*

I'm with you, mate!! Cuaron's a LEGEND!!!

I've studied film before and from a cinematic point of view, POA was brilliant. Such artistic storytelling!!
kreacher_the_house_elf
Yes and the little insignificant scenes (eg the bird) sort of make it more interesting. Dunno why?? tongue.gif

BTW I got my test results back and I passed - I had to analyse a movie - three guesses which one???? biggrin.gif
Erin G
Hey ashleigh, its okay. Sorry my answer is so late but I've been crying my eyes out for days thinking that you guys didn't like me... wink.gif

No, really, sorry if I made you think that I was upset. I've got strong opinions and felt like it needed to be said. Oh well.... since no one agrees with me I suppose I should shut up some time soon...
ashleigh07
Kreacher - Hahaha...hmmm...errr.... *tries to act dumb* Lord of the Rings??! *tee hee* laugh.gif Well good on ya, keep it up!! smile.gif

Erin -
Awww don't be silly!! Why would we not like you?! *I* certainly have no ill feelings towards you!!

No worries, mate, I'm someone with very strong opinions too so I know where you're coming from. I'm especially passionate over POA (as you can probably tell by now hehe) so even though I've repeated myself like a thousand times, like you, I felt that it just had to be said.

And don't feel you have to shut up just because people don't agree with ya!! That's the beauty of this forum. It's a place where we can voice our opinions, discuss our thoughts of all things HP and share our theories.

Trust me, I've been in threads where my opinion was the "unpopular" one, everyone seemed to be against me coz no one agreed with what I thought, but I didn't care because it's what *I* think. We have a right to express our opinions here just as long as we don't offend anyone or put down other people's views in the process. Well that's what I think, anyway.

It's been all good for me because as passionate I am about some issues and as stubborn as I am on certain matters, I'm still open to other people's opinions. It's been so interesting gaining all kinds of feedback different from our own and gaining new insights which I'd never thought about. I love this place!! smile.gif
kreacher_the_house_elf
Thankyou *bows* Erin I'm sorry if I was a little rude to you in other threads. smile.gif This is a forum and everyones contribution should be and is highly valuable! I am in full agreement with you Ashleigh07 I saw the movie again yesterday most in particular to the agression scene and now I can see the reason behind the more agression comment! biggrin.gif

Yay no longer an ickle firstie!!
Albus Dumbledore
QUOTE (Patronus @ Jul 30 2004, 11:37 AM)
I was really excited when I saw the trailer, but I have to admit I was somewhat dissapointed after seeing the movie.

Yer im With you i was very disapponted with this new director and the 3rd movie the frist 2 were the best specially coz everything was changed with the 3rd one WHATS WITH THE CLOCK TOWER???? AND HOW COME HARRY IS DOING MAGIC OUT OF SCHOOL!!! AND WHERE HAVE THE ROBES GONE !!! and hagrids house on a hill isnt it on a flat right next to the forbiddion forest even the feel to hogwarts was different i didnt like this 3rd movie at all i recon the first 2 were the best...

im not suppriesed but the 3rd one has made me not want to see any more HP films.

I did'nt mind the new dumbledore but the old one has more that feeling that would get your attetion straight away if you know what i mean... the new one needs to study dumbledore a bit more i think...
ashleigh07
That's great, it's always good when someone agrees with what you've said!! wink.gif And I'm glad too that you see where I was coming from about the whole agression thing...

Albus -The movies are only based on the novels and was never meant to be an exact visual representation of the books. If it was, then we'd be watching a +5 hour movie which is totally fine for big fans like us, but realistically, is just not possible.

A lot has to be cut out or edited down:
-to fit the frame of a 2 1/2 hour movie, which explains why some facts have to be changed to shorten scenes
-due to budget constraints
-due to time constraints obviously
-due to the fact that the main target audience are children

Overall the movie kept to the SPIRIT of the book and that's all that matters. So there were some changes so it lacked continuity from the first 2 movies...but since when is change neccesarily a bad thing? People need to be less purist when it comes to the movies.

It's not easy directing a film, what more trying to realize something to the big screen that's as massive as HP. People only know how to criticize but honestly, try and do it and you'll soon find out it's not a piece of cake. I've studied film so I know. I think overall Cuaron did an excellent job with the time frame he had and also considering the fact he only read POA, he still managed to catch the essence of a HP film.

Don't get me wrong, Albus, I'm not picking on you. You are of course, entitled to your own opinion. This is just MINE. And don't worry, I do not intend on changing your views of POA either. All I'm saying is maybe you should be a bit more open-minded, and remember, don't criticize the director. Cuaron's not a bad director, he was just different from Columbus. He envisioned Hogwarts and the world of HP differently. So he's not a bad director at all, it's just that his style didn't agree as much with you as Columbus' way of doing it did.

At the end of the day, all any director can do is put their own unique stamp to each movie they direct. Any director that takes up a HP film will never be able to please every single HP fan because we are all different people with different tastes. So they can only create the world as they see it.

Oh dear, sorry for those of you who have read all this before!! unsure.gif
kreacher_the_house_elf
Yeah I know I think that the movies can't be 5 hours because even the most devout Hp fan will need to go to the toilet and miss something. Asleigh07 I agree with you about the "spirit of the book" not the book. It is a representation not a re enactment!
Albus Dumbledore
QUOTE (ashleigh07 @ Aug 6 2004, 03:42 AM)
The movies are only based on the novels and was never meant to be an exact visual representation of the books.  If it was, then we'd be watching a +5 hour movie which is totally fine for big fans like us, but realistically, is just not possible.

Well i did know that as im not as dumb as many of think i might be

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Overall the movie kept to the SPIRIT of the book and that's all that matters.


I dont think thats all that matters i think i would have liked it better if they did it like the first 2 more not just taking the spirt then rinsing it then hanging up to dry.

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So there were some changes so it lacked continuity from the first 2 movies...but since when is change neccesarily a bad thing?


You just answered that your self that bit about the first 2 movies if it is a seris dont you think they would look the same i mean to say in shrek1 and 2 the swamp didnt change in the matrix the "real world didnt change... its just weird like say you whatch all 3 in unison it wont suprise me if people have nerver seen the 3 movies or read the books such as little 5 year old children will turn to there dad/mun etc. and ask "why did hogwats suddnley be placed in a hill oh why is hagrids hut not on the oval like before? " this things are just some that should be keep the same though a seris and also allowing them to wear shall we say "muggle" cothing kinda contradicts the books how harry is always think they look weird in muggle clothing and in number 4 that dude who likes asome brease around his bal.... private parts. and also i might aswell say it again the magic in the dursleys house with the lumos speel how come he could do it? it just doesnt feel like one of the seris if its different in the many ways it is.

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People only know how to criticize but honestly, try and do it and you'll soon find out it's not a piece of cake.


As a matter of fact i take film making as a subject at school so i think i know how hard it is....

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Cuaron's not a bad director


No he is not a bad director i just think this "arty farty" director has ruined my HP film experince.
and i realy think that we need a director who actually is a fan of the HP series not someone who has only read 1 of the books coz then he wont know much about the feel of hogwarts and everything like us do.

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I agree with you about the "spirit of the book" not the book. It is a representation not a re enactment!


well i think it was actually ment to be that thats what warner wanted the hp book into film so younger people who cant read can join in on the fun as well showing us "die hard fans" what hogwarts looks like...

In conclusion after all that i still havn't changed my mind and i respect that you ashleigh07 didnt try to do that...

doomed_renascence
hmm i liked this movie better than the other two, but it did have some parts i didnt like.

yes, isnt harry not allowed to use magic outside of school? what the **** is he doing lighting up his wand to see? i thought that part was pointless. i'm just saying that they could have left those un necessary scenes, and add some stuff from the book.

i think they introduced the characters nicely though. i loved how lupin was introduced. very mysterious at the beginning.

but at the second half, everything was rushed. i cant really explain it, but it felt like the the movie ended too soon for me. i was like, "wow, it's over already? how can they put so much info in what feels like a short time?"

eh, it's just what i think. =\
spideysenses
i was kinda disappointed with this film. it was so unlike the other ones! i thought the other director was more faithful to the books then this one. though i did enjoy the strong hints of hermione/ron and the mishieveousness, thats a cool word, of dumbledore. plus this film seemed to have more humor then the others. . .and more adventure! spidey! laugh.gif
ashleigh07
Albus, wow I loved how you "dissected" my post, and put your "counter-arguments" after...makes it so much more easier eh?! wink.gif Well I shall keep things organized and do the same too...

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Well i did know that as im not as dumb as many of think i might be


I never in any way meant to imply that you were dumb!! I'm sorry if you thought so. I was just making a general statement as there *are* quite a lot of people who don't see the difference between a book and a movie based on the book.

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I dont think thats all that matters i think i would have liked it better if they did it like the first 2 more not just taking the spirt then rinsing it then hanging up to dry.


Haha interesting point there. laugh.gif I *do* see your point and I *do* agree with you to a certain extent. The thing is, POA could never really be like the first 2 because not only was it being directed by a different director, but it was being directed by a director whose style is VERY different from Columbus. I don't deny that a lot of the continuity is disrupted in POA from the changes that Cuaron made, though. But that aside, Cuaron *still* kept to the spirit of the series, just from a different perspective. In my opinion, it wasn't rinsed out totally, there *are* magical moments in POA, maybe not as predominant as in the first 2, but they're there.

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You just answered that your self that bit about the first 2 movies if it is a seris dont you think they would look the same i mean to say in shrek1 and 2 the swamp didnt change in the matrix the "real world didnt change...  its just weird like say you whatch all 3 in unison it wont suprise me if people have nerver seen the 3 movies or read the books such as little 5 year old children will turn to there dad/mun etc. and ask "why did hogwats suddnley be placed in a hill oh why is hagrids hut not on the oval like before? " this things are just some that should be keep the same though a seris and also allowing them to wear shall we say "muggle" cothing kinda contradicts the books how harry is always think they look weird in muggle clothing and in number 4 that dude who likes asome brease around his bal.... private parts. and also i might aswell say it again the magic in the dursleys house with the lumos speel how come he could do it? it just doesnt feel like one of the seris if its different in the many ways it is.


Again, referring back to what I mentioned just before, yes, I admit that there are continuity flaws in POA. But as I said, this was because it was done by two very stylistically different directors. If the main concern was to keep it physically/visually the same from movie1-7 because it's a series, well then, they're gonna have a tough time finding a director who would commit to directing each and everyone of them. Because that would be the only way. Yeah you could argue that, hey Cuaron should have stuck to everything that had been established in the first 2 and not make any changes. Fair enough, but I believe that each director is and should be given the freedom to put their own personal stamp to the movies they direct.

For me, as I've said, the important thing SHOULD be that it sticks to the SPIRIT of the book. Personally I think it's a bit flippant to judge how good a HP movie is from the visual accuracy of the set. How much significantly does it matter if they change the location of Hagrid's hut? Or that there's now a clocktower at the front Hogwarts? I mean, seriously!! Yes, in terms of continuity, it's not good. But on a grand scale of things, it is not as important. What *is* important, to me anyways, is that overall, the movie did justice to the book within the given timeframe. Yes, Cuaron wasn't faithful to the book in some aspects, but hey, Columbus wasn't entirely faithful either.

You said POA didn't feel like part of the series because of how different it is. Again I ask, since when is change neccesarily a bad thing? What I feel is some fans just need to be less purist when it comes to the movies. We have to go for the movie, giving it a clean slate and not having so much expectations for it, but just with the knowledge that this is just the adaptation of the book. Yes, Cuaron made some changes to the set, yes, he changed/added some things that weren't in the book. Again I say, so did Columbus...just on a smaller scale. Therefore, really Cuaron's only "crime" was that he was DIFFERENT. That's all. He was willing to take more risks than Columbus. He visualized Hogwarts a little differently so he made some tweaks. I don't see anything wrong with that because he was jsut putting his personal stamp to the movie. As I said, I feel that directors should be given that bit of freedom.

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  As a matter of fact i take film making as a subject at school so i think i know how hard it is....

Well good on you then!! I've taken film as well. So logically you should be more understanding, and therefore, get what all of what I'm trying to say...

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No he is not a bad director i just think this "arty farty" director has ruined my HP film experince.
and i realy think that we need a director who actually is a fan of the HP series not someone who has only read 1 of the books coz then he wont know much about the feel of hogwarts and everything like us do.


That was exactly my point when I made that statement!! You said that Cuaron's arty-farty style ruined your HP film experience. That, no doubt, is the same for many others who were disappointed by the film. All I was trying to say was that people should be careful when they comment, because there is a difference between the director and the director's stlye. Being that you are taking film, I can see that you know the difference, which is great. When you didn't like the movie, it wasn't because you thought Cuaron directed it badly, but more because his arty-farty style didn't agree with you. And that's totally fine, all of us have different tastes. I just hope that you can look at it removed and totally from a cinematic perspective, that even though you didn't like his style, from a film-making standpoint, he *did* do a good job.

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In conclusion after all that i still havn't changed my mind and i respect that you ashleigh07 didnt try to do that...


Respect is mutual of course!! The way I see it is, we are all different, unique individuals, from different backgrounds, age groups, life experiences, and with varying tastes. So we are bound to have different opinions. Therefore, to me, whichever director takes on a HP film, they will never ever be able to please and satisfy every single HP fan because we are all different. Because, in the same way, each and every director in the film industry is different and has their own personal style. So to me, all the director can do is essentially stay true to the SPIRIT of the book, keep as faithful as they possibly can to the book within the timeframe. And being the director, they will do it through THEIR eyes, how THEY visualize it.

The beauty of this forum as I always say is that it showcases a variety of viewpoints. Just as long as we keep it fair discussion and not try and bring other people's opinions down and try to change them to our own. That's why I'm not offended by your opposing opinion of POA and I know whatever I've said or am going to say is not gonna change that...and I'm not expecting that at all!! I'm not gonna even try. I hope you feel the same way too. We are all entitled to our own opinions. If we all agreed and had the same view of things, there wouldn't be room for discussion, it'd certainly be a boring place, and there definitely won't be a point in having this forum around!! So with that said, you've said your piece as I have mine, and I hope that we can shake hands on that. smile.gif
ashleigh07
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yes, isnt harry not allowed to use magic outside of school? what the **** is he doing lighting up his wand to see? i thought that part was pointless. i'm just saying that they could have left those un necessary scenes, and add some stuff from the book.


I am still unable to figure out why that was allowed because it is clear that Harry can't perform magic outside of school. My only guess is that he was practising spells as homework so that's why it was okay. As for the point of the scene, well in my opinion, it was there totally for cinematic purposes. It was put in because it looked good and it made it good opening. And I agree. I loved it!! It was an excellent opening sequence, I thought. Created a kinda suspense, especially those who had not read the book. They'd be wondering, hmm what's going to happen this time to Harry in his third year?

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i think they introduced the characters nicely though. i loved how lupin was introduced. 


Yes the new characters were definitely introduced well!! David Thewlis did an excellent job playing Lupin!! smile.gif

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but at the second half, everything was rushed. i cant really explain it, but it felt like the the movie ended too soon for me. i was like, "wow, it's over already? how can they put so much info in what feels like a short time?"


You just answered your question!! Out of the 3 books, POA was obviously the thickest with lots of details, subplots and new characters. It was a mighty task to fit and compress all that into 2.5 hours. And that considering, overall, I think Cuaron did a wonderful job!!

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eh, it's just what i think. =\

And that's perfectly fine!! This is a forum after all!!
ashleigh07
I just want to add that, bear in mind that all decisions of what goes into the HP movies, anything at all big or small, needs to get JKR's permission first. Therefore, EVERYTHING that we see in the HP movies have all had JKR's stamp of approval. So even with the changes Cuaron did in POA that certainly disrupted continuity from the first 2 was allowed by JKR.

In fact, she did say that POA is her favorite movie thus far...probably because Cuaron's vision of Hogwarts and everything was the closest to her vision?

Well, what's great in JKR's eyes is certainly good enough for me, I say!! wink.gif

So yeah, just something to ponder about for those of you who were disappointed by POA...JKR *does* have a say in the movies (the books are her babies, after all!!).
Albus Dumbledore
hmm.. now the quoting war contines...

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Albus, wow I loved how you "dissected" my post, and put your "counter-arguments" after...makes it so much more easier eh?!  Well I shall keep things organized and do the same too...


well really i just like quting people and im a neat freak so i like to make it look clean...

Thats all i got to say coz i think ashleigh07 and I have washed and left out to dry all of my critismism ( can't spell it) so thats it from me tongue.gif

ashleigh07 Thanx for the ongoing lets call it "opinion war" it was very fun and i congratulate you as being a great competetor...


lol i sound like full old....... and politicaly correct hahahah biggrin.gif have fun people


P.S i know that post i have just posted might sound a bit weird but well... i am weird. wink.gif
ashleigh07
"Opinion war" eh...cool!! I like the sound of that!! smile.gif

Haha well thank YOU Albus, you were an excellent competitor too!! Very challenging!! Cheers, mate!!

Don't worry, I'm 21 but I watch cartoons, own an army of soft toys and as you can see, am an overly-obsessed HP fanatic.

So you're not the only one that's weird. biggrin.gif
Wednesday_Adams
According to some "anonymous informant" I heard that they didn't explain more about the Marauders because the writer is saving it for this whole big thing in the fourth movie.

Plus, when you don't like the lines or the way the story went you can't really blame the director. You all know who writes the script and all. Just a side note.

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NastyShort
QUOTE (Wednesday_Adams @ Aug 9 2004, 06:45 AM)
According to some "anonymous informant" I heard that they didn't explain more about the Marauders because the writer is saving it for this whole big thing in the fourth movie.

Plus, when you don't like the lines or the way the story went you can't really blame the director. You all know who writes the script and all. Just a side note.

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Oh reaaaaallly? Does this "anonymous informant" often give you trustworthy news?

Wel, How would they do that anyway, because the fourth movie's going to have far too much information compacted into a short space of time.
Ginebra
JA JA JA I laugh of the people who speak bad of Alfonso, bacause they don't know about the good work. Alfonso is the BEST of HP directors, and PoA is MUCH MUCH MUCH BETTER than PS and CoS.
Alfonso is the best!!!!!!!!!!
I love the scenes of Ron and Hermione... and Cuarón has made it EXTRAORDINARILY!!!

Adoro a Alfonso Cuarón.

~ESPAÑOLA~
Wednesday_Adams
The "anonymous informant" was an interview with Cuaron or something... I tend to forget. But I know it's true! Believe me! I am so tired at the moment.
kreacher_the_house_elf
Yes the dissecting was very interesting reading and fully in the spirit of the forum.

Aaaannnddd the winner is!............


Well there isn't any winner. But you both put up an excellent fight so it is a draw!

My views

I like..

Lupin - David Thewlis he was excellent
Black - Gary Oldman he was crazy yet sensitive which made me think about Sirius in a completely different way!
The Castle - it's more dark, a little more edgy. It resembled Scotland a lot more - and so it should considering that is where it is set!
The Spirit - at the end of the day the books are about Harry and Voldemort and all the things that come in are subplots. Yes I know you will disagree and I expect you too. But I stand by everything that I say rolleyes.gif
ashleigh07
What Wednesday said, yeah I did hear about that somewhere too...can't remember where, though. One other thing I heard was that they did have the explanation of the Marauders but it just didn't make the final cut, so maybe, fingers crossed, we'll see it on the DVD among the additional scenes!! smile.gif

I'm glad we brought much interesting reading time for you, Kreacher!! And all I can say is, anytime mate, anytime. I'm pro-POA as all of you will know by now so I could talk on forever about the movie!!

I totally agree with your points, Thewlis and Oldman did an excellent job bringing Lupin and Black to life, definitely did the characters justice!!

Oh and Wednesday, I sooo agree!! In fact, it just occurred to me not too long ago, and I was laughing about it coz Cuaron's getting all the heat for not staying faithful to the book, when Kloves was actually the one that wrote the screenplay, so he had a part to play too!!

Well all I can say is, the important thing really should be that the movies stay true to the SPIRIT of the book, not so much the content but that the over/underlying theme(s) displayed in the movie, do justice to the book.

Things like where Hagrid's hut is situated is just so insignificant in comparison to the entirety of this world that JKR has created for us...and I'm sure she agrees, if not do you think she would have allowed them to change the location of Hagrid's hut if it were that important?? Remember, everything has to go through her first, so what we see on the screen has been approved by her. And if it's fine by the writer, it's totally fine with me!!
kreacher_the_house_elf
QUOTE (Albus Dumbledore @ Aug 7 2004, 12:16 AM)
WHATS WITH THE CLOCK TOWER???? AND HOW COME HARRY IS DOING MAGIC OUT OF SCHOOL!!! AND WHERE HAVE THE ROBES GONE !!! and hagrids house on a hill isnt it on a flat right next to the forbiddion forest even the feel to hogwarts was different i didnt like this 3rd movie at all i recon the first 2 were the best...

im not suppriesed but the 3rd one has made me not want to see any more HP films.

I did'nt mind the new dumbledore but the old one has more that feeling that would get your attetion straight away if you know what i mean... the new one needs to study dumbledore a bit more i think...

Ok I know thins post is sort of old but I thought awww what the hell just quote it!

Every director has his or her mark on the movie - for some directors this maybe a wide shot or some sort of filming technique and if all directors filmed and worked the same all the movies would be the same.

I have no idea why the robes changed but I like these ones better as they look more academic.

Alfonso Cuaron made Hogwarts more hilly so as to make it more set in Scotland which is where Hogwarts truly is.

Your opinion over liking the first two movies I can't criticise because this is a forum after all *nods sanctimoniously to ashleigh07* but I would like to add that I prefer the PoA as my favourite movie.

PoA not wanting to make you see anymore Hp films. well that is your opinion so again I can't really challenge it. I will say though that it is Mike Newell who is directing the GoF so that will be interesting and Hogwarts may change to your liking.

The new DD was an American. I am not criticising Americans as a matter of fact I have very good american friends. But Michael Gambon is American in a british scene so the accent was a bit of a let down.

the 'old Dumbledore' - who was Richard Harris died sometime before filming - It may have even been during filming. I'm not sure.

Richard Harris's death was a sad day for Harry Potter as we know it.

And I can assure you that his decision to play DD was a very strong and well thought out one.

The way he caught your attention was a little shaky as you know but I think he did his best and that is what matters.
Albus Dumbledore
QUOTE (Ginebra @ Aug 9 2004, 06:30 AM)
JA JA JA I laugh of the people who speak bad of Alfonso.

hmm.. well you do seem to have a weird laugh but maybe you may not be this smart to know it but we all have different opinoins so just imangin the amount of people who read your posts and laugh at you unsure.gif wink.gif

and im not really speaking bad of alfonso im just telling people my opinoins which is what people do in a forum thats why they made them and my opinoin is that i dont think he was right for the job "in my eyes" maybe not your but in myn he wasn't right for it....
Albus Dumbledore
QUOTE (kreacher_the_house_elf @ Aug 10 2004, 09:02 PM)
Alfonso Cuaron made Hogwarts more hilly so as to make it more set in Scotland which is where Hogwarts truly is.

Really where in the books does it say that?

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the 'old Dumbledore' - who was Richard Harris died sometime before filming - It may have even been during filming. I'm not sure.


hmm i heard about this and as you said it was a very sad day...

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And I can assure you that his decision to play DD was a very strong and well thought out one


Yes i heard that his granddaughter pressured him into it lol tongue.gif
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